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Small Admission Fee - Come join us but pay a small fee - God I love a bashing party and with nothing to do can't resist jumping in. Even though I love to be a smart ass sorry Dave I can't bash you, you did nothing wrong by defending yourself against this garbage post and have harmed me in no way so maybe another time. As for the rest of you that have spoken wisdom and given me the right to express mine I thank you. Now Mav I would like to know how your created such a following with your words of wisdom or maybe it's the smell of horse shit that attracts them. You have made a total of 6 comments. First Comment I'm all about helping cover hotel costs but "bring a bottle and a small admission fee of $50" seems rather excessive. Shouldn't the costs of the room be divvied up evenly? This seems like prostitution to me. OK I was the dumb one here thinking it was a legitimate question and answered it not knowing you were about to name and judge someone you had no right to. Now your second comment I love and my favorite reason to bash anyone that chooses to make newbies feel stupid then feed them garbage that makes no sense.. I wonder how many good people left the site thanks to you. I understand newbies can say some really dumb shit at times but unlike you I try and give a real answer GILDETHRILL wrote I would say $50 is fine for single guys! To help pay for the room cuz all your really going to be doing is fucking the woman that come and 90% of the time men out number the woman! But if there was a party that the woman out numbered the men, then the woman should pay to cover costs! Spoken like a total nube. Member since August 2014. Mav you said. No, it is not all right to discriminate. If you like that scene, go for it. Or you could have some class and hold out for the couple/single/group that truly appreciates you. WTF are you saying he is discriminating against women, men, money? Did you tell him anything that made sense at all? Now my answer to you GILDETHRILL would be why don't you do one for yourself and tell all the women for fifty bucks,,,, no wait for free they can have you. Well I think you can guess within one how many will show up. See women don't think like us men and have the urge to stick anything that will spread their legs. It also is why an event charges double for men and free for women, it evens things up a little, if it was the other way around a lot of single guys would be standing around with dick in hand wondering where the women were. Now number three and your legal advice all I have to say is next time I need legal advice I would ask the horse your sitting on before you. WOW! Never saw the lawsuit angle coming. I'm not surprised often but DAMN! Totally got me. Just remember everyone, the single most effective defense against libel is THE TRUTH! You can't be sued for saying what someone ACTUALLY did. So, feel free to post away what was said between people. And notice I am talking in generalities. Not giving legal advice, just common knowledge. Your fourth comment came after SheLove wrote Utah people are such tight asses with there money. Where can you get layed for under $50. Really. Grow some balls. You said SheLove, it isn't about the money. It is about sex for money. That is called prostitution. Do you not see that? The lifestyle is not about paying for sex. It is about consenting adults having fun for the sake of having fun. No money involved. Now I'm a little confused because I consider sex a type of entertainment. So I'm trying to think of something fun that wouldn't cost me a dime. Lets see solitaire na need to buy cards, wait after some thought my sock puppet will always join me for free, O shit I forgot to wash it last time and that costs money. So Mav I have to ask what exactly is sex to you anyway, your profile says nothing of what your willing to GIVE a lady to make it worth her time. And so you understand I'm not talking about money. Do you have a big dick, know how to use your tongue or fingers. Or do you just roll over on your back and tell her to please you because it's a womans job and not worth a cent anyway. Next you said Now he is advertising the orgy on craigslist!! Come on now it that the best news from craigs you have to tell us. What about this one did you post it? Its late, any ladies interested in some black cock tonight?8/7 - m4w 25 (University of Utah ) Then comes this piece of work OK, I've had a change of mind based on the opinions presented here. CrazyDave is a businessman like other posts and hosts. I cannot hold that against him. His tactics, well, that is questionable. But others are doing it as well. So, go forth and party CrazyDave. $50 isn't that bad off considering the costs of other parties. A Little Magic: if you DEMAND that I pay for everything to EXPECT sex, then yes, that is prostitution. If you ask me to pay for everything in 2014, then we would never go out. There isn't anything less sexy than a woman wanting the guy to pay for everything. Hike up that skirt and join 2014. You insult Dave, anyone that posts, hosts of parties others. Then called a very sweet lady that has foot the bill for a guy more times than you know a PROSTITUTE. What I don't get is how without a single nice good word about anyone you managed to put together a wonderful fallowing of perfect swingers, maybe you should think about a group of your own called bashing swingers enter at your own risk. If only I wasn't tired I could comment about their worthless bashing and speculation. [em]Emo_60[/em]

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Porn - - (from Terry) We have to remember that the people making porn aren't doing it for our actual personal pleasure or even our entertainment. They're in it as a business. So they want to pump out, as quickly as possible, whatever will have the largest audience. Or what they think will have the largest audience. I think that's why they do so many shots of the guy's dick pumping in and out of her pussy or her ass, so many shots of just her face and his dick while she's sucking it, of the girl's tongue in the other girl's pussy, etc. Apparently, either that's what really does it for most people or it's what they think does it for most people. I find 5 minutes of a dick pumping a pussy, or of the other kinds of things I mentioned, boring. Yeah, I do want to see the actual "sex", but I also want to see the people, not just the parts of them that are involved directly in whatever sex act it is. I want to see how they feel, how they react to each other. And I want to see what led up to the sex act, how they got there, and not one of the ridiculously phony scenarios that most porn vids use. But we also have to remember that we're a minority. Even with all the diversity among swingers, we do have one thing in common, which is a different overall attitude towards sex than that which those living in the vanilla world have. If that weren't the case, we .wouldn't be here. There wouldn't even be a lifestyle, because it would be what everybody did. So it isn

