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Swingers Party - Doesnt mean who ever is there is open to everyone elsa - That behavior is WAY out of line! We have been to dozens of parties in several states and only come across a very few people like that. Normally the host will ask them to leave - the majority of couples won't stand for it. You seem to be a very respectable couple given that you handled the situation with so much dignity. Wish you lived closer to us so we could introduce ourselves!

Looking to establish a group of safe swingers - - [list] [/list]We are super careful and this is exactly what we are looking for. Would love to be involved! We are tons of fun :)

Single Males - - [quote=TIFFND] Well said, Mr. Evil! To add to this, we often wonder why most single guys would be into swinging, anyway. I am far from being a Casanova, or Adonis, yet when I found myself alone and back into the single game after 30 some years, naïve as hell, one little post on a dating site brought more than a few ladies willing to just "knock boots". And yes...my profile there made it more than obvious I was not interested in a "forever" relationship. Frankly..listening to many of the single guys here...seems the chances of getting laid are better elsewhere. [/quote] Y'know i can actually think of a reason. Even if most single guys on a swinger site just want to get leid, there are guys who are just as picky about who it's with as most women are. And even if most men are supposedly all about her looks, there are some who are more about attitude and worldview and stuff than they are about looks. And swingers generally have an attitude somehting like "I'm going to do what I think I ought to be doing, not what everyone thinks I'm supposed to do." Which is a VERY attractive attitude to some people, and some guys would much rather be around people with that attitude than around "normal" people. ` Terry

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Ugly people and swinging - - Hey NOW!!! I resemble that UGLY remark! Donky what am I? Really big? No. Really really big? No, no. Green? No I'm an Ogar! You know grab your pitch folks, and run! Maybe those who are looking for *Ken and Barbie* need to be more careful and ask for pictures before meeting other people! Ugly people have feelings too, and they can be hurt and often are by words. There are a few select swingers clubs I dont like to attend because they think they are the *Beautiful People*, or they are very cliquish... To me, a BAD or STUCKUP attitude is a bigger turn off than those who might not completely meet my standards in the looks department. The second biggest turn off for me can be the first words out of someones mouth. Iron

What about the lifestyle didn't meet your expectations? - Preconceptions and disappointment. - I'm home bored, so stop here if you don't want to read a bunch of shite. lol. I think we both entered the lifestyle with some preconceived notions of what the people in the LS would be like, but that was mostly from our limited experience with being vanilla and having LS peeps try to hit on us. It just seemed creepy, desperate and gross at the time. We assumed most of the players would be super aggressive, ready to fuck anyone and have zero interest in relationships outside of sex. Our initial entry was simply to watch and be watched. We quickly learned that there are just as many wonderful people in the LS as out of it. Maybe more. There will always be the outliers, the few percentage on each end of the spectrum that are more extreme, but that happens in any population. Overall, it was a happy surprise. So that would be a negative expectation that wasn't met. As far as things we were hoping would happen or expectation that weren't met, we have very few. But we also went into the labyrinth without really expecting or assuming anything. I don't think we were naive enough to think that this segment of the population was somehow immune from the social characteristics that reveal themselves in any other social class or group. You will always have the "cool kids" the "shy people" the "jocks" the "geeks" the people who classify themselves as the "pity party" and blame the world for their problems. Those things will exist anywhere and should. Swingers are a diverse group of people with a few, maybe very few, common goals. Those goals I think are to meet others with social deviancy and those interested in expanding their sexual experiences or simply to meet new friends. Swinging, in itself, doesn't solidify your beliefs in anything else (politics, food preferences, choice of travel location, or even how or what you are looking for as swingers). I think that is where expectations can fail. If a person goes into a situation thinking, "I/we think "x" so everyone else must think "x" as well", they are bound to be disappointed. I've said this a lot of times, the lifestyle is not black and white. Life isn't black and white. There will be frustrations around every turn if you allow yourself to be duped into thinking your way of thinking is more than just your viewpoint, that it is universal to everyone. I see people complaining of flakes, people who meet once then run away, etc. That's how they roll. That's their truth. It's what they are comfortable with or wanting and who am I to judge. That being said, I don't have to associate with them and hopefully learn how to avoid that situation or become more efficient at finding people with similar interests. The lifestyle is work. Sometimes a lot of work. I think it's foolish to think that it should be easy to find 4 people who all jive. Think about how many people you have dated before settling on the right one for you. And to assume that somehow changes in the lifestyle and that after chatting on kik for a few weeks then meeting over drinks will somehow magically connect you. Ugh. Sometimes it happens. Sometimes not. But I wouldn't expect it. For others, the thought of any connection past the one-nighter is absurd. Why would you want to make friends with your fuck-buddies? It may be too risky and cause too many emotions. Point is, we are all different and that is what makes the journey so beautiful. And, just a note about flakes, since it is a recurrent theme. Yes, maybe there are more flakes in the lifestyle, but I'm guessing it's specifically related to the nature of the LS. Swinging for some can be very intimidating and frightening. Sometimes the chase is much more fun than the fucking. Not excusing them that do flake, it seems a problem for sure, but I think I understand, at least in part, why it happens so much. There is so much social pressure not to be in the lifestyle and most were brought up without it being the normal way to live. So society is telling us we are wrong, gross, deviant, etc. Add to that the fear of actually getting naked and fucking someone else and it can cause a lot of anxiety in some. When we first started we were petrified to even go the parties thinking it was going to be a fuck/rape fest. lol. Turned out we were wrong but it was a learning process. Lastly, if you are already treading carefully and the couple/person you are supposed to be meeting gives off any bad vibes, maybe flaking is best. It's hard not to hurt someone's feelings and honesty isn't always what happens. I know we have been honest with couples and it turned into a shit-show. Why don't you like us? If you only meet us and give us a chance we can prove we are wonderful. Other's like us, why don't you. It's hard to be honest at times about why there isn't a connection. May flaking be a way to spare feelings? I don't know. There are probably a plethora (Hefe, do you know what a plethora is?)of reasons people flake and some of those my be that they are just douches. But likely there are other people that aren't and are just trying to get out of a situation they are unfamiliar with. Avoid the douches but maybe give those others a second chance. Evil: always good topics you bring to the table. So you think because people like sex they should be good at it? I know a lot of people who love food but suck at cooking. haha. Maybe having too many options on the table can also make people lazy. I don't have to try hard if I know tomorrow is another partner. To some it's the quantity and not the quality. But I can see why the expectation would be there. All in all we really have no complaints. It's been a fascination journey. Some ups, some downs, but always and adventure. We will keep our expectations low, both of ourselves and those around us. Less disappointment that way. I'm going back to sitting in my underwear, drinking a beer and watching TV. Zero expectations. haha. :) Mr. SRO

