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Could someone please explain to me McCain's inability/refusal to look at his opponent?

What the hell is that about? No wonder he doesn't want to face the enemy for discussions. He can't even look Obama in the eye?

Pitiful.
I just caught the last half of it it but I thought the same thing. I still can't get over the fact that us as a county can't come up with better people to chose from to lead what used to be the best nation in the world.:s
It's simple.. Obama 2008 ;)
I noticed that he didn't look at the Litte O that much. Looked like he was looking at the people in the thier seats.........Thats who he needs to win over not the little O. But maybe little O will vote for the M man, you never know. :*
I just watched our local news and they had body language and fascial expression experts on to give their take. They both agreed that Obama came across much more approachable and this would help him in foreign affairs. McCain they felt has the personality where if you do not see it his way then he will play hardball with you and disrespect you as he did by not looking toward Obama last night. My take on what they said is that McCain is the war monger he is always being accused of and Obama is more interested in talking and working things out but when attacked will fight back.

I felt that Obama may have done better but not by very much and nothing has been done to change my mind about voting for Obama.
I really don't care where he chose to look. That debate was for us, to know how they both differ in their views, not for them to look eachother in the eye and fall in love...
If you are just going to vote based on that, then you shouldn't vote at all.
McCain 08! =]
He doesn't want to look at the man who's going to be his new boss in 40 days....Can't wait to see what comes out of Palin's mouth next Thursday, I believe they still have time to implant a small chip in her ear to make sure she says the correct party line rhetoric...
It sure is interesting how McCain backers use the same rearview mirror viewpoint their leader does.

hotmama - "I'm sure McCains mind isnt on the debate either he's more worried about how he's going to get this great country out of it's slump"

Are you kidding me? He is standing on a podium in Mississippi focusing on how he's going to solve complex problems rather than showing any interest in getting himself elected? Didn't think that through very well did you?

McCain and groupies collectively can't grasp the fact that in many ways the past in isn't terribly pertinent right now. We MAY (don't call me a chicken little) be on the verge of an economic collapse that could literally drop us from among the world leaders. Cowboy diplomacy has failed miserably. McCain can't get Iraq/Viet Nam/mortal enemy thinking out of his head (understandably so - did he get post POW counselling?). His inability to face his opponent speaks volumes about him. Draw a line in the sand and ask questions later. Don't let 'em see the whites of your eyes.

That kind of adversarial thinking will create just that - adversaries. I believe we have plenty of those already, this isn't Kansas any more!

Dale
One more thing i didnt know That Obama had such a Studder
he couldnt stop inbetween every word DUH DUH DUH DUH o and the DUH DUH DUH, Yeah he wasnt nerviouse.
Obama is the man. Hooah!

-D-
He just seemed way to stressed and acted like he has never ben under presure befor.

thats all
He deals with it, that's what matters. McCain won't look a man in the eye and Obama stammers. I'd say they're both 'nervous'. Splitting hairs.
Did we disagree elsewhere?

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Well im voteing for McCain cause i love the my rights and love my freedoms to own guns and as many as i want.

Who would want to rob a store if he knew that every one was carrying a gun.

Crime would lower.

and if they made it harder to purchase a gun or it was made pritty much impossible there are still knifes and other thing that people can use to kill so yeah i like the constitution.
well like HOTMAMA4YOU iv ben over there myself and agree on what he has said.

if obama becomes president how would that stop me from haveing to use a gun in self defence i dont know what he has to do with Crime.

Like i said there is always going to be crime wethere or not there are guns involed and id rather shoot someone indead of slitting someones throat Because of breaking into my house and thretaning my family.

People are always going to Do what they can to get what they want like Robbing breaking and entering to steal shit and also rob banks there is nothing He can do to prevent that from happening.
Hell after what we have had with Bush I would like to see them take some bum off the street and give him a shot at it, Maybe they can have a game show. 'Who wants to be president"


After looking at sexed's pics I'm thinking I'll just cash in my 401K for pennies on the dollar and go to mexico for a few weeks...:D
For you McCain lovers:

We, in Ireland, can't figure out why people are even bothering to hold
an election in the United States.
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On one side, you have a pants wearing lawyer, married to a lawyer who
cant keep his pants on, who just lost a long and heated primary against
a lawyer who goes to the wrong church who is married to yet another
lawyer who doesn't even like the country her husband wants to run.
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Now...On the other side, you have a nice old war hero whose name starts
with the appropriate Mc terminology married to a good looking younger
woman with a nice set of cans who owns a beer distributorship. What in
heaven's name are you lads thinking over there in the colonies?'
Sexed101---- You bet but we would have to hurry, I'm afraid if we wait to long there won't be enough left in their for the 4 of us.
CHRISANDCARRIE Wrote:


<font color="orange">"Well im voteing for McCain cause i love the my rights and love my freedoms to own guns and as many as i want.

Who would want to rob a store if he knew that every one was carrying a gun.

Crime would lower.

and if they made it harder to purchase a gun or it was made pritty much impossible there are still knifes and other thing that people can use to kill so yeah i like the constitution."</font>

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1) Obama doesn't have the power to single-handedly outlaw firearms.

2) Guns are legal now and the crime is rampant.

3) Regulation is needed.

4) Many countries prove that you don't need assault rifles and machineguns to have low crime.

5) people rob stores despite gun ownership. There are people who rob stores knowing they'll lose hands in the Middle East.
Having a wife that is in banking I think there does need to be regulations for guns and very stiff penalties for crimes where guns are used. My wife was robbed at gunpoint twice and the lucky assholes got caught by the cops before I got to them.

My first wife was robbed at gunpoint but I was able to catch the guy and to bad he resisted so much but at least I held him till the cops and ambulance got there.

However, gun control and regulations wil not eliminate strong arm robberies. I have not witnessed it first hand but back in the 1990`s in Philadelphia they were robbing people with needles saying it is infected with aids. Criminals will find a way to be just that but regulating guns may slow it a bit.

