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Looking to establish a group of safe swingers - - This sounds like a fantastic concept. We have had some groups over the years that have been a great time. Unfortunately people move or leave the lifestyle so it never lasts forever. We are interested though

Why do they run? - Why do most couples run when you suggest a real full swap? - I am certain that insecurity has no bearing on the decisions that we make in regard to the lifestyle. What you are suggesting simply isnt for us. We take so much from being in close proximity to each other during our encounters that it would render the experience...perhaps ackward or fruitless, for lack of a better term. There is a reason that so many couples run from the possibility of what you call \"full swap\". Many years ago when we were first introduced to the lifestyle, \"full swap\" entailed having sexual intercourse with another couple. \"Soft swap\" meant oral play or touching only, no intercourse. Perhaps the deffinition has changed over the years... I am certain that what you are describing is closer to what traditional polyamory is all about. In fact, there is a reason why the couples that you approach about this subject \"run like the wind\" as you call it. More times than not, it has proven to be destructive to the relationships in question. Best intentions or not, we are all human. Shit happens. Most seasoned swingers know this, and avoid this situation at all costs. Most of the relationships that we have seen over the years that were as you describe ended in ruin. Most of the people that we have known to consider this method were (coincidentally) new swingers, who had not yet developed a sense of direction or an identity in the lifestyle. There are some mistakes that you can make in the lifestlye without jeopadizing your standing with your mate. There are some that you simply can not. What you are suggesting to other couples, while it may seem like something that would be fun and cool, has proven to be atleast problematic to many other people. Just our .02 cents. Best of luck to you both. Luvbugs! (mR.) :D

Lack of Communication - Is it really that hard? - I've been thinking about this thread (and other's like it...they seem to come along every few months or so, along with the ones about whether or not condoms are a good idea or whether we're just caving to the big latex conglomerates) and I have a few additional thoughts. First, many (most?) emails we receive seem to have about as much thought put into them as one might put into which side of their hamburger to start eating on. If they aren't spammed out to multiple people the senders, at very least, don't seem to have the verbal capacity to write anything beyond, "We seen yer add and wanna put our naughty bits in yer naughty bits." [SIC] Is it that hard to include a little tidbit or two about WHY you think we might be a good match for you and why we would want to take time out of our busy lives to meet with you? And the few that DO contain more than a generic greeting or poorly thought out pick up line have obviously not read our profile (don't necessarily blame them...takes a minimum of a couple of hours to slog through) and don't know what we are and are not looking for. For Christ's sake, give us at least ONE compelling reason why you think we'd like to meet you such as, "We love fisting out stuffed ferrets too and also worship Satan as our lord and master. Let's have coffee." Second, when did we all become such Tender Heart Care Bears? And why do we necessarily feel entitled to a response to a more often than not spammed out email from people wanting to perv our locked pics? I've only written back to that nice Nigerian prince like ten or fifteen times before I finally got tired of him asking for my checking account number. Do you call back every carpet cleaning company that leaves a message on your voice mail? Do you send a nice polite note back the the guy who's running for president for the Violent Tyrannical Dictator Party and wants you to donate to his campaign fund? I mean, he was even nice enough to send you a self addressed stamped envelope. So maybe put a little thought into your solicitations. Give people a compelling reason to write you back beyond, "OMG, you're swingers? We're swingers too. We should totally fuck!". This goes double for single guys. Read the profile...even if you have to do it over two or three nights and use a dictionary to look up the big words. Take note of what people are and aren't looking for and especially if they mention your particular demographic. And last but not least, Don't worry about it if someone doesn't write you back. For all you know they've just survived a horrific bumper car accident at Lagoon or maybe they're 2 days in to binge watching all nine seasons of Matlock and haven't eaten or slept for two days. If you're consistently not getting any responses to your emails maybe you're fishin' in the wrong pond. Take a good long hard look in the mirror and ask yourself honestly if Angelina Jolie REALLY would like to fuck you or if you're more likely to hit it off with Steve Buscemi or Nick Nolte. [img]http://41.media.tumblr.com/5aeb01c341f821494d4f928ab96c1ed0/tumblr_n9id25LoID1skhtbpo1_500.jpg[/img] [img]http://images.complex.com/complex/image/upload/t_article_image/tkv4iaprkfruehfvnhpn.jpg[/img]

Vegas next week - Not this week (11/3) but next week (11/9) - The Adult Indusry show in Vegas is on Jan 8th, 9th, and 10th. The three clubs that are having swingers during that weekend are Cathouse, MIX, and ASIA. IF you want to get in with the in crowd of local swingers get with PerfectLV. Think they have a website. J&L

What if??? - Some body's worst night mare. - My worst nightmare involves spiders and rollercoasters. Not really much to do with swingers and/or my parents. :p

Alternate Semi Swinging Site? - FInding the right connections - While the commonly used definition of swingers is: couples who swap with another couple, it's all under the umbrella of Open relationships. It's a gradient, like many things to do with sexuality. We're not traditional swingers, but have on occasion. Some people like full swap, some soft, some like to cuck or be cuckolded (is that 'for everyone?' Sure, if everyone involved is getting something they enjoy and want out of it), or woman-on-woman play between couples. As long as it's open, honest, ethical and not coerced, and is enjoyable and emotionally healthy for everyone involved, go have your flavor of fun! We love being around sex-positive open-minded people, and if a situation happens organically, it happens. Completely enjoy doing same-room/own partner or girl-on-girl things, and become flirty partysexuals. And, we LOVE voyeur, exhibitionism, kink and sensual play, and usually have a few fun situations going at most parties, and even more so privately or in our smaller, more intimate gatherings. We love to watch, be watched, be around sexy people, even more so as the clothes come off, and find that threesomes are what we organically find more often than other situations. (She's bi, and dated women exclusively for a decade, so loves pursuing that) Do what works for you and makes you happy. Communication is key. Definitions and expectations can sometimes lead to miscues, so say more up front about what you are looking for and find those who are interested in the same.

Swingers Party - Doesnt mean who ever is there is open to everyone elsa - That behavior is WAY out of line! We have been to dozens of parties in several states and only come across a very few people like that. Normally the host will ask them to leave - the majority of couples won't stand for it. You seem to be a very respectable couple given that you handled the situation with so much dignity. Wish you lived closer to us so we could introduce ourselves!

Where on Earth are all the hot Virginia Swingers? - Show us what you have to offer VA!!! - Checking in with the "roll call"... Chesterfield County here...

Keystone-Denver, CO - looking to visit a club in Denver area - We are skiing in Keystone and might visit Denver this Saturday feb. 21th. Can anybody recommend an upscale swingers club in the area? We are looking for an attractive crowd. Will appreciate any info. thank you so much.

On Premise Swingers Club - SLC - Within the past few days a "church" in Phoenix was raided and the clergy/practitioners charged with prostitution...........there were substantial donations involved.