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Appropriate Parameters of Sexual Conduct in Modern Society - Should sex still have a unique status or just be another hobby? - Beard, You did open something up but I'm not sure what.
I had to copy and paste your original here so I didn't miss or get too confused..
One of your last points first: Moral refers to standards as defined by the church, the government or your neighbors(in light of the Supreme Court decission a few years ago about porn) Ethics, on the other hand are something that we define for ourselves based on our upbringing/environment and values that we have defined based on whatever we base them on.
You are right that marriage is a concept designed by religion and the government for the care of offspring and the clear definition of linage for property rights. You use the term marriage, which is a legal term like it is a moral imperative then ask if it should be based on some one or group of common interrests. Then the next breath you suggest that marriage is supposed to be more than any of that and something to do with sharing and intimacy. Finally you go back to somehow trying to make a point, (I'm not sure what that point was) that maybe there should be a conglomerate of reasons for marriage then with the nesxt breath you ask if sex should be forbidden..
Now lets see if this makes any sense to anyone. I'm poly and We swing. I have a lover who is married and her husband knows or us(he is not poly) and B knows of us and we are all good friends. We are, my lover and I, intimate both emotionally and sexually and both non poly mates knowof this. B and I are very much soulmates but then my lover is also very close to that as well. I do not wish to take her away from her husband and I do not wish to replace B. She does not want to replace her husband with me and we are alll OK with that arrangement.
In my heart of heart I am married to both in a very intimate way although I do not wish to procreate with anyone anymore. She feels the same way toward me. I would submit that marriage is an intimate, emotional and sometimes physical union of people.. I did not say two people I said people. We have been taught sex as a negative thing and relationships with more than one as a negative thing because we cannot love more than one person or more than one at any one time... I submit that we can love more than one and that the more we love the more we get back from that...
Swinging is started off as fun between close friends and sometimes the term wife swapping became a reality.... Sex is fun adn swinging is about sex and today alot of times about relationships. Relationships in my opinion are for the benefit of everyone involved... .
So I'm not sure if I understood where you were going but this is my take on the propositions as I understood them.
Depending on any person's opinion or preferences sex and love can be the same or they can be separate or they can be coincidental but it's basically up to that person or couple to make that determination....
We, in the lifestyle, may ultimately be right and marriage may change to a more contractual thing rather than some sacrosanct BS that it has become.... Swingers as a group have more than 3.4 time greater chance of remaining married than that of non swingers. The range of failed marriages is between 66 and 77% in all first and second marriages and some 70% of all married people cheat on their mates. Swinger have a better than 85% chance of marriage survival. Cheating is not exempt in Swinging but I think is is greatly reduced...
I think as swingers we have sex with friends and it can be just that or it can be more... at least for me..
Adult Vacation Recomendations - We need some help what to do or where to go! - [quote=REALWOOD][quote=KRAZYGIRL]So here is a perfect deal for ya.
There is a group of 20 or so people from here going on a cruise in feb and it will go to Putreo Rico. And swingers.lol
Leaves on Feb 7th for a week.
It has all of the items you wanted and more. But time from kids is so much in need at times, just need to be an adult. [/quote]
Email us the details.[/quote]
It would be sweet if you guys could find a way to join us.
Curious where did you meet? - - I meet James on match.com. We hit it off and he is the love of my life. We have been married for six years and recently started into the lifestyle. I was reading the paper at lunch one day and saw this article about skinny dipping at Caliente Spa and Resort. I called him at lunch and I jokingly asked him if he wanted to go and he was all excited about it. James could not stop talking about it when I got home from work. We looked up their website and some the comments stated they had a bad time because they allow some sexual activity in the pool. Apparently some people went to the resort during a swinger convention and we thought that was cool. We started to talk about if there were other swingers there and we both got excited about the possibilities. We went to Caliente and we got used to the idea of being naked in public. We found out we enjoyed it. We did not meet another couple at Caliente therefore we searched for swinger websites and here we are. We met a few nice couples here and enjoy the lifestyle. I guess I should be careful how I joke with my husband.
swingin - thought this site was a swingers site - Sincitybi..... Being fat and ugly, I can tell from experience is not a problem for some of us men. I seem to have no problem with the ladies...even the very sexy young. Yes my wife is a good looking woman but that hasn't really been a plus for me.... I try to treat a lady like a lady even if she's not what some would call a lady.. Women like the journey and I try to be their tour guide... Gentle, slow, sensual and erotic.... Ugly hasn't been a handycap nor the fat thing... and since the diabetes got out of hand..... I am fat... at least 60 lbs too fat... Fat and ugly can be offset by gentle, slow, erotic, stimulating and just being a good tour guide on a nice journey..... and my wife is certainly not a mongaloid. Even my girl friends are not the most beautiful people in the world but they are beautiful people..... although one of my girlfriends face looks like a very young Drew Barrymore... I just saw "FIRESTARTER" and realized the resemblence. Besides ugly is in the eye of the beholder, isn't it?
