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Same Sex Marriage - If you support - Well to make clear this is the MRS part of Stitchutah, I can't speak for him. As for me, I have to admit there are some of you whom posted that make some good points, and then there are some that make no sense to the forum at all. LOL! I really like some of your opinions and you make good points, such as Kinbaku, Thoughtgarden, and to some extent REally98. I have to say though that even though I have read every post to this topic I really don't know where I stand on this issue of same sex marriage. I have to be honest and say, I am torn. Some of you can respect that and others will bash it, but either way.....its just honesty. I really like Kinbaku's point about who are we as swingers to judge a non traditional marriage when none of us married couples that swing and have open marriages can be considered "traditional" to the rest of the world. Infact, there are a lot of those outside of swingworld that place high judgement on our choice of lifestyle just as they do same sex marriages. ONe of you commented on (I can't remember who, maybe it was TR) or rather, asked how those that didn't agree with same sex marriages would feel if they couldn't be married to their spouse legally (excuse me if I got that question wrong, I believe that is how it was put) and I have to say to that.....being on both sides of the fence here, that if I couldn't be married to Mr Stitch, whom I love and cherish and will love and cherish for my entire life (just as I am sure a gay couple feels for their life partner) marriage to him does not change my feelings for him. I would still be with him, I would still love him just the same, my life wouldn't change as far as how I live or feel. I would still have my children and so forth. The only things it would change (which, mind you, are huge and helpful in our marriage) is our legal rights such as tax benefits, insurance (we don't have anyhow, but at least we have the option), and other things that I am not fully aware of I even have rights to. I am sure I take those rights for granited as I am sure other married couples do as well. I don't argue that point, at all. However, isn't there, and tell me if I am wrong, ways around some of those legal issues some of you have brought up (medical rights, when decision can't be made by person) by putting in a living will whom you've appointed power of attorney too? If same sex couples can't legally be married by laws set forth by the government then they just need to take extra precautions to protect what they can. They need to be proactive by doing whatever they can to protect their union. Yes, there are some things they won't be able to do anything about unless the law is changed, but there are some thing they can do, and they should do. Like I said, I still don't know what side of the fence I fall on.....I don't entirely agree with same sex marriage, however, I don't entirely disagree with it either. It to me is a complicated issue, and its very possible that I complicate it myself. Where I agree with REALLY98 ( I believe is their names) is where they state....where do you draw the line? The government has a hand in almost everything we do, including marriage, and there isn't anything we can really do to change that. I tend to agree with the statement that somewhere down the road if we move that line and say...Okay, same sex marriage is legal, then some ppl may argue well, okay, same sex marriage is okay so now, me and my spouse want to be married to our girlfriend/boyfriend or hell the couple we swing with,...... now why can't we do that, marriage isn't defined anymore as just man and women, so why isn't my rights to legalize poly okay? Some may argue, that it would never happen, but I am posistive that if you ask older ppl in the community that if they thought they'd ever see same sex marriage being brought up I am sure they would say HELL NO, we thought we'd never see that day, and yet, here it is! I just thought that was a good point that Really98 made.....now, the whole marrying an animal thing, ugggh, I really hope that day never comes, but then again, you never know what some ppl might do. (GRIN). I, for one, never will judge a same sex couple....nor do I want to EVER seem as though I am judging them. I guess I really don't think there is anything wrong with same sex marriage, truthfully. The conclusion I have made for myself is....I will live my life with my family and do what I can to raise my children to be tolerate, loving, and non judgemental. We try everyday to raise them to make their own decisions based on how THEY feel about things, not what others think (and if you don't think that isn't a task, it certainly is!!!) I think this world is getting to be more and more complicated, and it will only get worse b4 it gets better (no, I am not a dooms day person) and all we can do as parents and as a family is protect whom we love the most that being, eachother, and our children. Thats all, I am sure, everyone wants to do here whether same sex or "traditional" (however you define that) so I suppose we are really have the same agenda in mind, right?