One final note, and I am sure this is a rare case. My next door neighbor as a kid took one of his dads hunting rifles and put a pillow over his dads face and killed him in the morning. Our houses were connected and the parents bed was against the same wall as mine and the noise is what woke me up for school that day. The son eventually took his own life about ten years later. So anyone having guns in the house hopefully will always make sure they are kept safe.
Yeah I am not for banning all firearms. Hell, I like to shoot too. I am just for regulating the hell out of them, so that only those that are responsible are getting them legally. There will always be crime regardless of guns. Guns don't make you any safer. There are plenty of counts that people are murdered with their own weapons. Regulate them and clarify the 2nd Amendment.

-D-
Regulating guns wont help Crime at all do you think Gang member purchase there guns from a store.

When they do a Background check and everything while you wait.

You can go anywhere in the US and purchase a gun off street, and its not hard to that and it isnt that expensive. and its even easier.

realy what are you to acomplish when you regulate guns.
C&C wrote:

"Just because you want regulations on guns doesnt mean that im not going to be able to go down the road purchase a gun from some jo shmo and go shoot someone.
It would make more people break the law and purchasae illegal firearms becaue you guys want a happy go lucky USA. "

and

"You can go anywhere in the US and purchase a gun off street, and its not hard to that and it isnt that expensive. and its even easier.

realy what are you to acomplish when you regulate guns. "


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Agreed, but it will make it harder for people to get them. With the amount out there now, it would take awhile of destroying them to make them scarce.

You logic can also be applied to your argument. Guns don't protect you from most forms of crime. Someone could sneak attack you very easily. Guns are a false sense of security. Within 20 feet, someone could stab you in the throat with a knife before you could even get your gun out. Where do most confontations happen... Within 20 feet.

The difference would be Iraq and Canada. Iraq has unregulated weapons everywhere. The same goes for explosives. What's the leading cause of death for U.S. troops in Iraq. <b>IED's!!!!!</b> That's the different. Canada has really strict gun laws and far less violent crime per capita. See also Japan.

ULUVBIGBLKDICK,

I agree 100% man. Obama wouldn't be outlawing guns anyway. He doesn't have that kind of power.

For those of you who think Palin will do well in the debates...

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-D-
i have an alarm system in my place so right when it goes off i will grab my gun and shooting someone Blahhh the closer the better really point blank range would even be better.


But yeah maybe it worked for thoes other countrys.

And there is no way in hell to destrpy all the illegal guns there are so many it is un beleavable.

and iraq has bun laws it is 1 gun per car and 1 or 2 magazines per car and you are not realy alowed to carry a weapon out in public I Just dont know about stuff like that i just helped infoced it.

and you know that i have had so many friends Die from thoes stupid IED's and VBIED's

Please post something from FOX i hate CNN it gives me a headach. wait CNN is all you libeals watch and agree with when it comes down to news
Oh you mean you want the bias from fox? HAHA!!! There would be way to get rid of a bunch of the weapons. Less weapons, less crimes committed with them. Oh and the alarm may work in your home (maybe). You may shoot the badguy if he doesn't hear you and shoot you first.

Regarding Iraq gun laws. They mean nothing, because anyone there can get an RPG, Machineguns etc. That's what happens when you allow any weapon to be had by anyone. Regulation is needed. The days of lawlessness and cowboys are over. This is exactly why the rest of the world think we are a bunch of gun-totin redneck idiots. We keep electing the stereotypes. OBAMA 2008.

;)

-D-
Well anyone that trys to bend the constitution and or look twice about the Right to bear arms is not a true american.


You can buy anthing in the USA that you can by in Iraq.

Less gun less crimes commited with them. DUMB.

they will just go to another method of Crime and killing. So why not out law butter knifes and screw drivers and saws everything that can harm someone and maybe the world will be padded with Stypraphome so we cant hurt outself or others.
I have to admit Obama looked pretty good well prepared for the debate. McCain on the other hand sounded more experienced and even though he didn't look right at Obama I think that was more to show the American people he is going to look at who he works for. Winning political pundits is not what he is about he is a proven leader OBama just talks a good story and Kissenger was quick to point out that he was not too happy about Obama saying that Kissenger said we needed to meet with Iran without pre-conditions. Yes Obama followed his script quite well and we were a bit surprised how well he did without his teleprompter but no way did he change our minds

McCain 08

Norm&Sharon
Change is coming soon :-)
The right to keep and bear arms, or right to bear arms is the concept that people, individually or collectively, have a right to weapons. Today this is usually interpreted to mean personal guns or the arming of a state militia. This is an important concept in the United States, where the right is protected in the Second Amendment to the United States Constitution, drafted in 1791, and where the right derived from popular conceptions of English law around the American Revolution, including a tradition of local militias, a common law right to possess weapons, the English Bill of Rights (1689) and a statute, the Assize of Arms, dating back to 1181.



O and when i get my License to own an automatic Weapon im going to get a B.A.R
Reason being is that the B.A.R was the first gun i had ever shot and it was when i was 15.
Health Care im not worried there isnt anything i can do.

If i talk about Oil it just gets old sence iv experianced the whole damn thing in person.

Banking dont like banks i use a credit union where it is owned by the Customers.

WMD's everytime i mention it. Its (THERE WERENT ANY THEY LIED WE HAVENT FOUND ANYTHING.)

Welp makeing it harder to get a gun isnt going to help Ither. Really it isnt.

AND I CAN GIVE A SHIT LESS ABOUT KILLING SOMEONE THAT THRETANS MY HOME OR LIFE.

I ACTUALY THINK THAT MURDERERS IN COLD BLOOD SHOULD BE EXICUTED THE WAY THEY MURDER SOMEONE.

But no the BLEEDING HEARTS Want everything padded with LOVE AND PEACE AND EXICUTE HUMANLY. Becuase its the right thing to do. well was is the right thing for them to murder.

If we stop the Drilling for oil and Keep guns off the streets and everything
NOTHING WILL CHANGE it will all just get worse and taxes will go up.

