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Reject Affair Match - Cheaters are not swingers - Riderz, You crack us up!

Why so much hate in the swingers world... - - Oh shit the racist card was pulled... well I guess am fucked since I am a spic or as other might say Bilingual Ni

Playing Alone - - Couples all have different rules. Many categorically refuse to play alone with ANYONE ever. This is their "security" place. They feel comfortable in the place where they can see each other and "protect" if necessary. It takes some people a long time to get passed this. It's kind of a 'control' thing leftover from the vanilla life. I'm not saying it's bad, good or indifferent it's just the way it is. Some people take longer to get passed their histories as vanillas than others. As they progress and get more comfortable with themselves, the lifestyle, their partners then they will slowly open up and begin to trust a bit more. Don't take it personally, that's the key. Many people still hang on to their vanilla background that their partners are their most 'valued' possession. I liken it to my $450 deep sea fishing reel. Sure I'll loan it to someone to use if I'm on the boat with them and can make sure they're taking care of it. Is there anyone I'd just let 'borrow' it out right for the day or weekend? Not a chance in hell. It takes time to let go of that 'she's/he's mine' get feeling. I think my wife and I took almost 6 years before we got there successfully. We tried many times before that but it never worked out well for either of us. We finally came to a point where it's okay to play separately everything from next room to next state it no longer bothers us. I personally prefer within 30 - 50 miles so she get's home faster for the "after play" sex you're describing (which I really like too.) You'll have to find a VERY secure, VERY established, VERY strong couple to fulfill your fantasy. They are out there, my wife and I for example but even though we're open to playing separately are we open to YOU playing with her or me separately? That's a different level of trust. Does it mean no? No. It means "maybe" in time it's a possibility. (I'm speaking hypothetically of course.) Don't worry your "couple" or "person" will come along. You might also try investigating a subsection of the lifestyle called "hotwifeing" while I know few swingers who are hardcore into only hotwifing, there are quite a few that tip toe in that part of the lifestyle (quick def, she plays he doesn't except with her.) That's the post play joy for you and the play and post play joy for her. Most people just bounce between that and swinging. There are people out there just be patient and don't expect it from any current playmates that you have established rules with, they need to progress at their own speed.

Lack of Communication - Is it really that hard? - I've been thinking about this thread (and other's like it...they seem to come along every few months or so, along with the ones about whether or not condoms are a good idea or whether we're just caving to the big latex conglomerates) and I have a few additional thoughts. First, many (most?) emails we receive seem to have about as much thought put into them as one might put into which side of their hamburger to start eating on. If they aren't spammed out to multiple people the senders, at very least, don't seem to have the verbal capacity to write anything beyond, "We seen yer add and wanna put our naughty bits in yer naughty bits." [SIC] Is it that hard to include a little tidbit or two about WHY you think we might be a good match for you and why we would want to take time out of our busy lives to meet with you? And the few that DO contain more than a generic greeting or poorly thought out pick up line have obviously not read our profile (don't necessarily blame them...takes a minimum of a couple of hours to slog through) and don't know what we are and are not looking for. For Christ's sake, give us at least ONE compelling reason why you think we'd like to meet you such as, "We love fisting out stuffed ferrets too and also worship Satan as our lord and master. Let's have coffee." Second, when did we all become such Tender Heart Care Bears? And why do we necessarily feel entitled to a response to a more often than not spammed out email from people wanting to perv our locked pics? I've only written back to that nice Nigerian prince like ten or fifteen times before I finally got tired of him asking for my checking account number. Do you call back every carpet cleaning company that leaves a message on your voice mail? Do you send a nice polite note back the the guy who's running for president for the Violent Tyrannical Dictator Party and wants you to donate to his campaign fund? I mean, he was even nice enough to send you a self addressed stamped envelope. So maybe put a little thought into your solicitations. Give people a compelling reason to write you back beyond, "OMG, you're swingers? We're swingers too. We should totally fuck!". This goes double for single guys. Read the profile...even if you have to do it over two or three nights and use a dictionary to look up the big words. Take note of what people are and aren't looking for and especially if they mention your particular demographic. And last but not least, Don't worry about it if someone doesn't write you back. For all you know they've just survived a horrific bumper car accident at Lagoon or maybe they're 2 days in to binge watching all nine seasons of Matlock and haven't eaten or slept for two days. If you're consistently not getting any responses to your emails maybe you're fishin' in the wrong pond. Take a good long hard look in the mirror and ask yourself honestly if Angelina Jolie REALLY would like to fuck you or if you're more likely to hit it off with Steve Buscemi or Nick Nolte. [img]http://41.media.tumblr.com/5aeb01c341f821494d4f928ab96c1ed0/tumblr_n9id25LoID1skhtbpo1_500.jpg[/img] [img]http://images.complex.com/complex/image/upload/t_article_image/tkv4iaprkfruehfvnhpn.jpg[/img]

