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Party Group for Non-Redheads - Wouldn't such a group without such flaws be great? - {Warning...this is a goofy parody, not to be taken seriously!!! Warning for the seriousness police!! We've been in this lifestyle awhile, have attended some parties and would like to throw a question out there for debate. Not to get anyone's panties all in a wad by golly, just as a debate of general interest. Yeah, a debate for fun. I like to party with only those folks that I find extremely attractive--you know, those folks that look like me. To that end, I was wondering what you folks thought about starting a group where only non-redheads are invited? Mind you, I've nothing against those redheaded swingers out there, I'm sure they're fine folks. It's just that I find tanned bodies to be much healthier appearing and, lets be honest, redheads don't tan -- they burn. And when we have beach parties it really pains me to see all these redheads slathering on tanning solution yet still burning. Ouch, I can just do without that vision. I feel bad for them, I have great sympathy for their condition. Plus, redheads tend to have lots of freckles. I'm sure that SOME people find freckles to be attractive, just not me. There's nothing wrong with freckles though, I guess. What do you all think? Should we create such a party group to exclude these freckled folk so that we don't all have to play Rorschach games trying to decipher if all those freckles connected represent anything? Oh sure, I could have just created a group or a party event and simply stated my preferences and given information as to how to join my group or party and how to prove to me that you're not a redhead. I've every right to do that and, seeing that we all have our PERSONAL preferences, I believe most folks here would be very supportive of that. But I thought it'd be much more fun to have a public discussion as to the majorities feelings about the "redheaded" look and whether there was an overall agreement that such a non-redheaded party would be popular. NOT to belittle the redheads, mind you, just to have a frank and open discussion. Isn't that what this forum is for, to discuss peoples' physical features that they can't possibly change? Right here in public? Yeah, so don't be negative about my post here, OK? I'm just trying to start a constructive dialog. BTW, I don't mean strawberry blondes. I think those would be OK. As long as they can get a nice tan. Without freckles. I still haven't started my group yet, or announced a proposed party or time. I'm awaiting all of your input as to this great idea and what you yourselves think about these redheaded swinger folk. So post up your opinions so that I can decide whether I want to start this group or not! - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - OK, I'm trying to be tongue-in-cheek here, so I'm already in trouble with the seriousness police. But is my approach here really all that different than what has seemed to be occurring on this board lately? I really have NO objection at all to folks personal preferences. None. We all have them. But for gosh sake, just create the booty call, the party event, the group or whatever. Place your preferences in your profile and on the event, group, or booty call description. Is a public debate as to the popularity of my physical features or your physical features really necessary? What is the REAL goal of even starting such a debate? Just make the group, create the party, state your personal preferences and interested folks will follow you and other folks will not feel belittled by a public debate about the merits of their "look." I think it is fantastic for us all to have as many different options available as possible. I LOVE variety! :) I just re-read this before I post. I hope the first part of it's taken in the goofy way that it's meant. :)

Hall pass - - InvestigatingKink, it looks like we have been in the LS (lifestyle) about the same time, less than a year. Everyone has different needs and weaknesses in their marriage, and I certainly don't judge what other people do, at least not ethically. We were at a party just last night and talking to several couples who have been in the LS for a lot of years. We were discussing this very subject. They all had stories of people who started playing separately and most of those couples are now divorced. Their belief is that it is often very difficult on marriages and definitely not for the majority of swingers. Now all of you hall pass and open marriage people, don't get freaky on me. This is just speculation on my part and opinion of those I talk to. There are many I'm sure it works great for. I believe the LS can be seriously hard on your marriage if you are not in prime shape. We ourselves have had struggles just doing what we do (as I think everyone has had at some point) so to add more uncertainty to the situation would be tough. Also, to us (again, not judging) this is about a journey we are taking together. I like to watch her interact with people and be flirted with and she enjoys the same. If we were not together it feels as if we have moved on to something different. But we are probably rare. Our name alone, SameRoomOnly, should give you and idea of our ideals. I know this is going to sound crazy, but we aren't in the LS just to fuck a bunch of people. We truly enjoy the fun people, making friends and experiencing new things together. An analogy could be made to travel. We both love to travel. But if we started taking separate vacations all of the time, it wouldn't be as enjoyable. Hawaii is wonderful if I am there alone, but if she is with me, it makes the experience so much better. I want her to share in my experiences. Last thing is that we communicate together, almost always. It isn't that we are jealous of what a person says to either on of us, but we like to know what is being said, as a team. It keeps us honest and open and prevents us from having to recap any conversations. We trust each other completely, but we also realize that anyone can mess up and by putting yourself in a situation that could potentiate cheating or dishonesty doesn't seem wise to us. I'm sure some of you will want to interject and say "well, you two must not trust each other. We never worry about things like that. We love each other too much." Maybe so. But our opinion is that when you start to spend alone time with another person, talking freely about whatever the subject may be and are fucking that person, well...it seems dangerous. It's just like when I am at work. If a girl flirts with me or gets too close, I make sure to tell my wife and keep her updated and I also try to distance myself from that person. Not that I plan on cheating, but we are all human and have weaknesses. And by always being honest and open it helps to keep our marriage strong. So, maybe the truth is that we are just not secure enough in our relationship to do something like hall passes or an open marriage, or maybe the truth is that everyone who tries it will fail miserably and end up divorced. It probably is somewhere in the middle of that spectrum, as most things are. Few things are black or white. But we wouldn't entertain the idea of a consistent hall pass. Maybe once, or twice, just to experience it, but an ongoing thing, no way. Good luck with whatever you decide. Mr. SameRoomOnly

