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Other than the SLC spice party? - Who's not going? - We're not going I agree With D&T please Express your opinions it gives me something to read LOL Anyhow My Opinions,, Having never been to a spice party I cant Judge an actual spice party. I went to a party with the same crowd and felt like I was at a middle school dance where I just wanted to be a wallflower and pretend I wasnt there. Very Clicky, I am sure If I became a regular there and got to know some of the people I am sure that would change. But I dont want to. I will point out that I felt the same way at my first party from another group.. However in the crowd we prefer to hang around Its the same way (we're like Arent those the spice party people Ewwww !) Just kidding ! we dont really. However we dont go out of our way to go over and chat with these people either. We have met Robert and Jen, (got our VIP LOL) and M & M and well all the other couples everyone is picking on here and they all seem nice enough Are we a match as swingers and potential sex partners Nope leave it at that the reasons are obvious. I am way too much man for them to handle LOL... Happy new year to all our friends tip a few back for us We're homebound NYE this year Blew the wad on christmas.

Moving - - I am seriously thinking I should move to Utah. Without going into a long discriptive reason why. And if you have read some of my posts you'ld know why. Untop of the fact that Ytah seems to be full of swingers that are healthy. I can't seem to find work in my home area of PA. You would think that a 30 year old cook,with ServeSafe and Department of Agriculture, Bureau of Food Safety and Laboritory Services certifications. Would be able to find a job real easy. And I have seen people get promoted to resaurant management for a lot less. In fact I worked at a Chi-Chi's a couple years back. And was asked to train for management by the district and regional managers. While I was training one of the pot head cooks got his waitress girl friend pregnant. They promoted him as soon as they found out. Maybe, I'm not getting the jobs I want because I'm open about swinging. Add to that I am 30 years old and single. Maybe I'm single cause I'm open about swinging. Eitherway I am in a bad situation and it needs to change. Pretty soon the bank is going to reposess my truck. And that will leave me screwed.

Moving - - Justin- You might want to look deeper into what Utah is all about before you dive in. Just because you can see a few hundred swingers that appear to be cool, doesn't mean that the other 2.2 million Utahns are so accepting and fun. Living in Utah has some very good benefits (aside from the abundance of swingers)- these include the mountains, the desert, the skiing/snowboarding, hiking, biking, boating, camping, etc. pretty much whatever you want to do here, it is available. We have four distinct seasons, which are nice, if you like hotter than hell summers and super cold winters. The negative side to living in Utah is a little more hidden, and harder to explain. Simply put, if you don't fit in to the predominant culture (conservative, religious, Caucasian) you might not be happy here. Not that there aren't liberal, non-religious, non-white people here, but many locals look down on anyone who is 'different.' Also with one of the lowest unemployment rates in the country, and with less jobs available than most places, it might be difficult to find work in Utah. I hope I haven't pissed anyone off with my reply... Just trying to give Justin (and everyone else) a little bit of insight on what Utah is about Mr U

Swingers Next Door! - ABC news story on Swinging! - There is a REAL reality show about swingers! Or as close as you can get. Completely unscripted, completely real! They only ask to restart a scene if they missed audio or need additional video (they are trying to tell a story, so it only makes sense that they do this)... The show represents the lifestyle in a sexy and accurate way. We've participated in the show two different seasons (on 5 episodes total) and will continue to do so as long as they let us. They do it with integrity and we are both incredibly proud to say that we are a part of such a great show. It's on Playboy TV, it's called SWING! Nothing like the drama filled, scripted, and utterly unrealistic show on A&E. We highly recommend checking it out! We're going to try and have a party as each episode releases for the upcoming season with our lifestyle friends (everyone should!). Oh, and the other bonus, it's on Playboy TV, so there's plenty of nudity and sex!!!!! Need I say more?

Swingers cars??? - What ya driving?? - We have a 1999 Chrysler LHS, A 2001 Ford Focus and our newest edition. A newer classic car and its a 1989 Toyota MR2 Phoenix. Bought it in almost perfect condition. We just started restoring it a bit though most of it is original to the car. We have put some fun details to it indeed. Would love to talk about cars with some fun groups and go on some fun drives in my sweet MR2....Anyone wanna race?!?! (=

Observations from the other side of the room - Some unsolicited advice - [quote=EVILDOERS]All good advice. You should give seminars to the GAZILLIONS of single males who think female swingers are nymphomaniac, wanton sluts who will fuck anyone, any time, anywhere and that their husbands/partners are pathetic, impotent cucks who don't know how to please their partners and need a "real" man to satisfy their wives/girlfriends. You could make BANK teaching the utterly clueless how to act like a gentleman and do a service to the lifestyle by helping to weed out the twatwaffles who have no business even ATTEMPTING to enter a lifestyle they know nothing about and should leave immediately![/quote] That's a really good idea! I am no authority but I agree that Utah guys have a bad reputation. I have heard similar stories from friends on vanilla dating sites where the guy just wants a one night stand. I am glad that my post was read and responded to. I agree that my comments are common sense as well. Unfortunately, common sense isn't all that common. Any suggestions on what to name my seminar?

Game ON....which sign is Hornier...(is that a word?) - zodiac signs of swingers? - Astrology is all fun though I would never base a life decission on it but...From what I've seen in the lifestyle and pervin thousands of profiles, is all signs are represented but overwhelmingly noticed that the great majority are Cancers, Gemini's, scorpios, and pisces. the scorpios being the more outwardly sexual and the pisces being the ones who you 'd never know the fires inside till play time..lol Scorpios being least represented and cancers seemed to be the most prevailant.

Question for women - Bi sex - no offense meant but i have to agree with flcpl you have been on here going on 5 years and it just now comes up tp play even just limited with another man.as far as another woman i would discuss it with her and find out if she would actually go through with it befor pursueing it not fair to other woman if your wife backs out.if she would then go on vacation some where near some swingers clubs and inadvertantly go to one.while there you can discuss it again and let her know that you support what ever she decides.florida is a great place for clubs both on/off premise.i would say better an on premise in case she gets cold feet then the other lady/couple can still hook up.

Swingers unnerve families at hotel - - The Squeaky wheel gets the news story right! First off Prove what you say, I don

Staying a couple in the lifestyle - - Our experience so far: Religious > naturist > meet naturists/nudists who are swingers > soft swap > non-religious > full swap with couples same room > full swap separate room Many lifestyle couples we know have followed a very similar path. The rest of some of their evolution concerns us, especial polyamorous couples, triples, etc. The tendency seems to be (very generalized) is to date and play separately. If the relationship becomes polyamorous, divorce seems VERY common. We like having more than physical chemistry. Personality and interests are part of the package, but it is difficult to get an 8 way connection (chemistry between all 4 people). We actually like the friendships more than playing, so we are comfortable where we are at the moment. Thoughts?