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Single Males - - [quote=EVILDOERS] ...get a girl to join you....Not only do you now "bring more to the table", but you have the added credibility that if you can find and finesse a girl into joining you in this little adventure we call swinging (whether it be a girlfriend, a wife, a second cousin twice removed, or just a hot fwb) you might just not be a giant douchecopter.[/quote] Ignoring the need to "finesse" someone and unhealthy gender stereotypes in general, this line of reasoning is a little troubling as it presumes that a male's company is inherently worth less. Or that an absence of semi-romantic relationships somehow speaks poorly of his character. I personally think approaching someone whom you aren't already fairly close with and soliciting to go to a swingers party is a bit out of line. Especially if her company is sought as an accessory to demonstrate to others that he is not, as you say, “a douchecopter”. Call me old-fashioned. [quote=EVILDOERS] I know we can't be the only people who secretly wonder just a little bit about some single guys and why they aren't with somebody. Do they secretly hate women (yes, we've met some that actually do), are they just too lazy (or busy, maybe...but hey, we're all busy) to find someone, are they serial killers and/or just not very nice guys? [/quote] Oh, I hope you are! That's a really unfortunate outlook to have. Promising relationships take time to find, let alone build to the requisite amount of trust and stability to try things like this. In the mean time, I don't see anything wrong with someone pursuing their interests while still holding out for someone worthy of their emotional investment. To me, that behavior is quite attractive should be respected! It doesn't get any better than someone who is confident, self-actualized, and motivated to pursue their desires. Sadly, it sounds their gender influences whether this is seen as a desirable trait. I'm not sure how long you've been out of things (30 years?), but it's easy to forget the struggle when you're comfortable in a marriage. Things are more fluid. People don't feel the need to settle down like they used to. [quote=EVILDOERS]I know many will say they've tried and swinging is a deal breaker for most women. After almost 3 decades in the swinging trenches meeting and talking to other people, both couples and singles, we would disagree....many, if not most, women could eventually come around to the idea of swinging once they feel safe and secure in a relationship.[/quote] This is just confirmation bias if the evidence comes from a sample of people you have met while swinging. [quote=EVILDOERS]...those of us who DID put in all the blood, sweat, and tears into a relationship and allow it to grow to the point of daring (don't think for a second we aren't risking a LOT in opening up our relationships to other people!) to allow others access to our significant other sometimes wonder why some others want to take a shortcut to all the sweet swinging bennies with little or no risk on their own part.[/quote] If you're not comfortable sharing your wife with someone you might view as a potential competition, you definitely don't have to. On the other hand, there are a lot of people enjoy it :) This smacks of the old “you must suffer as I did” chestnut.

Where are all the MEN - looking for men that arent afraid of furthering the aspect of sex - Please forgive the directness of this statement: Not all swingers are BI sexual. Not all men are interested in anal activity of any kind, male or female. Not all women are interested in putting a finger in her man\'s ba-chunga to \"stimulate\" his prostate. Thank whomever you worship. Not all people who differ with anal sex are in denial. They simply may not have any interest. Just our .02 cents. Luvbugs! :h

On a serious note... - A court case that could effect lifestylers with children - GEE PEOPLE, IT DOES NOT MATTER WHAT COUNTRY WE LIVE IN, THIS SHIT IS ALWAYS GOING TO BE AN ISSUE, FOR COUPLES WHO HAVE GONE THROUGH A DIVORCE WITH CHILDREN... BELIEVE ME WE KNOW. I MYSELF, AMANDA, GOT TAPED ON THE CHAT SESSION ONE NIGHT BY A PERSON,WHOM I DONT EVEN KNOW, WHO HAPPEND TO BE A FRIEND, OF MY HUSBANDS X-WIFES FRIEND,AND SHE MAILED THE TAPE TO MY HUSBANDS X-WIFE...(OUCH) I CANT EVEN TRUST SWINGERS ANYMORE EAITHER?? I DONT EVEN KNOW WHO THIS WOMAN IS, ALL I KNOW IS THAT SHE IS ON THE SITE... I DONT THINK SHE SHOULD BE IF SHE IS GOING TO TRY TO SCREW WITH PEOPLES LIFES.MY HUSBAND COULD HAVE LOST HIS TWO OLDEST CHILDREN, AND WE COULD HAVE LOST OUR YOUNGER CHILDREN WE HAVE TOGETHER, THE POINT IS WE STILL HAVE OUR CHILDREN!! AS LONG AS YOU CAN PROVE THAT THIS LIFESTYLE HAS NOUTHING TO DO WITH CHILDREN, AND THAT YOUR CHILDREN ARE NOT BEING HARMRD IN ANYWAY, THEN YOU WONT HAVE NOUTHING TO WORRY ABOUT, EXP. IF YOUR DISCREET! I GUESS THIS GOS TO SHOW YOU REALLY CANT TRUST A HOLE LOT OF PEOPLE OUT THERE? SO GOOD LUCK WITH YOUR BATTLE, WE FEEL FOR YOU! AMAANDA N HADEN :)

