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Poly ideas - Ethical non-monogamy...I like that label. - [quote=ENLIGHTENED][quote=ERASEDPANTS]A few other "Poly Ideas" we have had...a beach resort for swingers called "Poly Shore". Jeans with special condom holders made exclusively for the lifestyle called "Poly Pockets". A full time art school for swingers run by "Leave it to Beaver's" Tony Dow,called "Poly Wally Doodle all the Day" . The high end grocery store/basketball arena for lifestylers called "Poly Pavilions". But it turns out it was just a slightly nicer "Poly Vons" grocery store/basketball arena. And lastly a white supremisist lifestyle dating site called "Poly want a Cracker".[/quote] So if you try poly and it doesn't work out, do you call it a Poly-Gone?[/quote] Nice!

Help With Wife - Wife has fantasies but is super hesitant to experiment. - [quote=EVILDOERS]Personally I think you might be a little too eager (can't blame you, we all were when we started) and pushing just a little too hard to make her fantasy a reality. Rather than trying to find a way to get around the "Catch 22" of her fantasy maybe just explore it more verbally and see if it evolves into some kind of scenario that she is comfortable with that more easily can happen in the real world. The most successful swingers we know, ourselves included, arrived at where they are by being open and supportive of each other's fantasies and desires without forcing them in any way. In other words, be patient, explore your fantasies verbally and maybe role play, a LOT, with each other before you jump into anything that either of you isn't quite ready for. You might be surprised as you fantasize openly and honestly how your fantasies might evolve and become something that you eventually can and will make a reality. You know your wife better than anyone and maybe she does need a little nudge but most of the swingers we've known over the years who've crashed and burned did so because one partner pushed the limits too fast and didn't wait for the more hesitant partner to catch up. In our case we were quite surprised and what our fantasies morphed into when we really dug deep and talked about the truly deviant (by local standards anyway-lol) aspects of our fantasies. Sorry, I know that's probably not the kind of advice you were hoping for but it's been our observation over a rather lengthy swinging career. Another thought, if you're bound and determined to make your first swinging experience a MFM, is to find a guy who is okay with just watching you two play or maybe getting involved in some soft swinging...i.e. back rubs and or touching but no intercourse. We were soft swap for the first year or two of our swinging life and it was great fun and took the pressure off until we were ready to take the next step. Best of luck! edit- Sorry about what now seems like a long rambling response. In my defense it was pre-coffee. [em]Emo_79[/em] [/quote] Damnit! Evildoers is right again!

Preferences? - - AHHH.NO! DON that is not what I am refering to..anyone who thinks eating Human or any other bodily waste IS EROTIC is very MUCH DISTURBED..that is for DrPhil to handle.I mean IF you have these THINGS that YOU need TO GET OFF..THEN when those THINGS become nonexsistent anymore to you..ie-LOOKS...HAIR...PENIS or whatever then do you just HANG IT UP because you ARENT PHYSICALLY attracted to ANYONE??I think there are ALOT of SO-called SWINGERS who are nothing more than self centered people.There is a movie that came out in the 70's called SWINGERS it dealt alot with the differnt personal VIEWS of everyone in the movie.As for me I am an equal oppurtunity swinger..TO exclude anyone..just becaue your dick dosent get hard at the site of them is purely ludicrous..because that is the whole basis of marriage to be married to that ONE person that DOES everthing for you..so why would you Wife-Swap..Swing or participate in ANY extra marital activities?At one time or another EVERYONE thinks about someone or something else besides their own mate..NOW that dosent mean that you love or desire your mate ANY LESS..We all have little nuances that our mates dont have..so just to say that I HAVE to be attracted to someone JUST to have sex ...I dont know sounds sort of suspect to me of something else involved ..THATS just MY opion...Bye KattNJohn

