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Here's something Ive been curious about - - Congrats on 10 years in the lifestyle, SLOW. We're old timers as well and have been doing this off and on since shortly after we got married. Over 25 years now! So I guess I can sort of see both points of view and contrary to the current rather negative societal attitude towards political correctness I have no trouble being firmly on the side of being kind to people and not labeling or belittling anyone regarding their participation in the lifestyle. Having said that, however, I can also see the viewpoint of some couples since when we first started swinging there really were no singles (or at least so few that we never met any) actively participating in the lifestyle. A few years later we met a few singles who would, say, hire a hooker to gain access to parties and events or sometimes convince a friend to act as sort of a swinging "beard" if you will, again to gain entry to swinging events. This was all pre-internet so connecting was considerably more difficult than it is now. To say that the internet changed swinging (for better or worse) is a HUGE understatement. I was talking to a guy (formerly single but now in a couple) recently about his experiences as both a SM and a couple in the lifestyle. His attitude had actually changed dramatically. It reminded me of former smokers who now are militantly anti-smoking. His argument (now that he's no longer single) was to take the couples and the singles and put them on separate websites and what do you have? He said you have a swingers site and a hookup site. I told him that there are some couples who actually seek out singles over other couples but he wasn't easily dissuaded. One final point he made that I thought perhaps was a valid point...he said when he first started out as a SM in swinging he thought that all or most of the married guys who enjoyed seeing their wives getting fucked were basically cuckolds or at very least not real men. He said it took him many years and a lot of different experiences to lose that mindset. He also said that now that he's part of a couple who is frequently contacted by single guys he sees that attitude (because he recognizes it from when he had it) far more often than not. He stated that he would guess that the VAST majority of those single guys who don't "get it", the bad apples if you will, the ones who ruin it for the few good guys have that attitude and mindset. He said that's why there will probably always be somewhat of a schism between singles and couples. Whew, that was a long fucking post. Hope it made sense. No more herb before posting, Mr. Evil! LOL

Wannabes and net fakes - Will the real lifestyle members please stand up - We have learned the best phrase to learn quickly in this lifestlye is "NEXT" lets face it this is nothing but a #'s game you have to contact loy=ts to find the few good ones and once you find those good ones it makes all the weeding out of the fakes and flakes worth it. Like we tell people a social meeting or two is fine but we do not intend to date you a year before you decide if you want to play with us or not . We just wish people would have the balls to say at least "no thanks" or tellthe truth they are "wanna" swingers into only the fantasy of it and never really intend to do it. When we find those we simply say "NEXT!" Norm&Sharon

Secret Swingers Club Ogden, UT - Clubs - Tonight’s password is for the ladies: “I’m just here to work on my dick-tionary and flick-opedias”. 😉

YOLO Cruise April 26 2009 - swingers cruise - 21 days and counting !!! :D

Free Poker in Tampa Bay! - - For any that are interested, we are members in a free Texas Holdem poker league in the Tampa Bay area. If interested, please check out www.treasurechestpoker.com. We go at least three times a week, and would love to meet some of our fellow swingers there! Ron & Chrissy

Married men, solo time - What do you think? - Swingers talk a lot about commitments and open relationships. However they are in a minority position when it comes to numbers. If you are married and want a divorce and your partner will not give you one, should you be forced to have her approval to swing? It is easy for us to say do this or do that. But some things are not easy to do. I spent 10 years being emotionally separated from my wife before my divorce. Due to certain circumstances, divorce was not even a consideration during that period of my life. But for me, sex with others was not a consideration either. However, I sure understand why some men would make it an option. We all have opinions and there are no easy answers and no right or wrong ones that are set in stone. There are only the ones that are right for you. It sounds to me that you have already made up your mind though.

On Premise Swingers Club - SLC - we were members of the previous club and if another one opened here we would be members there

What sets you apart from other swingers - Lets see whos looking for what. - What sets you apart from the crowd? Who does what to put some couple above all the rest? Single guys/girls, your in this too! What do you have to offer better than others? What do you think gives you the edge on other couples, singles, hard, soft? Is it bodies, technique, skill, age, oral, toys, knowledge, popularity? If your a guy that says"I gotta big dick" thats lame...WTF do you do with your "Big dick" besides slap it around on a cam. Ladies, do you pretend on cam?, or do you give good head?..trust us guys, we have all had good and bad head! or do ya got a pussy that makes any man scream? Whats your talent? Whats your weakness? Wheres the spot that someone can hit, and you can no longer walk?..lol What do you do that makes legs quiver? Time for an interesting thread here...something thats useful and ya may get a hot date out of it!!;) ~D&T~

Why so much hate in the swingers world... - - ULUV, Insecurity, fear, unwillingness, ignorance etc. I believe a true swinger or "Libertine" is one that exercise free thought and actions without regard to morals or a dogma. This means not only in sex, but all things. I strive to be openminded with everything, but no one is perfect. I, like everyone am at a level of openmindedness in my life and I am striving to achieve new levels of understanding everyday. Some of will remain, some of with regress, while some us will continue to advance our whole lives. Willingness to open up to new ideas and concepts helps. Hate will exist as long as ignorance does. Kinsey is among many scientists that have and do explore the realm of human sexuality. Many people don't try and take the time to better understand themselves. We are such egocentric creatures fundementally, that we often lose sight of reality through our own perception. That perception has ben clouded by propaganda, ignorance of fact and misinformation. I strive to better understand those around me, by coaxing them to interact with me here. Sometime, I admit, I manipulate them with controversial subject matter to "stir the pot", but it get shit moving and get's people talking and interacting. There in the combustion chamber, can we all see what's happening. We just have to do our best to take of the clouded goggles of our perceptions and open our minds to the sometimes harsh, sometime beautiful reality. I am still trying to get mind all the way off. -D- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kinsey_Reports

Friend collectors or swingers - - We fwb couple. We don't like collecting friends and I usually clean out most about once a year. Just hard to find a good friend