Not trying to start a controvercy just saying that fat and ugly doesn't have to be a hinderance in swinging..... and might I add age also...... The weekend of the 14th, not one not two but 3 very good looking, young women, I had never met before, were all over me. We were at the same table at a social/party/dance of one of the clubs to which we belong. Based on their reaction to my aftershave... I think that it may have had something to do withtheir reactions to me. The aftershave is something new, not one of the mass marketed big name things. I've gotten comments just on the streets and in stores.... So maybe I'm a good guide and maybe I know how to dress and what fragrence's to wear... I've also been asked to give mustache rides.... So old and ugly and fat.... so what... I'm like the energizer bunny... I just keep cumming and cumming and cumming...... :p and I have no plans of going and going and going, at least, for a while yet. Have fun and enjoy... life is too short....
Tooele swingers party - - I'm in!
Cap d'Agde - Has anyone been there? - We were there last year in August for a week and are going back again this year. This is lengthy so I apologize in advance. If you want to know more just DM us privately.
It is very unique. Nothing like it anywhere in the world. During holiday (July - September) there can be up to 70,000 people in the village at any time. It feels like half of them are naturalists the other half would be swingers. The village is fenced and you do need to pay for a day pass but it's not expensive. The point is that it's a closed community so everyone is friendly, nice and chill. The village was created years ago as a vacation destination for naturalists but has been taken over by swingers just because swingers spend more money so it has been turned into catering to that crowd.
Flying into Montpelier airport is smart and cab rides to the village from the airport is only about 100 Euro from there. There are few hotels but its smarter to book an apartment on booking.com or better yet... a local french apartment booking site. You can also camp (huge camp site) but if your flying in then that is probably a bad idea. We have rented an apartment in heliopolis and this year we rented a house in the neighborhood. It's not cheap so plan on anywhere from 400 to 800 per night.
Be prepared for very few American tourists. Mostly french, dutch, germans etc... Everyone is respectful and nice. Most are fine speaking english but that could turn on you quickly if you're not careful and respectful. We really had the feeling that this was a European vacation for Europeans. They aren't expecting the typical American tourist.
There are several pool party clubs that are open during the day but are super crowded. These pools are usually indoor/outdoor in a club and its very common to see many people playing in the pool and on the side. It's definitely a huge party. It also costs about 50-100 Euro per couple per day pass. At night there are 4 good swinger clubs in the village. It's about 75 Euro to enter but you get a couple drink passes included. Upstairs is usually bright and good for lounging. Basements have large and complex array of playrooms. People aren't pushy and you have lots of options based on how many people you want to include in your situation.
The village has at least 4 grocery stores, multiple bakeries and tons of restaurants, bars, lingerie shops etc. It's amazing to walk around naked during the day and lingerie with heels at night all around the village. You need to wear clothes when you go to bars/restaurants/clubs but can opt to be naked in the grocery store. It's trippy but very freeing.
Beach has sections for families, nudists and the last section is for swingers. That section is crazy. Expect a load of single men, impromptu blowbangs/gangbangs and public sex during the day at the beach. People aren't pushy so you shouldn't be worried but it may be wise to not wander back into the dunes. Search for Cap d'Adge in PornHub if you are really curious. Those videos are 100% accurate.
European swingers are a bit different. We found the people to be stunning. Beautiful, educated, smart and sexy. But flirting is different in Europe. It's common for someone to not flirt or even make eye contact but then suddenly ask you if you're interested in playing in the playroom.
The village is so large that you have to insert yourself if you want to turn it up. We liked walking to the beach during the day, grabbing a salad at the market for lunch then dressing up (think Desire theme night or burning man) at night to go to dinner with a club afterwards.
Legit - one of the best european vacations ever. We loved it.
Swingers of Color - - We are hispanic.
swingers defined - -
swingers defined
a great clip on youtube - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O5v-6_6qat4
Are swingers moral? - Who determines what morals are? - [quote=CRAZYFOXTCU]My previous comment was in no way intended to say that soldiers are immoral. We need them and they provide a courageous service for all of us. Just to say that those who seem extreme (the gang banger) may be acting in a way we can understand and possibly relate to.[/quote]
So what you are sayting is that 9-11 was really a moral act and Iraq was simply a moral responce to that act?
Age - New to the swingers community - is age a factor in how a couple is viewed? - We are thirties...BUT prefer the older couples...and men...BUT He likes the younger women......(embarrassed giggle)....
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