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Christian Swingers - - DREW.. isnt polygamy a form of swinging? OOOHHH... wait... they are all wives of one man, guess thats not really swinging. No one is swapping wives, (as far as we know).
On a more serious note. Religion, (regardless of what name you give it, ie: jews, mormons, catholics, whatever), is your belief in a supreme being. How you believe is personal. Although we may not follow the rules of our church, who's right is it to determine wheither we are christian or not? Any true believer in any religion knows that every great religious leader had emphisized over and over... its not ours to judge.. thats up to the supreme being you follow. We know alot of wonderful people who are wayward according to their church, but exhibit more respectable behavior than some of those people who claim to be so strict in their obediance to their church rules.
A wise man once said.. there are three things never to discuss ... Politics, religion, and sex. So when do we start the forum on the Presidential race?
Hello summer - Swingers couple party - Again please contact me if your a couple interested in joining us. We are not inviting single men to this event.
We will have activities to meet mingle and play
NewOrleans Clubs - Colette or Jasmine? - This post is great timing for us, we will be there next month! We might just have to check out Colette's! It's too bad we don't have a swingers club here in Utah! ;)
can we swing and still not be in sin ? - - You said you would explain how to swing without sinning. Most expressed apathy for the offer. Why, because "sinning" is something most swingers don't care about with regard to the activities in the lifestyle. Most either don't care or don't apply the word to their lives. I, as an atheist, do not give the word value. Sinning is a religous mans burden. So when you say you can "show me how to swing without sin", I reply, "I already am." ;)
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STD/STI Testing - - Actually it was closer to 1981 When HIV became aware to the medical community in the US if that is what you meant by that 1989 date. http://www.avert.org/aids-history-america.htm
HIV and HSV are the two nasties that should be of most concern for most swingers as they are incurable and HIV can be deadly. Both are costly in terms of lifelong medications but also in quality of life. They will be with you FOREVER!
HSV can pass by something as simple as a kiss and or oral.
Do clean test results mean something? YEs and No! Mathematically speaking the risk is related to a pyramid factorial equation. Meaning, for each new partner you have that is untested you are basically adding in the risk of not just that one person (Primary) but all the persons they have been with (secondary) and all the partners that those secondary people have been with etc etc.. HIV has been know to take up to 6 months of lag time from exposure to when it shows up on a test but 90 days is normally considered the standard waiting period. So any primary partner you play with who has been with someone in the past 90 days before they were tested still could have given HIV to you.
Granted HIV is rare. But HSV is not!
HSV cant take 2-3 weeks to show up on test results.
70-80% of the population will test pos for HSV as there are many folks who have the mouth cold sore HSV 1. To keep it simple sometimes in the testing HSV 1 really shows up as HSV2.. SO sometimes this means if you do test positive for HSV 2 it is really only HSV1. This is one reason Planned Parenthood will try to talk you out of this 160$ test
One more thing to add. Most people still think as long as they dont have an open HSV 2 genital herpes outbreak they are good to go. This has been found to not be true. There is a relatively new phenomenon recognized in the scientific community called Viral shedding.
http://herpes-coldsores.com/viral_shedding.htm
Another worry that is rare but possible and I know of a recent case where a person gave someone Oral herpes HSV1 to the genital area of another person.
There is also Chlamydia that everyone almost laughs off because a single dose of meds will cure it! The sad thing is if you got CHLAM you could have got HSV or HIV also as they run together. TO explain this if your had a partner that gave you Chlamydia they could have just as eaisly have given you some other things.
SO what is the safest thing to do. No play with anyone other than your main partner.
But if that is not what you wish then:
The safest thing would be for both Prospective couples to stay monogamous for 90 days and then get tested.
This is all true to the best of my studies but anyone please feel free to correct me.
Friends? - Friends in and out of the bedroom? - It seems like there are two general classes of swingers. The 'one and done, "we already have all the friends we need just bend over and take it"' crowd and 'the more friends the merrier, in fact "we prolly won't fuck you until we know you a little better"' group. We fall into the latter group. In fact we're pretty much here solely for the friendships. I mean, if sex happens that's awesome. But it's not our raison d'etre cuz we can always go home and enjoy the hell out of banging each other. YMMV
Swingers gone bad?? - - I can't or wwon't take the moral high ground here. I believe what was done was legally wrong. I was having sex by age 12 and knew what I was doing then. Was I legally competant??? According to statutes then and now, I was too young to make a good judgement. Did these boys or any others boys ever need alcohol to get into the mood to have sex??? Legally they did wrong.... If the boys were 10, 9 maybe even 11 maybe then they sould be too young to participate...
Now people taking the moral high ground........ Is swinging morally right? The lifestyle is sometimes called a fringe thing. It's not illegal according to the law but there are those who say that morality says that sharing each other with someone outside of the marriage is wrong. For those of you in Utah.... Polygamy, polygyny and polyandry is wrong... Actually the state had to outlaw the practice of having more than one wife or they wouldn't have gotten statehood. So they used the term Polyegemy or having more than one wife or having more than one husband at the same time. Polygyny is having more than one wife at the same time. It is illegal in most states for either of these 3 states or conditions to exist or to participate in.
I guess what I'm saying is, Are swingers morally upright or righteous enough to make the moral judgement on these people. Certainly, what they did was illegal but.... 50 years ago what we do today would have gotten us ousted from the community, church, loss of job (and that could still happen today) and maybe even jailed, under the right circumstances..
So, before we cast the first stone let us be certain that we are righteous or that we are well outside of our glass house.
Oprah show on Swingers - - I just seen it too....but I think it may be a rerun. It is still pretty interesting, and makes you kinda giggle...knowing that you are doing the same thing. Oprah acts so taken back by it all.....like how could people do that. Kinda funny!! If you didnt see it the first time it came on, you should watch for sure. I agree with Cyn...if something is going on in my neighberhood I wanna join! But for those of you who have been to our home...you all know that if something is happening on our street, it is our house it is happening at....LOL ;) .......so I already know whats going on!
KUTV News Story on Swingers - News - Come to the dark side of swinging! We have cookies!
Swingers Kickball Society - - This sounds fun.
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