Swingers Forum - Anyone know why????

C'mon TR...even WE...living in California know why the flags are at half-mast in Utah...

Kiss ass .... why you with don huh pffffffffffff

Hell if the flags should be flown at half staff for any reason it should be flown at half staff to honor our fallen troops in Iraq and Afghanistan and for our troops still fighting. RANGERS LEAD THE WAY!!!!!!!!!

Reality.

check

hear hear. LOL!

You're preaching to the choir.

is choir nakkid? if not I don't wanna be the preacher However, I prolly would dig a nun outfit

what topic....there was a topic? damn.... I went to the chat room and no one was there

Yeah sure.... you got jokes you funny man u

paint chips r rather good

extra lead please... makes em good n salty

I like salty

I also heard that schools no longer sing the pledge of alligence??? Now they are trying to get a bill passed to get it back????

FUCKIN A!

Let's not even mention that Utah is trying to take beer and wine out of supermarkets and other stores all together. You guys should check out

http://www.utards.org

Check this article:

http://www.kutv.com/content/news/local/story.aspx?content_id=6e398902-e819-4f9d-8f7c-fe784f87114d


What about:

http://www.kutv.com/content/news/local/story.aspx?content_id=6f2a0d66-afad-4ffb-a808-c1d632bf88ed

EVEN THE FUCKIN MEDIA SHOVES THE FUCKIN CHURCH DOWN YOUR THROAT HERE.

http://www.kutv.com/content/news/local/story.aspx?content_id=93268cca-3211-46fa-8f03-3fbb7de34229


-D-

Mr Hinkley was awarded the Presidential Medal of Freedom June 23, 2004. The Presidential Medal of Freedom is our nation's highest civil honor. The Medal recognizes high achievement in public service, science, the arts, education, athletics, and other fields.

It would not be right to honor a person by lowering the flag simply because of his religious importance, however Mr. Hinckly is just as deserving as any Medal of Honor Recipient.

The Governor of Utah is authorized by federal law to order all U.S. and state flags in his jurisdiction to be flown at half-staff as a mark of respect for a state official or resident who has died.

Governor Huntsman's decision to lower the flag in respect for Mr. Hinkley is within his authority.

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THUMPERJIM,

The civil medal is <u>not</u> the same as the "Medal of Honor". What Hinckley did, as a member of his Church, <b>not</b> in an official government capacity, was in the interest of his church, himself and not the United States or the state of Utah. The honor is reserved for those that die in official service of the country or state.

I've included two Medal of Honor recipients' citations for your reading pleasure. As you can see, the Hinckley's efforts we nothing close to these men below. The men below are fuckin HEROES! The men below deserve the medal. The men below deserve the flag at half-mast.

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*DUNHAM, JASON L.

Rank and Organization: Corporal, United States Marine Corps
For conspicuous gallantry and intrepidity at the risk of his life above and beyond the call of duty while serving as Rifle Squad Leader, 4th Platoon, Company K, Third Battalion, Seventh Marines (Reinforced), Regimental Combat Team 7, First Marine Division (Reinforced), on 14 April 2004. Corporal Dunham's squad was conducting a reconnaissance mission in the town of Karabilah, Iraq, when they heard rocket-propelled grenade and small arms fire erupt approximately two kilometers to the west. Corporal Dunham led his Combined Anti-Armor Team towards the engagement to provide fire support to their Battalion Commander's convoy, which had been ambushed as it was traveling to Camp Husaybah. As Corporal Dunham and his Marines advanced, they quickly began to receive enemy fire. Corporal Dunham ordered his squad to dismount their vehicles and led one of his fire teams on foot several blocks south of the ambushed convoy. Discovering seven Iraqi vehicles in a column attempting to depart, Corporal Dunham and his team stopped the vehicles to search them for weapons. As they approached the vehicles, an insurgent leaped out and attacked Corporal Dunham. Corporal Dunham wrestled the insurgent to the ground and in the ensuing struggle saw the insurgent release a grenade. Corporal Dunham immediately alerted his fellow Marines to the threat. Aware of the imminent danger and without hesitation, Corporal Dunham covered the grenade with his helmet and body, bearing the brunt of the explosion and shielding his Marines from the blast. In an ultimate and selfless act of bravery in which he was mortally wounded, he saved the lives of at least two fellow Marines. By his undaunted courage, intrepid fighting spirit, and unwavering devotion to duty, Corporal Dunham gallantly gave his life for his country, thereby reflecting great credit upon himself and upholding the highest traditions of the Marine Corps and the United States Naval Service.