Taxes will go up because the oil company will no longer be paying Billions in taxes a year.

and crime will not lower becuase of Gun restrictions.

Cause people think that Guns are the only method used in crimes and murders.
Yep so the answer is to exploit every last resource, ruin all our foreign relations and arm everyone. YEEEEEHAAA!!!! BOY HOWDY!!! I WANTA BE A REDNECK COWBOY AMERICAN!!! WOOOHOOOO!!! ROOTIN TOOTIN SHOOTIN HIGH FALOOTIN SONS A BITCHES WE ARE!!!! FUCK THE WORLD, THEY SHOULD ALL BE WHITE AND CHRISTIAN ANYWAY!

BULLSHIT!

-D-
I'm all for capital punishment in murder cases or crimes where someone was killed when there is no doubt the person in question did it, I'm all for the 2nd Ammendment - But I don't think the average person on the street should be able to own an automatice weapon.

If anyone thinks that oil companies pay billions of dollars in taxes and if we stop drilling our taxes will go up, then they should seriously read more.....Oil companies get more tax breaks than hospitals
In order to own an automatic weapon you have to have a "red card," which is a specific license that allows you to own an automatic weapon. Misuse of that right/license will result in you loosing the right to vote, heavy fines, long prision times, and loss to ever own a weapon.

Sorry, I hung myself on the Oil Companies. Its not right that they are getting more tax breaks than hospitals. They do however pay about or around 18 billion in taxes.
"In order to own an automatic weapon you have to have a "red card," which is a specific license that allows you to own an automatic weapon"

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NOT TRUE! You have to complete an ATF Form 4, fingerprints, pay a transfer tax and go though FBI background check. There is no license to own Class 3. You have to have a license to deal Class 3. All weapons should be this restricted. That way only the most responsible could get them.

-D-
I'll pass.
Credit unions get robbed at gunpoint too. Wifes old co-worker was robbed while working in a credit union and was killed. Try taking your gun inside a bank or credit union and see how that goes for you.
Holy Crap I am sorry but I have to put my 2 cents in here......Hmmmm everyone is up in arms about the right to bear arms but do you not see that this country is headed for the worse econmic since the great depression, and this wonderful buyout to help this country out is going to do nothing but raise our taxes, and have foregin investors investing in america and owning america the beautiful as we know it. And if we are in a great depression wait for the crimes that will happen then, yea having guns will be great but everyone will be in the streets cause the money wont be worth the paper its printed on.

and this war ha if u think its about the oil you are kidding yourself the price of gas isnt going to drop to the prices it was cause the gas companies know they can get away with charging high prices cause we as a country are going to pay them, and isnt it funny that W made is fortune as a what.....an oil man......makes ya wonder.......... Can u name me 4 of the top 5 profit companies of last year in this country.......Exxon, Shell, Marathon, and Chevron oh those are gas companies.


If u think McCain cares about the lower class of people dont kid yourself lets see his wife is part of the Budweiser family an american company that is selling it to foregin investors and they have 7 houses and 13 cars. hell i bet they are a few people on this site who barely afford 1 car and 1 house.

Now yea there are some points i see from both parties but there are so much more to leading this country than just war and I just dont see McCain being strong in other areas besides defense.

and lets not get into the Sell-Out manover of his electing his VP that was completely off the board to get women voters. Hell she cant even do an interview without heavy editing and studdering.

Like I said maybe my 5 cents cause it was longer than 2 cents but there are alot more problems than gun control.
Well sorry i miss understood my friend he is able to sell also witch got me confused. SORRY.
I guess that im the only one that make mistakes.

IF YOUR NOT GOING TO READ THIS ALL THE WAY THREW OR DONT UNDERSTAND IT DONT REPLY/RESPOND TO THIS POST.


Politicians and anti gun groups often speak about
Son Uses Shotgun to Defend Mother Against Armed Home Invader



As reported, Thomas Thompson alleged broke into a Vero Beach, FL home on 74th Avenue, by prying open the front window and popping out the screen. Once inside, police say Thomspon used two knives to threaten a mother of 2, Joanne Hornsby, who was laying in her bed. She screamed, and her sons, Austin and Roger, ages 19 and 20, rushed to their mother
Obama Tries To Pass Himself off as Pro Gun - the ISRA sets the record straight


Barack Obama and Joe Biden are likey the two most anti gun candidates in presidential history, and they know that this may cost them the election. They are therefore attempting to confuse gun owners by (untruthfully) casting themselves as pro gun. Biden did it last week, and now Obama is at it, making the utterly untrue statement that
Holiday , you could not be more right on. Someone pointed out a while ago that works in marketing how the oil companies have done textbook marketing by increasing the prices slowly and then drop it back a bit so we feel we are getting a break by paying the set price. Let me apologize to hubbynhottie for butchering his description but it was something very close to what I just said.

We had company the past week from Finland and he travels to six other countries as a pilot. The stories he has told us just blew my mind. From someone who has lived thru a depression it was eye opening and we do not want to go thru that. We are headed in the wrong direction in this country and to stay the course is foolish. I was just watching the debate being played back this morning and Obama said we need to change the way foreign countries view us. That is so true based on what I have talked about the past week with our friends. We are not feared nor respected by foreign countries that are competetive with us military wise. So unless we are going to pull money from our asses to fund a stronger military we better learn how to get along real fast.

As far as this bail out goes, SNN news 6 out of Sarasota had the former president of the FDIC on yesterday morning and he said there is no need for a bail out. The FDIC has a job but the government is trying to step in and do the job for them. Without pointing fingers, he could not understand why all of a sudden Bush finds the need to get involved in their business. He pointed out that the FDIC just handled a 300 billion bailout the day before and it cost the FDIC nothing and more importantly the taxpayers nothing. So if it is the job of the FDIC to handle these matters, and they are more then capable then why is Bush getting involved?
Holy Shit! Gun Control (or would it be more P.C. to say Gun Freedom?) has always been a super-sized hot button item.

