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A paradigm shift - polyamory - Your thoughts? Here are mine... - This is a big big topic... good one. It is true to say that an amazing thing about being human (thank any God figure you'de like :)) is that we have an INFINITE capacity to love. It is most obvious in women but exists in us all. I understand all of the comments about walking a path together, finding the one and only, etc and that is a great way to live but the fact is, we can love more than we do. We can choose to want to be with a certain person more than any other but we can love many. The easiest way to show this is that when a child is born they make the parents feel as if they could never love like they do this first beautiful child but when others come along what we experience is an expansion of our capacity to love. It is limitless. As mothers and parents can love many children so can we all love many others. We dont need to, some dont want to, but some feel it is a natural and Godly way to live. The biggest obstacle to it is jealousy or feelings of ownership which Swingers have largely learned are "lower thinking" attributes and, at least as far as the physical goes, they are beyond jealousy etc (of course I mean the healthy ones). Big Love is a real deal. It scares many people, even swingers but it is the next and logical progression in the more enlightened thinkers out there, which many swingers are. We swingers have at least tackled the threat that comes from "physical" sharing but many are scared to death to hear their loving sharing spouse express feelings of love for another man or woman. A great book on this topic is "The Future of Love" by Daphne Rose Kingma. It's excellent. Im sure this idea (polyamory) is not for everybody but it is natural and can be as rewarding and freeing as swinging is I'm told...(Jealousy, guilt and ownership are unnatural 'learned' behaviors). I already know I cant be 'everything' to my loving partner but am I strong enough to allow her "love" someong else? Oh wait... is that really my decision? Thats my 2 cents... Dave

Looking for an attorney in the lifestyle - Question - I don't honestly think you would need an attorney. Most swingers clubs opperate as just a house that holds parties. Unless you are serving alcohol you shouldn't need license of any kind. at the door, you have donations, not entry fees. The only place i know that did have an operating license was in San Diego, THAD's. The owner had to file suite against the city and county to get the councilman and law enforcement to stop harrasing him. The city finaly gave him a license as a "Sexual Encounters Club" but not allowed to serve alcohol. Anyone that brought alcohol had to put it in a fridge and could take out their own alcohol anytime they wanted, but the helpers couldn't serve the alcohol.

Looking to establish a group of safe swingers - - Sounds great would be interested

Female sex fantasies. - What do women really think about sex? - [quote=EVILDOERS] We may have to agree to disagree here. We've been in the lifestyle for almost 3 decades and have talked to countless people (yes, many of them even women-haha) who have talked openly about the fantasies they have and have had and sometimes, sadly, how often those fantasies were stifled to some degree or another by societal expectations and repression as well as suppressed by how they were raised by their parents (especially their mothers..."Good girls don't do/say/think things like that."). [/quote] This is just anecdotal and you are failing to realize that you are talking to them in a LS scenario where everyone wants to be the super open and cool movie star-like swingers. Same reason all SM's in the LS are respectful, kind and the Good Lord's gift to couples seeking MFM or even the ones that are not. We all play The Imitation Game. They will talk to you openly, honestly, will tell you how much they enjoy it, how healthy for their relationship is. It almost becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy. But, unless you were raised in a far away land where the LS was a norm and that we all know it has never existed, these confessions are an integral part of the illusion. And, if you take all that at face value, you are lying to yourself and even worst, believing it. [quote=EVILDOERS] It seems more than just a little condescending and even a little bit misogynistic.[/quote] I've been called worst lol. It's just biology, we think we are this almighty superior species, key to the universe, chosen to be sovereigns of all when all we are is just mammals with an unusually large brain victims of our own imagination and gullibility for the most part. And yes, imagination is sometimes good, that's how we got to the moon. But that's also why when you go to an Indian casino, you only see pictures last dozen big winners from last year but you don't see the thousands of losers of this week. Most of us are trapped in a dream and think we can make our own reality. "What has been will be again, what has been done will be done again; there is nothing new under the sun." -Ecclesiastes 1:9

Looking to establish a group of safe swingers - - We are very interested in being a part of this group, Please hit us up!! We are Travis and Char

