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Swinging/Polyamory - I just wanted to hear other people thoughs on this....... - Poly is pretty much a multi-party marriage (more than two) and includes all the commitments that go with a marriage.
Swinging is "recreational sex" irreguardless of what other relationship you might be in, ie single married, poly etc.
The one thing that I disagree with in the thread is that swinging does not or should not involve a relationship. Rather it is the LEVEL of relationship/commitment that is the question. If you have friends, especially close friends (and I hope you all do) that is a relationship. "Normal society" says you must be in a much higher level of relationship/commitment ie married to have sex. Swingers say you can be on a good friends, friends, or even just acquaintences and have sex. All of these are relationships and I would submit for your consideration that there are a lot of swingers that enjoy getting together with the same people multiple times and also enjoy other things together outside of hopping into bed with each other. That all is a relationship but lower level of commitment. So maybe the commitment level is really the demarkation.
We swing and really enjoy it. We have friends that are also swing partners and we enjoy them both as swingers and friends. We have friends that don't swing and we enjoy them. Those are all relationships, but the commitment is to friendship and or swinging. Does this make sence?
Question for women - Bi sex - Hi Everyone!
As a woman and a partner I would be VERY unhappy to have an encounter 'arranged' without my knowledge. It's a trust thing, for sure. It has been my experience that the best way to experience this is in a couples situation. I've had a rocking good time with arranging f/f play in that arena. Another simple option for you is a trip to a city that has a good swingers club. :)
Gonna have to do that myself soon too :)
Good luck and lots of fun to the both of you!
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Why so much hate in the swingers world... - - Not to mention insecurity.
-D-
LDS Swingers Survey - Will any former/active LDS swingers take my survey? - Finished!
Swingfest - Hollywood Florida! - We are going to Swingfest 08 and are counting down the days to when 10,000 Naked, Joyful and Partying Swingers will converge upon Hollywood Florida to have more fun than most have ever dreamed of. Life is Really Good. Hope to see many of you there. Nancy & Tom
Why are there so many swingers from Utah? - - It is a very site by site thing.
Iowa looks like they have a lot of swingers to if you go by Swingvillage. and of course that is where the site it at...
St Louis area, same thing based on that site.
Hey Florida, you guys look like a rockin bunch, we might have to grab our group and head down....
Appropriate Parameters of Sexual Conduct in Modern Society - Should sex still have a unique status or just be another hobby? - Beard, You did open something up but I'm not sure what.
I had to copy and paste your original here so I didn't miss or get too confused..
One of your last points first: Moral refers to standards as defined by the church, the government or your neighbors(in light of the Supreme Court decission a few years ago about porn) Ethics, on the other hand are something that we define for ourselves based on our upbringing/environment and values that we have defined based on whatever we base them on.
You are right that marriage is a concept designed by religion and the government for the care of offspring and the clear definition of linage for property rights. You use the term marriage, which is a legal term like it is a moral imperative then ask if it should be based on some one or group of common interrests. Then the next breath you suggest that marriage is supposed to be more than any of that and something to do with sharing and intimacy. Finally you go back to somehow trying to make a point, (I'm not sure what that point was) that maybe there should be a conglomerate of reasons for marriage then with the nesxt breath you ask if sex should be forbidden..
Now lets see if this makes any sense to anyone. I'm poly and We swing. I have a lover who is married and her husband knows or us(he is not poly) and B knows of us and we are all good friends. We are, my lover and I, intimate both emotionally and sexually and both non poly mates knowof this. B and I are very much soulmates but then my lover is also very close to that as well. I do not wish to take her away from her husband and I do not wish to replace B. She does not want to replace her husband with me and we are alll OK with that arrangement.
In my heart of heart I am married to both in a very intimate way although I do not wish to procreate with anyone anymore. She feels the same way toward me. I would submit that marriage is an intimate, emotional and sometimes physical union of people.. I did not say two people I said people. We have been taught sex as a negative thing and relationships with more than one as a negative thing because we cannot love more than one person or more than one at any one time... I submit that we can love more than one and that the more we love the more we get back from that...
Swinging is started off as fun between close friends and sometimes the term wife swapping became a reality.... Sex is fun adn swinging is about sex and today alot of times about relationships. Relationships in my opinion are for the benefit of everyone involved... .
So I'm not sure if I understood where you were going but this is my take on the propositions as I understood them.
Depending on any person's opinion or preferences sex and love can be the same or they can be separate or they can be coincidental but it's basically up to that person or couple to make that determination....
We, in the lifestyle, may ultimately be right and marriage may change to a more contractual thing rather than some sacrosanct BS that it has become.... Swingers as a group have more than 3.4 time greater chance of remaining married than that of non swingers. The range of failed marriages is between 66 and 77% in all first and second marriages and some 70% of all married people cheat on their mates. Swinger have a better than 85% chance of marriage survival. Cheating is not exempt in Swinging but I think is is greatly reduced...
I think as swingers we have sex with friends and it can be just that or it can be more... at least for me..
Vegas: Swingers circle or couples oasis? - Which do I prefer - How far from the strip is Couples Oasis? We will be there the first weekend in April and want some fun!
Chat - - Same for us, even lesser people in the chatbox. We were always the only ones. Come on swingers, where are you???
Sexy swingers closer to our age - 20-30 year old sexy swingers - Who would interested in attending a meeting and greet of couple close to our age? We have a big group of friends already but would love to meet more of you on this tread!
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