Just curious are we the only ones? - Just curious are we the only ones? - [quote=UNICORN73]Black rings? Really?? Soooo how well known is this fact? I would really like something that's discreet but yeah...says I'm in. But if they are vanilla...I don't want them to know at all! Am I gonna out myself to the world if I get a ring??[/quote] The idea of the black ring has been around for a long time. As early as the 60's by some accounts. However it is not generally well known. As such it's very uncommon to see anyone wearing them in public. Mrs. DandD and I have only seen one other couple wearing them and we have only had one other couple notice ours that we know of. It's also important to to note that black rings carry different meanings depending on who is wearing them. Members of the of homosexual community have been known to wear them on the right hand ring finger to indicate marriage when living where marriage was not legal for them. Members of the [url=http://www.asexuality.org/home/]AVEN[/url] community wear them on the middle finger of the right hand to identify each other. Finally swingers wear them on the right hand but not on the middle finger generally out of respect for and, I'm guessing, to avoid being confused as member of the AVEN community.

We have heard about it many times........... - Couples that are swingers - I don't kiss and tell but I am so angry.....this was the second time we played. I should have known but they said they were quiet and we just assumed they needed to get to know us and open up. They sure talked a lot pre 2nd playtime how fun it was gonna be etc. The guy asked the girl to leave in the middle of it without any explanation!!! Our intention of this post is only to avoid this in the future. We are really a fun couple and are very disappointed. We look forward to more mature, secure couples to get to know. Obvousily they weren't ready or on the same page. We really want all the couples that we play with to be 110% comfortable and both parties are into the situation and want to play.

Swinging and politics. - - Which political candidate do you think would be most swinger friendly? 1) Duh, Trump. Fucker's been married...a LOT, to like supermodels...and likely is banging a few on the side. He'd totally be down with swinging. 2) Bernie Sanders. I mean think about it...socialism? Sharing EVERYTHING in society...including each others spouses? Socialism is ALL about swinging! 3) Hilary. She was totally cool with Bill gettin' a little head in the Oval Office so she'd be fine with leaving all us nasty swingers to our own devices. 4) Mike Huckabee. Cuz...well, cuz...I dunno, maybe somethin' to do with the Bible and concubines or something. Or maybe something to do with Duggars? Fine, that one's a stretch. 5) Cruz or Rubio. Hot Latin lovers, need I say more? 6) This is by FAR the stupidest poll yet, Evil. Politics is serious business and I for one can't wait to exercise my right as a citizen to vote...and maybe have a post-election orgy at my house. 7) Rand Paul. Hey, he says he's a Libertarian or a librarian (librarians are HOT!) or something so he'd be down with a little wife swapping. 8) Carly Fiorina. Yeah she's one hot babe and I can tell she wants it BAD! 9) Lindsey Graham. Cuz, well cuz he's prolly at LEAST bi. 10) I dunno. Probably one of those total kooks running on like the Constitution or Green party tickets. Some of those guys look like they live in a cave or a box under the viaduct.

Single Men Meeting Couples - Are Single Men Treated Un Fairly In The Lifestyle - Yeah, This subject has been beaten like a dead horse. It just comes down to a few simple things. 1. If single guys doesn't get invites, they feel rejected on sites like these. 2. It's couples choice. The couple have probably talked and decided what they are looking fore before posting an ad. 3. Get over it. Yes I know from personal experience that single men aren't always looked upon in this lifestyle in the brightest of light. You can thank those that don't respect the boundries of a couple for that. I have years of experience from going to swingers club in San Diego that did allow single men. I've witnessed the pushy single male, the "voltures" circling the carion. I would always tell the ones that would listne to me what it takes to play with a couple. 1. Be respectful. Respect the couples rules and wishes. 2. Be freindly, don't go up starting with " do you want to play". Introduce yourself, and spark a conversation about something completely off topic. 3. No is no. Don't pleade, or beg if a couple says no. Accept the answer, be polite and move on. Wow, it's just that simple to get respect from a couple, and maybe an invite to play.