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This one time at Swingers Camp - Discussion about N by N camp out - again,you did a fantastic job setting this up. to bad i's only once a year. already looking forward to next year. thanks for a great weekend jim/jan

Single Males ~VS~ Single Females - Whats the difference? - OK... How many times do we have to beat the proverbial dead horse? NOTHING in this thread is new, aside from one guy getting letters from Honduras or some other odd shit. The reality of it is this: Single Men tend to be pushy, arrogant, looking to "fuck your wife like you wish you could," and other various piggish things, HOWEVER, there are those, T4REAL is among them, that are swingers...The problem is that there are MANY of the former, and FEW of the later. Between the insecurity, the preferences, and the assholes, it makes for an uphill climb for a single male. The best advice I can give single males is this: DO NOT FEED THE STEREOTYPE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! If the profile says, NO SINGLE MALES...don't write...you are NOT special...If they respond negatively, do NOT write back and ask why or make a snide remark....Just let it go... IF you are reading a profile and it says, "WE WILL CONTACT YOU" let them contact you...Come on...The profile says that for a reason... Now...On to the clubs...Someone stated that they paid $70 to get into a club, but got laid with dinner and all for less...Sorry, but that sounds like prostitution...NOTwhat the lifestyle is about...Why do they charge more for single men? because the single man will pay it...They do not run a club as a "Lets get single men layed charity" it is a business...the sole purpose of a business is to make money...That whole discussion is the EXACT reason so many couples say NO SINGLE MEN...What a prick...If I were you, I would delete that piece...You will NEVER get laid with that type of shit floating around here... Another reason single men are so frowned upon, how many times have you seen a profile with nothing but a dick picture? OK>.....You ARE a male, we must assume you have one...Why not put something else on? If you read profiles, MOST say, "WE DO NOT NEED A COCK SHOT" only a few want to make sure the goods are good...so why would you post nothign but a cock shot? Then there is the angry inch guys...They have a turtle head and wanna advertise it...What the fuck is that? If you have a small dick, you can make up for it with personality and skill, HOWEVER, if you advertise it...No one will give you the chance... OK...I think I am done with my rant...At least for now...

LDS Swingers Survey - Will any former/active LDS swingers take my survey? - I would be really interested in the answers from current, active, attending, members. I can imagine that once you've recognized the need to break your relationship with the church its a lot easier to swing. Those that still embrace the gospel, attend meetings, hold positions, etc., and want to be in the lifestyle as well would have to have a tough time resolving those conflicts, I would think.

Combining Lifestyle & Non-Lifestyle Friends - - We have both Swinger and non-swinger friends. We have found a few "swinger" friends that we would be "friends" with if we were not in the lifestyle. We have tried to invite these friends to parties that we have SPECIFICALLY specified as "VANILLA". Almost every time we have had our "swinger" friends cross boundaries which makes our "non-swinger" friends (who have non idea about our "lifestyle") go "WTF?!?!?!?!?!?". It has happened numerous times so it's no one in particular. Has ANYONE has success in blending swingers into their vanilla lifestyle? Just askin......

How do we find a female for a threesome? - - Okay, okay, okay... The moment couples stop calling them "unicorns" and think of them as "ellusive" they will start popping up. Here's my hint: A SINGLE FEMALE SEEKING COUPLES DOES NOT HAVE A NEED TO BE ON A SWINGERS DATING SITE NOR AT A SWINGERS CLUB!! Use other alternatives, be creative, they are out there, many of them, they are not easy to find but I'll say they are not as impossible as most couples think they are. Most of you are looking in the wrong place. The good thing about finding a single girl is that there is a big chance she will become a steady girlfriend. Don't you cute couples think cute girls find you both attractive, interesting, sexy? They do! There are single girls everyday looking at you both at the mall and saying to themselves: "I'll eat them both!" Our experiences: we had play with single females often, not as much as couples. We also had 2 steady girfriends relationships lasting 1-2 yrs (we've been LS for 20 yrs) Hint requests to my inbox.

