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Obama's Roadtrip - - [quote]Fair enough. Then why rely on them for anything that likely wasn't adequately studied?[/quote] Likely just does not do it for me...When the numbers are given AND shown how they were gathered, I tend to believe they are fairly accurate. [quote]Let's take your Pepsi/Coke example. There is likely nothing befuddling about your scenario. Just one possibility: Where are the two Florida products bottled? Maybe it's the water.[/quote] Both bottled locally, it is chalked up to being a preferance thing. In WI, lived there for a while, it was called pop or soda, unless a VERY specific thing was needed, a Mountain Dew for instance. In the south, it is a Coke no matter what it is. If someone in the south offers a Coke, it could be Pepsi, Mountain Dew, Diet Rite, Sam's Club Soda, etc. [quote]I'm glad you agree with the logic. My Bachelor's is in Social Welfare (Psych Minor). Human nature is only a bitch of a thing when you get out there a few standard deviations. The bulk of us are as predictable as rats.[/quote] Believe it or not, I have 2 BA's (econ and int. rel.) with a minor in social work. So I am very aware of social science standards and SOME believe that we're predictable. If you have a smaller sample, we are fairly predictable, especially when the sample is taken from a specific group of people (swingers for instance, better yet, swingers in a specific region), once you get to the larger populations (nationwide for instance), human behavior is not easily quantified. Try being the ONLY conservative in all the social work classes, it was fun! Then again, opinions are like assholes, everyone has one. [quote]I propose that as an economist you are simply looking at things with a limited perspective. [/quote] Possibly, but I also have a rare ability to look at it from an outsider's view.... [quote]There is simply no question that if a person's basic needs (food and shelter) are met, there is less motivation to risk the consequences of violating societal rules.[/quote] I can see the logic of this, however, we are Americans, we always want MORE, we are constantly bombarded with images of MORE, we are constantly told that without MORE we are incomplete, etc. What are the consequences of violating societal rules? Food, shelter, clothing, TV, etc? Really tough there. Look at prisons in Mexico, if your family does not provide, you starve, more than likely. THAT is consequences, it is a deterrant (sp?). IMHO, one of the reasons for our increased crime rates is the lack of public punishment. If every time you turned around, you saw a group of people in black and white stripes mowing lawns, trimming trees, etc. on the side of the road in leg chains, it would cut crime considerably. If they did public executions, it would cut crime dramatically. Then again, I am a staunch supporter of heavy penalties for crimes, especially when they are repeat offenders, most of the social scientists are not. They want more rehab and such, which I also support, BUT only for first timers, not for repeat offenders. Anyway, I am thoroughly enjoying our debate... Next!

Mormons - - [quote=SKICOUPLE]See what I mean...who wants to question others religious motivations on a swinger site? I find it hard to believe others would fall for this question from the original post. So being in the LDS church sucks for you...move on and find some folks to get naked with.[/quote] Right on! This is a pointless, unsexy, and stupid topic to discuss on a site like this! It comes up every once in a while...super “accepting and open minded people” often are the most closed minded of them all. Right on Mormons who explore! ExMo’s, we get your bad feels... but save it for other forums. Who cares what someone’s religion is or was? Protestant, Catholic, Judaism, Muslim, Buddhists, Hindus, JW, Wiccan, agnostic or whatever; don’t knock any of them. Open mind and positive vibes peeps. We feel the same way about political discussions among swingers. Freak, this isn’t a dating website. Honestly if you’re a hater of any religion or political persuasion...save it for other places. I mean we cant stand communists but seriously we’d tap a super hot communist chick...c’mon. As if the LS isn’t lame enough in UT mixing in hate or bad vibes about any religion or lack of is SO narrow minded and UNSEXY. Live and let live. Keep it sexy people. #openmind #nojudgement

