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On a serious note... - A court case that could effect lifestylers with children - IMPORTANT COURT CASE MAY AFFECT SWINGERS WITH CHILDREN NATIONWIDE!!! URGENT NOTICE TO RESPONSIBLE PARTICIPANTS IN THE ADULT LIFESTYLE This Notice is directed to all swingers, exotic dancers, adult business owners and anyone involved in the adult industry. There is a very important legal case going on in the state of Florida which can affect everyone in the swinging and adult community nationwide who has children under the age of 18. Deltadawn who is a fairly well known member of the swinging community in the Tampa Florida area has lost her right to see her 2 1/2 year old baby girl simply due to being a swinger. Deltadawn had shared custody of her 2 1/2 year old baby girl with her "ex," who happens to be an attorney. He found out that she was in the swinging lifestyle and has filed a motion with the Hernando County Court of Florida to remove all of her parental rights, primarily on the basis of her swinger lifestyle. THE OUTCOME OF THIS CASE COULD HAVE VERY SERIOUS AND DETRIMENTAL REPERCUSSIONS FOR EVERYONE IN THE ADULT LIFESTYLE. The outcome of this case is critical and could set precedent for everyone involved in any form of the adult lifestyle nationwide. If the argument that participating in the adult lifestyle reflects adversely on parental rights, losing this case could open a Pandora's Box for lifestylers with children across the country. An adverse decision in this action could mean that anyone, gay or straight, with children could be at risk of losing their children and having their parental rights stripped away, simply because of the lifestyle that we all enjoy. Swingers and everyone in the adult entertainment industry would have to live in fear that they may be turned in and could lose their children simply because of our lifestyle choice. WINNING THIS CASE COULD HELP ESTABLISH CASE PRECEDENT AND HELP PROTECT OUR PARENTAL AND CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS Winning this case will mean loving parents do not have to live in fear that our legal system, some governmental agency, or some adversarial parent, will have the ability right to terminate your parental rights or take your children, simply because of a lifestyle choice that never involves well nurtured children. The rejection of private sexual lifestyle as a basis for terminating parental rights will set precedent that could serve to protect those in the lifestyle or in the adult entertainment business from unjustified intrusions into their personal lives. Under the U.S. Constitution we should have the right to our lifestyle choice without censure, condemnation and fear of losing our children. Deltadawn has retained Luke Lirot as her attorney in her fight to maintain her parental rights. Luke Lirot is one of the premier Constitutional and adult civil rights attorneys in the country (you can do an internet search of him to verify his credentials). He is constantly traveling all over the country defending peoples civil rights and is a true champion of justice. He is constantly in the newspaper and often appears on television nationwide. As any lawyer, he depends on his clients to provide him with a living, and Justice comes at a price. Deltadawn needs your help... We need all people involved in the swinging community and adult industry, nationwide, to reach into their pockets and contribute to her legal defense fund by donating what help they can to attorney Luke Lirot. THE OUTCOME OF THIS CASE COULD HELP US ALL Please make checks or money orders payable to: LUKE LIROT, P.A. (Please write in "Deltadawn Legal Defense Compensation" in the memo section of your check or money order) For further information, please contact: Luke Lirot Attorney and Counselor at Law 112 N. East Street, Suite B Tampa, FL 33602 (Tel) 866-387-8469 (TOLL FREE), OR 813-221-9533 (Fax) 813-221-9175 Email: [email protected] We sincerely appreciate your goodwill and support in this urgent and important matter! POST SCRIPT FROM LUKE LIROT: This legal battle is truly tough. Deltadawn's lifestyle experiences are being used as a weapon to try and take a loving child, much in need of her mother's love, away from her. To stop this effort, we must employ every possible tool at our disposal. We need the services of psychologists, social workers, and other professionals to show that Lifestyle characteristics, never revealed or foisted on any child, have no detrimental impact on children. Under Florida law, like virtually every other jurisdiction in the nation, the factors evaluated by the courts are whether parental contact "is in the best interests of the child." To do this, we need to show that participation in the Lifestyle, in and of itself, does not make anyone a bad parent. There are only a few formalities. Under Florida Law, Rule 4-1.8(f) of the Rules Regulating the Florida Bar governs "Compensation by Third Party," and allows for parties unrelated to the litigation to pay fees and costs on the clients behalf. The Rule states: Compensation by Third Party. A lawyer shall not accept compensation for representing a client from one other than the client unless: 1)The client consents after consultation; 2)There is no interference with the lawyer's independence or professional judgment or with the client/lawyer relationship; and information relating to representation of a client is protected as required by Rule 4-1.6 (confidentiality of information)." If these conditions are acceptable to you, and you care about this important case, we would welcome your help. These donations are not tax deductible, but they are evidence of true human kindness. Thank you! -Luke Lirot-