Where are all the MEN - looking for men that arent afraid of furthering the aspect of sex - I am very sorry to offend all the homophobics out there especially you fun4u. I myself did not mean to generalize anyone or any group. (actually I think the guy that made the comment \"all true swingers are bi\" was flirting with me) Everyone and their experiences are different and that diversity is what makes it all the more entertaining. I do understand that pressure for anything is not fair nor acceptable. I am not forcing anyone to conform to my ideals I will defend mine however. As a person who has expanded upon experience and I am just looking for people who are equipped and capable of looking outside the box. A bad experience in any way will leave a bad taste in ones memory. Just Like a person who does not take the time for foreplay...how boring. Or does not take their time to please the partner they are with. 35 seconds and dressed again DOES become more challenging with multiple people. I myself do not wish to be fit into such a limited confine of existance I understand that many a person has had a bad experiences anal or otherwise. This, you could mostly blame on the one giving it. And that some are not interested in trying in the first place. I mean why would you try something like even having sex in the first place. Its vile and disgusting in nature. But we do it for pleasure, which had better be why you are here. But some of you have taken such offense to a topic that I assure you, has to do with pleasure. I have had more negative responses than I would have ever imagined from a group of people that are known for enjoying things that \"some\" people would take great offense to or even consider immoral. And to those of you who like to fall back on a prostate exam. The doc isnt wanting you to \"GET OFF\" in his examination room. He would have to charge more. And I think it would void your insurance coverage. Just like the nice cold speculum that women just LOVE to have their gynocologist shove in their crotch and stretch them open, but they still let us put stuff up there. So there IS a difference between an exam out of necessity and an act done for pleasure. Thank you for all your comments Lee

Young swingers party - sold out, who still wants to party ? - wife is 36f, I'm 48m We didn't get tickets Cus I'm over 45 but no biggie. Since most big parties you pay $50.00 to get in, Spend another $50.00 on drinks and snacks, you talk to people and still don't get laid.

This lifestyle - What are we really? - Posted By: JSTLKN07 Reply posted on: Jan 22, 2008 - 12:25 pm We like to think that we're doing what makes both of us happy. If that makes us swingers or polyamorous, or whatever, then that's cool with us. Our label we give ourselves isn't important, nor do we care about it. We beg to differ. That label is important from certain standpoints. Now, if you meet us and tell us you are a poly couple seeking a poly relationship, we can tell you it won't go far since that is not what we want. That way, you know it isn't going anywhere fast and so do we. No need to drag it out for a while and then "I thought you...." or "I got the impression.....". If I am looking for a certain type of relationship, isn't it better to know up front and not waste anybody's time and get hurt feelings?

couples with kids - - We have 4 kids, 3 of which are under 3 years old. An 8 year old girl, 2 year old twin girls, and a one year old boy, so we totally understand the frustration that comes along with being loving parents and active swingers. To two worlds aren't always compatable. We have tried in vain to find a good sitter for all the kids, so most of the time we end up swinging when our oldest is off at a sleepover with a friend and the other babies are in bed. Today for instance, my wife and I had our girlfriend over for fun till 5:30 this morning and the kids got up an hour later!lol. So I am up with them taking care of the kids while the women sleep it off. Hard, but a small price to pay for a hot 3-some! Anyhow, as most swinging parents know....get it when you can, and if not....NO BIG DEAL. The kids needs come first. It's only sex after all. Just would like to say thanks to all the hot couples in Utah that have invited us to house parties etc. Some day we will get a sitter and get out of the house! I promise! ~A & J~

If only you could tell in public who is and isnt in the LS - - [quote=fourplay][quote=DARINTRICIA]There are phone apps that can show when others are nearby. I use one for hunting with the people I hunt with. So someone just needs to develop an app.[/quote] Super good idea![/quote] Several apps like that HAVE been developed. One was actually offered to members of another swing site we're on. It failed miserably because people wouldn't, for various reasons, use it. We never used it personally. Some people apparently thought the potential for being outed as swingers was too great to risk using it. Another app was written by a friend of ours and it supposedly had some safeguards in it that he had designed but Apple wouldn't allow it in their app store...I guess because it's purpose was to help people swap spouses. \_(ツ)_/¯