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This lifestyle - What are we really? - What are we really? May seem like an easy question to answer or is it. Most might say "oh that easy we are swingers". Maybe you not a swinger at all maybe you polyamous. What the hell is polyamous?! Well polyamory is defined as having more then one love. Isn't that the same as saying friends with benefits. Well yes it is. True swinging is having sex just for the sake of having sex. No talking ...no getting to know each other...not caring one iota about the other person. Basically have sex and if the other person dies on the way home ...who give gives a shit! Not us...not at all. To me this lifestyle is a scale ....true swinger on the one side and true polyamory on the other...We are closer to the poly side as opposed to the true swinger side. WHat is so wonderful about that side is we can have fun with other people even if no actual sex occurs. Sometimes its nice to just be able to go out with like minded folks. Just wanted to let the people who feel the way we do understand that thier is others with the same thought process. Mordon and Jade

Swingers In Uniform - Pay your memorial day respects here. - Um, Red Hun. I completely get all the points in your post but the one thing that that jumped under my skin, is the statement that this Don Juan asshole is a "fucking" Democrat based on his fucked up views. My husband (and others in my family) serve(d) in the military too and WE ARE DEMOCRATS. Being one, I do not agree with the shit he said in his post and it serves him right for the backlashing that he received for what he said. I completely support our our troops and is very grateful for what they did and are still doing. I also know plenty of Dem. who feel the same way I do, just as I know a few Rep. who has that dickwads same point of view. But to place him in our category in such a derogative way, offends me. Its like saying "Oh shit, you smell like a wet dog when you get out the shower...You must be white" or "Damn, your nose is big...You must be black". See how offensive that is. Not to spark a heated thing in this positive thread, I just wanted to let you know. Now back to our regularly scheduled thread...lol Plain and simple...We don't wanna claim him....try pushing his ass off onto another group... :p

What makes you ignore vs. view a particular profile? - - Did you see our attachment, you go on a date without seeing pics first, this is what you will have knocking at your door.. LOL. Ok, there seems to be an underlying theme here.... PICS!!! Holy crap people everytime I see an email or think someone is cool in the chat room and click on their profile and it has "0" pictures, it really pisses me off. How many people out there do you think would honestly meet someone or a couple without seeing them? I've even asked the question and have had people tell me honestly that they have met people without seeing them!! No Freakin Way! Look, we aren't pretensious, and are the first people to hang with and find friendship and great qualities in everyone we meet. BUT, and that's a big but (no pun intended lol), we aren't sleeping with everyone on here. There is a thing called "chemistry" and "attraction". Unfortunately for us, we aren't out to get banged by every willing couple. If we click, and there is great chemsitry, chances are HIGH that we will hook up. But I'm here to tell you, if we can't see you and you don't post your pictures, you're wasting your time. And DONT try and IM us at yahoo wanting to chat if you don't identify yourself. If we could design and develop a swingers website, pictures would be a prerequisite. No Pics, No Profile, period!! Am I sounding harsh? I hope not, but it's the truth damn it! So PUT YOUR PICS ON YOUR PROFILE!! Thank you. Uthotcplextreme.

How to identify yourself as a Swinger - - LOL, yeah this subject...or fantasy (and the black ring, or the ankle bracelet, or the...(insert urban legend here)) crops up every few months or so. Bottom line, no matter how hard people want to find a way to ID other swingers in public it won't happen. Let's say for a minute that all or even just most swingers DID agree somehow on some kind of article to wear or display. It would take about 24 hours (likely less) for someone to post it online and it would be pretty much common knowledge within a week. Ergo nobody would actually display it for fear of being outed. Sorry, just human nature on all counts. We identify other swingers the old fashioned way. Sheer irrational speculation. Either that of we consult the Psychic Network. Both ways work equally well. [em]Emo_67[/em]