Fact: We have an enormous arsenal of personal weapons in this country. No one believes these weapons will ever be seized/destroyed.

Fact: Civilized societies utilize laws and regulations to assure citizen safety.

Fact: Guns are potentially dangerous to society in general and consequently require laws and regulation.

Here comes the theory part: Times change and so does the human dynamic. When the framers of the constitution undertook their task, they didn't exactly have things like air travel and suicide bombers in mind.

Our forefathers did a superb job (in most people's minds, I think), constructing a workable framework from which to operate a free society. It is, however, just a framework. It needs to be built upon as circumstances dictate.

The two extreme camps in this debate will never moderate. The answer is moderation.

Sorry for the boring interruption :) - back to the show!
Obviosly ULUVBIGBLKDICK you can do anything u want Illegaly but i dont even have a scratch on my Record.


I am putting out as much facts as you librals are. and you expetc your views to be 110% Correct and Right and need to be changede.

what about the thousands and thousands of people that dont want anything chaged your just going to say that we are in the WRONG and we are these horible people keeping crime around and helping our socioty be evil. NO

And i beleave that There will be no change in our gun laws because there and to many things that can go wrong like you said go get one (illegaly) what if the laws did change

Then everyone that needed a Gun broke the law your not keeping crime down you are investing in it on Illegal Gun trades.


GUN LAWS DONT WORK:

A Friday in Chicago: 5 Handgun Murders in 12 Hours

In an approximately 12 hour time frame, 5 people were reportedly shot to death in the city of Chicago, despite the longstanding handgun ban:

Shavel Monegan, 29, was standing with a group of people in the 7000 block of South Michigan Avenue after 1 a.m. Saturday when someone approached and opened fire, police said. The crowd scattered and police found Monegan shot several times. He was taken to Stroger Hospital but died.
Ricky Grant, 36, died in what police said may be a gang-related shooting. Grant was in his car around 9 p.m. Friday in the 2500 block of West 63rd Street in the Englewood neighborhood when someone came up and fired shots into the vehicle and fled, police said.
Mark Mitchell, 23, died of a gunshot wound to the back suffered about 8:11 p.m. Friday at the Altgeld Gardens public housing complex, police said. He was taken from 130th Street and South Drexel Avenue to Advocate Christ Medical Center in Oak Lawn, where he was pronounced dead.
Dexter Blaylock, 31, got in an argument with someone shortly before 3 p.m. Friday in the 1500 block of West 79th Street, police said. Witnesses told police several shots were fired in the Auburn Gresham neighborhood and police found Blaylock on the sidewalk. He was taken to Christ in Oak Lawn but was pronounced dead about a half hour later.
Cory L. Hatter, 17, died from several gunshot wounds suffered in the 1500 block of West 69th Street about 6:44 p.m. Friday, police said. The teen, pronounced dead at the scene, was about a half mile from his home in the 7000 block of South Throop Street, authorities said.
Benjamin Franklin once stated
Hey CHRKE2

When gun laws are Inforced Police Departments Lower the amount of police.


Chicago Reduces Police Protection as Crime Rises

As I
In 1996, the most comprehensive "gun control" study of all time was published by John Lott of the University of Chicago Law School. Fifteen years of FBI files from all 3,054 counties in our country were analyzed regarding the correlation between the occurrence of violent crime and the prevalence of concealed weapons on law-abiding citizens. Invariably, where responsible, law-abiding citizens were allowed to carry firearms, the rate of violent crime plummeted. The criminals were afraid to attack those who "might" be armed.


Professor Gary Kleck is a life long (self-avowed) liberal democrat, author of Point Blank: Guns and Violence in America. He had expected the research involved in that writing to infer negatively on gun ownership. He discovered a vast amount of violent crimes were prevented by firearms usage. Even though this was contrary to his original premise, he had the integrity to stand by his research. Although that book was awarded the best book (of 1993) on criminology by the American Society of Criminology.
Yeah well that is why i am voteing for McCain.

Now whatch the Arguments FLY that is why i dont talk about this Econmy to anyone its beacaue most of you librals are right and know what is going to happen when OSAMA gets into office
and that things will start to get better.

and if McCain gets into office it will get worse.

Well i think other wise and dont realy care to argue about something that isnt in my control i am Voteing for McCain and that is it nothing els to say. IF it happens it happens and if it doesnt it doesnt. and watch if OSAMA gets into office everything gets worse it will be funny.

NOW IM WAITING FOR SOMEONE TELL ME OTHER WISE.

If no bail out.....

you lose your job.
your brother takes a 35% pay cut.

and this happens in every neighborhood and town across America....




If the banks fail, the money disappears, you get locked out of the banks, the banks go under and you have no money..the FDIC can insure 52 billion at the moment, but that would be a fraction of what some banks, like Citi, would be in deposits.

Mutual funds would collapse.

401K's would collapse.

Pensions would collapse.

Tax revenue would drop.

Unemployment would spike

how would you buy groceries or gas?......


If that is, the situation is as bad as they claim it is. Perhaps they are scaring us into letting them give 700 billion to their buddies, I don't know..

But if you study historical economics, you will see the Great Depression was caused by a culmination of several things..

Restriction of Credit, liquidation of banking assets, equity collapsing, wealthy investors fleeing the markets in droves to save as much net worth as possible.

Of course, the 1929 market crash was a sudden event, the current markets automatically shut down is a certain percentage is lost .. meaning all assets are frozen for a "cool down" period. After the 1929 collapse, it was mostly uphill from there (stock wise)..

I think it's obvious they are scared of something, and the markets are waiting for an answer.. no bail out and stocks plummet, yes and stocks go through the roof. Those with money are sweating on their 50/50 bet.
I hate the thought that the presidential election at time's like this will be decided almost entirely by issues like gun control and abortion by many. They are IMPORTANT issues, but we have our freedom of speech and our right to express our feelings on these issues to our govt. and legislators and fellow citizens. If guns are outlawed there will still be murders (and I'm sure many by guns), and if abortion is made illegal there will be illegal abortions and those who can afford it will go to countries where it is legal to have them done, just as it was before abortion was legalized.
I am a gun owner. I have to say I believe in some gun restriction (such as automatic weapons), but I believe all citizens who are sane and non felons should have the right to own firearms if they so choose.
I do not believe in abortion nor due the members of my household. We are open to others about this view. My daughter was 19, unmarried and pregnant. We now have a wonderful 2yr. old grandson. Abortion was not the choice my daughter took, nor did we consider it for her.


