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couples gf? - has any couples thought of this or had/have a gf - [quote=ABCMAN][quote=ASSETS][quote=VIRANI]is it wrong of me to believe that no girlfriend of a couple should expect anything beyond sex?[/quote] nope. I think the same... if a girlfriend expects more, then she is just setting herself up for a broken heart and disappointment.[/quote] It's not that easy. What if the man falls for the girlfriend. It is possible to love more then one person romantically, it happens all the time. Even friends of mine who have cheated on their wives, still love their wives, it's not just sex to some of these men. Sometimes I wonder if "Swingers" or "lifestylers" get so paranoid about falling for someone that they miss some of the fun that comes with sexual play with those you care about or ...cough...love. Love isn't something that is always controllable or a feeling that always can be tamed. I've read these posts for years, and it happens all the time in the lifestyle. Couple "A" plays with single male or female, they play often, soon one of the couple is in love with the secondary, then all hell breaks loose. I just asked myself, why? That person you fell in love with originally is still the same person, they may love someone else as well, but they in most cases still love you as well. Shut down the social conditioning that tells you it's wrong! So is swinging by the way if you listen to those religious cultural voices. Talk it over with your spouse, let them know it's okay to feel what ever they want to feel. Keep those communication lines open, and often the "fallen" partner will realize they love two and they do not have to love only one person. Sorry for the sermon, but I just cringe when I read these replies where people attempt to deny what makes them fundamentally human. It's okay to love others, even if they are not your spouse. Just remember who you are going home with and who was by your side the last umpteen years.[/quote] I used to work for a MORMON sex therapist... his usual statement" Love is easy... for the most part it requires the right emotion and the right impetus.... It's the RELATIONSHIP that is hard." I love many of the bodies/minds that I've touched... but I've never found a satisfaction better than what I've discovered with a husband of 17 years and our two amazing kids. I don't need anything from outside sources but a chance to see "what's out there..." Perhaps that's the real difficulty... analyzing our motives and admitting our jealousies. For example, I consider myself flat chested... It's why I LOVE encounters with buxom women... but I am willing to admit that my interest comes from a place of jealousy ... I don't ignore jealousies...I use them to my advantage. I am not girlfriend material... Monogamy bores me. But I do fit in with the group of couples who want full honesty.

The elusive unicorn.... - Any such creatures here? How many couples have caught one? - Married here with a single female profile. When I swing, I always do so as a single. I've run into several women who do something similar to me or as shared above, who swing with known couples and friends their partners have approved. There certainly are truly single female swingers on here but my experience has been they don't stay single or around terribly long. Some advice....I've participated in quite a few FFM swinging experiences and the very first thing I look for is being treated as an individual, not just a walking vagina serving up your fantasies. Unicorn hunting can be pretty toxic for the extra F, which burns most of us out quickly. This isn't meant to sound harsh just a reminder to not lose sight of the real people involved and how much that can enhance the experience. Personally, I don't respond to people who don't read the profile, don't treat me as a person rather than a fantsy fullfiller or who want the quick, easy, goodbye focused hookup. I like to enjoy the human(s) I'm with as it enhances the sex for me. OP.. what does incorporate a unicorn into your lives look like? If it's more polyamorous focused, any advice you get from swinging will probably not serve you super well. I have some resources I can share that are more poly unicorn focused if you'd like. Otherwise, I wish you good fortune in your search.

NYE Party - NYE A Magical Masquerade Update - [quote=DEVILSKITCHEN]What an amazing community. It is very generous of everyone to defend Dusk VIP for taking a risk on this venture. I think the first post on this tread makes clear the basic business plan here was lacking strategy and execution. Luckily for the community. this is an very competitive market with premium pay for play fun in a local McMansion as well as more intimate house parties with a more communal approach to the opportunity presented by such a vibrant and fun loving group. We have no regrets for we checking out your first attempt at creating a nice club, and accepted your offer for a bounce back in good faith. We had no trouble finding many awesome contingency plans at the last minute. Is it possible to run this venture like the other clubs in the valley that charge for drinks, and maybe even a cover for a special event? It would seem there is a demand for a swingers club in town. We wish you all the best in your future endeavors![/quote] There definitely a demand for swinger clubs. Just a difference between people wanting one and Utah lawmakers and council allowing one. :p

Do you kiss first and then ask?? - Does anyone else ask about HSV 1 (oral cold sores) before kissing? - Well the 80% number is for adults.. of course kids who have not kissed yet is less. IT is fairly contagious. Enough that the experts recommend changing towels in the bathroom often if someone in the family has HSV 1. So if a couple got married without many kissing partners when they were young and have been married for 25 years the 80% does not apply. The testing reliability is a problem because of cross counts between HSV 1 & 2 or some technical thing I dont feel like quoting right now. But some positives might be negative however a negative is good new from what I have read. As far as swingers not playing because they have a tingle in their lip. I dont see that stopping many of the folks we have met at some of these parties. I hear it all the time life is dangerous and you could get in a car crash today.... YEs but we do what we can to prevent things and some of us more than others.

Young swingers party - sold out, who still wants to party ? - ...and the sign said long haired freaky people need not apply or those 45 and older. So...heading to Vegas for AVN weekend and four incredible nights of parties put on by PURRFECTLV. Anyone else leaving the great state of Utah for the real deal? Party like a Porn Star! Alexis Park - Parthenon Ballroom Massive 15,000 sq. foot ballroom transformed to an upscale sexy lounge complete with large dance floor, multiple stripper stages, go-go cages, ultra lounge furniture, state-of-the-art lighting and sound. Multiple Bars throughout.

Who is going to the AhhzHalloween party in Orlando? - Who else is sick and tired of hearing about more out of state crap? - Hey I know there is a big group of swingers going to The Pleasure Palace on Nov 3

Public display/playing - Playing in public places - [quote=JIMBOUT]I really enjoy playing in public places. A lot of people talk about it, but do they actually do it?[/quote] By "playing" I assume you mean fucking? Have ya tried Temple Square? DEF a bucket list item for swingers who like to live dangerously! [em]Emo_49[/em]

Those damn single men! - Where do they fit in this lifestyle? - IRONHORSE360, It's been awhile since this was rehashed, so I will oblige. For us, another man can be had in a couple. The same is true of another female. We do not look for singles of either sex. For what we are looking for in the lifestyle, singles fall short in that they do not bring with them someone for the other person to play with. Anything a single man/woman can do, a married one can do. So, we choose not to even bother with playing with singles. However, we can befriend and party with anyone. BLINDLOVE, I disagree in that singles can be swingers. swinging is not a "couple" only thing. Swinger or Libertine means that you are not bound by moral restraint when you engage in sex. In other words, you don't need to honor the "holy matrimonial sanctity" of a married couple, whether you are in the married couple or wishing to engage in sex with them. So I still contend that a swinger can not be pigeon holed as a swapping couple only. REALSEX4U, Kudos to Tony Robbins Eh? LOL! -D-

is this legit?? - - A good reason for someone to show discretion in this area of life is if the person is military. Thanks to some of the things written in the UCMJ(Uniform Code of Military Justice), the military swingers have to keep their lifestyle a secret because they can get into a heap of trouble. Just a couple examples who ever just has sex in the missionary postion, never has their partern go down on them or for those that like anal, no anal sex & the big kicker for the swinger lifestyle doesn't have sex with another person's spouse? All of that is punishable under the UCMJ so it wouldn't be a far fetched idea for them to lose their job if it came to the attention of the swinger's commander.

Why are there so many swingers from Utah? - - Weve seen that utah and florida both are represented well......now just to get rid of the 1800 miles inbetween them;)