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Swinging Nude Night @ Club Hedonism Wed May 24th - - Our Dear Swingular Friends, You are invited to join us for Swinging Nude Night at Club Hedonism LAST WEEKS PARTY WAS SUCH A HIT AND A BIG THANK YOU GOES OUT TO ALL THE SEXY SWINGULAR COUPLES THAT ATTENDED ,SOOO ,,WE HAVE TO DO IT AGAIN LOL WEDNESDAY MAY 24TH ANOTHER SWINGING NUDE NIGHT!!!! Location: Club Hedonism 1000 East Sample Rd. Pompano Beach, Fl Exit 39 1 mile east Date: Wednesday, May 24th, 2006 Time: 8:00 pm to 4:00 am The XXXcitement never ends at, South Florida's premier elegant, private, intimate lifestyle club for the sophisticated and the adventurous... SPECIAL ANNOUNCEMENT! The results from our most recent ONLINE POLL are in! We asked, "Which Wednesday Swingin' Nude Night do you prefer..... Couples Only? or Couples & Singles Mixed?" It was a close call, the votes were tied, and then COUPLES ONLY landed the winning vote just seconds before the poll ended! BUT.... We were truly impressed with the voting action, so we're making our first Wednesday Swingin' Nude Night a night that EVERYONE will enjoy! Club Hedonism's First SWINGIN' NUDE NIGHT WEDNESDAY, MAY 17TH SKIN IS IN ..... CLOTHING IS OPTIONAL The Main Club Bar and Front Playrooms will be open to COUPLES & SINGLES MIXED The Fantasy Bar and Lounge Playrooms will be open to COUPLES ONLY ______________________________________________ XXX JELLO BODY SHOTS WILL BE SERVED IN BOTH BARS! ______________________________________________ "FRED" OUR HOUSE SYBIAN will be giving "Free Mustache Rides" in The Fantasy Lounge RIDE HIM TIL YOU SCREAM FOR A FREE WEEKEND CLUB PASS !!! ______________________________________________ DOORS OPEN AT 8PM.... Come early & then come all night long! *Member Couples..... just $35 at the door *Member Ladies.............. never a door fee *Member Gentlemen..... just $50 at the door *All New Memberships Purchased Tonight are HALF PRICE in honor of May Madness! Flirt... Mingle... Play... *NUDE* with South Florida's SEXIEST FRIENDLIEST SWINGERS at... CLUB HEDONISM 1000 East Sample Road Pompano Beach, FL 33064 (954) 783 - 4741 www.clubhedonism.com ____________________________ PS: ___________________________ PROPER DRESS CODE EVERY NIGHT No shorts, jeans, sneakers, sandals, t-shirts or hats. Gentlemen: dress like one ... Ladies: dress for seduction (The club reserves the right to refuse service and/or admittance based on appearance and/or attitude) ____________________________________________________________ Birthdays, Anniversaries, Special Ocassions Contact us... We'll help you make it a night to remember! ____________________________________________________________ We welcome your comments, suggestions and questions via email at: [email protected] ____________________________________________________________ Subscribe or unsubscribe to this newsletter at the subscription link on our website or click here: http://clubhedonism.com/subscribe.htm

Who is going to Younge swingers week HEDO? - anyone going? - We are going but will be there for Secret Crush Week. Feb. 4th-11th.

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Appropriate Parameters of Sexual Conduct in Modern Society - Should sex still have a unique status or just be another hobby? - Beard, You did open something up but I'm not sure what. I had to copy and paste your original here so I didn't miss or get too confused.. One of your last points first: Moral refers to standards as defined by the church, the government or your neighbors(in light of the Supreme Court decission a few years ago about porn) Ethics, on the other hand are something that we define for ourselves based on our upbringing/environment and values that we have defined based on whatever we base them on. You are right that marriage is a concept designed by religion and the government for the care of offspring and the clear definition of linage for property rights. You use the term marriage, which is a legal term like it is a moral imperative then ask if it should be based on some one or group of common interrests. Then the next breath you suggest that marriage is supposed to be more than any of that and something to do with sharing and intimacy. Finally you go back to somehow trying to make a point, (I'm not sure what that point was) that maybe there should be a conglomerate of reasons for marriage then with the nesxt breath you ask if sex should be forbidden.. Now lets see if this makes any sense to anyone. I'm poly and We swing. I have a lover who is married and her husband knows or us(he is not poly) and B knows of us and we are all good friends. We are, my lover and I, intimate both emotionally and sexually and both non poly mates knowof this. B and I are very much soulmates but then my lover is also very close to that as well. I do not wish to take her away from her husband and I do not wish to replace B. She does not want to replace her husband with me and we are alll OK with that arrangement. In my heart of heart I am married to both in a very intimate way although I do not wish to procreate with anyone anymore. She feels the same way toward me. I would submit that marriage is an intimate, emotional and sometimes physical union of people.. I did not say two people I said people. We have been taught sex as a negative thing and relationships with more than one as a negative thing because we cannot love more than one person or more than one at any one time... I submit that we can love more than one and that the more we love the more we get back from that... Swinging is started off as fun between close friends and sometimes the term wife swapping became a reality.... Sex is fun adn swinging is about sex and today alot of times about relationships. Relationships in my opinion are for the benefit of everyone involved... . So I'm not sure if I understood where you were going but this is my take on the propositions as I understood them. Depending on any person's opinion or preferences sex and love can be the same or they can be separate or they can be coincidental but it's basically up to that person or couple to make that determination.... We, in the lifestyle, may ultimately be right and marriage may change to a more contractual thing rather than some sacrosanct BS that it has become.... Swingers as a group have more than 3.4 time greater chance of remaining married than that of non swingers. The range of failed marriages is between 66 and 77% in all first and second marriages and some 70% of all married people cheat on their mates. Swinger have a better than 85% chance of marriage survival. Cheating is not exempt in Swinging but I think is is greatly reduced... I think as swingers we have sex with friends and it can be just that or it can be more... at least for me..

Secret Swingers Club Ogden, UT - Clubs - We are going to unspoken tomorrow night. Anyone else going?

Swingers gone bad?? - - We agree these people are not swingers and should not be even close to the class of swingers.

Drink of choice - - Thanks you sexy swingers! Love the advice and the information.