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Appropriate Parameters of Sexual Conduct in Modern Society - Should sex still have a unique status or just be another hobby? - Beard, You did open something up but I'm not sure what.
I had to copy and paste your original here so I didn't miss or get too confused..
One of your last points first: Moral refers to standards as defined by the church, the government or your neighbors(in light of the Supreme Court decission a few years ago about porn) Ethics, on the other hand are something that we define for ourselves based on our upbringing/environment and values that we have defined based on whatever we base them on.
You are right that marriage is a concept designed by religion and the government for the care of offspring and the clear definition of linage for property rights. You use the term marriage, which is a legal term like it is a moral imperative then ask if it should be based on some one or group of common interrests. Then the next breath you suggest that marriage is supposed to be more than any of that and something to do with sharing and intimacy. Finally you go back to somehow trying to make a point, (I'm not sure what that point was) that maybe there should be a conglomerate of reasons for marriage then with the nesxt breath you ask if sex should be forbidden..
Now lets see if this makes any sense to anyone. I'm poly and We swing. I have a lover who is married and her husband knows or us(he is not poly) and B knows of us and we are all good friends. We are, my lover and I, intimate both emotionally and sexually and both non poly mates knowof this. B and I are very much soulmates but then my lover is also very close to that as well. I do not wish to take her away from her husband and I do not wish to replace B. She does not want to replace her husband with me and we are alll OK with that arrangement.
In my heart of heart I am married to both in a very intimate way although I do not wish to procreate with anyone anymore. She feels the same way toward me. I would submit that marriage is an intimate, emotional and sometimes physical union of people.. I did not say two people I said people. We have been taught sex as a negative thing and relationships with more than one as a negative thing because we cannot love more than one person or more than one at any one time... I submit that we can love more than one and that the more we love the more we get back from that...
Swinging is started off as fun between close friends and sometimes the term wife swapping became a reality.... Sex is fun adn swinging is about sex and today alot of times about relationships. Relationships in my opinion are for the benefit of everyone involved... .
So I'm not sure if I understood where you were going but this is my take on the propositions as I understood them.
Depending on any person's opinion or preferences sex and love can be the same or they can be separate or they can be coincidental but it's basically up to that person or couple to make that determination....
We, in the lifestyle, may ultimately be right and marriage may change to a more contractual thing rather than some sacrosanct BS that it has become.... Swingers as a group have more than 3.4 time greater chance of remaining married than that of non swingers. The range of failed marriages is between 66 and 77% in all first and second marriages and some 70% of all married people cheat on their mates. Swinger have a better than 85% chance of marriage survival. Cheating is not exempt in Swinging but I think is is greatly reduced...
I think as swingers we have sex with friends and it can be just that or it can be more... at least for me..
Secret facebook group for SLC? - - I actually started one: Northern Utah / Southwest Wyoming Swingers
It isn't jumping yet, but would like to see more people added.
Search for Nathan H., I live in Mtn View.
I posted this in case you are interested in joining. I figured that if we were able to get a group going we could communicate in ways other than on here. The choice is yours, there is no pressure
Honeybears23 - Couple - Looking for swingers over 50 for fun times in Virginia
We thought this was educational and should explain a lot about s - keep an open mind. Swingers are spiders. Each to their own unique ways! - You can learn a lot of about swinging from Monkey's as well. If they get it...then we have no problems at all. Be the animal within!!! haha
Tooele swingers party 2 - Doing our second party - When is the party???
Why are there prostitutes on Swingular? - - I know.. I was just being a smart ass. But it was ME who posted her profile link. ;)
You're welcome to everyone who is using a swinger site to find a sex worker!
I heard that EROS is better for this.. but give swingular a few more months. It might just catch up!!
[quote=Mrnmrsb][quote=ANONYMOUS]I do marketing for a living if anyone wants to hire me. ;)[/quote]
I was referring to the prostitute being a smart business person for using a swingers web site. Because as everyone has pointed out. WAYYYYY TOO MANY SINGLE MEN and not enough single women.[/quote]
What is up with Utah?! - Swingers in Utah and nowhere else? - oh my blondone.... i know where i'd love to be located;)
Fantasy Friday - Share them! - [quote=EVILDOERS]I know it's only Thursday (or Thorsday, if you prefer) but Friday can NOT get here fucking soon enough so I'm going to start this a little early and see if it can get some traction that will carry this thread into the weekend.
We thought it might be fun to share some of our naughtiest sexual fantasies with each other. Let's either share some written fantasies or, maybe, even some pics or gifs (or videos!) of any fantasies that are rolling around in your brain right now, or that HAVE rolled around in there in the past, or that might pop up based on something you read about someone else's fantasy. This is the place to post your deepest, darkest, wildest sex thoughts even if it might be something you don't necessarily ever want to act out.
Oh, and just for fun, please post a "Yes", "No", or "Maybe" about each fantasy depending on whether it's something you def would like to happen, def DON'T ever want to happen IRL, or MAYBE would like to happen given the right circumstances and/or people involved.
And PLEASE, no judgments about someone else's fantasy...unless it like involves kids or something illegal or really disgusting.
Who knows, maybe it will strike a chord with other swingers and it might start a dialog or something that could lead to meeting people IRL who share your fantasy and want to help you fulfill it. I'll start it off with a fairly mainstream one of Ms. Evil's and this is a 'maybe' but most likely closer to a 'yes'! :-)
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Girls that are into DP - How common is this activity among the swingers? - Helicopter dick!!! Ya baby!!!
Adulter or Swinger? - - I'll probably catch a lot of flack for what I'm about to say but here goes. SWINGING is or was started by servicemen in the late 50 and early 60's . Two MARRIED couples would SWAP wives for the night. Generally, the odd couples would repair to different rooms and play. The only thing sharred about it was that they had swapped... Then it progressed to parties and shoe parties or key parties and couples would go with the person whos shoe or keys they would get from the pile. Over the years single women were welcomed into the swinger ranks since swinging/swapping had evolved to simply recreational sex.... They were welcomed because women were looking for bi sexual experiences and men like the idea of 2 on one and watching women together. Enter the single men.... When I was younger we called young single men and women getting together dating... Now we have singles "dating" swingers????
Enter the married guy who isnot happy with what he has at home and thinks swinging is a legal/moral way to get strange.... Bottom line one needs to be married or in a committed relationship to cheat. Cheating is where one of the couple goes out and plays with someone other than their partner....
So for a married woman, not in a "relationship" to have sex with anyone, another single, randomly is not cheating but in a very broad sense, is in fact swinging. I would also say that one could also say that that person is dating.... regardless of the sexual connotations.
One thing to note here is that swinging has evolved to something more than recreational sex. It now has the connotation of friends or friendship involved. In fact, there are actually people who wish to have closed sexual relations with one or more couples. Exclusive in nature where each couple involved only has sex with their partner and with ONLY people who have agreed that they willl do the same...
So cheating is the only cut and dried issue... Non consensual sex with other than ones own partner of a committed relationship. The rest is either dating or swinging/swapping...
I'm sure we all knew this but it needs to be reiterated from time to time...
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