Swinger & 🦄 Bait - An experiment to attract swingers and unicorns. - Lol. I think about 9months ago a couple asked me some questions about pineapples in a cart and if I knew what it meant.. I said nope and really did not.. now that I am here and woke it all makes so much sense. I think the pineapple in the physical cart is interesting BUT having a pineapple in the cart conversation and showing a picture of pineapple in the cart may also be more interesting and effective.. and when it comes to pineapple in the cart.. lol. I am pretty sure I can construct a few open ended comments and reply seeking questions

STD/STI Testing - - [quote=TOKI_WARTOOTH][quote=MAYBEMOR]This is the attitude we find so prevalent!!! Play on to your hearts content. [/quote] We can be tested regularly and play safe without being a paranoid little jackwagon. Maybe the attitude you have is why your postings got deleted off other sites.[/quote] No, Toki, you are the Jackwagon! The way you responded to this thread is an obvious display of your lack of intelligence about this issue. Maybemor and others are just attempting to make this lifestyle a little safer for all involved. Not sure if you read much but there was a situation recently in Kansas City where a man and his wife were HIV Positive and managed to put a number of people at risk of contracting HIV, and these are supposedly "swingers" who know better. I've been to parties for over 4 years!! Not everyone uses condoms. Maybe you do! But even a condom isn't going to protect you against Herpes!! You always use latex with oral sex Toki.. hmm... probably not.. and guess what, you are putting yourself at risk for Herpes! Even if you get tested for Herpes you still are at risk. You could have contracted it on the weekend, go in on Monday get tested, the whole gamut of tests, get negatives on everything. Then two to three weeks later you come down with itchy bumps that turn into sores, oh shit, guess what.. yep.. you just were infected and are now positive for Herpes.. Why.. because you don't get it!!! The reason we need more people to talk about this is people are getting STD's on this site and others like it. I applaud Rob and his willingness to do what some of you may think is not needed. Toki is a prime example of why you don't play with just anyone! Sure you can't stop everything all the time, and frankly anytime you have sex with multiple partners it's a risk. But let's not be stupid folks, let's be careful. You only have this life to live, why fuck it up for yourself and the one you love because you are stupid? PS.. I wrote a long post a few months ago about our own experience with the STD issue. I received a number of posts about others who carry HSV2. Interesting thing is some of these people who have HSV2, DO NOT always tell their potential partners they have the disease. Why? PURE IGNORANCE or just they don't give a shit (which is worse). I want to make sure everyone knows, this is MR ABC who is writing this post.

We have heard about it many times........... - Couples that are swingers - I don't kiss and tell but I am so angry.....this was the second time we played. I should have known but they said they were quiet and we just assumed they needed to get to know us and open up. They sure talked a lot pre 2nd playtime how fun it was gonna be etc. The guy asked the girl to leave in the middle of it without any explanation!!! Our intention of this post is only to avoid this in the future. We are really a fun couple and are very disappointed. We look forward to more mature, secure couples to get to know. Obvousily they weren't ready or on the same page. We really want all the couples that we play with to be 110% comfortable and both parties are into the situation and want to play.

swingers defined - - [quote=KIDSATPLAY]How would you define yourself? How would you defend yourself if a respected vanilla challenged your lifestyle? [/quote] sex is sex and love is love... one has nothing to do with the other, but together they are amazing! the way I see it, he is mine and any girls who may come along are just fun sex toys for him.

Can bieng Mormon (LDS) and a Swinger co-exist? - - Having been raised as a mormon, I always took to heart the teachings that "My Father's house has many manisions" In my humble opinion, even the mormon church has a place in heaven for all of us swingers. The rank and file members may think and treat us differently, but in the end there is a place for all. It is impossible to reconcile the teachings of any religion with the swinger lifestyle, and we each have to make our own peace with that. Just my 2 cents for whatever it's worth :) Mr Closer

Lifestyle Stats - - According to Wikipedia there are over 4 million swingers in America. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swinging Given that there are about 315.5 million people in America and that about 189 million of them are ages 21 to 65, here are some interesting stats on Swingers in the population. If you're flying on an average Boeing 737, there are 4 swingers on-board. Rice-Eccles stadium would have about 968 swingers at a sold out game. A sold out Jazz game at Energy Solutions Arena would have 421 swingers cheering on their team. An average Utah movie theater might have as many as 5 swingers viewing an R rated movie. Madison Square Gardens would entertain 423 swingers at any given event. Pioneer Theater might have 20 in the lifestyle at one of it's shows. Going to a convention at the Southtowne Center; you'll enjoy the company of 572 swingers. Hale Center Theater might have 13 at one of it's shows. The Outdoor Retailers Winter Market appealed to as many as 174 swingers. You might be skiing with 138 swingers if you're going to Deer Valley. The average cruise ship might have 47 swingers aboard. A Utah Walmart sells to something like 71 swingers each day. If you're riding TRAX, so are 445 other swingers each day. If you ran the Salt Lake Marathon, you did so with 22 swingers. The Big Cottonwood Marathon didn't have as many, only about 19. Here are the big ones. Sturgis Motorcycle Rally - 10,584 swingers (not really a surprise). This one surprised me - Hot August Nights might have a whopping 16,935 swingers checking out the rod and custom cars. Amazing! So if you're worried about running into another member of the lifestyle you can quit worrying. You're running into them on a real regular basis. You just might not know it. Based on the national statistics, there are actually about 36,624 swingers in Utah. That's more than 1 person in 50. How many people do you know? Mr. Sexperimentors PS. Imagine what it would be like if the entire lifestyle population of Utah partied together!

Help us out.. Take this Survey - For Utah Swingers - So the results are super interesting, and there are a lot of early/obvious conclusions... but I'll wait to share the complete data set until there are a few more responses... (Over 300 couples have already responded, which is more than enough to be statistically significant).