My point is: It is ridiculous to decide the election on these two issues when there are more important things that have a greater effect on us as a whole in this country.

I don't think our govt. can keep on going on the path we are on for any longer. The republicans have had their chance (and failed as I see it), and it is dire time to take a new direction.

OBAMA in 2008
One thing is automatic weapons THEY are RARELY ever used in Crimes.
So why ban something that criminals dont want to realy USE.

And about the Presidential (Election McCain 08 all the way) Just because they are LIBRAL or REP doesnt mean shit to me THEY are Human like us and just because they say things DOESNT MEAN THEY ARE GOING TO DO IT Remember they are RUNNING TO GET ELECTED. (SAY THINGS THEY WANT TO HEAR) So im going off of the past experiance in the election not what they say Because if they say 1000 things they are going to to maybe a select few will be done because of Matters of more Impotance Prob come up.

I DONT WANT TO HEAR WHAT IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN OUR ECONOMY BECAUSE YOU ARENT WITH THE PRESIDENT 24/7 and he isnt going to sit there and explain the whole story to you or the whole Conversation that he had on the PHONE with other countrys or Threats that NEED TO BE TAKEN CARE OF. Or what was said. IT JUST DOESNT HAPPEN.


And dont think obama is any different from any other president if he is elected he isnt.
I can say exsatcly the same thing about obama i can pick and pick at the Debate and make Obama seem like he acted the same way as McCain

Like Obamas Studering, TO me it looked like Osama does not haveing the mental Strength of being under presure. He hessitates I DONT WANT SOMEONE LIKE HIM HESITATE IF THERE WAS A SEROIUSE PROBLEM. I want him to be firm in his actions and desise and NOT O GOD Let me stop shakeing befor I can rationaly make a desition.

Or obamas School yard attitude about haveing the last word in every Question.

It is endelss if you want to go that rout on what was said and the way both of them handled it.

O and pay a little more atention to the Debate McCain took nots also.

and Oboam Definatly didnt swat everything down so you say.
In a CBS News poll, uncommitted voters see Barack as the debate winner. When it comes to the economy, 66% say Barack would make the right decisions versus 42% for McCain.

The CNN poll results are also clear:

Who would better handle Iraq?
Barack: 52
McCain: 47

Who would better handle the economy?
Barack: 58
McCain: 37

These are not the kind of reviews John McCain needed, but they show that Barack is offering the change we middle class people need. McCain doesn't get it and never will.
This goes back to the same old, tried, and lame tactics you NEO-CON's use. When you have no issuses to stand on and the race is slipping away, NEO-CON's fall back to


Most Librals are so FUNNY they Controditct everything most other Librals say.

I have had ALot of librals tell me O i dont care about oil and we didnt go out there for oil.

Its a never ending Gaggle Fuck with the LIBRALS.

It is so Damn FUNNY what you guys make up or make excusses to point your little fingers.

It isnt even worth my time to even talk to them.

YOU can be as disrespecful as you want and get as but hurt as you seem but it doesnt affect me and you can beleave in what you and and what RUMORES you want to beleave go ahead.

I can care less.

All you can do is BASH And BASH what i have to say and what most Republicans have to say and think that you are in the right and Corredct welp (GOT SOME NEWS FOR YOU YOUR NOT AS CORRECT AS YOU THINK YOU ARE) When you talk to President bush and Congress Face to face i want you hear what they have to say.

about everything you think should happen.
Untill then DUDE Stop.

And show me the proof dont tell me from your own mouth.

Like ihave ben doing Copying and pasting.

I even have Libral saying they where wrong.

and this is for you GAME SET MATCH.

Does that make me seem as Cool or as Smart as you
I can care less about CNN Proboly as much as you would care less for FOX.
GROW UP DUDE you are prooving to everyone that you are suck a Looser

Check mate CHeck mate. im so smart Look at me.

you libral cant finish one thing because you change what you want to do every 5 min so nothing will ever be acomplished everythingin the world will be so important that it need help all we will have is 100 things un finished by the time of OSAMA Presidency.
O and remeber we have ben for years invested by Foregn Countrys in our banks in our Stocks and in our homes.

and guess what if there isnt a bail out all thoes people will be out of a job what will happen after that hmmmm.

Fuck dude get your head out of your ass and wake up.
I am still sitting on the fence so far, so I really do not back one candidate over the other yet.

However, the sad thing is that a person can not voice an opinion without being attacked. Most of the post sound like 2 kids on the playground.

C&C...many good points.

McCain: Regardless of his political stance, he served this great country and was a POW, too much respect for the man!

Palin: Being from Alaska and operating an business there in the summer months, can anyone argue against what she has done for the state of Alaska??? Not sure what the exact numbers are, but I think she cut the state budget by 3 million. Feel free to post the exact numbers if anyone knows.
She may not conform or say the same stuff as the rest of the talking heads, but perhaps that is the change we need??

Obama: Says a lot of good and bad things, yet to hear how he is going to go about everything. Granted, need to do a little more research myself. However, I operate a fishing guide service in Alaska, if anyone wants me to run their business, in which I have no experience, I am free!!

Biden: Need to do a little more research on this guy and his views.

