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On a serious note... - A court case that could effect lifestylers with children - IMPORTANT COURT CASE MAY AFFECT SWINGERS WITH CHILDREN NATIONWIDE!!! URGENT NOTICE TO RESPONSIBLE PARTICIPANTS IN THE ADULT LIFESTYLE This Notice is directed to all swingers, exotic dancers, adult business owners and anyone involved in the adult industry. There is a very important legal case going on in the state of Florida which can affect everyone in the swinging and adult community nationwide who has children under the age of 18. Deltadawn who is a fairly well known member of the swinging community in the Tampa Florida area has lost her right to see her 2 1/2 year old baby girl simply due to being a swinger. Deltadawn had shared custody of her 2 1/2 year old baby girl with her "ex," who happens to be an attorney. He found out that she was in the swinging lifestyle and has filed a motion with the Hernando County Court of Florida to remove all of her parental rights, primarily on the basis of her swinger lifestyle. THE OUTCOME OF THIS CASE COULD HAVE VERY SERIOUS AND DETRIMENTAL REPERCUSSIONS FOR EVERYONE IN THE ADULT LIFESTYLE. The outcome of this case is critical and could set precedent for everyone involved in any form of the adult lifestyle nationwide. If the argument that participating in the adult lifestyle reflects adversely on parental rights, losing this case could open a Pandora's Box for lifestylers with children across the country. An adverse decision in this action could mean that anyone, gay or straight, with children could be at risk of losing their children and having their parental rights stripped away, simply because of the lifestyle that we all enjoy. Swingers and everyone in the adult entertainment industry would have to live in fear that they may be turned in and could lose their children simply because of our lifestyle choice. WINNING THIS CASE COULD HELP ESTABLISH CASE PRECEDENT AND HELP PROTECT OUR PARENTAL AND CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS Winning this case will mean loving parents do not have to live in fear that our legal system, some governmental agency, or some adversarial parent, will have the ability right to terminate your parental rights or take your children, simply because of a lifestyle choice that never involves well nurtured children. The rejection of private sexual lifestyle as a basis for terminating parental rights will set precedent that could serve to protect those in the lifestyle or in the adult entertainment business from unjustified intrusions into their personal lives. Under the U.S. Constitution we should have the right to our lifestyle choice without censure, condemnation and fear of losing our children. Deltadawn has retained Luke Lirot as her attorney in her fight to maintain her parental rights. Luke Lirot is one of the premier Constitutional and adult civil rights attorneys in the country (you can do an internet search of him to verify his credentials). He is constantly traveling all over the country defending peoples civil rights and is a true champion of justice. He is constantly in the newspaper and often appears on television nationwide. As any lawyer, he depends on his clients to provide him with a living, and Justice comes at a price. Deltadawn needs your help... We need all people involved in the swinging community and adult industry, nationwide, to reach into their pockets and contribute to her legal defense fund by donating what help they can to attorney Luke Lirot. THE OUTCOME OF THIS CASE COULD HELP US ALL Please make checks or money orders payable to: LUKE LIROT, P.A. (Please write in "Deltadawn Legal Defense Compensation" in the memo section of your check or money order) For further information, please contact: Luke Lirot Attorney and Counselor at Law 112 N. East Street, Suite B Tampa, FL 33602 (Tel) 866-387-8469 (TOLL FREE), OR 813-221-9533 (Fax) 813-221-9175 Email: [email protected] We sincerely appreciate your goodwill and support in this urgent and important matter! POST SCRIPT FROM LUKE LIROT: This legal battle is truly tough. Deltadawn's lifestyle experiences are being used as a weapon to try and take a loving child, much in need of her mother's love, away from her. To stop this effort, we must employ every possible tool at our disposal. We need the services of psychologists, social workers, and other professionals to show that Lifestyle characteristics, never revealed or foisted on any child, have no detrimental impact on children. Under Florida law, like virtually every other jurisdiction in the nation, the factors evaluated by the courts are whether parental contact "is in the best interests of the child." To do this, we need to show that participation in the Lifestyle, in and of itself, does not make anyone a bad parent. There are only a few formalities. Under Florida Law, Rule 4-1.8(f) of the Rules Regulating the Florida Bar governs "Compensation by Third Party," and allows for parties unrelated to the litigation to pay fees and costs on the clients behalf. The Rule states: Compensation by Third Party. A lawyer shall not accept compensation for representing a client from one other than the client unless: 1)The client consents after consultation; 2)There is no interference with the lawyer's independence or professional judgment or with the client/lawyer relationship; and information relating to representation of a client is protected as required by Rule 4-1.6 (confidentiality of information)." If these conditions are acceptable to you, and you care about this important case, we would welcome your help. These donations are not tax deductible, but they are evidence of true human kindness. Thank you! -Luke Lirot-

