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YOLO Cruise April 26 2009 - swingers cruise - Any other cpls going on the cruise from Jax, orlando area and Tampa?

Looking to establish a group of safe swingers - - If my profile interests you, I am in

Professionals - - That's just it Chibones: no we are NOT all looking for the same thing out of the lifestyle. People are as diverse as the imagination...and then some. And we have learned that in the lifestyle there are a myriad of things people want and don't want. No two couples are exactly the same and many are polar opposites. Some people do not want to limit the possibilities or their options. But MANY do want to limit them. Some...like yourselves...say almost nothing of substance about yourselves in their profiles. Others write auto-biographies. Some are looking for that one special couple or single. Some are looking to have sex with everything they get within arm's reach of. Some only want dark-haired ladies with large breasts. Others only want men over 50 years old and over 6' tall. Geographical and regional cultural differences play a strong role in how people craft profiles and conduct themselves in the lifestyle. In our town, you could not be a "professional" and be open about being a swinger. You would be harassed and heavily discriminated against in business. Preachers would tell their congregations not to patronize your business from the pulpit on Sunday mornings, and most of your customers would be church-goers who do what their pastors tell them. Your kids would be tormented in school. Interestingly, if you were an entertainer or a construction worker or truck driver, nobody would care. Your life would go on without incident. This isn't Safety Harbor, FL! (we used to live in St. Pete) The big fight right now in town is over the new Hilton hotel and whether or not they should be allowed to offer PPV adult movies in the hotel rooms. Also, we have a very large element of...how show we say...under-achieving whites...in the lifestyle in this region of the country. I would be willing to wager a month's pension check that you would not associate with them. By comparison, when we look at FL swinger profiles and talk to our FL swinger friends about it, we get the distinct impression that swinging is more of a middle class and upper class past-time down there. So, in a desire to both clue the right people in and not offend the rest, around here white collar couples tend to use the code-phrase, "We are a _________ professional couple who like to..." It's sort of a polite way of saying "No illiterate toothless hillbillies strung out on methamphetamines who cannot behave in public, please!" So, if "professional couple" offends your sensibilities, you should try walking in OUR shoes for awhile before judging us based on a phrase. Around here, a lawyer who is outed as a swinger would be in serious jeopardy of losing his bar certification. An elected official would be toast. A political appointee would be fired immediately. A real estate agent would see their business shrivel to nothing in weeks. A doctor would lose 3/4 of his patients within a month. And the funniest/saddest thing about it all is that we have one of the highest concentrations of swingers per capita in the US...3rd highest I believe. This is why PC thinking is so unwise. We judge others based on OUR realities and not usually on THEIRS. In a desire to encourage more "tolerance," we actually become intolerant of anything WE find the least bit offensive. Personally, I celebrate everyone's right to be offensive, wrong, and dumb. That doesn't mean I agree with them or enjoy their company, either. It just means I accept people for who they are and acknowledge their right to be who they want to be. It means I hold the individual's right to self-determination and freedom of expression above almost all other values. It means I am TOLERANT.

KUTV News Story on Swingers - News - [quote=DELICIOUSLYWET]Gasp! Tens of thousands of swingers here in Utah. I believe Utah now has a slightly higher-than-average divorce rate. The national divorce rate is 3.4% with Utah slightly higher at 3.6%. The percent of divorced residents in Utah is reported as 9.3% which is the 18th lowest in the nation. Don't ask me how those numbers reconcile. It has something to do with immigration into the state I am guessing. New Jersey reports that 8.5% of it's residents are divorced and that is the lowest in the nation. Well what do you think? Did more than 3.6% of all the swinger couples, that you have met end up getting a divorce? Was it over swinging? Are more than 9.3% of the swingers population divorced? This would include all the singles now swinging that were once married. One woman telling the media how swinging ended her marriage is anecdotal at best. Do I believe she is telling the truth? Yes I do. Do I personally believe swinging ads an extra element of jeopardy to a marriage? Yes I do. Do I believe there are quite a few people that would be happier staying away from the swinging lifestyle? Yes I do. Never-the-less, most of the couples, we have personally met, that are swingers seem to enjoy swinging and frankly enjoy doing it together. Do I believe there are quite a few couples who will enjoy swinging? Yes I do, we certainly have enjoyed the lifestyle experience as do a lot of swinging couples we have met. In the end if you are a married couple you have to make the decision based on the two of you, as to whether or not swinging is a good thing in your lives individually and as a couple. As for statistical models as to the divorce rate within the community of swingers well there aren't any. This isn't really a news story it's sensationalist journalism designed to attract viewers. Anyway, the divorce rate has been going down since the 1980s and swinging has been on the rise since the 1980s so you could make an analogy that swinging is saving marriage. Yes it would be a bunch of anecdotal bull shit just like this story. [/quote] Right. And swinging doesn't end a marriage anymore than cheating or lying or alcohol abuse or drugs, etc; people end marriages. Any relationship is an invention solely created by those people involved and only they have power over its progress forward. Will swinging or discussions about it lead to problems between people in relationships? Potentially. But any attempt by the anonymous lady in the story to blame swinging for anything is an attempt on her part to avoid accountability. You can't blame the alcohol itself for the drunk. PS, NJ may have a lower divorce rate b/c it's one of the few states that still grants annulment instead of divorce in certain cases.

