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Those damn single men! - Where do they fit in this lifestyle? - AKLIM...In response to your question: WHat can a single bring to the table that a couple cannot? 1.) TOTAL attention...When you have a couple, he or she will always be aware of their spouse or spousal equivalent...Thus NOT giving 100% of their attention. 2.) NO ONE has to sit out...Earlier you stated that you would not want to watch someone do your wife, as it would bore you. Do you watch porn? Ahhhh...Live porn...What could be better? If someone in a couple takes a break to get a drink, have a smoke, go to the restroom...whatever they do on their break, they come back and watch 2 people with someone, don't you think they would be just as bored as you are? Don't you think you or your wife are worthy of more attention from a triad situation than a few minutes while someone takes a break? 3.) (Directed at Mr. AKLIM) Are you telling me if a single woman wrote you, you would not want to meet? Come on...EVERY man in America would like 2 women at the same time...it is the most common fantasy! 4.) What's wrong with Mr or Mrs. having a little fun on the side while someone IS out of town? NOTHING... Not to say you should adhere to our rules or anything...Just making a statement that answers your question... NOW...On to another thing...IN OUR EXPERIENCE ONLY!!!!!!!! Single males are indeed unreliable...so much so that on another site, we actually put on our profile the names of those who do not show or call to cancel a meeting! But then again...We have had more "meetings" with single males...BUT MANY couples do the same...We feel that there are FAR to many "fantasy swingers" in the lifestyle...In other words, those who THINK it would be cool, but when it came to "shit or get off the pot" they won't...thus they do not show...Another posibility is the old fashioned, "I can get my wife to go to this meeting, then I can convince her to swing!" action...NO single man will pull that one...And how many of us have NOT experienced that one? I am almost willing to bet that those who have the "The ladies talk on the phone" rule HAVE experienced it, and want to avoid it in the future...Now...I see a TON of people saying single men are "gropers" and hangers oners and other things...OUR experience is just the opposite...THE MARRIED men are doing that...SO many times we have seen single men yelled at for WALKING by a couple...NO, NOT talking, touching, rubbing, making tongue actions at the lady, no winking, NOTHING but walking by...YET, a man who has a lady by his side can come over and stick his hand in her skirt or down her blouse...and that is cool...Why? Because he is married or something? Makes no sense to us...ANYONE does something like that unapproved and they should be tossed, but because SO many people have HEARD of bad experiences with single men...NOT actually experienced them themselves, they assume it is the way it is. How many profiles have you seen where someone says we are newbies, then says NO SINGLE MEN like 15 times? Where did they get that? They have not met anyone, they have not been to a club, they are new...Probably from someone else's profile...THEN there are those who say< "Searching for: Single Men, Single Women, Couples" but later in the profile, the last sentence is "No single men" or something like that...You have MANY people in the forums saying they only play with couples, but their profile says differently...And then they want to come in her and bitch that a single man wrote them! WTF??? The single men are DOING what you say...and still get bitched at.... Let this post die....To the single men...Welcome to the whipping post...Enjoy...

seniors - why is it so difficult to find senior swingers or single ladies? - As one who has done older but sooo much more experience I have to say wow have you been nieve to try it all, lol! Yes my opinion and experience lol! But if all you seek is young and young experience then don't speak out unless you know what you are talking about! Not to knock younger, for some of them are great too but don't sell older til ya have tried it babe!

Swingers In Uniform - Pay your memorial day respects here. - Hello All, I would like to put down some of my (KinkyJoker) thoughts on this thread and some of the posts here. I fully agree with the post & poem from SNS2N1. Memorial day is not my day, it is the day that I thank my Brothers & Sisters that have given their all. I would also like to point out that while most believe that a Military member is willing to give their life for thier family, the fact is that they are willing to give that life for their comrads. I have yet to ever hear of a Soldier, Sailor, Airman, or Marine that was thinking of home when they jumped on a Granade/pushed their buddy out of the line of fire/rushed a bunker full of automatic weapons/willing ran in to a hail of bullets to grab a wounded buddy, they were all thinking of saving the life or lives of their buddies. For them, I feel both the swelling and crushing of my heart at the rememberance of their deeds. Also, as stated by SNS2N1, the day for me as a Vet is Nov. 11th. I feel extra blessed because my birthday is the day before, Nov. 10th. Now while this is not the day I was physically brought into this world, it is the day of my birth into something that I will be until I leave this mortal plane. A Marine. However, to be fair, I am a Former Marine, and much to the shame of my best friends, I am now currently in the US Army Reserve. I fully thank the powers that be, that both of my best friends made it through Operation Iraqi Freedom unharmed, as well as the entire roster of my old unit. Now, on to Don Juan. Yes, I am willing to defend his right to show just how big of a self-centered, puesdo-intellectual, narrow minded little piss-ant that he is. Because of what he said I will not say that he must be a member of the Demorcrats (Sorry, Extreamly Liberal Republican here), nor will I make guesses at his orignal place of birth. However, I think that it is much further away then Great Britain, as in not from this planet. While I agree with the Chief, Sgt & Spc Cole, and RED64ANDME on what we should do with him, I have to point out that in order to truly fulfill our oaths, we need the politicians to state that he is a domestic enemy. That way when we stomp a Mudhole in his ass, we are not violating his rights. Now if you really want to do something to him, just pray that karma will come to him or that life will change to where stupidity really is painful, if not deadly. Reguards, Bryan AKA KinkyJoker AKA Spc. Oster (Soon to be MS II)