On a serious note... - A court case that could effect lifestylers with children - IMPORTANT COURT CASE MAY AFFECT SWINGERS WITH CHILDREN NATIONWIDE!!! URGENT NOTICE TO RESPONSIBLE PARTICIPANTS IN THE ADULT LIFESTYLE This Notice is directed to all swingers, exotic dancers, adult business owners and anyone involved in the adult industry. There is a very important legal case going on in the state of Florida which can affect everyone in the swinging and adult community nationwide who has children under the age of 18. Deltadawn who is a fairly well known member of the swinging community in the Tampa Florida area has lost her right to see her 2 1/2 year old baby girl simply due to being a swinger. Deltadawn had shared custody of her 2 1/2 year old baby girl with her "ex," who happens to be an attorney. He found out that she was in the swinging lifestyle and has filed a motion with the Hernando County Court of Florida to remove all of her parental rights, primarily on the basis of her swinger lifestyle. THE OUTCOME OF THIS CASE COULD HAVE VERY SERIOUS AND DETRIMENTAL REPERCUSSIONS FOR EVERYONE IN THE ADULT LIFESTYLE. The outcome of this case is critical and could set precedent for everyone involved in any form of the adult lifestyle nationwide. If the argument that participating in the adult lifestyle reflects adversely on parental rights, losing this case could open a Pandora's Box for lifestylers with children across the country. An adverse decision in this action could mean that anyone, gay or straight, with children could be at risk of losing their children and having their parental rights stripped away, simply because of the lifestyle that we all enjoy. Swingers and everyone in the adult entertainment industry would have to live in fear that they may be turned in and could lose their children simply because of our lifestyle choice. WINNING THIS CASE COULD HELP ESTABLISH CASE PRECEDENT AND HELP PROTECT OUR PARENTAL AND CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS Winning this case will mean loving parents do not have to live in fear that our legal system, some governmental agency, or some adversarial parent, will have the ability right to terminate your parental rights or take your children, simply because of a lifestyle choice that never involves well nurtured children. The rejection of private sexual lifestyle as a basis for terminating parental rights will set precedent that could serve to protect those in the lifestyle or in the adult entertainment business from unjustified intrusions into their personal lives. Under the U.S. Constitution we should have the right to our lifestyle choice without censure, condemnation and fear of losing our children. Deltadawn has retained Luke Lirot as her attorney in her fight to maintain her parental rights. Luke Lirot is one of the premier Constitutional and adult civil rights attorneys in the country (you can do an internet search of him to verify his credentials). He is constantly traveling all over the country defending peoples civil rights and is a true champion of justice. He is constantly in the newspaper and often appears on television nationwide. As any lawyer, he depends on his clients to provide him with a living, and Justice comes at a price. Deltadawn needs your help... We need all people involved in the swinging community and adult industry, nationwide, to reach into their pockets and contribute to her legal defense fund by donating what help they can to attorney Luke Lirot. THE OUTCOME OF THIS CASE COULD HELP US ALL Please make checks or money orders payable to: LUKE LIROT, P.A. (Please write in "Deltadawn Legal Defense Compensation" in the memo section of your check or money order) For further information, please contact: Luke Lirot Attorney and Counselor at Law 112 N. East Street, Suite B Tampa, FL 33602 (Tel) 866-387-8469 (TOLL FREE), OR 813-221-9533 (Fax) 813-221-9175 Email: [email protected] We sincerely appreciate your goodwill and support in this urgent and important matter! POST SCRIPT FROM LUKE LIROT: This legal battle is truly tough. Deltadawn's lifestyle experiences are being used as a weapon to try and take a loving child, much in need of her mother's love, away from her. To stop this effort, we must employ every possible tool at our disposal. We need the services of psychologists, social workers, and other professionals to show that Lifestyle characteristics, never revealed or foisted on any child, have no detrimental impact on children. Under Florida law, like virtually every other jurisdiction in the nation, the factors evaluated by the courts are whether parental contact "is in the best interests of the child." To do this, we need to show that participation in the Lifestyle, in and of itself, does not make anyone a bad parent. There are only a few formalities. Under Florida Law, Rule 4-1.8(f) of the Rules Regulating the Florida Bar governs "Compensation by Third Party," and allows for parties unrelated to the litigation to pay fees and costs on the clients behalf. The Rule states: Compensation by Third Party. A lawyer shall not accept compensation for representing a client from one other than the client unless: 1)The client consents after consultation; 2)There is no interference with the lawyer's independence or professional judgment or with the client/lawyer relationship; and information relating to representation of a client is protected as required by Rule 4-1.6 (confidentiality of information)." If these conditions are acceptable to you, and you care about this important case, we would welcome your help. These donations are not tax deductible, but they are evidence of true human kindness. Thank you! -Luke Lirot-