Club CouplesOasis, Red Rooster or The Green Door.. anyone been - Just wondering who has been to a swing club in Vegas.. and how it was?? - We went to the Red Rooster once in Vegas.. wondering who else has been to a swingers club in Vegas, which ones, and how you liked them.... Thinking of going to CouplesOasis in Vegas, or one of the others in the near future and so we want to know your experiences and be able to get a feel for what one to choose next time... Red Rooster was ok... but we went mid-week and not many people were there... thanks M & D

Hall pass - - InvestigatingKink, it looks like we have been in the LS (lifestyle) about the same time, less than a year. Everyone has different needs and weaknesses in their marriage, and I certainly don't judge what other people do, at least not ethically. We were at a party just last night and talking to several couples who have been in the LS for a lot of years. We were discussing this very subject. They all had stories of people who started playing separately and most of those couples are now divorced. Their belief is that it is often very difficult on marriages and definitely not for the majority of swingers. Now all of you hall pass and open marriage people, don't get freaky on me. This is just speculation on my part and opinion of those I talk to. There are many I'm sure it works great for. I believe the LS can be seriously hard on your marriage if you are not in prime shape. We ourselves have had struggles just doing what we do (as I think everyone has had at some point) so to add more uncertainty to the situation would be tough. Also, to us (again, not judging) this is about a journey we are taking together. I like to watch her interact with people and be flirted with and she enjoys the same. If we were not together it feels as if we have moved on to something different. But we are probably rare. Our name alone, SameRoomOnly, should give you and idea of our ideals. I know this is going to sound crazy, but we aren't in the LS just to fuck a bunch of people. We truly enjoy the fun people, making friends and experiencing new things together. An analogy could be made to travel. We both love to travel. But if we started taking separate vacations all of the time, it wouldn't be as enjoyable. Hawaii is wonderful if I am there alone, but if she is with me, it makes the experience so much better. I want her to share in my experiences. Last thing is that we communicate together, almost always. It isn't that we are jealous of what a person says to either on of us, but we like to know what is being said, as a team. It keeps us honest and open and prevents us from having to recap any conversations. We trust each other completely, but we also realize that anyone can mess up and by putting yourself in a situation that could potentiate cheating or dishonesty doesn't seem wise to us. I'm sure some of you will want to interject and say "well, you two must not trust each other. We never worry about things like that. We love each other too much." Maybe so. But our opinion is that when you start to spend alone time with another person, talking freely about whatever the subject may be and are fucking that person, well...it seems dangerous. It's just like when I am at work. If a girl flirts with me or gets too close, I make sure to tell my wife and keep her updated and I also try to distance myself from that person. Not that I plan on cheating, but we are all human and have weaknesses. And by always being honest and open it helps to keep our marriage strong. So, maybe the truth is that we are just not secure enough in our relationship to do something like hall passes or an open marriage, or maybe the truth is that everyone who tries it will fail miserably and end up divorced. It probably is somewhere in the middle of that spectrum, as most things are. Few things are black or white. But we wouldn't entertain the idea of a consistent hall pass. Maybe once, or twice, just to experience it, but an ongoing thing, no way. Good luck with whatever you decide. Mr. SameRoomOnly

Keeping safe - Single females staying safe - [quote=EVILDOERS][quote=CHEFFETTE][quote=EVILDOERS]Hell, we've had guys write us and ask to meet them and their wives (without disclosing that we're swingers) and suggest that we get the wife really drunk and then have sex with them.[/quote]That is just plain awful. What a nightmarish scenario for everyone involved but the guy getting his rocks off watching his wife raped.[/quote] Didn't you hear? According to a legislator from Pleasant Grove it might not be rape if she's unconscious. [em]Emo_62[/em] [url=http://www.sltrib.com/news/2136918-155/utah-lawmaker-questions-whether-sex-with]Stupid Utah Lawmaker[/url][/quote] I didn't hear about that, probably b/c I was out buying a ticket to fly off this planet where I don't care to live w/ people like that pandering toolbag who's clearly never known someone close to him who's been sexually assaulted. There's no slippery slope here - if consent isn't enthusiastically given (context considered), there's no consent. ETA - [url=http://www.sltrib.com/news/2140556-155/utah-lawmaker-apologizes-after-comments-on]looks like he's been rapped on the knuckles well by others already.[/url] [img]http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/clubpenguinpookie/images/3/32/Grumpy_Cat_Good.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20140306235947[/img]

