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Messages - why don't people want to message back - 1. All the sites are crawling with fake couple profiles that are pic collectors or guys trying to cheat. 2. People here have the idea of dabbling but are not serious about it. 3. People have their ideal encounter in their head and are only looking for that exact situation. 4. People are simply lazy. They wanna push a button (like the FR one) and let you do all the work. 5. People totally content with swinging are already in an established party or meet group and have people come to them now. They are tons of fun, experienced swingers that know how to balance normal life and swinging life. So we always tell newbs there is a huge learning curve to this lifestyle. No, it’s not the sex part, we all already do that, it’s the ability to sort through the mess and find connections. Living where you do makes it even harder. Try some other sites to see if they fit better. AFF usually has a good listing in your area. Try posting up something when you have free time and see what comes your way. Don’t jump at every friend request. Our experience over 4 years is the blind ones with no message lead no where. We use the sites for first contact, then k!k (you can live pic verify there) and chat to see if it’s a match. Remember it’s a frustrating road ahead. Even after getting to full chat and meeting time, we really only meet 5% of the people we talk to, and we are super flexible and drive many miles to meet and play. Just keep at it. We are to the point now we can spot most flakes, cheaters and collectors quickly and we block and move on. When you do finally meet just be open. Network, be friends, that can lead to parties or new friends. Start looking to just meet cool fucking people and learn from there.

meet in greet in the ogden area - - Ok some details. It is on we have found the place, we spent some time talking with the owners of the place. They seem excited to have a swingers party in their club. It will be a smoke free enviroment, dancing, drinking, pool tables, a possible cage to show off your moves. Some have asked can we have it an all swingers party? Yes it will be swingers only Yahoo! No guessing who is and who is not. What about singles? we will allow singles all you need is to have someone vouch for you and say you are a good person to have around. This will not be by invite but you will need to be on the list to be let in the door. When is this going to happen? Well with that kick ass party on the 16th at club bliss going on that we are excited to go to, we have a couple of dates to work on. We hope that all will cum have some fun

