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Swingers dying out? - Is the utah swinger community dying or becoming to needy? - We agreed... swinging has greatly slowed down in the last few years, and it can still be fun, but not as fun and open minded as it used to be, We can see the point on the opening statement, and it you had been into swinging for longer of 5 years you need to admit the scene has changed, the events are more center on the money and getting more pricey over time, and it's not about the money to us and some comment we read that "if $30 to $50 is too much you have bigger problems" it s not the money but the value of the experience. We go on business to Vegas every other weekend and take the time and advantage of the opportunities there we spend 10 to 20 times the money we would spend here in Utah but it's worth it, i bet the events organizers here are great... all we are saying it's not like it use to be a few years back we miss those times...

Here's something Ive been curious about - - It seems like the lifestyle is no less judgmental than the vanilla crowd. Honestly we aren't here so we can wear the cool lifestyle team jacket nor get our super-secret swinger decoder ring (drink more Ovaltine and use a condom). It's kind of funny that the same group of people who get all bent out of shape at the vanilla community for labeling and judging us turn around and do it from within. If I missed some federal definition of the term swinger than perhaps I'm wrong, otherwise why waste a moment of time passing judgment on who gets deemed worthy of the sacred title? I would have to say the definition of a swinger is someone who says "hey, I'm a swinger!" Be honest, how many swinger couples do you know that never play? They may go to meet and greets, maybe even house parties, but seldom if ever play. Are they swingers? Is there some monthly quota we need to meet to maintain our swinger status? I'm being over the top to make a point. I think of the lifestyle crowd as an enlightened group that realizes sex is amazing and variety is amazing and sex with variety is TOTALLY AWESOME! We forgo the silly social rules and regulations because we understand how much they confine society into little boxes of good and bad, right and wrong; and most of that is subjective moral hogwash. It's kind of discouraging to see members of a community that should be supporting one another pass judgment as to who is and who isn't. Being a swinger is a state of mind baby. Nobody can make you a swinger, nobody can take it away. So in closing to the single swingers out there I say...go swing you fricking swinging swingers you!!! Now, if you want to define something useful...what the hell is bi-comfortable (kidding, totally kidding I know there are all sorts of threads dedicated to that topic)?

Mon chalet - Swingers motel - Mon chalet was a great place for the weekend its a must try hot us up if you want info

Has anyone else in UT seen this new story? - - The funniest part about this is I (Mr) have first hand knowledge of many police officers being swingers themselves. I find a shit load of irony in how they raid parties when they themselves are involved in many of these activities.

Are you more or less tolerant? - - [quote=DELICIOUSLYWET]We think that in regards to your own appearance that you just cannot take the negativity that will be thrown your way too seriously. When we first formed this profile there was a group that threw parties that had a strict "undressed code" as to how you should look naked. A lot of people understandably got offended and there was a lot of banter and unfriendliness in the forums. We actually got several invitations, from some members of that group to join. We declined the invitations but we were surprised we were invited. For all the banter back and forth we would not have been welcome due to our age and or some sort of flaw in the body. Perhaps the exclusivity was the sell point and the members were more average than you would expect. Not that there is anything wrong with average. What the hell is average appearance anyway? Acceptance meant you were a notch above the rest in the eyes of the members as in the only true swingers. Does feeling sexy about yourself have to come at the expense of others? I do not know if that group still exist anymore. The founder fell in love and went monogamous last I knew. Well about that same time we submitted application as it were to join an older longer established group that puts together parties because we thought the parties looked like fun. About 60 days after our submission to join the group was sent we got back an e-mail declining our participation. We could get upset and lose time and joy wondering if we just were not sexy enough to be considered among the elite or we could just move on and know we were still going to find new and exciting people and adventures anyway. The real reasons for denial are only found within the person or persons that said no and if they have their reasons those same reasons do not make them bad people. I like to think that way at least. Mrs. Delicious just told me, as she was walking out the door to an appointment, that if they don't like her there must be something wrong with them. We can imagine until the cows come home and we will probably never guess right and it really does not matter anyway. I like to think the group, that told us no, is fun and is having fun but will just not know us. You cannot be part of everything anyway. The tendency for us to imagine that any group that might reject us is full of miserable losers that would not know sexy if it bit them is not good for us and the no was probably delivered with a lot less intolerance than we are imagining. I think we should concentrate on discovering more joy by fully focusing on the doors that are open to us. We are all going to get rejected from time to time and it might hurt but don't dwell on it. Opportunities to connect and to live and love surround us all. [/quote] Well written my friend and as a single male in this lifestyle this is something that needs to be preached and practiced

Eastern Idaho couple looking to meet couples. - - Charleys on Saturday night..... lots o swingers there:) We used to host meet n greets here in Pocatello... there are a ton of peeps here. every one is kinda shy and very busy... esp this time of year. Good luck!

Are u a vol? - - Hoping to hear from the other folks who like to swing that live in Tennessee. Are there any dance clubs or other social places to party with like minded swingers?