Hosting a swingers Party - - As far as I can tell by reading the questioners post, it doesn't seem like he's running a club, a business or a for profit gathering. It sounds like he's just looking to recover shared cost. If that's the case, he doesn't need a lic. & he doesn't need to ask for donations. He's simply renting a suite for a party, and he expects those that have agreed to come to pay their share of the costs. There is nothing illegal about that. And unless he's violating a condition of the room rental, he really shouldn't have anything to fear. If he IS looking for profit, he'll have a lot more to worry about than just the police showing up at his door. Joe

Free will versus playing fair. - - Criusers......... This is exactly why we don't really like the group things. Nobody knows what the boundaries are or if there are boundaries. There are lots of different scenarios as far as groups go. Sometimes it's anything goes. Sometimes it's anything goes with some couples but not others. Sometimes there are couples there who are not even swingers, and in most cases, you have to figure that out yourself..... ( that happened at our last party and she was the hottest woman there.) I don't know how long you have been doing this, but the lifestyle is a trip, huh? Never imagined it would be this difficult. But it's still loads of fun, both socially and sexually.

Guy and Gals - What do you think? - i like to get to know know people . so i always ask alot of questions about alot of stuff . and for the people that i would like to be playmates with . i like to watch them first do thier thing so i can see what all they are into and how they like it . everybody has a different style . and i love watching them and learning and also seeing if it turns me on . if it doesnt turn me on watching them then i wont play with them . and it gives u a chance to check them out . i know people laugh at me when i say this but i like to watch them play cause u can learn alot about them , as people aslo . some times u have never seen a person naked before . from our pics u can tell we both shave . i chatted with a couple for a while and then they wanted to meet us at the club so they sent some more pics to us . ... and i dont think the lady has ever shaved her private area . at all . i dont want to offend anyone by that comment . cause i dont care if u do or u dont as a person . but for my playmates . thats not something i want . and i think something like that they should be the ones to say something about it . but she didnt and i was honest with her . and told her that i would never want to play with her cause of that reason . but i would still love to be there friend if she wanted to . i guess she took what i said the wrong way . but that is totally different then us . and that matters to us . we shave all the time . so why would i want to play with someone that has never shaved . she had lots of black hair all in the front up and down and sideways . it look like bathing suit shorts . i think that she should have said something about that . to us . long before . idont like suprises . so i like to see people naked and watch them play first before i even think about really playing with them . i dont want to be caught in a room with someone and then change my mind for some reason and make them feel bad . cause something i might not like others would love . so i dont want to hurt anyones feelings . but something s bother me ...and iam not going to take one for the team or anything like that . so i think u should always be honest about yourself and what u need and want . and u should ask as many questions as u want or need to . one person said something like they talk to each other or watch the other couple to see what their mates want . thinking they are going to do everything the same . everybody is different . i love to be bitten but it is very hard to find someone to bit e me the way i like it . so if one person sees me getting bittten and then tries it i will tell him how i like it . and if that person can do it in a way that turns me on then ill ask for more . but if it isnt turning me on ill ask for them to do somethng else . when we get with out play mates it should be fun for all . and it s great to see when u really turn someone on .and everybody is getting into it really good . and we have been playing with a couple lately . where the lady makes us really weird faces . i have stop doing what i was doing to ask her if she was ok with what was going on . cause the looks are really weird . to my husband if that look was on my face it would mean get me the hell out of here . but she explain all is good and keep going . and i dont care how many times i have heard her saying iam ok .... the look always makes me aask . cause there might be one time that it isnt ok and i dont want to keep going . cause i always want to be invted back . i think it helps with stuff like this to get to know the people a bit before trying to play . i dont understand why swingers treat the life style sex different then dating . people are in a rush by what they see on the outside of the person before they know anything about them . and sometimes people have different ways that dont click with each other . and then they have regrets or hurt feelings or just a bad night with someone . i am sorry . i dont want to regret anything . and i try my damnest to find people that will make my night a blast and people that i can do that for them . i will always ask for what i need and how i need it . and ill always ask the other person what they are wanting and needing . but also go with the flow at the moment and kinda of use my own judgement on if i should ask for something s of just keep doing what iam doing .. its the quiet ones that worry me .... i have been told to shut up by others around . and i have also been told that i made and make the person feel special cause i let them know they can talk open with me and iam here to make them just as happy as they are trying to make me . have u ever tried to tell someone to stop doing something or change something and them not understand .one of my biggest problem is with the nipples . yes i like them to be bitten during sex when we are in the moment . but alot of guys bite them hard from the get go and then u can t start up the way u want . or when u are playing with someone and then they try for your ass without asking or u showing any signs that u want that . if i am light touching with a soft swap with someone i dont think they should go right for my ass .i tell people all the time get your finger out of my ass . maybe they were lost . maybe they were trying to move things along faster then what i wanted . hell i dont know what they were thinking but ill tell u this i put a stop to it from the get go . some took it in a bad way cause others have been in the room . and others have understood and made no big deal about it . but i think that is a thing that should be talked about first and not just thrown on someone like that in a group of people . but thats just me . and we all think and see things different .thats why people try to talk their way through things naughty dreams freaky kitty