Appropriate Parameters of Sexual Conduct in Modern Society - Should sex still have a unique status or just be another hobby? - Beard, You did open something up but I'm not sure what. I had to copy and paste your original here so I didn't miss or get too confused.. One of your last points first: Moral refers to standards as defined by the church, the government or your neighbors(in light of the Supreme Court decission a few years ago about porn) Ethics, on the other hand are something that we define for ourselves based on our upbringing/environment and values that we have defined based on whatever we base them on. You are right that marriage is a concept designed by religion and the government for the care of offspring and the clear definition of linage for property rights. You use the term marriage, which is a legal term like it is a moral imperative then ask if it should be based on some one or group of common interrests. Then the next breath you suggest that marriage is supposed to be more than any of that and something to do with sharing and intimacy. Finally you go back to somehow trying to make a point, (I'm not sure what that point was) that maybe there should be a conglomerate of reasons for marriage then with the nesxt breath you ask if sex should be forbidden.. Now lets see if this makes any sense to anyone. I'm poly and We swing. I have a lover who is married and her husband knows or us(he is not poly) and B knows of us and we are all good friends. We are, my lover and I, intimate both emotionally and sexually and both non poly mates knowof this. B and I are very much soulmates but then my lover is also very close to that as well. I do not wish to take her away from her husband and I do not wish to replace B. She does not want to replace her husband with me and we are alll OK with that arrangement. In my heart of heart I am married to both in a very intimate way although I do not wish to procreate with anyone anymore. She feels the same way toward me. I would submit that marriage is an intimate, emotional and sometimes physical union of people.. I did not say two people I said people. We have been taught sex as a negative thing and relationships with more than one as a negative thing because we cannot love more than one person or more than one at any one time... I submit that we can love more than one and that the more we love the more we get back from that... Swinging is started off as fun between close friends and sometimes the term wife swapping became a reality.... Sex is fun adn swinging is about sex and today alot of times about relationships. Relationships in my opinion are for the benefit of everyone involved... . So I'm not sure if I understood where you were going but this is my take on the propositions as I understood them. Depending on any person's opinion or preferences sex and love can be the same or they can be separate or they can be coincidental but it's basically up to that person or couple to make that determination.... We, in the lifestyle, may ultimately be right and marriage may change to a more contractual thing rather than some sacrosanct BS that it has become.... Swingers as a group have more than 3.4 time greater chance of remaining married than that of non swingers. The range of failed marriages is between 66 and 77% in all first and second marriages and some 70% of all married people cheat on their mates. Swinger have a better than 85% chance of marriage survival. Cheating is not exempt in Swinging but I think is is greatly reduced... I think as swingers we have sex with friends and it can be just that or it can be more... at least for me..

Seeking mormon swingers - - "Your comments are ignorant." To try and say that nicely...You sound like an awesome fun couple that I'd love to get to know, and I REALLY hope you have a great time in Salt Lake City! Maybe we'll even get a chance to meet. I'm Mormon, and have lived in many different areas of the world and work in a very culturally diverse career, and I just have to say, "Your Mormon experiences, as you described them, are not the norm." The folks here are really very much like everyone everywhere else. I wish the comments here on this site were less harsh at times.

Girls that are into DP - How common is this activity among the swingers? - [quote=UTCPL][quote=UTBIPLAYMATE]We would love to try both DP and DVP. It's one of my favorite fantasies!! ;)[/quote] We've done dvp a few times & love it. Never dp though. [/quote] Would love to help you out with that

BUSTED! Your Kids Found Out Your Swingers. Now What? - - ok, if i wanted you to know more about me i would put my pic. on the site and tell you more about me ....i don't....!!! as for children that found out about your lifestyle and successfully continued life as normal good for you , you had good luck...as for my job and spelling i bet you a d.p. fuck that obama knows less spelling then i do ... .lol. as how do i know what i say "I successfully striped parents from the right to live with their children and placed them in foster home care , got it?????? "

This one time at Swingers Camp - Discussion about N by N camp out - Like every year they did a class top notch job. Thanks Sue Dre and Lang and all the other people that pulled together and made this a great campout. We will be there again next year for sure. Hope all the new people we met stays in touch and all the old friends do too. Thanks again everyone. Dave and Jackie