Pineapple or upside down pineapple - - What symbol comes to your mind first when you think of swingers? (Pineapple, upside down pineapple, or something else?) I’ve googled it but I’d like to get it from my people 😉

Why so much hate in the swingers world... - - Alton, I do not deny that. Hilter, the KKK, Stalin, Osama Bin Ladin all had/have their opinions. Does that justify their actions??? NO. It's my opinion that Marijuana should be legal ;-) -D-

Swingers In Uniform - Pay your memorial day respects here. - Dear Mr. Juan, While you certainly have every right in the world to express your misguided opinion on people, you might try to exercise some tact. I see that you are a single male.... Hmmm Go figure. It is our opinion that freedom (like the one you are exercising), was paid for with the lives of those people in uniform like those you are asking to pucker up and kiss your ass. Additionally the freedom that you are so lavishly using to spew your opinions is also protected by the Police, Fire and other emergency personnel. As far as your Tax money is concerned... How much of your, Mr. Quixote's, tax money is actually spent on these services??? Maybe $10 a year??? What's your fucking address? I'll send you a check. You fat, no good, leg humping, pogue, puke piece of shit. Sit on your ass like the slug you are and make your comments, but remember these people asshole. http://www.militarycity.com/valor/honor.html These Americans, that would go in your fucking stead to lay down their lives, so that you can eat cheetos and masturbate on your couch! Why don't you do us all a favor and gargle on broken glass. Sincerely, SGT and SPC Cole P.S. Tell one of their mothers you'd like your dumb ass kissed. ------------------------------------------------------------------- Don Juan Wrote: hey, Dickwad, Perhaps you are unfamiliar with this country called the U.S. You see, here, the cops work for the civilians, so you don't tell us what to do; rather it's the other way around. Ditto the military. We are your bosses, so if there's any ass-kissing to be done, pucker up.