Just my thoughts
Economy.... Why can't this cuntry(yes I misspelled that with purpose) figure out that the CEO's who are responsible be arrested and their assets be taken (RICO) and then be tried by a jury of our peers. Then they can be placed in a place where they have no influence over the financial system that they have helped to put into the dumpster. Second phase: Fine the oil companies and companies who have been taking hugh profits from the war and then from the American people, in general. I don't mean a couple of hundred thousand or even a million dollars fine... I mean sufficient fines that go into the billions. Not one of the limp dick bullshit things like with the tabacco companies... That was a tracesty adn the execs. walked away free as birds... Look at the oil companies who have been making more profits in a quarter than they had made in several years before the Gulf War. The cuntry could be out of debt very quickly simply by confiscating the personal fortunes that have been made by execs with the profit taking and profiteering in the war etc. Lets not let the lobiest off the hook. If they have given gifts to polititions, then they need to be taken out of the race with the same vengence that we go after dope dealers, Woops except the CIA who are still involved with dope trafficing.

If we clean up the government, get the crime and grime out we'd need to start over clean.. PS why the hell is the Bush administration not in jail? Why do we allow this pantywaist dictator to remain free and continue to ruin this great, or what was great, country? Is there anyone out there that could run this country... and please don't say anyone who is currently in a government job? Can't we find an honest person who could but doesn't necessarily wan to get into or remain in politics... We need to make it so NO ONE CAN REMAIN IN POLITICAL OFFICE MORE THAN ONE TEERM. NO ONE GETS A RETIREMENT FROM POLITICS, POLITICAL OFFICES ARE SERVICE TO THE PEOPLE NOT A JOB FOR LIFE OR UNTIL ONE IS FOUND TO BE A CROOK. The person who wrote the Constitution said that we should have a revolution every 25 or 30 years to keep the government honest and for the purpose to which it was intended. Government is not supposed to take and grow and grow and grow. Government should be as little as possible and only to provide what people ask for and need..... WTF ever happened to the principles that this cuntry was founded upon...

Sorry but I kept reading about a debait(yep bait)(somethig to grab you and reel you into a big pool of bullshit..) We need to have at least 2 candidates at every convention and if there are no candidates who are really qualified.... Never held office, not lawyers or lawyers that don't lie, people who are not nor never held a position in any company who had done business with the government.... Then they should try again. The electorial college needs to be abolished and electronic voting machines should be bannished. Paper counted at the precinct level or voting center level and then communicated to the town or regional level and so forth. Get the TV out of politics and no reporting until after all elections are closed and counted and a final count is made. No BS like in 2000 in FL or in the courts in 2004

This message is approved by me Vote for someone who is honest and not full of SHIT in November and that means vote for someone not on the ballot.....what happens if there are no clear winners in the general election will the current jackass stay in orfice, our orfice....or will someone replace him with the same sick policies or will that happen regardless... Do we know what it feels like not to have some polititian up our ass? Not in my 60 + years. Closest we've gotten was prior to 2000 and then he went thru impeachment because he was sticking it to women... I think I rather that then having it stuck to me.

Debait all you want but if this is the best we have to offer ourselves, Maybe we deserve what we get....Re-pube-lican or Demogog
SURFRIDER619: You never seas to amaze me on your lack of maturity and your fits.

ULUVBIGBLKDICK: i know he isnt it just sounds good.

ABENAPLACITO: thank you verry much.
If you think "surf out" is immature then what is calling someone named Obama by the incorerect name Osama. Surfing is a lifestyle for some, hence the phrase but name calling is not.

Honestly, if you are trying to state your case for McCain you are not going to win him any votes with childish name calling like Osama. Standing up for what you believe in is admirable even if I don`t agree with you.
Its just a habbit ok.

I i dont expect to win any votes on a site like this.

And SUFS OUT sitting there saying o you cant spell haha isnt realy admirable ither for him. and saying small dick and stupid shit like that. all i have said is OSAMA that all. O GOD SPARE ME.

and Suf out all he can do is call people names and say how dumb they are because he is the most Correct person ever to be born he has really not once said anything worth reading except Demeaning me in one way or another.


Stop calling names SUFS OUT CAUSE AGAIN LIKE I SAID YOU ARE PATHEDIC ON YOUR ATEMPTS ON HURTING MY FEELINGS.

I have grown up maybe you sould also.

NOW IM WATING FOR SOME MORE NAME CALLING COME ON bRODEN YOUR HORIZON ON YOUR VOCABULARY.
O and all im doing is sturring the pot and am doing such a good job its funny.

I Honestly can care less what people have to say on here about or Presidency.

Its just fun and i like doing it if you really have a problem with the way your country is being run all you can do is vote. NOTHING ANYONE ON HERE CAN SAY ANYTHING THAT WILL CHANGE WHAT IS TO HAPPEN.



So lighten up really what difference are you going to make on SWINGULAR.
Listen i guess all you libral are correct and the only ones that can say anything.
I hate it when people say NEO-CON K does anyone care i dont think so.

so stop crying about me saying one little thing OSAMA

DUDE your a joke all you can do is critisise.

O and iv made about 45 Friends just off this one post.

so dont tell me people think im a joke its just the librals that think that becuase like i have said befor there right and we are wrong.

ANd dude you talk to me like a worthless peace of shit just because i say osama well once everyone stops saying NEO-CON i will stop saying OSAMA.

SO PUILL YOUR HEAD OUT OF YOUR DIRTY ASS PUSSY DREAIN THE SAND OUT OF IT AND BECOME A MAN.
Welp when they are addresing me AS YOU NEO-CONS
CHRISANDCARRIE,

The term NEOCON is not derogatory. It means Neo-conservative. Paleocon is another term that fits the religous zealots that make up another part of the right. Look it up. If you don't like the label and think its a bad thing, what does that tell you?

-D-
Friends don't let friends vote democrats McCain/Palin 08

Norm&Sharon
A little article that refutes claims that the surge worked. There is still a strong insurgency in Iraq and there will continue to be one. This is what happens when you let morons like Bush and McCain run the country.

http://www.fogcityjournal.com/wordpress/2008/09/24/no-john-the-surge-didnt-work

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McCain = Doesn't have the slightest fuckin Idea of what's happening in Iraq or the economy.

The Truth = McCain is not a good leader.

Reality = Obama is the best choice.