*SMITH, PAUL R.

Rank and Organization: Sergeant First Class, United States Army
For conspicuous gallantry and intrepidity at the risk of his life above and beyond the call of duty. Sergeant First Class Paul R. Smith distinguished himself by acts of gallantry and intrepidity above and beyond the call of duty in action with an armed enemy near Baghdad International Airport, Baghdad, Iraq on 4 April 2003. On that day, Sergeant First Class Smith was engaged in the construction of a prisoner of war holding area when his Task Force was violently attacked by a company-sized enemy force. Realizing the vulnerability of over 100 fellow soldiers, Sergeant First Class Smith quickly organized a hasty defense consisting of two platoons of soldiers, one Bradley Fighting Vehicle and three armored personnel carriers. As the fight developed, Sergeant First Class Smith braved hostile enemy fire to personally engage the enemy with hand grenades and anti-tank weapons, and organized the evacuation of three wounded soldiers from an armored personnel carrier struck by a rocket propelled grenade and a 60mm mortar round. Fearing the enemy would overrun their defenses, Sergeant First Class Smith moved under withering enemy fire to man a .50 caliber machine gun mounted on a damaged armored personnel carrier. In total disregard for his own life, he maintained his exposed position in order to engage the attacking enemy force. During this action, he was mortally wounded. His courageous actions helped defeat the enemy attack, and resulted in as many as 50 enemy soldiers killed, while allowing the safe withdrawal of numerous wounded soldiers. Sergeant First Class Smith

The private businesses that dropped their flag help me- it lets me know which stores and businesses to avoid in the future.

Stupid sheeple.

Huntsman is LDS. For those that say, "the church has no influence", I say, "BULLSHIT!"


-D-

Guys... TR especially, how about a little perspective?

A lot of us may not be so fond of the LDS church, but that doesn't change the fact that we are living in a state with the highest ratio of of LDS members. Most of these people have a lot of admiration for the old man. So what's *really* wrong with those people who want to show some regard for Hinckley's passing?

Especially consider that the flag has been flown at half staff for the passing of other events including, the passing of Pope John Paul II, the 9/11 victims, the Space Shuttle Columbia crew, victims of Hurricane Katrina and the Indian Ocean tsunami, Coretta Scott King, Rosa Parks, and victims of the VA Tech shooting. See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Half-staff Additionally, flags were lowered for Jerry Falwell in various parts of the South.

Now I'm somewhat familiar with flag etiquette, and I do scratch my head at most of those items on this list, but I am far from a pissy fit because some of those listed don't exactly meet the formal criteria. We all could only hope to lead lives which uplift enough people to have similar recognition at our own death.

On the other hand, after spending a couple days leading search teams for that missing BYU student, Camille Cleverly, I was really surprised to see some businesses fly the flag at half staff after her demise was discovered. While I have no doubt Camille was a really nice person, if the standard fell a notch lower, the local Petsmart would fly their flag low with the flushing of every dead gold fish in town. And that would be silly.

There are laws for the display of our flag.

That being said there are also laws that make it so that a few men can decide on a whim to lower the flag for any reason (i.e. the president and the governor).

That being said, its a corrupt law, if one man can change the rules on a whim for no reason other than his personal beliefs.

Flying it half staff without order from the President ,the Governor or the Law pertaining to the display of the flag is just that... against the law.

No lowered flags here in Cali...but we have yet to venture out and actually look for a mormon chapel...they may be flying theirs at half-mast....

Whether you agree or not...remember that eventually this Valley and State will become so corrupt that the Faithful will see devil's on the backs of the wicked. This will frighten them so badly that they'll have to flee to the original site of the Garden of Eden...somewhere in Missouri I think.

So, hey! No worries. We can fly the flags at whatever position we want, stock our babies nurseries with a full bar and turn the churches into swinger's clubs.

Seriously folks. No matter where you live (and I've lived in a lot of places) you're going to see things like this. Blue Laws, Catholic influence, Baptists, Outlawed sex toys...you name it. If you want to change it, don't bitch about it in a Swinger's forum...VOTE!

K. I've got tinfoil hats to make. They sell like hotcakes on ebay!

-K_T

ROOSTER,

You don't answer injustice with more injustice. You cannot justify lowering the flag by saying people "admired him". It doesn't hold water. PERIOD. It's not right and I do not accept it. People have fought, bled and died over that flag and I'll not stand idly by and have our nations symbol of freedom, liberty and sacrifice cheapened by some religious governor misusing his power. Those traditions are there for a reason.

