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Are swingers moral? - Who determines what morals are? - There's so much to write here, so I think I'll just bring up two points. In my experience, someone who has realized Atheism through careful and philosophical thought, tend to be much more moral than theists. Furthermore, the bible has to be the worst script imaginable to derive ones moral bearings--especially the old testament. If taken literally, the bible has many examples where rape, genocide, incest, and much more are excusable under certain conditions.

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What is your fantasy for 2008? - Many have made resolutions for 2008, but some of us may have made a resolution to fullfill a fantasy. What's yours? - Happy New Year everyone! May 2008 be filled with fantasies fullfilled and desires satisfied. Ours would be to find a couple who have the desire to do an "actual" full swap. Me (male) with their fem for a night, day, or whatever of conversation, flirting, eye play, and erotic touching leading up to making passionate love to each other and the same for the other halves of both couples. It seems that most "open-minded" swingers are threatened by this idea. I know that some of you will say, " but we like watching each other." We do too, but think this experience would be hot. Anyone out there????

Why so much hate in the swingers world... - - WELL ,for me its the name you choosed,, ULUVBIGBLKDICK,, i have been with single men from here, and it's my first impression that i go with. I never like nicknames, to me it was something that just didn't fit right in my thinking. I'm sure i will get alot of lip for this as usual. But you wanted me to be honest so I am. The name you choosed is something i would find on a porno site, To me it's something that tells me something about your personality. I maybe wrong but that's the impression I get with your name. kristy

Vegas! - - [quote=titforatat]We went to Whispers in December. It was amazing. We thinks it’s the best swingers place in Vegas.[/quote] In our humble opinion, it is without question,the best swingers club in Vegas. Since we live in Vegas, we have had opportunities to check out a few.

Breaking the 4th wall - meeting a swinger in a vanilla situation. - Traveling to a party in Ogden, while gassing up at a truck stop, we ran into some casual friends of friends (Not Swingers) from our home town and it was a little odd trying to come up with a cover story on the spot, it was easier though because they were also flustered. So later that night at the meet n greet it was a good laugh about the truck stop. Sort of backwards from the original question but this might be a good time to mention that if you see Rachel at work it is totally not an appropriate time to mention that you think you've seen her pictures on the web. Bob

What about the lifestyle didn't meet your expectations? - Preconceptions and disappointment. - I'm home bored, so stop here if you don't want to read a bunch of shite. lol. I think we both entered the lifestyle with some preconceived notions of what the people in the LS would be like, but that was mostly from our limited experience with being vanilla and having LS peeps try to hit on us. It just seemed creepy, desperate and gross at the time. We assumed most of the players would be super aggressive, ready to fuck anyone and have zero interest in relationships outside of sex. Our initial entry was simply to watch and be watched. We quickly learned that there are just as many wonderful people in the LS as out of it. Maybe more. There will always be the outliers, the few percentage on each end of the spectrum that are more extreme, but that happens in any population. Overall, it was a happy surprise. So that would be a negative expectation that wasn't met. As far as things we were hoping would happen or expectation that weren't met, we have very few. But we also went into the labyrinth without really expecting or assuming anything. I don't think we were naive enough to think that this segment of the population was somehow immune from the social characteristics that reveal themselves in any other social class or group. You will always have the "cool kids" the "shy people" the "jocks" the "geeks" the people who classify themselves as the "pity party" and blame the world for their problems. Those things will exist anywhere and should. Swingers are a diverse group of people with a few, maybe very few, common goals. Those goals I think are to meet others with social deviancy and those interested in expanding their sexual experiences or simply to meet new friends. Swinging, in itself, doesn't solidify your beliefs in anything else (politics, food preferences, choice of travel location, or even how or what you are looking for as swingers). I think that is where expectations can fail. If a person goes into a situation thinking, "I/we think "x" so everyone else must think "x" as well", they are bound to be disappointed. I've said this a lot of times, the lifestyle is not black and white. Life isn't black and white. There will be frustrations around every turn if you allow yourself to be duped into thinking your way of thinking is more than just your viewpoint, that it is universal to everyone. I see people complaining of flakes, people who meet once then run away, etc. That's how they roll. That's their truth. It's what they are comfortable with or wanting and who am I to judge. That being said, I don't have to associate with them and hopefully learn how to avoid that situation or become more efficient at finding people with similar interests. The lifestyle is work. Sometimes a lot of work. I think it's foolish to think that it should be easy to find 4 people who all jive. Think about how many people you have dated before settling on the right one for you. And to assume that somehow changes in the lifestyle and that after chatting on kik for a few weeks then meeting over drinks will somehow magically connect you. Ugh. Sometimes it happens. Sometimes not. But I wouldn't expect it. For others, the thought of any connection past the one-nighter is absurd. Why would you want to make friends with your fuck-buddies? It may be too risky and cause too many emotions. Point is, we are all different and that is what makes the journey so beautiful. And, just a note about flakes, since it is a recurrent theme. Yes, maybe there are more flakes in the lifestyle, but I'm guessing it's specifically related to the nature of the LS. Swinging for some can be very intimidating and frightening. Sometimes the chase is much more fun than the fucking. Not excusing them that do flake, it seems a problem for sure, but I think I understand, at least in part, why it happens so much. There is so much social pressure not to be in the lifestyle and most were brought up without it being the normal way to live. So society is telling us we are wrong, gross, deviant, etc. Add to that the fear of actually getting naked and fucking someone else and it can cause a lot of anxiety in some. When we first started we were petrified to even go the parties thinking it was going to be a fuck/rape fest. lol. Turned out we were wrong but it was a learning process. Lastly, if you are already treading carefully and the couple/person you are supposed to be meeting gives off any bad vibes, maybe flaking is best. It's hard not to hurt someone's feelings and honesty isn't always what happens. I know we have been honest with couples and it turned into a shit-show. Why don't you like us? If you only meet us and give us a chance we can prove we are wonderful. Other's like us, why don't you. It's hard to be honest at times about why there isn't a connection. May flaking be a way to spare feelings? I don't know. There are probably a plethora (Hefe, do you know what a plethora is?)of reasons people flake and some of those my be that they are just douches. But likely there are other people that aren't and are just trying to get out of a situation they are unfamiliar with. Avoid the douches but maybe give those others a second chance. Evil: always good topics you bring to the table. So you think because people like sex they should be good at it? I know a lot of people who love food but suck at cooking. haha. Maybe having too many options on the table can also make people lazy. I don't have to try hard if I know tomorrow is another partner. To some it's the quantity and not the quality. But I can see why the expectation would be there. All in all we really have no complaints. It's been a fascination journey. Some ups, some downs, but always and adventure. We will keep our expectations low, both of ourselves and those around us. Less disappointment that way. I'm going back to sitting in my underwear, drinking a beer and watching TV. Zero expectations. haha. :) Mr. SRO

