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What is it to being a swinger couple - Is it always this way - From an outsider's perspective, this is one of the most obvious cons to me about being married swingers; you still have to deal w/ the annoyances of dating. Like Harry says in 'When Harry Met Sally', "I got married so I didn't have to date anymore!" You're happy to get laid, but it wasn't only about getting laid; it was about connecting to other people and for whatever reason they didn't want to maintain the connection. I think that's why there are so many small group outings posted about on here; those couples have found they're happiest when they develop a like-minded connection and hope sex will be another activity they partake w/ those to whom they're connected. Of course, I could be totally wrong and there will be no shortage of married swingers who tell me so along in a few minutes.

swingers helper... - I know some of us need this every now and again... - OMG FUNNY!!!!!!!!!!! BTW A car battery charger works great too...........lol (So i hear) :z

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T4REAL69 & Crew,

It's a preference thing. You're in this to have fun, not do things that you don't like or disagree with. If you are upfront and honest with eachother in the beginning, you should be able to decide what works for you. I see that no one mentioned that some women are not in it for the "another man" experience. We have to remember that not all of us are in this for the same thing. If a guy gets excited about seeing his wife with another female and not another male, there is nothing worng with that. We all know what we like and don't like. However, if he's not going to be cool with MFM, then he should be ok with there not being any FMF, if the woman decides that the fairest route would be MFMF. We have decided that the latter works best for us. I have no particular interest in watching my wife with another guy while I pull my pud. She's not into the DP or having two guys at once, so that leave us with couples. There is no insecurity, because my wife is with another guy with a couple. It's more about equality and fairness. Couples that play together stay together. By that, when you make your decisions on what make you happy, make sure you are both happy with them.

-Don- P.S. BTW, I have a really good topic in the free thinkers forum that I would like the LDS Swingers members of the group to shed some light on. Hell any member for that matter. Just click the link at the bottom of this post. _{Proud member of "Free Thinkers"}

Why so much hate in the swingers world... - - I take none of this seriously man. This is just a means for me to express myself at the time I happen to be writing. -D-

Swingers cars??? - What ya driving?? - Our New baby...

KUTV News Story on Swingers - News - [quote=NEWCOUPLE4FUN]So, Heidi has been stalking this thread... Sweet, please friend us :) We can share stories about how your other "news" friends chose to partake, but not publicize. Your story portrayed a woman forced into the lifestyle. Anyone forced should get out immediately. That is just wrong. The woman "shown" was not a willing participant and was being abused. It's sad that this was not the focus. Abuse in any form is wrong. She could have just as easily been sold on craigslist to spice it up. This was a very poor excuse for journalism. Good luck with your next "story." I'm sure this site thanks you for the free publicity though. Bring in the new recruits, as long as they are adults and making their own decisions...[/quote] There's little journalism here in Utah; it's about driving views whose numbers can be used for ad revenue. Titillation drives views. The curiosity gap ("You won't believe what happens next!") drives views. Informing is never considered necessary, only attracting views and/or clicks. There are hungry children in every county of this state but a salacious and sexxxay story is what they choose to put on the news? Useless entertainment masquerading as a higher purpose.

Would You Tap That? - - [img]http://i.ytimg.com/vi/mkUoJPh_y3M/maxresdefault.jpg[/img] 1) All day long and twice on Sunday. 2) Meh, I've seen better...Deanie Wimmer is a total NILF (newscaster I'd like to fuck). 3) I would SO tap that. And I'd make her bark like a dog (best Bill Murray [Carl Spackler] voice). 4) You are rude, Evil. Heidi is just doing her job. Swingers ARE kinda disgusting ya know. 5) No but I'd do that guy...or maybe have a threeway with them. 6) She makes me want to go on a crime spree so she can track me down and "interview" me. 7) I wanna see her nude mud wrestle Shauna Lake! 8) No, but Hope Woodside gives me...wood! 9) Kerri Cronk turns MY crank! 10) We're meeting Heidi and her hubby for drinks at Habits tonight. 11) Don't know about Heidi but I wanna make Kevin Eubank my little sissy bitch! Btw, in case you can't tell, in the above pic Mark Koelbel is under the desk givin' Heidi an anal 'oil check' with his middle finger. She's shocked and surprised because usually Rod Decker does that. [em]Emo_96[/em]