Look, I am not saying that these people don't have a reason to mourn and pay respects, I am just saying don't give him an honor that isn't deserved.


KT,

And it will never change until people bitch. The squeakiest wheels get the grease. The answer isn't to lay down and take injustice. You can put your head down all you like, but I am going to call bullshit when I see bullshit. This is some pretty rank shit.


-D-

Trixie, I think you would do so much better without the ad hoc attacks.

Is this country's demise due to a lack of flag etiquette? I doubt it. I am more inclined to point at the 40-some percent of Americans who use the ballot box as a means of stealing from their neighbor.



TR, you have a huge problem with religion. We all get that. Unfortunately for you, a very substantial majority of people in this state disagree with your beliefs. If you *really* are concerned about flag etiquette, then my advise to you is to bring the issue up again in the future when your anti-religious crusade is a little less apparent. Who knows? You might succeed.

If you want to bitch because of this one honor, then I think you're just being foolish and bigoted. If you want to bitch because the honor is given out far more often than it should, then I'm with you.

Again, my position is simply in favor of parity. Lower the flag for all major religious leaders, or none. Lower the flag for all major tragedies, or don't. I just want consistency, and from what I've seen in the past, acknowledging Hinckley is hardly the most extreme instance of bending flag etiquette rules.

Rooster,

my problem with the "parity" and "consistency" is that those definitions don't necessarily change the fact that the flag lowering isn't intended for church leaders. So shall we say that any good illegal immigrant has a right to this country because they are acting responsibly? So long as all the other immigrants act responsible (which they don't mind you) then we should just open the flood gates from Mexico?

I'm pretty sure the members of the LDS church, the news, the funeral procession, and all of the other mentions glorifying the Mormon leaders life are plenty and adequate to recognize his accomplishments as their leader. It would be no different if a leader of a church jumped in front of a bullet to save a civilian. Would that warrant a Purple Heart? Should he be given a medal of honor? NO!! Religious groups and the government should not be intermingled.

So, in short (although long) I agree with Don and Trixie. Being from a military family and seeing all of the sacrifices our young men and women make for this country, a flag lowering for a church leader is completely inappropriate!!!

Mr. UtHot

One more note:

Let's not forget the Irony of this flag lowering.

We are lowering the flag in representation of the very organization (religion in general) that has been at the forefront of, and cause of war throught our history. We are giving honor to a man, who leads a religious group, who epitomizes the need for the very organization (armed forces) that protects him. Then, blatantly and ironcally, the elected "Mormon" officials steal this honor, give it to their church leader and do so while wars and battles continue to be fought for religious crusading!! Talk about blasphemy!!

I emailed the ACLU and governors office concerning this last week when they were originally lowered. Here are my responses from both.

ACLU Response-
We have determined that the order, by Gov. Huntsman, to all state offices and schools to fly the flag at half staff may have violated the U.S. Flag Code. But it is not a constitutional violation which which the ACLU is mandated to protect. Thank you for taking the time to write us with your concern.

Huntsmans office response.-
Thank you for your email to the Office of the Governor regarding lowering the U. S. Flag. I have been asked to respond on behalf of the Governor.

It is our understanding that there is nothing in the State Law about lowering the flag. Under the interpretation of the Federal Law 4 USC Sec. 7, the U. S. General Service Administration had indicated that, although not specifically enumerated, the flag may be lowered for Prominent Citizens.

Additionally President Eisenhower Executive Order Proc. No. 3044 "Display of Flag at Half-Staff Upon the Death of Certain Officials and Former Officials" indicated that, "The heads of the several departments and agencies of the Government may direct that the flag of the United States be flown at half-staff on buildings, grounds, or naval vessels under their jurisdiction on occasions other than those specified herein which they consider proper....".

Governors have made the decision to allow the U. S. Flag to be lowered on rare occasions for prominent officials under the authority given him.

Thank you for writing.




So yeah guess we can forget seperation of church and state. Did we lower the flag for the pope when he died? I dont think so. Why should Mormon's get special treatment?? Moreover why should religion be involved at all??

And secondly, it is an insult to those citizens who deserve such respect such as gov't officials and fallen soldiers.

TR, et al.