Question - do you talk about other swingers? - Hehehe...See Te! You've got a lot of people covering your back! ;)

Young Swingers Myspace Swinger Party@Club Hedonism - - STOP CRYING.. This lifestyle is about change and variety and we under stand were the "oldies" and the "toddler's" are comining from. Change to see a diffrent crowd, change to be around things that are diffrent. But to put a age gap on a party when the hosts are older than the age limit is a little "wack"- thats slang for you oldies---Just kidding.... Next time you need to market it diffrent -- Bad call -- Have a good day people-Jer

DATE NIGHT AT THE DRIVE IN.... - does anyone ever still go to the drive in? - We went to a drive inn two weeks ago and it was fun, the only thing better would be a group of swingers there together, we could totally redefine the word carhop.

Why Be In Utah? - - Actually I've always wondered the same thing about Florida. Substitute the crazy Mormons for the Bibile thumpers from Orlando north into the panhandle, add in the hurricanes, torrential rains, gaters, snakes and mosquitos...besides, I've heard the snow skiing is HORRIBLE there. But I'll bite. 1) No porn. You can buy dirty magazines but (unless you know where to go) hard core x-rate movies are technically illegal to sell. A non-issue in the internet age. If you're still buying dvd's at the local porn emporium you need to maybe update your computer or your media server or something. 2) No real beer. Again a myth. You can only buy 4% (by volume) beer in grocery stores but you can get full strength beer at state liquor stores, restaurants and places like brewery stores. Try getting ANYTHING to drink in some dry towns/counties in the Bible Belt. 3) True to some extent, although Salt Lake City itself is VERY eclectic and quite liberal politically. But at least our LDS lawmakers know basic female anatomy and have somewhat of a grasp of proven basic science. No kooky evangelicals freaking out every time someone mentions birth control or evolution. 4) Most people are afraid of Mormons? Really? I've heard they have horns and the missionaries CAN be a little annoying when you're fucking and they're ringing the doorbell but I don't think people are truly afraid. Besides, contrary to popular belief the swing scene here is alive, active and vibrant. I'd wager that per capita we have more, and more active, swingers than just about any place you can name. All that repressed Mormon sexuality eventually bubbles to the surface and until you've fucked a formerly repressed little Mormon girl who's discovering her sexuality you, my friend, haven't fucked! :-)

How close is too close - - FITZNBELINDA Actually, swinging will very quickly bring out and magnify flaws in a relationship, even in good relationships. The difference is that a good relationship/marriage will use this info to increase the trust and communications and make that relationship stronger. You asked about swingers as compared to the general public... The divorce rate in the general public is between 66 and 77% depending on which figures you are looking at.. THis is both for 1st and 2nd marriages. Approx 70% of all married people, both male and females, in the general public, now will admit to extramarital affairs. Since extramarital sex is the essence of swinging that is not an issue but marriages in the swinging community are stable approximately 85% of the time or only 15% of swingers marriages fail... as compared with 75% failure in the general public... In other words non swingers are 340% more likely to get divorced than swigners... or 3.4 times as likely. Respect is one thing but sometimes Stuff just happens. We don't ask for it we are not open for it but still it still happens.... My love for others has no effect on my wife and my relationship.. She understand who I will be going home with and that I don't wish to cause others grief.. If people are honest with themselves as well as others and you respect people enough to understand what's going on and care about their feelings you just walk away before any damage is done...

Hello summer - Swingers couple party - Again please contact me if your a couple interested in joining us. We are not inviting single men to this event. We will have activities to meet mingle and play

Why do they run? - Why do most couples run when you suggest a real full swap? - Like what was said in the post above..we are not looking to replace our mates. It\'s not the fear of replacement for us either. We tried the first time on sepreate beds, and neither of us liked it very much. We both missed each other as we could hear each other but not see. When we all moved into one bed, it was a million times better. I must confess that I get more enjoyment watching my wife get or give then I do getting it most of the time. We prefer to play all together, not as two seperate couples the whole time, such as both guys playing with one wife while the other wife is pleasing her, etc. and when we do pair off, I love to reach over and hold my wifes hand as she is coming and I love to feel her hands in my hair as I please the other wife...It\'s just what we are into. We have zero interest in playing apart. We are very much in love and are so tuned into each other that many times it is hard just to seperate and go to work. I know we might be making some of you sick, but that is the way we are and any of you who have met us will back this up. We are not judging, the last thing anyone needs is more judgement. If you like to split up, more power to you, it\'s not our thing and we have no interest. If this makes us les than swingers, well then, we are less than swingers and happy :) Have fun with what ever your thrill is! Art and Dawn