Friend collectors or swingers - - Perhaps this has already been mentioned but many friendship request are so people can perv your pics...hoping for something more. The locked pics require granting a friend request. This probably is why people get so many blind friend request. The best part is when you get a blind friend request from someone with no pics...hmmmm I wonder what they are thinking. We ignore most blind friend request, we block single male (no offense, we are not interested) and we always write before a friend request.

BD/SM- Why are there no groups? - - I'm fairly certain there are at least a couple of BDSM groups here. Have you tried searching in groups? Not sure why you think those interested in this type of play would necessarily want to keep it private. These days (especially with the whole "Fifty Shades" phenomena) it's practically main stream. But yes there are outside groups...many call it the "Kink Community" who pretty much do this type of play exclusively and aren't necessarily swingers. In all actuality swinging is becoming fairly watered down these days with all the different groups (I'm thinking of polys as well as many other fetishes and play styles) wanting to be included under the big umbrella of swinging. It's a wonder anyone really ends up hooking up these days. LOL

Gym locations again 2018!!! - Which gyms are you guys at? - [quote=HELISWINGER]I’ve heard of treehouse. Is it true you guys have butlers? 😂[/quote] We are at Treehouse. Yes, we have butlers there, but we call them "man-servants or "towel boys." Lol Ironically we have never even been blinked at, let alone HIT on at the infamous "swingers gym." The staff is fastidiously careful to avoid even the slightest sexual comment or compliment. It's terrible. We just work out, throw up, and go home.

Utah Nude Beach Sunday - hike first then time at the beach - Pretty sure here in Utah you could make a pretty good case for "standing your ground". "Your honor, I was HIGHLY offended that all these people were running around nekkid so I just decided to shoot 'em and let Jesus sort 'em out. And the fact that they were out there with their cooters and wieners hanging out on the Lord's Day? Well, I just snapped. This ain't California this is Utah. Brother Brigham was prolly rollin' over in his grave at the thought of a bunch of nekkid swingers running around. Did you know they fuck each other's wives and they aren't even married, your Honor? Yeah, disgusting! I was just saving the taxpayers money by using my own bullets so the cops wouldn't have to shoot 'em. Yes, your honor, I'm pretty sure some of them were also on abortifacient birth control that they didn't even pay for themselves. Yes, your Honor. We'd be honored if you'd join us the next time they're out there for a little 'target practice'". [em]Emo_84[/em]

KUTV News Story on Swingers - News - At the end she said this person experienced it over 5 years ago, so all of this was really Old News. She has since been remarried to a Vanilla. Basically this was all BS.

Friend collectors or swingers - - We fwb couple. We don't like collecting friends and I usually clean out most about once a year. Just hard to find a good friend

Effinghman - Swingers - Looking for local swingers 62501

What are swingers really looking for ?Are they looking for frien - Has the happen to you. - Our experiences has shown that there are a lot of people on swinger sites that don't take the time to read the ENTIRE profile before writing. No matter how clearly you try to write up your profile there will ALWAYS be people that are so intent at sending messages out they don't take the time to read. One site we goto we have all our contact info in the profile and even put in the profile 3 times that we can't respond back since we are not paid members. We have lost count of how many times people don't read this even though it's clearly marked in the profile.