Is the real problem with this flag issue all about extending the honor beyond those it was originally intended for? If so, that's great - just as I mentioned in my first post, I am concerned that it is being trivialized.

However, before you guys voice your concern, please choose your words more carefully. Don't you see the HUGE difference between the 2 statements:

"I believe the flag should only be flown at half mast for those the honor was originally intended."

And (we'll chose this embittered response from Calnsynut):

"personally, totally - absolutely offensive.... i live in utah, but am not a utahan.... he's a dead cult leader, end of story, soon to be replaced by another...flags half mast at a courthouse and a post office in utah county, pretty simple, the dumb asses who did it, fire their sorry asses. Fly the flag for those true patriots that have paid the price for my freedom.

this rant brought to you by me, tough shit. Cal"



People, if this really is about honoring the flag, lose the cancerous rhetoric and stick to your main point. The hatred espoused in this thread is akin to those rednecks who got pissy when Rosa Parks was given the same honor. By attacking any group which receives the honor (blacks, LDS members, or whoever), you really damage your credibility and thus lose the argument.

That's my last word.

Maybe you should all read up on the mormon "oath of vengeance" that was part of their secret temple ceremony where they swore to avenge the spilled blood of the saints on this nation. (sounds like a terrorist organization to me) Or lets not forget that their original leader Joseph Smith was wanted by the United States for treason before his lousy ass got capped. So yeah take a look at the roots of the organization and you will see it is as unamerican as they come. So why exactly is the govt showing them respect?? You got me.

TEQUILAROSE YOU ROCK. YOU ARE A TWO HUNDRED PERCENT RIGHT. THE MEDAL OF HONOR DOES NOT COMPARE TO THE HIGHEST CIVILIAN AWARD IN ANY WAY. WE AGREE WITH YOU TOTALLY. RANGERS LEAD THE WAY!!!!!

Wow and if anyone really did any research on the founding fathers who drafted and signed the constitution that those of us cite over and over, they would see that religion WAS a part of their personal lives. Unfortunately for those of you that would like to see a true separation of church and state will forget the influence that religion has ALWAYS played on politics...they ARE forever linked. One cannot truly, although most of you will argue, expect that our political process will be void of judgments that find their roots in some sort of religion. NO state on the this planet is void of religious influence...good luck finding it...as far as our own state is concerned even those such as Thomas Jefferson who in part was a politician and gave way, along with many others, to this sacred constitution, that so many always seem to revert back to in this forum, was deeply influenced by his religious beliefs. Now I know that the word God does not appear in the constitution but does anyone really think that religion NEVER played a role in its creation? Secondly I would be interested in seeing the manner in which a state with NO religious influence is involved...the fact of the matter, for me at least, is that although I might not agree with the values of religion, I am a realist knowing that I will never escape the influence that it plays on a global scale...and to those who have served in the armed forces like myself...as the saying goes "There are no atheists in foxholes." I used to think so until I was in one!


I know that I have entered into the lions den with an open wound but I feel that too many people have not done the research before they rant. With that I leave you a letter from Thomas Jefferson the third president of the United States to Danbury Baptist Association: Mr. President

"To messers Nehemiah Dodge, Ephraim Robbins, & Stephen S. Nelson a committee of the Danbury Baptist association in the state of Connecticut.

Gentlemen

The affectionate sentiments of esteem & approbation which you are so good as to express towards me, on behalf of the Danbury Baptist association, give me the highest satisfaction. my duties dictate a faithful & zealous pursuit of the interests of my constituents, and in proportion as they are persuaded of my fidelity to those duties, the discharge of them becomes more & more pleasing.

Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between man & his god, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legitimate powers of government reach actions only, and not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof, thus building a wall of separation between church and state. [Congress thus inhibited from acts respecting religion, and the Executive authorised only to execute their acts, I have refrained from presenting even occasional performances of devotion presented indeed legally where an Executive is the legal head of a national church, but subject here, as religious exercises only to the voluntary regulations and discipline of each respective sect.] Adhering to this expression of the supreme will of the nation in behalf of the rights of conscience, I shall see with sincere satisfaction the progress of those sentiments which tend to restore to man all his natural rights, convinced he has no natural right in opposition to his social duties.

I reciprocate your kind prayers for the protection and blessing of the common Father and creator of man, and tender you for yourselves and your religious association, assurances of my high respect & esteem.

(signed) Thomas Jefferson"
Jan.1.1802.

ABCMAN,

Why should I allow the church to encroach upon my liberty anymore? Why do I need to use honey? If I break the law, do I get honey from the system?