For those who don’t understand the lifestyle - It’s what makes sense for you - The REALLY fucked up thing is how many people would or DO look down on swingers and swinging as something aberrant, abnormal, and disgusting, yet think people cheating and having affairs is a fairly normal part of life. It would seem that being open and upfront about your sexual desires with your spouse is somehow bad and sneaking around lying and cheating is good. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Reject Affair Match - Cheaters are not swingers - What are you guys talking about? What is Affair Match?

Small Admission Fee - Come join us but pay a small fee - God I love a bashing party and with nothing to do can't resist jumping in. Even though I love to be a smart ass sorry Dave I can't bash you, you did nothing wrong by defending yourself against this garbage post and have harmed me in no way so maybe another time. As for the rest of you that have spoken wisdom and given me the right to express mine I thank you. Now Mav I would like to know how your created such a following with your words of wisdom or maybe it's the smell of horse shit that attracts them. You have made a total of 6 comments. First Comment I'm all about helping cover hotel costs but "bring a bottle and a small admission fee of $50" seems rather excessive. Shouldn't the costs of the room be divvied up evenly? This seems like prostitution to me. OK I was the dumb one here thinking it was a legitimate question and answered it not knowing you were about to name and judge someone you had no right to. Now your second comment I love and my favorite reason to bash anyone that chooses to make newbies feel stupid then feed them garbage that makes no sense.. I wonder how many good people left the site thanks to you. I understand newbies can say some really dumb shit at times but unlike you I try and give a real answer GILDETHRILL wrote I would say $50 is fine for single guys! To help pay for the room cuz all your really going to be doing is fucking the woman that come and 90% of the time men out number the woman! But if there was a party that the woman out numbered the men, then the woman should pay to cover costs! Spoken like a total nube. Member since August 2014. Mav you said. No, it is not all right to discriminate. If you like that scene, go for it. Or you could have some class and hold out for the couple/single/group that truly appreciates you. WTF are you saying he is discriminating against women, men, money? Did you tell him anything that made sense at all? Now my answer to you GILDETHRILL would be why don't you do one for yourself and tell all the women for fifty bucks,,,, no wait for free they can have you. Well I think you can guess within one how many will show up. See women don't think like us men and have the urge to stick anything that will spread their legs. It also is why an event charges double for men and free for women, it evens things up a little, if it was the other way around a lot of single guys would be standing around with dick in hand wondering where the women were. Now number three and your legal advice all I have to say is next time I need legal advice I would ask the horse your sitting on before you. WOW! Never saw the lawsuit angle coming. I'm not surprised often but DAMN! Totally got me. Just remember everyone, the single most effective defense against libel is THE TRUTH! You can't be sued for saying what someone ACTUALLY did. So, feel free to post away what was said between people. And notice I am talking in generalities. Not giving legal advice, just common knowledge. Your fourth comment came after SheLove wrote Utah people are such tight asses with there money. Where can you get layed for under $50. Really. Grow some balls. You said SheLove, it isn't about the money. It is about sex for money. That is called prostitution. Do you not see that? The lifestyle is not about paying for sex. It is about consenting adults having fun for the sake of having fun. No money involved. Now I'm a little confused because I consider sex a type of entertainment. So I'm trying to think of something fun that wouldn't cost me a dime. Lets see solitaire na need to buy cards, wait after some thought my sock puppet will always join me for free, O shit I forgot to wash it last time and that costs money. So Mav I have to ask what exactly is sex to you anyway, your profile says nothing of what your willing to GIVE a lady to make it worth her time. And so you understand I'm not talking about money. Do you have a big dick, know how to use your tongue or fingers. Or do you just roll over on your back and tell her to please you because it's a womans job and not worth a cent anyway. Next you said Now he is advertising the orgy on craigslist!! Come on now it that the best news from craigs you have to tell us. What about this one did you post it? Its late, any ladies interested in some black cock tonight?8/7 - m4w 25 (University of Utah ) Then comes this piece of work OK, I've had a change of mind based on the opinions presented here. CrazyDave is a businessman like other posts and hosts. I cannot hold that against him. His tactics, well, that is questionable. But others are doing it as well. So, go forth and party CrazyDave. $50 isn't that bad off considering the costs of other parties. A Little Magic: if you DEMAND that I pay for everything to EXPECT sex, then yes, that is prostitution. If you ask me to pay for everything in 2014, then we would never go out. There isn't anything less sexy than a woman wanting the guy to pay for everything. Hike up that skirt and join 2014. You insult Dave, anyone that posts, hosts of parties others. Then called a very sweet lady that has foot the bill for a guy more times than you know a PROSTITUTE. What I don't get is how without a single nice good word about anyone you managed to put together a wonderful fallowing of perfect swingers, maybe you should think about a group of your own called bashing swingers enter at your own risk. If only I wasn't tired I could comment about their worthless bashing and speculation. [em]Emo_60[/em]