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Black Ring - Who has theirs and how have they caught on? - It's a numbers game... Less than a tenth of 100th of a percent of the population of Utah is into swinging..... You may wear it for YEARS before someone notices.. (Just like the odds of running into a swinger at the grocery store are ridiculously slim). Odds go up significantly if you wear them to places where swingers are likely to be (Habits on a Friday night, for example).

New Yorker Shutting down - - [quote=FantasiesofSLC]You sound like someone who visited Epstein's Island. Even though there is evil there, it's okay because I had fun.[/quote] But that would be “taking the moral high ground” and “hypocritical” because we are swingers we can’t have standards or morals! Yes everyone has a line and it’s ok to have that line, but when the ATF or other federal agencies get involved we are out. Call us hypocrites.

Why so much hate in the swingers world... - - ULUV, Insecurity, fear, unwillingness, ignorance etc. I believe a true swinger or "Libertine" is one that exercise free thought and actions without regard to morals or a dogma. This means not only in sex, but all things. I strive to be openminded with everything, but no one is perfect. I, like everyone am at a level of openmindedness in my life and I am striving to achieve new levels of understanding everyday. Some of will remain, some of with regress, while some us will continue to advance our whole lives. Willingness to open up to new ideas and concepts helps. Hate will exist as long as ignorance does. Kinsey is among many scientists that have and do explore the realm of human sexuality. Many people don't try and take the time to better understand themselves. We are such egocentric creatures fundementally, that we often lose sight of reality through our own perception. That perception has ben clouded by propaganda, ignorance of fact and misinformation. I strive to better understand those around me, by coaxing them to interact with me here. Sometime, I admit, I manipulate them with controversial subject matter to "stir the pot", but it get shit moving and get's people talking and interacting. There in the combustion chamber, can we all see what's happening. We just have to do our best to take of the clouded goggles of our perceptions and open our minds to the sometimes harsh, sometime beautiful reality. I am still trying to get mind all the way off. -D- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kinsey_Reports

Looking to establish a group of safe swingers - - If my profile interests you, I am in

Out of bounds..... - - Ok, I tried not to come back and be a bitch but I think this needs said. For those of you who whine and cry about not being able to mention God on a swingers site....... please remember this is the same God who will send you to hell for fucking someone other than your spouse. I honestly think both parties are in the wrong, and thats what I'm sticking with.

Swingers gone bad?? - - I can't or wwon't take the moral high ground here. I believe what was done was legally wrong. I was having sex by age 12 and knew what I was doing then. Was I legally competant??? According to statutes then and now, I was too young to make a good judgement. Did these boys or any others boys ever need alcohol to get into the mood to have sex??? Legally they did wrong.... If the boys were 10, 9 maybe even 11 maybe then they sould be too young to participate... Now people taking the moral high ground........ Is swinging morally right? The lifestyle is sometimes called a fringe thing. It's not illegal according to the law but there are those who say that morality says that sharing each other with someone outside of the marriage is wrong. For those of you in Utah.... Polygamy, polygyny and polyandry is wrong... Actually the state had to outlaw the practice of having more than one wife or they wouldn't have gotten statehood. So they used the term Polyegemy or having more than one wife or having more than one husband at the same time. Polygyny is having more than one wife at the same time. It is illegal in most states for either of these 3 states or conditions to exist or to participate in. I guess what I'm saying is, Are swingers morally upright or righteous enough to make the moral judgement on these people. Certainly, what they did was illegal but.... 50 years ago what we do today would have gotten us ousted from the community, church, loss of job (and that could still happen today) and maybe even jailed, under the right circumstances.. So, before we cast the first stone let us be certain that we are righteous or that we are well outside of our glass house.

Swingers Dares - Text for cards in the game - We've asked and they are Ok. We don't drink that much either, just enough to be silly & happy. We do like it when the party is always on... So far so good. Any more suggestions for text in the cards? HMMMM RDY... that one is going in... it's been written!!!

Forum Search - How does one correctly perform one? - Well... While I agree that this site is less friendly in a lot of areas, there are still a bunch of good qualities - the people. This still is and always has been the best Swingers site in Utah and its really reaching a lot of other states now. AFF probably has more eye candy to look at but the forums are lame and you can never count on actually meeting anyone. What were you looking for, POUNDCAKE? Maybe the other members can help. Mr. Sexperimentors

Left Behind... - What to do with the... - Well its a pair of Fred Perry Boxer Shorts.. we think I\'m (Amanda) is just gonna used them as PJ\'s and if he wants them back he\'ll just have to come and take them! They\'d never fit Peter! So I can see we need to amdend the swingers party rules.. \"Please do not leave your dirty laundry for the host to wash. If you feel your unable to keep track of your graments... please arrive nude!\" LOL Thanks guys.. Always so much fun posting here and see what people have to say. A big shout out to the Swingular Community.. the best on the web! Amanda & Peter

I Have A Question - Poly vs. Open - We have friends in both of those communities and dip in and out of both but don't actually consider either what we have or want. Simply: Swinging is generally, ironically, too casual for us while also having way too many cultural rules (but we fucking love your parties), We also find that while we have fun with and enjoy the company of a lot of swingers, most are culturally pretty different from us. Polyamory, as people play it, is typically far too intense for us and that community also has a lot of cultural strictures and high expectations (but we've had great parties there, too, and have made really close friends, even though we're not into Star Wars 😜). So we look for genuine friends, because that's how it started and that's how it's always been with us. We're as likely to go to coffee than get naked. And our lives are crazy busy, so we don't have a lot of time to give. But we each go out with someone probably once a week. That said, it's not necessarily the same person and actually getting together for a night out, rather than coffee or lunch, probably only happens twice a month each at most. Once a month is more common. We don't really have rules. That's kind of antithetical to how our relationship works in general. Instead, we spend focused time with each other. We go to coffee together once a week. We go to lunch together once a week. And we go out together once a week. We plan that on Saturday over coffee or ok a run. We also talk constantly. We've always been completely open with each other. Having a mutually wanted and understood open relationship makes transparency easy for us. We also like to inevitably introduce anyone were seeing regularly to each other. We also don't pry at all but like to be sure the other person's spouse or primary partner is good and that they're relationship is healthy. It sounds a lot like what people call polyamory except that it stays casual. For that reason, the other people need to realize that's all it will ever be. The flip side to that is making sure we only get involved with grounded and reliable people. We've been doing it long enough that we both have a whole set of friends we might go out with on and off. For us, regardless of their jobs, they're often artistic, musical, literary, dancers, etc..