Explain why you like being a swinger - - [quote=JANDY275]We don't like being swingers....we are really kleptomaniacs. But what better way to see what kind of cool things other people have. :)[/quote] and you could potentially add "spouses" to the list of things you theive? :p

SMI (Palm Springs) or One Love (Vegas)?? - Looking for fun State Side Vacation - SMI (Palm Springs) or One Love (Vegas)?? The wife and I often do Cancun for fun adult vacations however, due to Covid , we have to stay state-side this year. We are debating between Sea Mountain Inn in Palm Springs or One Love Nude Resort in Vegas. We have never been to either. Any thoughts or suggestions?? We are more "swayers" than "swingers" but love the sexual energy of the fun resort and are slowly expanding our level of play. Thanks in Advance! DMDForFun (on Kik too)

Tooele swingers party 2 - Doing our second party - Are you in PA

Bi mmf couple - Looking for a real mmf bi play couple - Look, I am from South Africa working and staying here in Louisiana. Me and my wife are swingers back home, I'm straight and she's bi-curious... we had a bi guy over once and it was an interesting experience... I don't mind a bi guy playing with us, or in this case seeing as she isn't here with me, playing wit a couple where the guy is bi as long as everybody respects everyone's boundries. Certain thing I for one would allow and will even do, but there is limits and boundries I wont cross

Why so much hate in the swingers world... - - Posted By: TEQUILAROSE Reply posted on: Jan 8, 2008 - 4:14 pm If a single guy is at a party and you pack up and leave because you've got this preconceived notion that all single males are pigs and are just waiting for you to take a piss, so they can approach your wife, while you're away... I say this... 1) So what? Is your wife not capable of handling herself? 2) Are you not capable of saying, "Hey, Sorry man, we're not into single guys." I see that as no different that taking care of a couple you're not interested in. Quite frankly, there are far more asshole, disrespectful men in couples that we've encountered, then the single variety. I wouldn't pack up and leave just because there is a single guy there. Just like anything else, if I found that this club has single guys there and I don't like them, I can not go to that club and find another more to my liking. Actually, yes. She is too nice to them. Then when I come back from taking a piss, I have to do the dirty job. She signs up for trial stuff and if she doesn't like it, it gets cancelled. Unfortunately, my job is to be the heavy. She, like many women the bouncers tell us about will tell the guys "not now. Maybe later.". Well, later comes along and so do they. However, because they didn't say "No thanx", if they bug her, the bouncer can't do much. That is why the club bouncers always ask the girls "Did you say no thanx" or "not now"? If it is the former, they will tell the guy off. If it is the latter, they will tell the girl "Next time, say NO. If he still bothers you, I will eject him." Unfortunately, I am. Which is why I tend to get the dirty job. When the wife wants to return something, it too is my job. When she wants to buy something and the store is pretty dead, she feels sorry for the salesman and I have to go do the dirty work. Actually, we have found the reverse to be true for us anyways. However, like I said before, even though they are more trouble, they bring things to the table that we are both interested in so the greater risk is worth it for us.

Finding sexy friends in Vegas - - Vegas fun spots for lifestyle: Swinger Clubs -
On-Premise: these are the lifestyle clubs in Vegas... 
Sea Mountain 'One Love Temple'. Opened in June 2017 as Las Vegas first and only lifestyle resort! They have awesome night parties, including a club where you can dance. No clothes needed here, couples & single girls only. About 10 mins from the Strip, an easy uber. Absolutely fantastic. 
Las Vegas Playroom (in what was the Couples Oasis house) is, as of July 2016, remodeling the venue and just started hosting parties. We like what they are doing, as they've already made a number of upgrades. They are trying to target a younger demographic and have quite a bit of work to get the vibe right (music, paint, furnishings, etc) but they are motivated and driven to make that happen. Fingers crossed, we're rooting for them! 
The Green Door. We have never been there but our friends say it would be there next pick, as they love the playrooms and it's very close to the Strip (just off Sahara). However be forwarned that solo (we won't say "single") guys are heavily marketed to so there will always be hordes of non-lifestyle-protocol-aware guys in the hallways, in the bar (no alcohol allowed due to city ordinances), and leering outside of the couples areas. If you’re a girl and into a lot of guys or just loves being an exhibitionist and knowing she's turning guys on who watch then she'll have a blast here; but if she's not then it can be awful for her. It's clean, just off the Strip and the parking lot is very safe. The crowd here starts late, usually after midnight. 
The Red Rooster is one of the oldest and most famous clubs in the world and used to be packed every weekend (we hear it's losing steam a bit). They also allow in solo guys, so keep that in mind. The crowd tends to be older, and they (refreshingly) make no apologies for who they are (not the place for the young-n-hot-pretty-crowd, definitely a good place for the majority who aren't that). And it's a LONG way from the Strip, so either rent a car or prepare for an expensive taxi/uber ride. They have an indoor pool, and a FANTASTIC food buffet that the owner cooks personally (they have a catering license, and it rocks). This place packs early, by 10:00pm there's a big crowd that tends to be older as there are lots of locals who have been loyal members for 20 years or more. And, of course, plenty of places to play.
There's also the Fantasy Swingers Club, and it's right next to the Green Door, a bit smaller and a lot quieter, often with only a few people there, but has a sexy vibe with fewer solo guys.