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-D&T-
I've read nearly every post and come to one conclusion; this is exactly why they say not to mix politics and sex.
I don't mean to sound rude.......But who the F*%# cares about politics on a site devoted to SEX? If you want to discuss your political views, go to MSNBC, CNN, FOX and blog all you want. Let's leave the politics where it belongs......Away from here!
BI_BILOVE2000,

Not to sound rude, but how about, if you don't wanna talk about politics, you stay the fuck out of a political thread. It's not up to you how people interact on this site. If you don't want to read or participate in this topic, stick to the "dick and pussy" threads. Howz that sound??


-D-
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BIBI - Sorry, you DO sound rude! There is an entire forum category titled "JUST TALK"! Don't open the damn thread if you don't like the subject matter. Better yet, spend more time in an adult book store/turn the channel/don't post if you don't have something to contribute you maroon! byebye
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Great little bitch slap delivered to McCain by Obama! HOOAH!
'Vote for McCain and you won't be able to afford any more guns. Go with Oboma and you can be safer knowing that you won't have to use your guns to survive. '

HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA

Are you really that ignorant?

How to you STOP economic growth?

ADD TAXES! We are already the second highest corporate tax rate in the world, but you want to try to blame Bush for losing 600,000 jobs.

Who writes the tax code?

Oh yes...CONGRESS!!!!
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'Do you still want to pay 4 plus dollars for gas i know i dont'

$4 would be a bargain if NObama gets his $50 Billion windfal profits tax passed.

I did the math for Exxon/Mobile, JUST the additional tax will raise gas by around $0.38, add to this the 30% corporate tax...YUMMY!

You know who else did the windfall profits tax on oil? Carter.

You know why he did it? To raise prices so people would buy less.

GOOD JOB NOBAMA!
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'and even though he didn't look right at Obama I think that was more to show the American people he is going to look at who he works for'

Did you ever think it could have been because he COULDN'T turn towards NObama?

He is SEVERELY injured, why do you think his left arm only lifts slightly?
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'CEO's who are responsible be arrested and their assets be taken (RICO) and then be tried by a jury of our peers'

Because it is the board of directors that do the damage.

The CEO is like the President, someone we can blame, but in reality, don't really do a whole lot.
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Now...

It matters not who wins, we are FUCKED!
'Vote for McCain and you won't be able to afford any more guns. Go with Oboma and you can be safer knowing that you won't have to use your guns to survive. '

HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA

Are you really that ignorant?

How to you STOP economic growth?

ADD TAXES! We are already the second highest corporate tax rate in the world, but you want to try to blame Bush for losing 600,000 jobs.

Who writes the tax code?

Oh yes...CONGRESS!!!!

<font color="red">The 110th Congress has only been around since last January. The 109th, 108th and 107th have been around before that going all the way back to 2001... <b>SINCE before 9/11</b> and they were all held by the Republican party. So What are you saying?</font>
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'Do you still want to pay 4 plus dollars for gas i know i dont'

$4 would be a bargain if NObama gets his $50 Billion windfal profits tax passed.

I did the math for Exxon/Mobile, JUST the additional tax will raise gas by around $0.38, add to this the 30% corporate tax...YUMMY!

You know who else did the windfall profits tax on oil? Carter.

You know why he did it? To raise prices so people would buy less.

GOOD JOB NOBAMA!

<font color="red">That's a bunch of bullshit. If you want to pay higher prices, let the current regime continue holding you over the barrel, like they started doing in 2001 when Bush took office..</font>

http://www.eia.doe.gov/emeu/steo/pub/fsheets/real_prices.html

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'and even though he didn't look right at Obama I think that was more to show the American people he is going to look at who he works for'

Did you ever think it could have been because he COULDN'T turn towards NObama?

He is SEVERELY injured, why do you think his left arm only lifts slightly?

<font color="red">It's only his arm and not the rest of his body.</font>
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'CEO's who are responsible be arrested and their assets be taken (RICO) and then be tried by a jury of our peers'

Because it is the board of directors that do the damage.

The CEO is like the President, someone we can blame, but in reality, don't really do a whole lot.

<font color="red">Actually the CEO has control, unless he's voted down by the board. They should all be tried for allowing it to happen.</font>
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Now...

It matters not who wins, we are FUCKED!

<font color="red">Agreed, I think with Obama we'll be less "fucked". </font>
I agree with sexyidcpl, Obama never
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im here
Sincity, pleeeze, a "gutless investor". Either you are smart or your neighbor is dumb. Please stop talking about all the idiots that got in mortgages way over their head. You are making too much sense for these forums. Not to mention the people who drew on their equity to invest it in the market.

CandC, I think you made comments resembling that guns don`t kill people but people kill people. We completely agree. The problem with guns on the street is that they get there by way of robbery which happened to my parents once. I see gun control as a way to reduce the guns in homes thus reducing the chances one will be stolen and used in crime. Maybe instead of taking away a persons right to bear arms we should focus on stronger punishments for those convicted using guns in a crime.

Don, I am not as familiar with Bidens stance on gun control but if I "had" to make an excuse for him this is what I would come up with. Much like the city of Philadelphia, Deleware being the small state it is, has the interstate going right thru it where the bad parts of town are providing easy escape routes for criminals. Deleware is a great state to live in and Biden is a very big reason for that. However, when you find the bad parts of Deleware they are among the worst in the country. His focus has always been to clean up these areas. With the cost of living being so low in Deleware it would attract people from other neighboring states and the very low income would settle in these problem areas. So no matter how fast you cleaned up the streets, more would fill them the next day.
TEQUILAROSE:

Ok so McCain doesnt know anything about war yeah right K He knows more about war than a Man like (Obama) that only reads about it has Obama ben to IRaq yet NO to even Visit the troops McCain has Gone over there Visited and talked to the troops and officials.

O and being captured in VietNam doesnt merrit a man to know anything about war.