What "nasty name" did I call the LDS? I never once attacked the church. I simply pointed out that the governor misused his power and made every public facility in the land lower it's flag for a religious leader that was undeserving the honor. That is the truth and nothing more.


-D-

you know i have served this country for over 17 years now, and I think lowering the flag for anybody, is just showing respect. nobody is forced to lower thier flag. it almost makes me sick, that you "trixie, and TQ", would even throw your militarty service years around, just to make a stupid argument on why the flag should be lowered. everybody on this site can tell you have issues living in utah, and dealing with mormons. get over it, or move. i think most people on here are getting sick of your "god" like opinions.

What about respect for the law? Many of us have respect for the military, respect for our government leaders, and abide the law, so shouldn't our local government? Or are they exempt because they live in Utah and are part of the predominant faith.

I would think that many people here are insulted by the way Mitt Romney is being treated. Making his faith a negative issue in the election. I don't that that is fair outside of Utah, so why should it be just the opposite within our state.

does anybody know about the law when it comes to swinging in this state?
i would like to hear the law on this.

Very good point Recon. Fair enough.

Recon,
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Aren't you in a fuckin Army Unit??? HAHAHAH! A support unit for the 19th. Not a team member, but a supply guy? You haven't seen war either Chairborne. Don't throw your fuckin service around like you're some fuckin hooah guy either. Please! You work in an <b>Army</b> National Guard support unit as a fuckin supply guy. Real soldier??? HAHAHA!


I am not a "hater". I am simply tired of people burning the flag, misusing traditions and treading on a symbol that so many have fought and died for what it represents. I've never claimed to be a fuckin war vet. <b>Just like you can't.</b> I would be if it hadn't been for the a 18 wheeler, I would be. Does that even fuckin matter. I put on the uniform just like you. You go ahead and trivialize what the flag stands for, which sure as fuck isn't the mormon church and I'll keep defending that for which she stands.

The issue wasn't whether individual religious folks decided to show their respect by dropping their flag, but the order from the governor making it <u>manditory</u> for state, county and municipalities.

I am sorry if you don't like my "god-like" opinion. If you have a rebuttal or an oposing view, say it. Just don't talk about me like you fuckin know me. Spare me the, "I deployed to the Philippines, in the rear with the gear, so I'm more hooah than you" shit. It's guys like you PX Chairborne Rangers that throw their service around. I volunteer to deploy with the convoy security (infantry work) but got nailed and permanently disabled by a semi truck. Does that make my service any less valid than yours? Come on man.

I simply stated that the honor was not due to Warren B. Hinckley and that's a fucking fact. Now move out swiftly and draw fire, hooah!?



-D-

P.S.

They do not enforce the adulty law here. Supreme Court ruled such laws as unconstitutional. I learned that one in another thread debate. Oh and click <b><script>document.write('<a href="ht'+'tp://ww'+'w.audriannacole.com/214.jpg" target="_blank">here </a>')</script></b> and you can see if I've served in an infantry unit. I have 3 Infantry MOS'es highspeed. 11B, 11M, and 11H. How about you? Shall I post more of my record?</strike>

You are an asshole man. LOL!

Well said Recon, Im with you on this one 100%

Thumper

Couldn't agree more, Don.

Granted, Hinckley was a good guy and did some good things, but here's the rub. My DAD died in November of last year. He was one of the most patriotic, loving, caring, giving, unselfish, honorable men to ever walk this earth. Also a Korean war Vet. The only exception is that my dad didn't lead a flock of 13 million sheep, and hold the reins of a multi-BILLION dollar .... "not-for-profit" corporation..... uh.. I mean.. "religion"... That's about it.
At least if they want the flag flown at half-staff.. then let 'em pay TAXES.

Why couldn't I have called up the old Guv, and said: "Look Guv.. it's like this.... my dad just died, and yes, it's a tragic loss. I want the state and U.S. flags flown at half-staff in honor, respect and memory of him.. sound ok?"...

We can all see where THAT scenario would lead.. I'd be laughed out of the "restored" capitol building on my keester.

AND...... when the much-loved religious leader of your tiny local parish passes away.. should the state afford HIM the same honor.. and why not?

Ahhh Utah..... I'm also one of the vocal minorities... aka.. non-mormon, and I LIKE it that way. It's GOOD to think and explore for yourself.