Same Sex Marriage - If you support - Well to make clear this is the MRS part of Stitchutah, I can't speak for him. As for me, I have to admit there are some of you whom posted that make some good points, and then there are some that make no sense to the forum at all. LOL! I really like some of your opinions and you make good points, such as Kinbaku, Thoughtgarden, and to some extent REally98. I have to say though that even though I have read every post to this topic I really don't know where I stand on this issue of same sex marriage. I have to be honest and say, I am torn. Some of you can respect that and others will bash it, but either way.....its just honesty. I really like Kinbaku's point about who are we as swingers to judge a non traditional marriage when none of us married couples that swing and have open marriages can be considered "traditional" to the rest of the world. Infact, there are a lot of those outside of swingworld that place high judgement on our choice of lifestyle just as they do same sex marriages. ONe of you commented on (I can't remember who, maybe it was TR) or rather, asked how those that didn't agree with same sex marriages would feel if they couldn't be married to their spouse legally (excuse me if I got that question wrong, I believe that is how it was put) and I have to say to that.....being on both sides of the fence here, that if I couldn't be married to Mr Stitch, whom I love and cherish and will love and cherish for my entire life (just as I am sure a gay couple feels for their life partner) marriage to him does not change my feelings for him. I would still be with him, I would still love him just the same, my life wouldn't change as far as how I live or feel. I would still have my children and so forth. The only things it would change (which, mind you, are huge and helpful in our marriage) is our legal rights such as tax benefits, insurance (we don't have anyhow, but at least we have the option), and other things that I am not fully aware of I even have rights to. I am sure I take those rights for granited as I am sure other married couples do as well. I don't argue that point, at all. However, isn't there, and tell me if I am wrong, ways around some of those legal issues some of you have brought up (medical rights, when decision can't be made by person) by putting in a living will whom you've appointed power of attorney too? If same sex couples can't legally be married by laws set forth by the government then they just need to take extra precautions to protect what they can. They need to be proactive by doing whatever they can to protect their union. Yes, there are some things they won't be able to do anything about unless the law is changed, but there are some thing they can do, and they should do. Like I said, I still don't know what side of the fence I fall on.....I don't entirely agree with same sex marriage, however, I don't entirely disagree with it either. It to me is a complicated issue, and its very possible that I complicate it myself. Where I agree with REALLY98 ( I believe is their names) is where they state....where do you draw the line? The government has a hand in almost everything we do, including marriage, and there isn't anything we can really do to change that. I tend to agree with the statement that somewhere down the road if we move that line and say...Okay, same sex marriage is legal, then some ppl may argue well, okay, same sex marriage is okay so now, me and my spouse want to be married to our girlfriend/boyfriend or hell the couple we swing with,...... now why can't we do that, marriage isn't defined anymore as just man and women, so why isn't my rights to legalize poly okay? Some may argue, that it would never happen, but I am posistive that if you ask older ppl in the community that if they thought they'd ever see same sex marriage being brought up I am sure they would say HELL NO, we thought we'd never see that day, and yet, here it is! I just thought that was a good point that Really98 made.....now, the whole marrying an animal thing, ugggh, I really hope that day never comes, but then again, you never know what some ppl might do. (GRIN). I, for one, never will judge a same sex couple....nor do I want to EVER seem as though I am judging them. I guess I really don't think there is anything wrong with same sex marriage, truthfully. The conclusion I have made for myself is....I will live my life with my family and do what I can to raise my children to be tolerate, loving, and non judgemental. We try everyday to raise them to make their own decisions based on how THEY feel about things, not what others think (and if you don't think that isn't a task, it certainly is!!!) I think this world is getting to be more and more complicated, and it will only get worse b4 it gets better (no, I am not a dooms day person) and all we can do as parents and as a family is protect whom we love the most that being, eachother, and our children. Thats all, I am sure, everyone wants to do here whether same sex or "traditional" (however you define that) so I suppose we are really have the same agenda in mind, right?

Combining Lifestyle & Non-Lifestyle Friends - - This seems a bit more "adventurous" than I would likely try. There are just such different standards ... comparing swingers and vanilla friends. Recipe for possible embarrassment, trouble ... or whatever, if you ask me.

Swinger Literature? - magazine articles, books, web articles... - As EdNBrenda said a very good book would be "The Lifestyle." It is a little bit dated but the book is research based and has a lot of interesting information from history to demographics. It is not a book to grab for raw excitement but a very good book for intellectual discussion. What makes it unique is the book seems very objective and was written by a non swinger doing his research as an observer of the lifestyle. For a bit more fun read Dave Barry's article on Swing Conventions - here is a bit of it (email me for all of it). "You don't think of swingers as being the type of people who hold conventions. By ''swingers,'' I mean couples who swing with other couples. By ''swing,'' I mean, ``you know exactly what I mean.''ut my point is that you (and by ''you,'' I mean ''I'') don't think of swingers as being big conventiongoers. You think of them as hanging out at private parties, or exclusive swinger nightclubs, or secluded motels, or the Clinton White House. You don't picture swingers walking around large convention hotels wearing name badges and attending seminars, like executives in the forklift industry." "Attire aside, most of the swingers seemed to be regular people. In fact, according to a story about the convention in The Herald, the two most-common professions for swingers are police officer and teacher. This stunned me, especially the teachers. I mean, remember when you were a kid, and you were shocked whenever you saw a teacher at, say, the supermarket, because you didn't think of teachers as having any existence outside of school, or even necessarily as being food-eating life forms? Well, imagine if you encountered your trigonometry teacher wearing a garment that left absolutely nothing to the imagination regarding the cosine OR the hypotenuse." "I think that, as parents, we should be concerned about the fact this type of individual is being employed in our schools. Maybe we should notify the police." "No, wait."