Other: There are LOTS of impromptu and other parties that pop up from time to time in Vegas, so keep an eye on the various lifestyle sites. Off-Premise Party -
Swingers Circle hosts a couples-only on-premise party on Thursdays. They book a hotel suite on or near the Strip, start early (you aren't allowed to arrive late), and it's all about playing. Since they promote on a number of sites and don't display their guestlist, it can be hit-or-miss as to whether you'll fit in or not, but from our friends experience it's absolutely worth the risk. They play a game that quickly gets everyone naked, and if you aren't feeling the vibe with the night’s group...there are no hard feelings for sneaking out (nobody will even notice). So it's worth the price of admission to see, and there's a good chance you'll have a blast. 
PurrfectLV at Caesar's Fizz Lounge is a weekly swingers meet & greet in the lounge. Very sexy vibe in a small, intimate venue, but not on premise so if you connect with some sexies then you'll need to head off on your own. It can be hit-or-miss, sometimes there's a big crowd, sometimes not, sometimes it's hot, sometimes it's not. Plus note that although they do allow solo guys, don't let that deter you as they are very chill and understand protocol. It's usually worth hitting even if just to see who's in town and then hooking up and heading out from there.

Nude Pools - Sea Mountain 'One Love Temple' Las Vegas - opened in late June 2017, Las Vegas finally has a 100% clothing optional , on-premise resort! It's a beautiful property located about 5 min's from the Strip and an easy Uber. Dewey and his wife (owners) are great hosts, and provide a sanctuary for couples and single girls (sorry guys, you'll need to find a date to go here) where you can be surrounded by like-minded friends and away from the hordes of vanilla's at the topless & club pools at the resorts. It isn't free and most think of it as pretty speedy. The last time we were there, we paid $200 per couple for the day & night. That’s after paying a $40 membership fee. The alcohol is free and so is lunch and all the snacks they provide throughout the day....but the cost per couple is less than a pair of lounge chairs at Bare or Moorea. Topless Swimming Pools - 
Leave Rehab, Wet Republic, Tao and other popular non-toptional (girls gotta keep their tops on) pools to the hordes of young vanillas paying $100/pp entry, getting drunk on $20 cocktails and having their ears blasted by music so loud it's impossible to have a conversation (but hey, they're vanillas, so they aren't talking to each other anyway). * Evolve, Swinging Saturdays at the Artisan pool (hosted until Labor Day, then re-opens in May) is THE only couples-only topless pool party in Vegas! Great (house) music, hot people, and you can get away with pretty much anything. They even have a play suite for everyone upstairs. And what about single guys who have a room at the hotel? They put 'em on a bus to the MGM and comp them into vanilla-land at Wet Republic, anything but allowing them into the Artisan Evolve party. 
Our other fav's are these 3 "toptional" pools: 
Bare Pool at Mirage (usually a hot crowd and we've randomly met other Lifestyle couples many times, always fun there)
Moorea at Mandalay (book a daybed) is gaining a bit more traction lately with lifestyle friendly folks. Not as hip as Bare, but a pretty good pool scene. Like most 'nilla topless pools, all the girls will be wearing their tops until one or two girls go topless, so the swinger's usually get things started and it's always funny to then watch tops start coming off around the pool.
Venus Pool at Caesar's(not free, but still fun and very swinger friendly), and
Artisan Hotel Pool (extremely swinger friendly, usually other lifestyle members are found lounging poolside). Massages -
Want some stress relief...plus? Well Chinatown is great if you're a guy, but they seem to be at a loss as to what to do when a girl shows up (either alone or as part of a couple). And of course there are tons of escort services in town, which are expensive and, well, you won't get the massage. Clubs -
The clubs most people are going to at the moment are the Drai's rooftop at the Cromwell, Marquee at Cosmo, XS at Wynn/Encore and Hakaasan at MGM (those are currently also the top 4 clubs in the world, as rated by numerous magazines). The after-hours club people hit is Drai's (opens at 4:00am) in the basement at the Commonwealth. 
