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what is soft swing - - Classy- you really think that 'hard' swingers actually have random sex ???
We've never done anything random or haphazardly or out of desperation. We choose our partners carefully, get to know them and when the time is just right, we go for the gold.
Nothing awkward or uncomfortable about it. Everyone knows what's going to happen- fucking isn't that big a deal, we've all done it a time or two.
We're not afraid of fucking new people, you are. Big difference. Again: our OPINION is that soft swap is a big tease. Mrs U has expressed her displeasure many times when things ended up with foreplay rather than culminating in some of that random, awkward penetration....
Most of the time we risk getting arrested after such an incident by getting it on in the car....
Now that's a reason to follow through after getting the motors running- it isn't worth spending the night in jail for reckless driving or indecent exposure just because our chosen partners are afraid of penetrating each other.
I'm done bitching about this. Off to fuck someone. You softies have fun groping each other.
Swingers cars??? - What ya driving?? - 08 Subaru Impreza WRX and 91 Jeep Wrangler. One fast and one slow...
AZ Clubs - - [quote=JADEANDJAY]Not sure if it's still there, but when we used to live there we used to frequent Club Chameleon or Guys and Dolls.[/quote]
Both have been gone for several years now. Chameleon was one of the best in the US. I have had some spectacular times there. The owners opened a diner on the east side of the valley after their club got closed down. Even though some of the old club regulars show up there, it never turned into a pick up joint.
Somehow, Discretions & Encounters both survived in Phoenix. They are both much more low brow. I think that I know who put the screws to Chameleon, but I'm not 100% sure, so I'm not going to name names. The person that I think it was, got thrown out for being too drunk & rowdy, then went on a rampage in revenge. He was a hot rod builder with a lot of attitude. The last words that I remember from him were "you mess with the bull, you get the horns".
There are a few bars in town that host meet & greets for local Yahoo groups, but the crowds there tend to be a bit cliquish.
There is a low key party in Havisu that is very good, but it's hard to find & hard to get an invite. Havisu in general is a good place to pick up party girls if you have a boat on the lake.
Tucson has an upscale nudist resort that attracts a small amount of low key swingers. Tucson also has a honkey tonk Drink-em-up bar that is run by "god" & boasts a well equipped side room for people who are feeling frisky. Just ask "god" for the "full tour" & you will get an eyefull.
West of Phoenix, there are some mud baths & hot springs that occasionally see some playful action.
A little north of the city, near round valley, there are some hiking areas with swimming holes that sometimes attract frisky individuals.
If you are looking for kink in Phoenix, try APEX.
If you want better odds at a good swinging experience, hop a quick flight over to Vegas. It's not that far. California has even better options, but it's a bit more of a ride.
Vegas: Swingers circle or couples oasis? - Which do I prefer - hotfire...which club?
Male on male - Not sure if this is where this goes, but male on male tonight only. - i'm obviously supportive. i'm amazed that so many supposedly free thinking male swingers on Swingular project such a homophobic attitude. and i'm sure every bi guy on here has been contacted by the male half of a supposedly str8 couple looking to get some MM action on the side. one of the best things about being bi is to learn how much fun it is to GIVE a blow job. i used to think that women were doing me a favor by going down on me. know i know why so many women love it. i've also met women who just wanted me to invite a second guy so they could watch two guys go at it. and women who thought they were dating a str8 guy until he undressed and saw that he was wearing women's underwear. i guess what i've learned is there is a lot more variation in human sexual behavior than i thought when i was younger. obviously the majority of people are more comfortable with the opposite sex...but that doesn't make MM or FF play wrong or ever the slightest bit unusual. imho.
Temptations Cancun? - Who's been, What do you think? - We love Temptation like lookin4fun369 said it is topless optional if you want clothing optional try Desire we have been to both and had a blast at each so much fun we bought a membership the staff is wonderful and there is always something happening if you are going to go make sure you checkout cancuncare.com they also have a swingers site and you can book your boobs cruise from there don't miss the boobs cruise it is almost the most fun you can have with your cloths off. In our opinion you cant take a vacation that is more fun. If you need any more info feel free to contact us.
Swingers cars??? - What ya driving?? - We have a Land Rover Discovery and a Ford Expedition.
swingin - thought this site was a swingers site - now one more time to virgin isn't the definition of ironic and i quote no one:what women in the old days did to get the wrinkles out of your ic
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Appropriate Parameters of Sexual Conduct in Modern Society - Should sex still have a unique status or just be another hobby? - Beard, You did open something up but I'm not sure what.
I had to copy and paste your original here so I didn't miss or get too confused..
One of your last points first: Moral refers to standards as defined by the church, the government or your neighbors(in light of the Supreme Court decission a few years ago about porn) Ethics, on the other hand are something that we define for ourselves based on our upbringing/environment and values that we have defined based on whatever we base them on.
You are right that marriage is a concept designed by religion and the government for the care of offspring and the clear definition of linage for property rights. You use the term marriage, which is a legal term like it is a moral imperative then ask if it should be based on some one or group of common interrests. Then the next breath you suggest that marriage is supposed to be more than any of that and something to do with sharing and intimacy. Finally you go back to somehow trying to make a point, (I'm not sure what that point was) that maybe there should be a conglomerate of reasons for marriage then with the nesxt breath you ask if sex should be forbidden..
Now lets see if this makes any sense to anyone. I'm poly and We swing. I have a lover who is married and her husband knows or us(he is not poly) and B knows of us and we are all good friends. We are, my lover and I, intimate both emotionally and sexually and both non poly mates knowof this. B and I are very much soulmates but then my lover is also very close to that as well. I do not wish to take her away from her husband and I do not wish to replace B. She does not want to replace her husband with me and we are alll OK with that arrangement.
In my heart of heart I am married to both in a very intimate way although I do not wish to procreate with anyone anymore. She feels the same way toward me. I would submit that marriage is an intimate, emotional and sometimes physical union of people.. I did not say two people I said people. We have been taught sex as a negative thing and relationships with more than one as a negative thing because we cannot love more than one person or more than one at any one time... I submit that we can love more than one and that the more we love the more we get back from that...
Swinging is started off as fun between close friends and sometimes the term wife swapping became a reality.... Sex is fun adn swinging is about sex and today alot of times about relationships. Relationships in my opinion are for the benefit of everyone involved... .
So I'm not sure if I understood where you were going but this is my take on the propositions as I understood them.
Depending on any person's opinion or preferences sex and love can be the same or they can be separate or they can be coincidental but it's basically up to that person or couple to make that determination....
We, in the lifestyle, may ultimately be right and marriage may change to a more contractual thing rather than some sacrosanct BS that it has become.... Swingers as a group have more than 3.4 time greater chance of remaining married than that of non swingers. The range of failed marriages is between 66 and 77% in all first and second marriages and some 70% of all married people cheat on their mates. Swinger have a better than 85% chance of marriage survival. Cheating is not exempt in Swinging but I think is is greatly reduced...
I think as swingers we have sex with friends and it can be just that or it can be more... at least for me..
Indiana sub cocksucker for Alpha - Sub needs trained - Good luck finding your alpha daddy but i think I speak for a lot of swingers go find it somewhere else! Maybe a gay site!
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