Secret facebook group for SLC? - - I actually started one: Northern Utah / Southwest Wyoming Swingers It isn't jumping yet, but would like to see more people added. Search for Nathan H., I live in Mtn View. I posted this in case you are interested in joining. I figured that if we were able to get a group going we could communicate in ways other than on here. The choice is yours, there is no pressure

Kik group for UT swingers. - Contact me if your interested in joining a KIK group for Swingers - maven2014 Enough said. LOL Mav

network swingers - - can't wait to see forum after this show starts.

ISO: sexy married couple - exclusive FWB - Let's have some fun... - We’re looking for a fun married couple to be “friends with benefits” (close to our age) who are fun, attractive and spontaneous that we can be best friends with, in and outside of the bedroom. We've had experience with this in the past and it was blast! This is more than just sex for us, we're looking for a long lasting friendship/relationship with this couple. We have no interest in threesomes, same room sex, group sex or swingers parties. Just a fun couple to be exclusive with. About us... We're an outgoing married couple, we both have sarcastic and fun personalities, we like to drink (socially), we don't smoke, we're D&D free, we both have professional jobs and are respectful and classy - all of which is what we're looking for too. We workout 3-4 times a week, so being physically fit is important to us. - He's 36, six foot four, 245lbs, athletic build, dark blonde hair, great smile and dreamy blue eyes (straight as an arrow). - She's 37, five foot five, 135lbs, athletic build with amazing curves, blonde hair, stunning grey eyes and great smile (bi comfortable). Reach out to us if you’re interested and let's have some fun 😁

Secret Swingers Club Ogden, UT - Clubs - We are going to unspoken tomorrow night. Anyone else going?

Yahoo name and status - - Most the swingers we have meet use yahoo to talk and such quite regularly. COnsidering the chat room here is empty and the instant messenger isnt that great. ANy way in the profiles we could have a spot for thier yahoo anmd if the are on your frined list and maybe even a small little status icon for when they are online.

Why so much hate in the swingers world... - - Posted By: TEQUILAROSE Reply posted on: Jan 8, 2008 - 4:14 pm If a single guy is at a party and you pack up and leave because you've got this preconceived notion that all single males are pigs and are just waiting for you to take a piss, so they can approach your wife, while you're away... I say this... 1) So what? Is your wife not capable of handling herself? 2) Are you not capable of saying, "Hey, Sorry man, we're not into single guys." I see that as no different that taking care of a couple you're not interested in. Quite frankly, there are far more asshole, disrespectful men in couples that we've encountered, then the single variety. I wouldn't pack up and leave just because there is a single guy there. Just like anything else, if I found that this club has single guys there and I don't like them, I can not go to that club and find another more to my liking. Actually, yes. She is too nice to them. Then when I come back from taking a piss, I have to do the dirty job. She signs up for trial stuff and if she doesn't like it, it gets cancelled. Unfortunately, my job is to be the heavy. She, like many women the bouncers tell us about will tell the guys "not now. Maybe later.". Well, later comes along and so do they. However, because they didn't say "No thanx", if they bug her, the bouncer can't do much. That is why the club bouncers always ask the girls "Did you say no thanx" or "not now"? If it is the former, they will tell the guy off. If it is the latter, they will tell the girl "Next time, say NO. If he still bothers you, I will eject him." Unfortunately, I am. Which is why I tend to get the dirty job. When the wife wants to return something, it too is my job. When she wants to buy something and the store is pretty dead, she feels sorry for the salesman and I have to go do the dirty work. Actually, we have found the reverse to be true for us anyways. However, like I said before, even though they are more trouble, they bring things to the table that we are both interested in so the greater risk is worth it for us.