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ogden meet and great - - [quote=UTAH-CPLE-2006]It seems having it in a "closed off" area just invites scrutiny. Look at habits, its not private but they had meet and greets there for years. You can have one at any bar, just a group of friends out for the evening and then if you do run into someone and they say "there are swingers here..." you just go really? where? lol[/quote] I agree...people get flirty & naughty in clubs all the time. What's to hide? If you're concerned about someone you know outside the LS seeing you flirting with another, just remember sometimes NOT touching can be great foreplay too. ;) It's just a meet and greet. It's a bunch of people getting together & loving life! No need to be separated if it's not easily available. Looks like Ogden needs something like this. Good idea to organize. :)

Mormons - - We have met a lot of ex mormons on this site that are a blast to party with. Based on what we know of the LDS church it is very restrictive on most matters involving pleasures outside of the teachings of the church. With all that being said we don't feel like religion plays much of a part in swinging. We usually don't discuss it and we are skeptical when others do. Discussing religion on a swingers site just doesn't seem right to us especially when others in your religion may hold it against you. We don't care what religion you are, what your politics are or what ethnic group your from. We just look for those we are attracted to and whom we can make a connection with both mentally and physically. If we all decide to get naked together then that makes things even better.

Are swingers moral? - Who determines what morals are? - [quote=CRAZYFOXTCU]My previous comment was in no way intended to say that soldiers are immoral. We need them and they provide a courageous service for all of us. Just to say that those who seem extreme (the gang banger) may be acting in a way we can understand and possibly relate to.[/quote] So what you are sayting is that 9-11 was really a moral act and Iraq was simply a moral responce to that act?

Help With Wife - Wife has fantasies but is super hesitant to experiment. - [quote=EVILDOERS]Personally I think you might be a little too eager (can't blame you, we all were when we started) and pushing just a little too hard to make her fantasy a reality. Rather than trying to find a way to get around the "Catch 22" of her fantasy maybe just explore it more verbally and see if it evolves into some kind of scenario that she is comfortable with that more easily can happen in the real world. The most successful swingers we know, ourselves included, arrived at where they are by being open and supportive of each other's fantasies and desires without forcing them in any way. In other words, be patient, explore your fantasies verbally and maybe role play, a LOT, with each other before you jump into anything that either of you isn't quite ready for. You might be surprised as you fantasize openly and honestly how your fantasies might evolve and become something that you eventually can and will make a reality. You know your wife better than anyone and maybe she does need a little nudge but most of the swingers we've known over the years who've crashed and burned did so because one partner pushed the limits too fast and didn't wait for the more hesitant partner to catch up. In our case we were quite surprised and what our fantasies morphed into when we really dug deep and talked about the truly deviant (by local standards anyway-lol) aspects of our fantasies. Sorry, I know that's probably not the kind of advice you were hoping for but it's been our observation over a rather lengthy swinging career. Another thought, if you're bound and determined to make your first swinging experience a MFM, is to find a guy who is okay with just watching you two play or maybe getting involved in some soft swinging...i.e. back rubs and or touching but no intercourse. We were soft swap for the first year or two of our swinging life and it was great fun and took the pressure off until we were ready to take the next step. Best of luck! edit- Sorry about what now seems like a long rambling response. In my defense it was pre-coffee. [em]Emo_79[/em] [/quote] Damnit! Evildoers is right again!

Polyamory anybody? - - [quote=2nu1s]We've been searching for the ever elusive "Unicorn" for 20+ YEARS, and have yet to find even ONE lady who is real, serious, sincere, NOT all talk, who is interested in more than just sex only, and who is really ready to pursue a truly poly relationship. What are they so afraid of??? Our favorite line has become "ONLY in the movies"![/quote] “Girls just wanna have fun!” If I’ve ever seen a post or profile that is a huge red flag for single ladies in the lifestyle, it’s this one. Holy shit. The whole purpose of them join us swingers is to remove all the boundaries, clingyness, relationships, and drama. Having a relationship with one partner is hard enough let alone two partners. 🤦‍♂️ Maybe instead of griping that no single woman wants to enter as a third in a lifelong relationship with you two, start with asking them to commit to a 10 minute drink at the bar, if that’s fun maybe have a second drink....and go from there?!