How did you meet your mate? - - Chrissy and I first "met" in a Yahoo chatroom that we were both members of. We were both with others at the time, but, that soon changed. We first actually met at a Meet & Greet in Scranton, PA in August 2004. She had her boyfriend, and I was there with someone, but, I was instantly attracted to her. I then hosted a Meet & Greet in Bensalem (Philadelphia), PA in October 2004. We had about 50 people attend, and Chrissy was there alone, and so was I. We went to a diner for breakfast after the M&G, and got chatty. After the party, we contacted one another daily thru IM, and that Thursday, we agreed to a date. I drove from Newark, NJ to Philadelphia to take her to a local bar, where there was Karaoke. She is an awesome singer! We stayed at the bar until closing, shared some intimate moments, and I took her home. I drove 70 miles back home, arriving at 4 a.m. I slept one hour, and went to work. After work that Friday, I again drove down to her in Philly, and brought her back to Easton, PA, where I lived, and we attended a M&G in Allentown that Saturday. We let the group know we were a couple, and the rest is history. We have been together since, and Chrissy moved in with me in January 2005. We now reside in Northeast Philadelphia since February, and marriage is on the horizon! We are no longer active in that chatroom, but, we still go to M&G's, although now they are thru sites like this! We are very happy together, and we love the swinging lifestyle. We were both swingers prior to getting together, and now, it is the most awesome enhancement to our already stimulating sex life! We do hope to meet some of you wonderful people, so, if you want to chat, hit us here or on IM. Thanks for the great topic, and have a great weekend! Ron & Chrissy P.S.: The pic is of us at the Philly M&G in October 2004. We were NOT a couple just yet! ;)

Swingers In Uniform - Pay your memorial day respects here. - Dipshit Quixote wrote: Btw, to all of you who obviously missed me, my weekend was pretty good, thanks. I went to something called Playa Del Fuego... (look it up, if you like). Great event; they even allow people with IQs too low to measure -------------------------------------------------- That's why "The legend in his own mind", Mr Quixote showed up. Damn DJQ, get a life man. I have been reading your posts for awhile now. It is painfully obvious that you stir shit up because you have no social life man. GET OFF THE COUCH!!!!! You don't piss me off anymore. You make me pity you. You are sorry. No matter what you say now, I'm just gonna look and say, "tsk tsk." Do yourself a favor. Walk to the nearest sink, fill it with water, stick your head in it and inhale really deep. It'll take the pain away. Oh and quit trying to sound like you are this stud scholar we're all suppose to be impressed by, with your "witty" replies. Your obvious delusions of grandeur are seriously underminding your plans to impress us all. The self-implied education & culture coupled with your personality deficiencies make you a charity case. I don't wanna yell anymore, I wanna motivate you to get off your couch and go meet people in person. It might help the "Single Guy" thing as well. Sincerely, A Better Man

Roll Call. Who all here has... - Polarizing Poll - [quote=EVILDOERS]Interesting. Quick follow-up question. Was your decision to get vaccinated in any way influenced by the desire to get back out there and take a trip to pound town with other naughty swingers or was it mostly for other reasons? And, fwiw, Ms. Evil and I are vaccinated. Got ours way back in December since we're essential workers (erotic balloon animal artistes').[/quote] Not entirely about getting out to Pound Town as much as a desire to get back to normal. Having several people on our orbit who are high risk, and Mr. working in an essential industry, this was the most expedient path with the least risk. Pragmatism is why. We happen to believe vaccines work and are better than the alternative. That being said we are all about informed consent, and respecting other’s choices. Even if some of those choices are opposed to ours.

Lifestyles and Life I wrote this yrs ago - - There's 2 kinds of swingers. those that are, And those that want to be.

tired of the B>S> - - u know, i don't think we're validated or certified or whatever they call it here on this site. we've been on so many it's hard to keep track. anyway, we're very real and we just don't give a hoot about validations anymore. i guess u could say we've progressed thru maslow's hierarchy of needs for swingers to the self-actualized phase. that's a clever way of saying we no longer give a rat's ass what other people think. ;) we've been swingers since 2003, and we really only went to a lot of parties and sought out new experiences with regularity for the first 2 years. now it's just another "thang" we dabble in from time to time when the mood hits us...mostly on vacation, weekend getaways, and stuff like that. and we really have no ego stake in how many unsolicited emails we do or don't get from people asking us to hook up or inviting us to parties. if we get the itch, we'll look around, find something that piques our curiosity, and send them a message. it's all really no big deal. and we have found that folks who get wrapped around the axle about this stuff are not the kind of folks we want to hang out with anyway.

Big Birthday Bash 12/17 - In Tampa @ Night Moves II - Come and celebrate Kim & Rick\'s Birthday Celebration at Night Moves II on Saturday, December 17th. If you are already a member of the CALIENTE AND PARADISE SWINGERS Group http://groups.yahoo.com/group/calienteandparadiseswingersII/ , go to their message board for a great deal being offered by Night Moves II. Please note that you must RSVP at http://nightmovesii.com in order to get the special rate. Kim\'s birthday is the 17th and Rick\'s is the 22nd so come out to hang out with all of your friends, both old and new. Rick PS: We also starting a fun yahoo group if you would like to join http://groups.yahoo.com/group/orkos/ :z