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The Vent part II - Secrecy - I once heard it put *I dont grow potatos where I get my meat*, I prefer to say *I dont play in my own backyard*. I know... I'm just one of *those* single men. You know, it doesnt sound like you give your *vanilla* friends much credit. You assume *they* would not enjoy a local *off premise* swingers club. Have you ever sat your vanilla friends down and talk to them (feel them out so to speak), to see if they are looking for ways to *spice* up their relationship? I've taken many *vanilla* women to the local swinger clubs. Ok, so some wont go back, but others are like *wow, that was fun!! I'm not into swinging and swapping, but these people are great!* Here in the Dallas / Ft Worth area, the lifestyle is HOT and happening! There are at least 7 off premise clubs, and as many on premise clubs. Plus many swingers in the area prefer going to the *vanilla* clubs to pick up men, women, and other couples. In MHO, IF, and I say IF, you go to a swinger club hoping/looking/expecting to pick up someone, I feel you've gone for the wrong reason. Go to have fun, meet new people, network, and IF you find someone at the club you enjoy being with, then I'm sure *as they say here in Texas* ya'll are going to have some swapping fun.... And yes, I have been part of a couple, with a few different women. Why am I not still a couple with any of them? They seem to start really getting into the lifestyle, and then they realize they're having too much fun, and scare themselves out of it. Oh yeah, and I'm the asshole single male, the most unwanted animal in the lifestyle. lol

threesome or bang - where do I find these men? - Yea swingular.com has been noticeably a big thing for utah swingers. Or maybe thats because I see them most often? Though doesn't explain the single male idiots jumping up to raise their hands in fucking Clearfield or SLC UT. I'm sure she's eager to wait for you guys to visit southern Illinois.... read you fucks. Anyways. I'm familiar with that area as when I was living in Cleveland I had a girlfriend in Effingham. Sadly your bets bet on here is reaching out to a st Louis group. Or try another site. The reply above mentioned a good one in your area. Which I find to be typically the best route. (Whats popular in your are*) though I'm sure you could use plenty of others as well. Fet has a reasonable means of reaching someone though I found better and stronger responses on here and again its because utah seems to be a massive swingular pop. And failing fet. aff, tinder, etc .

Weird sex laws. - Oral sex is bad but fucking a corpse not so much. - You have to admit, oral sex IS kinda creepy. But I'm willing to bet it's Obama's (or Holder's) fault. Or those damned libs. Or those damned conservatives. Or those damned swingers, they're RUINING the USofA! Or maybe it's rap music or gay marriage. Or possibly a direct result of Dancing With The Stars. [em]Emo_62[/em]

Swinging with Vanillas - Any success stories? - I know this probably won't be a very popular point of view but I kind of have a problem with vanilla hunting. If you meet some vanillas and talk to them, hell tell them you are swingers or whatever, and they're interested and then you leave it there and they have time to go home and consider what you've told them and make a sober rational decision then great. Where the line becomes blurred to me is approaching vanillas in say a bar situation where there is plenty of alcohol or whatever and then sort of guiding (pushing?) them into a situation where they might not be thinking completely rationally. I think the majority of us probably approached swinging from the perspective of making a conscious decision to try it out or whatever before we were put in a situation where sexual play might happen. I just think it's only fair for others to have that same consideration "space", if you will, before they jump into something they might not be ready to handle. Swinging is great. We have an awesome little hobby that is DEFINITELY NOT for everyone, no matter how much we think it should be. The truth is very few people can actually handle the intense dynamics of swapping spouses. JMO

really appreciate the "lifestyle" - wanted to reflect - i wanted to repost pretty much a reply i wrote in another forum... it started out about our thoughts on the first time with someone new... was trying to convey our feelings that getting to know people over time made the exp better... and well it seems like more than that in re-reading it... or it could be the painkillers... so if the typing is bad thats why... thxs please enjoy... "1st time is never the best, that is why we like 2nd, 3rd, 4th and so times, making friends,(does not have to be buddys, or move in with you) people you can talk to more than about sex... is what really makes the life great... our continuing story.... rich has a severly broken leg right now... the people that are making life work for us for the most part are swing friends, some are on the site... we had just contracted on a house befor rich's leg, closed from the hospital, a couple we have known for a while got a truck and moved us in our new home... the wife of a couple (on this site) has been taking rich to his appointents, which until recently were every day, her husband fix and painted one of the rooms in the new place just befor the move in... rich's best friend, a single male (on this site)has been there, and a single female friend has been too... many other couples have come by and done a little even if it was a ride to get lunch or dinner... and rich really appreciates the sympathy blow jobs... not everyone you play with will make a connection, but trying for that connection is the best part... and for us, right now, if not for the swingers in our lives, we would be lost in trying to works things out. "

closed doors? - - It seems as if the doors are closed to a couple with little or no experience. Why is that? My wife and I have been posting ads on various swing sites for a while now and haven't been lucky enough to find a nice couple or single female to hook up with. Is it that swingers don't want to "waste their time" breaking in newbies or what? We've chatted with a single female who blew us off and a couple of couples who have done the same. We would just love to find a couple or single female who we can actually hook up with. How are you supposed to "enjoy the lifestyle" when the lifestyle won't enjoy you?