patriot or not - pledge - I've been reading, with some interest, the pontifications and protestations on the issues of this post. Some talk about morals some about duty some about apothy of people. I 'll ask: What is worals? Are swingers moral if society finds it averant? Is this country based on good Christian principals? Is this current government or administration trying to turn this country into a theocracy? This ccountry was founded so that everyone should have the right to live their life in their own manner, to be free to pursue whatever they wish so long as it does not interfere with others rights and liberties, and to be happy in those rights. As for religion, here I go again quoting the father of our constitution, Thomas Jefferson said; "I have recently been examining all known superstitions of the world, and do not find in our particular superstition (Christianity) one redeeming feature. They are all alike founded on fables and mythology." God's be damned, government be damned as well and if we do nothing to oppose bad government we are not patriotic, we are fools who will watch our country drown in it's own bile.. We can talk forever about what is and is not good but until we live what is good and moral, (morality is that principle which basically says "do no harm" like the doctors pledge) but until we apply true morality to our own lives and speak boldly to government which rules in fear and demogogery and to business which thinks that God is a dollar or a yen or any other form of currency, we will be be responsible for our own plight.... Just a thought or two... Since we do not study history or at least it's tennons we will be forced to repeat the mistakes made before....

Meeting new swingers? - Where to meet them? - we meet most on the net... but our friends have a monthly meet and greet party... about 300 to 400 show up its a great way to meet new friends. For those who are interested the link is http://www.secretdesires.org/

At what point do you out yourselves to family and friends?? - - I completely agree with you on the fact about "IF" our son became a swinger oneday. We wouldn't care either way as long like you said he was making a responsible decision and not just going along with someone because he thought it sounded fun or he though hell mom and dad did it I can too. However I must say there are alot of ppl we know personally that would die if their children found out or indeed became swingers themselves,I am of the mind set ppll who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. But of course thats just our .02 and our son does know about our lifestyle and my bisexuality.

Swingers gone bad?? - - I can't or wwon't take the moral high ground here. I believe what was done was legally wrong. I was having sex by age 12 and knew what I was doing then. Was I legally competant??? According to statutes then and now, I was too young to make a good judgement. Did these boys or any others boys ever need alcohol to get into the mood to have sex??? Legally they did wrong.... If the boys were 10, 9 maybe even 11 maybe then they sould be too young to participate... Now people taking the moral high ground........ Is swinging morally right? The lifestyle is sometimes called a fringe thing. It's not illegal according to the law but there are those who say that morality says that sharing each other with someone outside of the marriage is wrong. For those of you in Utah.... Polygamy, polygyny and polyandry is wrong... Actually the state had to outlaw the practice of having more than one wife or they wouldn't have gotten statehood. So they used the term Polyegemy or having more than one wife or having more than one husband at the same time. Polygyny is having more than one wife at the same time. It is illegal in most states for either of these 3 states or conditions to exist or to participate in. I guess what I'm saying is, Are swingers morally upright or righteous enough to make the moral judgement on these people. Certainly, what they did was illegal but.... 50 years ago what we do today would have gotten us ousted from the community, church, loss of job (and that could still happen today) and maybe even jailed, under the right circumstances.. So, before we cast the first stone let us be certain that we are righteous or that we are well outside of our glass house.

Any Swingers out there? Golf swingers that is... - - So I jump ship in Hong Kong and I make my way over to Tibet, and I get on as a looper at a course over in the Himalayas... well, its a great story and, well, I got that goin for me. Somebody plan a round, I'm in!

Sex vs. Guilt - Atheists have 'better sex lives than followers of religion who are plagued with guilt' - [quote=EVILDOERS]I'm still trying to figure out how/why they "preyed" for forgiveness. Interesting topic after watching swinging evolve here in Utah for the past 25 years and seeing those coming from strict Mormon backgrounds (ourselves included) either abandon the faith and/or faith in general or try to rationalize their adulterous activities. We've met quite a few people who while fucking suddenly decide it's getting too late since they have church in the morning. Gives new meaning to the term "Fast Sunday".[/quote] When you consider that the largest religious group in Utah is the LDS faith it is not surprising that the largest group of swingers is from that faith. I was told by mother that the fly boys of WWII used to say that Mormon girls don