International Swingers Day - How are you celebrating? - [quote=EVILDOERS]Pretty normal evening then I take it.[/quote]

Who is going to Younge swingers week HEDO? - anyone going? - It's already sold out that week right?

Only 12 couples within 100 miles on our search - Just using the search criterion of :non smoking, slim or athletic, 35-55, couples, soft swap yes, st - Just to make sure the point has been made. [quote]RESULTS: Of 8971 consultations, 12% comprised swingers (median age 43 years, IQR 38-48). Overall, STI prevalence was highest in youth, men who have sex with men (MSM) and swingers. Older swingers had a CT prevalence of 10% and an NG prevalence of 4%. The share in STI diagnoses in the older age group (>45 years) comprised 55% for swingers and 31% for MSM. CONCLUSIONS: Swingers comprise a substantial proportion of STI consultations. They are a mainly older age group and form an important part of STI diagnoses. While other risk groups for STI, such as young heterosexuals and MSM, are systematically identified at STI healthcare facilities and provided with appropriate services, this is generally not the case for swingers. Swingers, like other groups with risk behaviours, need to be identified and treated as a risk group in STI prevention and care.[/quote] So that means OLDER swingers such as yourselves have a higher risk of sti then bi or gay men. A gay or bi man is more likely to protect him self then a older straight man and woman but they still engage in anal and oral sex just the same. All swinging and adventure life styles are risky not just bi-men/women.

hall passes - valid? - One of the deep dark secrets of swinging is that swingers don't magically have a corner on the honesty market. (GASP! I know, right?) And despite the fact that it seems somewhat counterintuitive, for some people, thumbing their noses at society's norms by fucking each other's spouses just isn't quite naughty enough. Nope, for them, they just have to add the extra dimension of sneaking around and lying about it. I think it reminds them of hiding their Playboys under the mattress when they were younger. Personally, we try to avoid people with the emotional maturity of Donald Trump. [em]Emo_67[/em]

Fantasy Fest 2009 in Key West - Looking for others planning to go - we can post other thread later like where will you be at FF and when. The Garden of eden above the bull and whistle is clothing optional bar day & night. It is another good meet up spot for swingers.

Oprah show on Swingers - - Found the schedule... i.e., June 30 and I found a video clip, trailers, but not the time.. East coast here.. Does anyone know what time it will air on the 30th? Thank you, in advance.. Ray

Peta....are you a fan? - Their "State of the Union" message. - LMAO.....SLOWHAND311... this little fugger is quick on the draw! "I can fight fire with fire and give this stooge a taste of his own medicine" Donald, I really don't post on this forum much , it's about 2-years behind what is considered "Acceptable" behavior In (Other Swingers Forum) you would be beaten like a red haired step child for forcing us to down load your Prince hair doo over and over.

female AGE turn on-off - - SPERM, You are a class A jackass. Pleae take your cheating ass elsewhere. Your words spit on everything that real swingers believe in. You make me sick. Mrs Classy

Swingers In Uniform - Pay your memorial day respects here. - Intelligence comes in all forms, and all that drabble that oozes from your mouth tells me you might just be book smart, but you like so many other's who become Educated through our wonderful highly expensive schools seem to end up loosing common sense. I'd love to see you spend a long winter in the mountains of Colorado or the Back Hills of Tennessee with nothing but the clothes on your back and a few bare necessaties. Let's just see how DARN SMART you are then. I believe that the people who you seem to think are NOT INTELLIGENT, the ones who know how to take care of themselves, are also the ones who CHOOSE to defend your rights to sprew such BS. All your book learning won't mean anything when some asshole comes knocking on your door. So all I can say is WELCOME to this COUNTRY, and to all the STUPID MF'S (according to you anyway) who are DUMB enough to stick out their necks when it's really your's that is the one in trouble. I'm sitting here shaking my head because ONCE AGAIN I've been STUPID ENOUGH to allow myself to be drug into a discussion with someone who can only insult others with his HIGH DOLLAR EDUCATION. Where I come from we had a saying, "That person just don't have any fetching up". Totally agree with you BLVLCPL let's do that. And yes the style of argument does have a very similar ring to to doesn't it.