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can we swing and still not be in sin ? - - For what it's worth here is my 2 cents on the subject.
I agree with Don on what he said earlier in this thread. The entire concept of sin was created by the religious leaders as a form of control. Every organized religion serves 3 primary purposes; 1) to explain the why's and how's of creation, 2) to give a foundation of how to live, 3) to give comfort about death. From the beginning of time religious leaders have used the power of religion as a means of controlling the masses to do what the leaders wanted or at least thought was best.
Judao-Christian and Islamic religions went a step farther and created the concept of sin as a method of control. They created a list of commandments and declared that to violate these was to be in sin. Some sins were of greater import than others but it all equalled to the same thing, commit too many or even one of the wrong ones and you would be barred from from enjoyment and peace offered in the afterlife.
So to answer the original question here, Can you swing and not be in Sin? Absolutely you can. Sin cannot exist seperate of heavily regulated and controlled organized religion. Since Religion itself is a fabrication of man, then so Sin is also a fabrication. I don't know too many swingers that particularly care for anyone else telling them what to do, how to do it, or whom they can do it with, regardless of the area of their life. Especially when it comes to their sex life.
swingin - thought this site was a swingers site - If you get tired of all the non-sex forums, start a thread about sex then :) I think there is room for everybody's interests.
Mrs DP
Lusting After the EVER ELUSIVE Male-with-Hallpass - The Great Swingular Mystery - Sometimes we speak with the knowledge granted by our ignorance, and there is nothing wrong about being ignorant, since an ignorant is just him who lucks the right data or info... AKA (50)...
Anyways, I guess everyone is at a different comfort level, and there are more than 50 shades of being open minded, and my personal believe is that some of us are one step away of
Being on the white vanilla shade. So do we personally get hall passes? Hell yes!!! I guess we are weird that way, we travel quite often and not always together, at the same time our Lil ones not always allow us to go out together, so in our devious minds and behavior sometimes we encourage each other to go out and have fun, and to bring back a hot story to tell (not to mention pics to show) it's all about TRUST and comfort levels.
Some parts of this post sounded to me like if the RS president and the bishop came out and said "ewww... swingers...? Lets start a rally at chick-fil- a"
Policing Ourselves - Can it be done? - Recently a suggestion was made that we as a group need to educate and police ourselves as a group in this our chosen lifestyle (thats swinging for all us simple folk) .
In order to do this effectively wouldnt there have to be some set of rules that everyone would be expected to adhere to? What would those rules be? how would they be created and ratified? would swingers from their respective states send represntatives to a central location to vote on these rules(oops now we get into politics) ? If you were teaching a new person (regarless of marital status or gender) the rules about swinging what would you teach them first?
I really would love to hear as much as possible from you guys.
richard
KUTV News Story on Swingers - News - [quote=DELICIOUSLYWET]Gasp! Tens of thousands of swingers here in Utah.
I believe Utah now has a slightly higher-than-average divorce rate. The national divorce rate is 3.4% with Utah slightly higher at 3.6%. The percent of divorced residents in Utah is reported as 9.3% which is the 18th lowest in the nation. Don't ask me how those numbers reconcile. It has something to do with immigration into the state I am guessing. New Jersey reports that 8.5% of it's residents are divorced and that is the lowest in the nation.
Well what do you think? Did more than 3.6% of all the swinger couples, that you have met end up getting a divorce? Was it over swinging? Are more than 9.3% of the swingers population divorced? This would include all the singles now swinging that were once married. One woman telling the media how swinging ended her marriage is anecdotal at best. Do I believe she is telling the truth? Yes I do. Do I personally believe swinging ads an extra element of jeopardy to a marriage? Yes I do. Do I believe there are quite a few people that would be happier staying away from the swinging lifestyle? Yes I do. Never-the-less, most of the couples, we have personally met, that are swingers seem to enjoy swinging and frankly enjoy doing it together. Do I believe there are quite a few couples who will enjoy swinging? Yes I do, we certainly have enjoyed the lifestyle experience as do a lot of swinging couples we have met. In the end if you are a married couple you have to make the decision based on the two of you, as to whether or not swinging is a good thing in your lives individually and as a couple. As for statistical models as to the divorce rate within the community of swingers well there aren't any. This isn't really a news story it's sensationalist journalism designed to attract viewers. Anyway, the divorce rate has been going down since the 1980s and swinging has been on the rise since the 1980s so you could make an analogy that swinging is saving marriage. Yes it would be a bunch of anecdotal bull shit just like this story. [/quote]
Right. And swinging doesn't end a marriage anymore than cheating or lying or alcohol abuse or drugs, etc; people end marriages. Any relationship is an invention solely created by those people involved and only they have power over its progress forward. Will swinging or discussions about it lead to problems between people in relationships? Potentially. But any attempt by the anonymous lady in the story to blame swinging for anything is an attempt on her part to avoid accountability.
You can't blame the alcohol itself for the drunk.
PS, NJ may have a lower divorce rate b/c it's one of the few states that still grants annulment instead of divorce in certain cases.
KSL swing story - - YOWSER!
okay rob, i get a free beer next time i see ya when we go to the next party. yes, swingers that was me getting a beer at the bar in the ksl report! not even a michelob a bud light ( they were out upstairs). sheeesh, move to utah and get on ksl thru a swinger story, the american dream baby!.........damn it rob, now we will never get a seat at the parties with all the mormons coming to check'em out! LOL :*
House Parties - Questions about attending house parties - I guess I am confused by this..
Since when was swinging illegal..?
Wouldn't it be the hosts problem if the neighbors were nosy..? They should know their neighborhood and take the appropriate steps. Our neighbors all know, the reason they were nosy is because they wanted to come over, They were just swingers in denial.
We are currently moving and looking forward to breaking in some new neighbors..:)
Utah Nude Beach Sunday - hike first then time at the beach - [quote=EVILDOERS][quote=EBONYANDIVORY]Sounds fun! [/quote]
Sunning au natural on the beach or shooting naked people? [em]Emo_84[/em] [/quote]
Well of course they both sound fun, and they go together, naked, shooting sexy swingers with my high powered water wiener,the sneek up part is the fun part, have got to get close for the kill shot because it will lose its velocity after about 3 feet and wont do much damage.
Gym - - There are actually a fair number of swingers we know at our Gold's. There are probably more than we even know about but most of the peeps there seem to be pretty serious about their workouts and don't seem to be looking for hookups. Too bad they don't have like a swinger's hour or maybe a Wife Swap Till You Drop class. ;-)
ksl - did you watch?? - KSL would not post my reply ... I wonder why.... Here is a portion of it....
These people are kind, caring, successful people who I would love to have any of them as my neighbor. They have never tried to drag, lure, or trick, me. They have there rules of ethics, where no means no and they abide by it. At other parties I have attended I have had men keep hitting on me when I told them I was not interested, now to me that is wrong and disrespectful.
As a foot note; on a so called regular internet dating site I had over 120 men contact me and close to a half wanted a sexual relationship. So how is the 70 men a shocking figure? It pretty much what happens on the internet whether it is swingers or not. Its just on swinging sites they truthfully admit they are married instead of hiding it.
You may not have wanted to have heard my views and experience with these people. But I could not sit back and have them portrayed as something they are not, it would be wrong to do so. Sincerely Joanne D
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