Private Pic BullSh**T! - - [quote=SHERA_HEMAN3]I don't get it. We are on a sight to see if we wanna share each other. Why not show everyrhing up front. It's not like i dont want someone with the sane intrests to see what i look like. Why do we have to be private. Ultimatly we are all here for the same thing does it matter if another swinger sees your face. Lol two cents. [/quote] I guess my point is that if other swingers were the only people on here, it wouldn't matter. However, this is and open website that excepts anyone temporarily and anyone permanently with enough cash. THEY DON'T DO BACKGROUND CHECKS! There are a lot of liars on here, plus occasional law enforcement and self righteous do-gooding crusaders. Don't assume its just the ones who hide their faces. And don't criticize me if I choose to be more cautious than you. I may be in a position in my private live where that is necessary. Look at all the trouble facebook causes people looking for a job. Can you imagine if they started checking swingular? Besides I'm in Utah. This is the state where the Church sends people down to Trails to record license plates. This is the state that requires your name be entered into a data base when you go to a bar or strip club. This is the state that allows the printing of a weekly newspaper that shows the arrest report and photo of anyone taken into custody, locally or state wide. I live in Utah. I'm paranoid for a reason.

Pineapple Stickers - pineapple sticker = swingers? - I read a recent post on whisper that a pineapple sticker on your car means you're a swinger. Any truth to this?

LDS Swingers Survey - Will any former/active LDS swingers take my survey? - Completed

Kik group for UT swingers. - Contact me if your interested in joining a KIK group for Swingers - Interested here.

Swingers In Uniform - Pay your memorial day respects here. - I'd like to make a distinction here, if I might. I'm always a little disappointed when I read about Veterans on Memorial Day. Not to find fault, at all, mind you - but let me explain... I'm as grateful as anyone for our Veterans; the people who served (and still do) every day to defend our way of life. They are, without questions, this nation's very best. I was one of them, and my wife...so we know the very special sacrifices that every Veteran makes; every Veteran's family makes... But, remember: we have a day, just for remembering those people: It's November the 11th, and while it started out being called 'Armistice Day', it is now called 'Veterans Day'. That, my friends, is the day to show how much you appreciate what those people do. But what of today? What about Memorial Day? Well, as an honorably discharged Veteran, and a military brat...I'm very glad you all feel so proud, and I'd trade nothing for the privilege of serving this country as I did. But Memorial Day's not for me. In spite of anything I may have done for this country - regardless of whatever sacrifice I may have made...I did not pay the price that Memorial Day is intended to honor. I wrote a poem, and I hope you can understand the meaning... ____________________________________________________ Don't remember me today, for I didn't pay the price Shed a tear and say your thanks for one who sacrificed my time was short in uniform thank God I was not killed my fallen brothers wear today that which they always will My time will come, on Veteran's day and I will proudly smile if you extend your thanks to me for going an extra mile They gave their all so we could say we live forever free so for today, I ask you please to not remember me... ____________________________________________________ Finally, because I'm always compelled to remember the great sacrifice and honor with which some did serve...and page from history: ____________________________________________________ Lydia Bixby, November 21, 1864 Dear Madam, I have been shown in the files of the War Department, a statement of the Adjutant General Of Massachusetts, that you are the mother of five sons who have died gloriously on the field of battle. I feel how weak and fruitless must be any words of mine which should attempt to beguile you from the grief of a loss so overwhelming. But I cannot refrain from tendering to you the consolation that may be found in the thanks of the Republic they died to save. I pray that our Heavenly Father may assuage the anguish of your bereavement, and leave you only the cherished memory of the loved and lost, and the solemn pride that must be yours, to have laid so costly a sacrific upon the altar of freedom. Yours, very sincerely and respectfully, A. Lincoln ____________________________________________________ Folks, let's all please try to remember, when it's Memorial Day: "...to have laid so costly a sacrific upon the altar of freedom" Take care, now. 2