NOTE, all clubs...and we do mean all...make their money selling "bottle service". There are, absolutely, literally, no places to sit in a club unless you pay for the table, we aren't kidding, really, which will run you anywhere from $600 and up (way up) depending upon the day and the location of the table in the club. Lounges -
Lounges are our personal preference, as we can meet up with people, have a conversation, and head to a hotel suite or houseparty. The sexiest lounges we like are:
For hanging out - Rose.Rabbit.Lie at Cosmo, Parasol Down (outside patio lakeside at the Wynn...our absolute favorite in town),and Chandalier Bar at the Cosmo (worth the trip, trust us).
For vanilla hunting - Vesper Bar and Chandalier Bar (both at the Cosmo), Lavo (at Palazzo), or pretty much any bar in Vegas where 'nilla's are looking to let go and embrace the "what happens" ethos. Shows -
There are so many great shows here! We will ignore the great vanilla shows (Jersey Boys, Mystere, etc) and just give our thoughts on the more risque performances...
1. Zumanity - the Mrs says, for the girls to remember to bring an extra pair of panties, as you'll get wet!
2. Absinthe - this show at Caesars has you starting in the beer garden and ending up in a smallish circus tent. The seating is close and upfront to the performers. The show includes bawdy, profane and damn funny skits with a lot of acrobatic sensual stuff. The irreverent anti-Cirque and the mister’s...hands-down favorite. 
3.. Fantasy - a standard from the Luxor that's been playing for a long time and is actually fantastic. The girls are good looking, the dancing and acts are great and the comedian makes it all worth while. Strip Clubs -
The little known truth about Las Vegas strip clubs is...well...they pretty much suck. You'd expect them to be wild and no-holds-barred a la New Orleans or Florida, but that sadly isn't the case as the "no touching" rule is strictly enforced at the more popular clubs (some of the less popular clubs, though, do let you get away with literally anything, including paid-sex in the back rooms, or so we've heard...but you didn't hear that from us). Some highlites (all are just our opinions, of course)...
1. Spearmint Rhino - the best club in town. Not because it's the best venue; it's okay, but it isn't Hustler or even Treasures in terms of design quality. But THIS is where the hottest girls from all over the world fly in to work. End of discussion as far as we're concerned. And yes, if/when you fall in love you'll learn that most of the girls "date", but don't take it too hard when you learn that the translation of that is "escort" and they aren't really in love with you...hey, girls gotta make a living.
2. Sapphire - billed as the largest strip club in the world. Maybe it is, and they do pack in the crowds, but honestly the girls tend to be on the heavier side and just aren't that hot.
3. Palomino - in North Las Vegas, the original, and still the only club that is 100% nude AND serves alcohol. This is one of the places where we've heard you can pretty much get away with anything you're willing to tip for.
4. Hustler - beautiful and amazing in design. Best to go when there is a party or special event, as that's when the hotter girls show up to work.
5. Others - there are sooooooo many strip clubs in Vegas, so check out other review sites for more info. Some are fun for very specific reasons, such Treasures and it's fantastic steak house. Just be forewarned, most of these small clubs will have few girls dancing (and usually not very attractive ones at that...not what you'd expect in Vegas).
FOR THE GIRLS (and bi-guys) - Male strippers! There's only one place to go - "OG", Olympic Gardens. The hot guys here can get away with a LOT more than their female counterparts in the other room, so private/VIP dances can get very frisky!
LOCAL'S TIP - READ THIS BEFORE GOING!!! In Vegas the strip clubs are required to "tip" the taxi or limo when they drop you off at the club; anywhere from $40 to $100 per person (yes, you read that right, per "person", not per "vehicle"). So DO NOT grab a cab, nor accept the "free" ride from the limo the doorman at your hotel is more than eager to get for you. Instead, call the strip club and they will send a free limo to pick you up AND you'll get free entry (they'll bend over backwards to avoid paying the taxi/limo fees).You'll still need to grab a taxi back to your hotel afterwards, but that's fine as the club doesn't have to pay for that. Hope this info helps...have fun in Sin City!