Bikers and Babes Party Plans are final . - Sat Oct 14th Club Tastebuds in Orlando. - Let's get some more people out this Sat the 14th in Orlando! Bring your bikes and your hot rods...It will be a rally to remember! TNP has been planning and putting this together for some time now, so let's show our support and go have some fun! This will be the first ever Swingers Bike & Hot Rod Rally! It will be a full day of excitement so let's get some more rides out there! C & D

Christain Swingers? - - From an earlier post on the same subject... I work in a church and know that most members here would frown upon the lifestyle. let me add that most of them are retired while I am in my late 20's. But a young minister that we had here, who left to head up another chruch, and I had a number of discussions about sex and whatnot. His opnion was that he didn't think God honestly cared what we did with our sex lives, that there were more important things to be concerned with. (as long as it doesn't negatively effect others) I'm not sure if it's a generation thing? My wife was rasied in a baptist church which seemed to be a "not talk about sex" kinda congregation, yet she and her family are very open in their discussions, some might say (me) a little too discriptive in their talks (like grandma and her new husband) but open none the less. My basic theology is that Jesus doesn't want you to live a life of repentance or guilt but rather that you enjoy all that life has to offer, and most importantly be decent and caring towards others, not necessarily in a sexual way but in a friendship helping way. The bottom line is that we all screw up from time to time, but don't dwell on it, learn from your mistakes, ask for forgivenness and move on to help others. With all that said I'll step down from my soapbox now

This one time at Swingers Camp - Discussion about N by N camp out - Another fantastic adult camp out is in the bag. I enjoyed seeing quite a few of my old friends and making some new ones. See you all again next year.

Out Tonight - - it is friday night shouldnt everyone be out? I mean what sort of swingers are we all? lol

Club 90 party - - We have been in the lifestyle for over 10 years together and we usually do not worry about these kind of things, because they are usually in other cities and states. But if you all remember the murder of that young girl in San Diego, Ca and they focused on the parents being swingers and not the dejected nieghbor who killed that poor little girl. Link: http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/05/16/national/main509253.shtml Here is a good one for those who want to know what can happen to a club. Link: http://www.metroactive.com/papers/metro/02.27.03/swingers-0309.html here is another that i found interesting. Link: http://www.timesunion.com/AspStories/story.asp?storyID=444851&category=REGION&newsdate=1/29/2006 we are going to make our pic's privatefrom now on(face pic's), not to hide from our family and friends, who already know about our lifestyle, but the people who we work with that will not be as understanding. What I do is sells and if anyone found out in my field that we are swingers, I could have a drop off of my sales quick enough to put me out of business. I already have a hard time selling to certain companies because i am not Morman, now just add to that i am a swinger, i will never sell them anything ever and most of them would let it be known throughout my industry. We hope to meet many more people on this site, but this will make it a lot harder to do so, the screening process just got a little more complicated. Enjoy the party, but i do not think that is where the problem is in this story.

Game----- Between My legs - Between My legs - The Right Stuff BML Dudley Do Right BML Let the Right One in BML Do the Right Thing BML Wrong is Right BML The Kids are All Right BML (going too far?) MR. Right BML Up & Down BML Upside Down BML In & Out BML Planes, Trains and Automobiles BML FREE WILLY BML The Gathering BML and of course.... SWINGERS BML

Game ON....which sign is Hornier...(is that a word?) - zodiac signs of swingers? - Lor is a Sagittarius, Lar is a Scorpio...bring it on..

A&E New show about swingers... - neighbors with benefits.... - [quote=KIDSATPLAY]/snip/This is a lifestyle that must eat the crumbs that fall from the gay lesbian table to acquire any "me to" acceptance. /snip/[/quote]Huh? I heard they have an agenda, now they have furniture?

Ugly people and swinging - - Considering that what attracts one person to another varies wildly from person to person, its amazing that you can make a blanket statement about "ugliness" and "attraction" which you clearly ASSume pertains to all swingers. Also just turning down a couple cuz you personally don't find both individuals in a couple attractive, without discussing with your partner whether or not they might be interested is just rude unless you are both bi and you know that well what they like. My .02 -SG