Swingers cars??? - What ya driving?? - [quote=BIG-DS-1]Now this is "SEXY" (for us old folk) very rare less then 3,000 made in 1956/1957 and were hand built. This one has only 29,000 mi.[/quote] Metropolitan looks cute - what's under the cover? Fins look like it could be a '59 Buick.

Swinger & 🦄 Bait - An experiment to attract swingers and unicorns. - [quote=MTNPLAY]I’ve been wearing the black ring for years all around the US and some foreign counties. Not a thing, no questions or looks.[/quote] I here ya, I've also been wearing a solid black ring (or as seen now a black w/ silver stripe) for a while and also never had any questions or looks. I believe the black ring is more of a mainstream thing nowadays.

Swingle males. What's in it for you? - - [quote=TATTOOED_HOTTIE][quote=EVILDOERS][quote=TATTOOED_HOTTIE]It's a totally different dynamic than hooking up with a single girl so to speak. That would be like asking why does a couple prefer to swing versus just have sex with each other. [/quote] Really? Well, cuz Ms. Evil and I have had sex like a bazillion times and it's fun to mix things up a little bit every once in a while. We probably fuck at LEAST 5 or 6 times a week. Let's see, carry the one, divide by the constant, account for wind velocity...hmmmm...yeah that's a LOT. Fwiw, I don't know very many couples who PREFER to swing versus...I've known a few. They're no longer couples. [em]Emo_67[/em] [/quote] [quote]Let me rephrase that since you're clearly not the brightest bulb on the tree. You swing correct? Why? You must be some sort of weirdo. Sex with the misses isn't good enough? Why isn't that sufficient?? You obviously don't prefer to have sex with just your other half or you wouldn't even be on here genius. Oh let's see carry the one blah blah blah lol. God. Ok. Got it now? Made simple enough for you boy wonder?? Personally I'm tired of seeing you act like an ass then apologize for it and pretend you're not one. Have the misses sit on that big mouth of yours please and save us all from your whining! [/quote] Y'know what, Tattoed Hottie? (Boy, that name says a lot about your opinion of yourself - damn near everyone is tattooed nowadays, but you're the one that's a hottie.) You're either dead stupid or just plain nasty. You apparently can't even recognize sarcasm and/or satire. And having been on the site over a year and a half, you don't even have the excuse of not knowing that Evil's something of the court jester around here. Personally, I suspect you're just using it as an excuse to be nasty. What's the matter? Got self esteem issues? Need to feel superior to someone? And as to your comments to Ten and Joe, yeah, Ten has a habit of being blunt and saying just what she thinks, but so what? She isn't entitled to her opinions? One of the main reasons I'm in this lifestyle, and was decades ago as a single, when it was damned near impossible for a single to even be involved at all, is that I love the open mindedness and attitude of doing what they feel is right, instead of what someone else says is right, that true swingers have. One of which you're apparently not. You, I'd guess are a single guy who hunts here because he wants to be sure that any woman he hits on has at least said, by being here, that she acknowledges and enjoys her sexuality for itself. After all, any girl in the vanilla world you try to pick up might be hung up on that old "sex only with my serious partner" thing, whether that involves actual marriage or not, and that probably scares the Hell out of you. Of course, that's just a guess, but, whatever your problem, it's apparent that you just plain enjoy denigrating other people. If you don't like what someone wrote, unless it's directed at you personally (and this most certainly IS), you have no business, and no right, criticizing the writer. You can criticize what he or she says, but not the person who said it. Unless you see someone else jumping into someone else's personal shit, than criticize that person all you want, like I'm doing you right now. And feel free to criticize me all you want. In the first place, from now on as soon as I see your name on a post, any post, I'm skipping it because jerks like you aggravate the Hell out of me, so I'll never see it. And secondly, feel free to call me stupid whenever you like. Not only will i never see it but, something I don't usually see any reason to ever mention to anyone, but in your case it seems necessary, I'm a member of MENSA. Or was, until I fonally decided it was kind of silly and not worth the dues. Which, since you're probably too ignorant to know, means that I have an IQ that's been certified as high enough to be higher than 98% of the entire human race. So know I that there's, at best, a 2% chance that I'm not smarter than a nasty idiot like you. And by the way, you sent us an email, to my wife. Now, I never presume to tell her who to or not to play with, but she's read your crap here, and has the same opinion of you that I do. So don't hold your breath waiting for a response. Or maybe you should. Asphyxiation is probably as good a way as any to get rid of an asshole like you. My apologies for any typos. I don't have time to proofread it, I'll do it later, right now I need to go wash the taste of your bullshit out of my mouth ~ Terry