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Here's something Ive been curious about - - [quote=EVILDOERS]I think over the years we've pretty much seen and heard it all in regards to this subject and who is and isn't a "real" swinger. It kind of all boils down to semantics, doesn't it? Is it really that important to label it and each other? If swinging is a more of a mindset then yes, singles (male and female) are swingers too. I think, perhaps, that what some of the couples might be trying to get at (inelegantly IMO) is that in many ways perhaps singles don't really have as much invested in the process as couples do. As a swinging couple (remember it used to be called "wife swapping") you are in effect opening your relationship to some very real risk. If you don't think that's the case you either are in denial or haven't been around the scene that long. Singles simply aren't running the same risk although it could be argued they do have some risks, especially single females who at very least have some safety issues going into sometimes unknown situations alone. I guess you could argue single males also have a few risks as well. Also, of course, there is the whole argument of singles "not bringing anything to the table". An oft quoted argument to denote they don't have a partner to "swap". True enough in some regards but not entirely true in that they bring themselves and variety to the table for those couples not looking for a couples swap or who want to fulfill other fantasies or who have difficulty finding a fourway connection or attraction. Ultimately I think it's unnecessary for couples who don't want to play with singles (most often it's just single guys, a double standard perhaps?) to diss singles by saying they aren't swingers. And it's also probably not necessary for a few singles to complain that they aren't given an equal place at the table when they indeed do not come prepared to risk the same that couples must risk. Bottom line. Swing how you want to swing and don't swing how you don't want to swing. There's actually room for everyone even if we aren't all necessarily sitting at the same table.[/quote]Absolutely agree. Well said Mr Evil! BTW...Do you know if those X-Ray glasses really worked?? I always wondered...still do. I have particulair attraction to "landing strips"....They could be real handy sorting out potential play partners!
Fullsize Lifestyle Cruise Takeover 2010 - 2500 Swingers on Royal Caribbean's Radiance of the Seas - Are There any Rooms Avilable??? We would like to book. We went on the first cruise out of Tampa April 2009. Had a great time :-O !!!! Balticsun
Same Room Sex - Same Room Sex - We LOVE this idea... that was what we did our first time at a swingers club. Feeling it out, finding our comfort zones and watching other couples fucking while we fucked was SO AMAZING! We are actually visiting SLC next month... a getaway from being cooped up for so long. Let's talk more, but I did see a reply about having multiple couples all playing in the same room! Sounds FUN that way too!!
A&E New show about swingers... - neighbors with benefits.... - [quote=SWINGAIRS][quote=KIDSATPLAY]Why would any industry sponsor shows about the positive side of Swinging? I doubt there is any big money in promoting the swing lifestyle any more than there is profit to singing the praises of plural marriage. The vice industry might even suffer financially should swinging really catch on. This is a lifestyle that must eat the crumbs that fall from the gay lesbian table to acquire any "me to" acceptance. It seems like social and financial suicide for the deep pockets.[/quote]
They had a swinger pride parade in new Orleans this year. Maybe in 20 years we can have a table too.[/quote]Except that's a false equivalency; swinging is a choice people make. No one is born as a swinger. This is like comparing wearing contacts to having green eyes; one chooses to wear contacts, one doesn't choose to be born w/ green eyes.
Looking to establish a group of safe swingers - - Ok, yeah HPV is fair enough. But I know we don’t have it. And we’d like to keep it that way.
Swinger & 🦄 Bait - An experiment to attract swingers and unicorns. - Funny as hell. But remember, you have to use the right bait at the right time of year.
Or you could just go basics...
Moab Utah - Swingers in Moab - Used to ride down to Moab often with friends on the Harleys. Its been a few years since we last made the trip, they all got old, moved, or died.
Swingers In Uniform - Pay your memorial day respects here. - To those who do understand the call to duty, I present my views of Juan...
"War is an ugly thing but not the ugliest of things; the decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feelings which thinks that nothing is worth war is much worse. A man who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than him self"
- John Stuart Mill
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Windows Tablet vs Ipad? - - [quote=IN2LOVE]The features we like about apple products is if I make a spread sheet on my Mac when I get to my iPad its there same thing with pictures we take on our iPhones they are on my Mac when I get home. No need for USB ports or flash drives there is this thing called the cloud stores everything we need. If you need a keyboard they have accessories like the airbridge. Updates are great and easy done in the background. For us we would pay extra for the quality and ease of apple products before ever going back to a windows platform. Just our 2 cents worth.[/quote]
Tell me more about this "cloud". Sounds like the perfect place to store all of our dirty pictures and videos as well as our correspondence with other naughty swingers that we never ever want the vanilla world to discover. Maybe I should put all my passwords, SS numbers and bank account info there as well. [em]Emo_67[/em]
The definition of cheating - - Interesting discussion. Certainly from a relationship standpoint the classic definition of cheating is being with someone other than your partner physically and/or emotionally. As swingers, however, we often hold ourselves above others and fall back on the lying and/or sneaking around aspect. Personally I feel that being dishonest with the person you hold most dear in this life to be the essence of cheating for me. When information is withheld you take away that person's prerogative to choose whether or not to stay in the relationship with you based on your actions outside of the relationship. There are a million ways people rationalize cheating. I find that a person's attitude towards cheating is a very good litmus test for the depth of their character. Now should we talk about cheating on a test or cheating other people out of their hard earned money? How about cheating on your taxes or at a poker game with friends? At what point DOES cheating become morally reprehensible or should it be "all's fair in love and war" and "every man (or woman) for himself"? Or as SIRNEWBY asserts, is self deception/lying/cheating really the only valid metric? Or did I misunderstand your point, SN? It would be interesting to get feedback from people (I'm sure there are plenty) who've been cheated on.
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