So your little obama knows so much even thoes he only reads about it

O and that little Fire Fight in the streets isnt anything K Try Going Building to building not knowing if there is a bomb behind the door or who in the house has a weapon and who is going to kill you in a house the size of a tailer FACE TO FACE and haveing to make a split Secon Desition on takeing a life.

TRY A BETTER CLIP if you want to make a point.

IM ALSO A: PURPLE HEART RECIPIENT Like your self but mine was face to face with another human being

And Awarded 1 ARCOM.
The ARCOM is awarded to any member of the Armed Forces of the United States who, while serving in any capacity with the Army after 6 December 1941, distinguishes himself or herself by heroism, meritorious achievement or meritorious service. Award may be made to a member of the Armed Forces of a friendly foreign nation who, after 1 June 1962, distinguishes himself or herself by an act of heroism, extraordinary achievement, or meritorious service which has been of mutual benefit to a friendly nation and the United States.

Awards of the ARCOM may be made for acts of valor performed under circumstances described above which are of lesser degree than required for award of the Bronze Star Medal.


No one talk to me about what is happening in Iraq.
Unless you have BEN THERE.

NOT TO:
TEQUILAROSE

And to you that Only skim threw our POSTS you are a true exsample of LIBRAL SCUM skim threw and dont even have to hear the whole story dont even have to read the whole Article or post you just look at it skim threw then START BITCHING WITHOUT KNOWING THE WHOLE STORY.

YEAAH YOUR FUNNY DUDE I HAVENT READ ANYTHING WOTH READING FROM YOU, YOU JUST BITCH AT EVERYONE VIEWS.
And told tell me that you know what im going type CAUSE YOU DONT
HAHA!!! I have an ARCOM and <b>TWO</b> AAM's buddy. Don't think you are somehow more American than me because you side with McCain you dumb ass. Those purple hearts are no diffent that the purple hearts that the vets earned that support Obama. They don't give you magical political powers. So spare me your little boasting session about all your awards. I have 'em too.

you wrote:

<font color="orange">"McCain has Gone over there Visited and talked to the troops and officials."</font>

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Let's examine McCain's trip to Iraq.<br>

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http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/meast/04/01/iraq.main

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/03/world/middleeast/03mccain.html

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/17/world/middleeast/17mccain.html?_r=1&oref=slogin

http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1722800,00.html

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/05/30/1086950.aspx

McCain was a pilot during vietnam and was captured after he was shot down. He has no ground war experience. What happened to you and what happened to him can happen to anyone that puts on the fuckin uniform, so get off your fucking high horse and quit think the world owes you something. You know, just like I know and my wife and son know, what the cost can be for putting on the uniform. Don't pretend that makes you the end all be all expert on who's the best candidate for this country. There are plenty of disabled vets from the war, just like you, who support Obama. So kindly go fuck yourself.

McCain doesn't even know what's going on in Iraq. He is a political yes man for his party. He's trying to push the Troop Surge and the need to stay. This is Bush's Vietnam. McCain is just going to continue Bush's fuckin reign of idiocy. You call me a liberal communist all you want, but that means I get to call you a Fascist Capitalist Paleocon. ;)


-D-
O and can you show me something that isnt from CNN. Thanks







Dont say shit untill you watched the whole thing.

Type this up in GOOGLE:

Community Reinvestment Act

Dont say shit untiull you watched the whole thing.
It merrits more than a man that only reads about it in the news papper and has never owrn a Uniform.
O and What is an AAM's
O and What is an AAM's
C&C,


ARCOM = Army Commendation Medal
http://pirate.shu.edu/~collinjo/armysvc/ARCOM/Image23.gif

AAM = Army Achievment Medal
http://pirate.shu.edu/~collinjo/armysvc/AAM/Image1.gif
O and What is an AAM's
lol
Criteria: The Army Achievement Medal is awarded to any member of the armed forces of the United States, or to any member of the armed forces of a friendly foreign nation, who while serving in any capacity with the Army in a non-combat area on or after 1 August 1981, distinguished himself by meritorious service or achievement of a lesser degree than required for award of the Army Commendation Medal. The Army Achievement Medal will not be awarded to general officers.


Criteria. The ARCOM is awarded to any member of the Armed Forces of the United States who, while serving in any capacity with the Army after 6 December 1941, distinguishes himself or herself by heroism, meritorious achievement or meritorious service. Award may be made to a member of the Armed Forces of a friendly foreign nation who, after 1 June 1962, distinguishes himself or herself by an act of heroism, extraordinary achievement, or meritorious service which has been of mutual benefit to a friendly nation and the United States.

Awards of the ARCOM may be made for acts of valor performed under circumstances described above which are of lesser degree than required for award of the Bronze Star Medal. These acts may involve aerial flight.

and mine was Awarded in Combat.

You where just a P.O.G
SURFRIDER619:
WHAT little airplane that keeps flying in support of the ground troops? is it MQ-5B Or the Shy Warrior
Dude i wish i could have sat on my ass.
Community Reinvestment Act

Read it, it may Broden your mind on the librals that wanted to help everyone in U.S Qualify for Loans. and now the librals are doing the same old thing when something goes wrong they point Fingers.

Its not the fault of thoes who wanted it, IT is everyone elses.
Yeah, 8 years with a republican president and they're trying to blame democrats. You got it backwards my friend.

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CHRISANDCARRIE,

Let's see that V device and citation on your ARCOM.

-D-
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Community Reinvestment Act

Originally voted in and signed under Carter and then changed by the first Bush Administration and then Clinton and the current Bush allowed changes that caused a majority of the banking issues that are happening now.....read, don't just watch the videos......
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http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/anthem.asp
BNBON,

Great fuckin link man.

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-D-
There is a difference Between the Pledge of Allegiance and the National Anthem

The National Anthem is the same and the Pledge of allegiance has ben changed in some states the librals wanted to take out in god we trust.
DON -

I'm just trying to have people do a little research on things before they go off half-cocked about a picture or a supposed statement someone made....Choosing sides based on hastily put together propaganda (or built in nepotism) is no way to judge a person running for office, which is one of the reasons we got GW Shrub in the office