Small Admission Fee - Come join us but pay a small fee - God I love a bashing party and with nothing to do can't resist jumping in. Even though I love to be a smart ass sorry Dave I can't bash you, you did nothing wrong by defending yourself against this garbage post and have harmed me in no way so maybe another time. As for the rest of you that have spoken wisdom and given me the right to express mine I thank you. Now Mav I would like to know how your created such a following with your words of wisdom or maybe it's the smell of horse shit that attracts them. You have made a total of 6 comments. First Comment I'm all about helping cover hotel costs but "bring a bottle and a small admission fee of $50" seems rather excessive. Shouldn't the costs of the room be divvied up evenly? This seems like prostitution to me. OK I was the dumb one here thinking it was a legitimate question and answered it not knowing you were about to name and judge someone you had no right to. Now your second comment I love and my favorite reason to bash anyone that chooses to make newbies feel stupid then feed them garbage that makes no sense.. I wonder how many good people left the site thanks to you. I understand newbies can say some really dumb shit at times but unlike you I try and give a real answer GILDETHRILL wrote I would say $50 is fine for single guys! To help pay for the room cuz all your really going to be doing is fucking the woman that come and 90% of the time men out number the woman! But if there was a party that the woman out numbered the men, then the woman should pay to cover costs! Spoken like a total nube. Member since August 2014. Mav you said. No, it is not all right to discriminate. If you like that scene, go for it. Or you could have some class and hold out for the couple/single/group that truly appreciates you. WTF are you saying he is discriminating against women, men, money? Did you tell him anything that made sense at all? Now my answer to you GILDETHRILL would be why don't you do one for yourself and tell all the women for fifty bucks,,,, no wait for free they can have you. Well I think you can guess within one how many will show up. See women don't think like us men and have the urge to stick anything that will spread their legs. It also is why an event charges double for men and free for women, it evens things up a little, if it was the other way around a lot of single guys would be standing around with dick in hand wondering where the women were. Now number three and your legal advice all I have to say is next time I need legal advice I would ask the horse your sitting on before you. WOW! Never saw the lawsuit angle coming. I'm not surprised often but DAMN! Totally got me. Just remember everyone, the single most effective defense against libel is THE TRUTH! You can't be sued for saying what someone ACTUALLY did. So, feel free to post away what was said between people. And notice I am talking in generalities. Not giving legal advice, just common knowledge. Your fourth comment came after SheLove wrote Utah people are such tight asses with there money. Where can you get layed for under $50. Really. Grow some balls. You said SheLove, it isn't about the money. It is about sex for money. That is called prostitution. Do you not see that? The lifestyle is not about paying for sex. It is about consenting adults having fun for the sake of having fun. No money involved. Now I'm a little confused because I consider sex a type of entertainment. So I'm trying to think of something fun that wouldn't cost me a dime. Lets see solitaire na need to buy cards, wait after some thought my sock puppet will always join me for free, O shit I forgot to wash it last time and that costs money. So Mav I have to ask what exactly is sex to you anyway, your profile says nothing of what your willing to GIVE a lady to make it worth her time. And so you understand I'm not talking about money. Do you have a big dick, know how to use your tongue or fingers. Or do you just roll over on your back and tell her to please you because it's a womans job and not worth a cent anyway. Next you said Now he is advertising the orgy on craigslist!! Come on now it that the best news from craigs you have to tell us. What about this one did you post it? Its late, any ladies interested in some black cock tonight?8/7 - m4w 25 (University of Utah ) Then comes this piece of work OK, I've had a change of mind based on the opinions presented here. CrazyDave is a businessman like other posts and hosts. I cannot hold that against him. His tactics, well, that is questionable. But others are doing it as well. So, go forth and party CrazyDave. $50 isn't that bad off considering the costs of other parties. A Little Magic: if you DEMAND that I pay for everything to EXPECT sex, then yes, that is prostitution. If you ask me to pay for everything in 2014, then we would never go out. There isn't anything less sexy than a woman wanting the guy to pay for everything. Hike up that skirt and join 2014. You insult Dave, anyone that posts, hosts of parties others. Then called a very sweet lady that has foot the bill for a guy more times than you know a PROSTITUTE. What I don't get is how without a single nice good word about anyone you managed to put together a wonderful fallowing of perfect swingers, maybe you should think about a group of your own called bashing swingers enter at your own risk. If only I wasn't tired I could comment about their worthless bashing and speculation. [em]Emo_60[/em]

Game ON....which sign is Hornier...(is that a word?) - zodiac signs of swingers? - another scorp:D

Why so much hate in the swingers world... - - thats are choice,, if that makes us racist so be it,, do you not like us thats your choice,, but thats our opinion,, Alton

Discretion a Must?!? - Let us know - We have been noticed. My wife goes to one of those offices where there are 4-5 doctors that work there. One of them noticed my wife's pics on an adult site. (because he had an ad there as well) No issues came of it, but that has been the only time anyone did "Hey I saw your pic". We are discreet, but on the same hand feel that anyone that sees our pic is because they were in the website too. We try not to make any enemies of other swingers and so we have not had anyone out to get us by sending our profile to other non-swingers.

Know any Mormon swingers in SoCal? - Single girl in SoCal wants to know! - OMG, I am SO going straight to hell for all the dirty songs I've sung to Primary melodies. [em]Emo_94[/em]

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KUTV News Story on Swingers - News - This isn't good, and no I do not expect anything close to "Fair & Balanced". That is why many of us prefer to keep it quiet and just between Us. Nothing on TV has ever made the Lifestyle look good or healthy, which is how many of us feel that are in it. Expect to be ambushed at some Party location in the near future, somebody will want to make more of this. Sorry for the negative view, I am hoping it isn't that way.