Do you think they're swingers? - - So is he crazy or is there an alien probe still buried up his ass somewhere? [em]Emo_84[/em] And yes, the dog totally steals the show.

Cum One Cum All!!! - - WOW, As said by others earlier, this is a great way to thin out drama later on in meeting people. and who would be people we would not get along with later on. The whole issue of illegal immigration is a tough one, Our culture has created a need for cheap labor, and the x/y generation is a bunch of Lazy bastards(speaking from experience from try to hire from the Labor pool of our generation) The gesture of helping another HUMAN in need is a great one, and the people that are knocking that shame on you...shame on you... Our Culture, and society has created the Illegal immigration "problem" Our kids and WE will not pick Cucumbers for 2$ an hour, or clean a hotel room for minimum wage... WTF America, quit listening to Glen Beck, Limbaugh, Palin, Orielly, Olbermann and Maddow, and get a real educated point of view on the reality of where we are at in America today. Roque has probably contributed more to the American System than most of the American citizens his age have. We and our kids will not pick vegetables for $2 an hour, nor clean rooms for min wage......or construction for $8 an hour......so the reality of the situation is....We have created a NEED for CHEAP labor...and ILLEGAL immigration is the answer we have been using... But the Roque situation is something different...and something that happens everyday..Really people we are on a SWINGERS WEBSITE.....WTF...get off your self rightous stands, cause if you are on a SWINGERS website, most of the people that would agree with you, as soon as they learned you were swingers (soft or Full) would throw you under the bus so fast your head would spin....So really, a fellow human being is in need, if you do not want to help...DON'T... and if you do...GREAT.... But dont get on your high horse and think that if all your Glen Beck Friends found out that you were members of a Swingers Web Site...Well you know, you would be out on the street.... Really, Stand back....think about it....Someone mentioned that a Fellow human being needs help.....a productive member of society...more so that any of the Jerry springer 2009 season had to contribute...... Really People...Dont think your Bishop approves of this lifestyle....

ISO: sexy married couple - exclusive FWB - Let's have some fun... - [quote=EVILDOERS]Not really talking about lowering the bar necessarily...more just not getting in your own way by setting impossible standards that few, if any, couples might likely ever meet. And like I said, Ms. Evil and I are absolutely as guilty of this as the next guy. My only point was that in almost THIRTY years of swinging we have, on more than one occasion, been surprised by our eventual connection with couples that we didn't really even give a second glance the first time we met them. Sometimes quality is a very fluid concept that, as humans, we aren't always great at judging. And we agree 100% about quality over quantity. In fact, if you consider the actual number of couples that we've played with in almost three decades in the lifestyle you'd likely surmise that we were either extremely picky or just really lame swingers (Actually, that last one might be true. lol). Bottom line, you absolutely should ONLY fuck people you want to fuck but maybe, just maybe, give a little thought to your criteria for choosing couples and think about which things on your checklist might actually end up not being all that important and prevent you from finding some really great people that might not check off every single box. And speaking of boxes, I'll get off MY soapbox now. [em]Emo_12[/em] [/quote] agreed.

Swinger arrested for being peeping tom - Naked man who holds swinger parties caught peeping in little girls room. - Good hell, I've decorated people's cars while they were in their wedding reception with condoms. Does that mean if a condom blew off while they were driving away mean their reception was actually a swingers meet'n'greet? (I was younger then but, I still think it was hilarious.) It's a good thing nobody caught me leaving the reception didnt get arrested!!! This guy has a history of peeping. Nobody said the dad had a history of beating the shit out of people? I would have beat someone looking in my daughters bedroom! Dosent make a difference if the dad thought he was (lets just making noises or not, call in what it is sounded like he was beating his meat) looking, peeing or just wiggling in weeds point is it looked like he was being A SICK SOB WHILE LOOKING AT THE DADS SAUGHTER!!! He was protecting his family. If he had been IN their house the dad could've SHOT the sick SOB and said he was afraid for his families lives and they wouldn't even be thinking on putting the dad in jail. HELLO D.A? Are you as big of of a NASTER OF DUMB ASSES Mr. D.A.? As you sound? What I don't understand is who cares if the neighbors being swingers/or just throwing bug parties has ANYTHING to do with a Grown Guy (I won't call him a man) looking in a window go together? Just because you have people over (even if they are screwing) dosent mean that's where the guy came from... Not is it something you do even if he was at the party. How do the two go together? I've been to parties, swinging and I've been to parties long before I was swinging and noone left the party and yanked their chain in a neighbors window!!! How does alot of people equal swingers??? Good hell my mom had her 15 brothers and sisters and spouses at her house this exact same night in W.V.C., UTAH and I don't even want to think about what 31 people (who are my Aunts & Uncles) must have been accused of? HEADLINE. "69 year old woman is KEEPIN IT UN TGE FAMILY". 31 Senior Citizens caught, laughing and having fun befor they Take turns going in the house. "Bottle of little blue pills found Spread around in the road" Hell that just made my fingers hurt to type and I'm gonna be sick!!!