Why so much hate in the swingers world... - - thats right ..i think lol Alton

WTH over? - Private picture debacle. - I guess I'll play the devil's advocate for a second and share an opposing point of view. And this isn't meant to be offensive, just presenting another way to look at the initial question/complaint. First off, and I've mentioned this time after time in different posts, there is no one correct way to swing, to post a profile or to live a swinger life. If your opinion (and I don't mean you, as in the poster of the thread, just a generic term) is that people should show their faces and it irritates you if they don't, that's a fine opinion to have, but it's just that, an opinion. If you are in a position in your life that you don't mind if friends, family and co workers know you swing or see graphic pics of you, possibly from another source other than you sending them, or from a random search through a swinger website, that's great. It might be empowering and refreshing to some degree. However, some people don't feel comfortable with that or may actually suffer harm to their reputations, face loss of income or have other unwelcome things happen to them. It has happened to people and the threat, even if just perceived, feels very real to some. We live in a prejudicial society that places its values and norms on others and sometimes punishes those who don't comply with that version of normalcy and moral behavior. It seems an understandable worry to me and to others. " If you’re truly worried about “your job” or others seeing you than maybe you’re in the wrong place?" That doesn't make much sense to me. Though taking a break now, we have been successful "swingers" for many years and we were always careful and had a worry about certain people finding out. We know many, many others who feel the same, so to say we might be in the wrong place doesn't hold much water as anything other than your preference for who you meet or how you prefer a profile to look. As with all aspects of life, but let's direct this to swinging, there is no black and white, right or wrong. Personally we have always tried to bend our preferences, to give people the benefit of the doubt unless there was a glaring red flag or we were not in the least attracted because of what we read, profile pics (attraction) or something else that wasn't attractive or inviting to us. But no worries. There are a lot of different people with different needs and expectations. It is always fun for us to expand our prejudices, learn new things, try new things and step away from a list set in stone that we need to follow. That being said, we have our own preferences and opinions on what we are looking for, but that's all they are. We understand some people want to meet and fuck after a quick hello and exchanging a kiss. Some want more of a poly relationship. Some will never play in the same room while others demand it. There us a beautiful spectrum to life, to swinging to...everything. Just my opinion, of course. You may limit meeting some amazing people by creating strict rules about what you expect, especially related to profiles. Many new couples are super sensitive about even being on the site. But if that is what works well for a couple, great. That's how they do it. It would be wonderful to be in a place where we could all be honest and open with everyone we knew. But we don't and we can't, or perhaps it is just we choose not to because of the severe consequences we may face. I respect people's choices to progress at their own speed, to exchange face pics when they feel comfortable with it and to feel safe in the situation they are working in. For us, and the way we know many of our friends do it, the public pics are a little bit of an appetizer. The private pics have traditionally been more sexy and naughty. Then we have 20 or so face pics in the folder that we specifically have to give access to. Our reasoning is that some people want to add you as a friend so they can keep track of you, show interest, or yes, sometimes just see pics. For those pic hunters especially, we don't share face pics unless we are interested. It provides a level of comfort and security for us, even if it really isn't that safe and only gives us warm and fuzzies. It also is beneficial when nosy people are snooping on the site to see who they know, and even though it doesn't worry you, it worries some. Last up, we too have frustrations about certain profiles or they way people progress with their pics and such. But we certainly think they have the right to be swingers in whatever capacity they choose. If we don't like something, get too frustrated, we move on. But we do it knowing the other person or couple is swinging as they choose and we support that. I think the forums can be fun places to share ideas. It's a place to learn about others and see an opinion that you might not agree with or haven't thought about. Or, it's a place to ramble on about not much, so if you have read this far, good for you. :) xoxo Mr SRO

Age - New to the swingers community - is age a factor in how a couple is viewed? - Age is not a factor for us but in our experiences it seems people tend to migrate with the same age group, mostly because of commonalities like music, movies and events of the times.

Another Swingers Show on TV - - [quote=PARTNERZNCRIME]did anyone catch this show?....we thought it was a decent representation of some of the issues that arise in the lifestyle.However,we did think it was humorous at times as a few of the couples seemed to be concerned with privacy in not letting family and friends know they are swingers (we dont either) but they are on TV in a swinger show..lol..it will be interesting to see how they progress in upcoming episodes.[/quote] We'd DVR'd it. Pretty interesting. Of course you can bet there was some editing for shock value on some issues. Not sure how many episodes, but we'll definitely be recording them all.

Swingers dying out? - Is the utah swinger community dying or becoming to needy? - Swinging is just a gateway drug. Do it as long as we have and pretty soon barnyard animals and corporate mascots start to look pretty good. Always lookin' for a bigger rush, a higher high, a kinkier fuckhole. I'm guessing in 10 or 15 years we'll REALLY be into the hard stuff like raping priests (hey, some of 'em totally deserve it) and dressing up like breakfast cereal characters and humping large appliances.

swingin - thought this site was a swingers site - jstjim did your mother help you with that comment TR him or her u make me laugh i start the post with a question now u and jst jim and virgin r trying to make me look like the bad guy it is to funny..... lmfao this all started with a question now u all wanna turn on me act like i am starting shit when u computer rambo wanna be( which u all have not clue what it means) try and make me look like i am starting shit get a fucking clue all three of u , if u keep going with this it is fine with me, it seems to me it is YOU all that like to keep this thread going so u can get the last word in and make your self feel good, , I will repeat this is a swinger site to meet friends and have fun not to fuck be stupid and bring death and shit the brings down the site, HAVE A GOOD DAY