I think the reason the state flies the flag at half-staff, is that a "PROFIT" passed away.. as compared to a "prophet". Amen.

Rock on, Don.

and then provide a knee to the nuts Don.... Bullys need that

SinCity,

I was reading through Don's posts. I could not find anything stating he hates the Mormon church. Your rant was more driven by hatred than the intent of the orginal message of this thread. A simple question was asked, "anyone know why the flags are being flown at half mast"?

Sin, by the way, I have a pole too, only it's planted in my pants and most of the time it's flying at half staff, waiting to honor those perverts on this site ready to exploit it...

Anyway, try not to get your panties up in a serious wad over Don. I don't think he's here to posture against other members, only speak what he truly believes. I do the same shit.. Hooah!

Mr. UtHot

Ok...I admit, I didn't have the wherewithall to read the entirety of SIN's long-winded thesus.
I DID get, however, that they were championing GBH, as a superhero, while at the same time ranting on TequilaRose...

Anybody care to offer a synopsis of anything I missed?

For the love of god, weather he be LDS, Christian, Catholic, Methodist, etc.... give it a rest.

TR was not in anyway bashing the LDS religion just stating that the governors decision went against the US Legislative Code regarding the treatment of the American flag.

If you would have bothered to read the entire thread you may well have realized that, as well as found a link to said code.

If you (SIN) would like to argue this point please point to a section of the code disproving TR's point of view.

Wow, I am not even going to dignify that hypocrite rant with a reply. As I said, you can scour the site and you will never find me saying that I hate the religion. What I see is Sin City using this as opportunity to get personal with me. Perhaps in the past, I verbally bitch slapped them in the forum and now they're trying to get a little pay back by posting about how it's ok to cheapen the honor of what a flag represents. In fact, they we so passionate about it, they saw fit to make it a law.

What's funny is that the excuse SBC used was, GWB said it was cool and a mormon governor said it was cool, so we should just shut up and let it be. All the power to you. I however, choose not to. It's obvious SBC isn't even reading all the thread. She is readin what she wants and making several unfounded presumptious personal remarks. What's sweet is that her hypcocisy is all right here in black and white.

So, Again... This man's accomplishments had nothing to do with it. He didn't serve America, He didn't serve Utah. He served the LDS Church. So until SBC's and Recon's etc. have a valid argument against the point I am making, instead of the, "I am feelin inferior, so I have to belittle you" rant, I will just read the honest replies and ignore the drivel.

KINBAKU_THEATRE,

The Supreme Court ruled that such laws are unpunishable because they're unconstitutionality. See LAWRENCE V. TEXAS. Furthermore, regarding the military, prosecution has the burden of proof and if neither party is complaining, it would be a cold day in hell before anyone would make it stick, trying to stick it to a swinger couple as a third party. Now an estranged wife is another story.


-D-

I was in the Battle of the Buldge and I won!!! Yes!

Mr. X

Man you really like to ramble. Here I will post it again since you are obviously not reading the entire thread and running your mouth.

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That is one of several Active Duty periods during my 14 years of service. His enlistment in the military has nothing to do with it. There are a few hundred thousand troops deployed to Iraq right now, many who will die under intense enemy fire, all so you can run your hypocrite cock holster. NONE of them will ever see such an honor and they <b>ARE</b> serving the United States. The difference between you and I, is that I know what it is to serve and you don't. That's why you are scoffing at it.

You're the same type of person that would torch the flag. That's a law too, but hey, it's just a rag that should be bowed in respect to just any fuckin person that a religion sees fit. I don't fucking think so. We're not all Christian, we're not all LDS. I feel the same about Martin Luther King's wife getting it, The Pope or anyone else that doesn't fit the criteria. I'm not maing this a "Hate Thread", you are.



-D-

P.S. He was not due the honor.

just got home from work, and noticed don god is still in a bad mood.... yea. i am in a support unit now, and proud of it... but i served in the corps for 6 years before moving over to there. and i have been to war twice. so don't even think you know me you dirty leg!!!! you should be the next topic in the soldier of fortune " poser of the month"..lol... you crack me up! again there you go thinking you know everything.... i enjoy reading your rants and raves... nothing makes me want to shit more. you're a fucking desk jocky.. maybe it was god who sent that fucking 18 wheeler on your ass, just so you couldn't soldier for the US anymore....lol and by the way mr 11b. i have that MOS also... I also hold 0311/ 0321 marine corps... so if you want to compare your little file go ahead.. if you want to wear your little mos's around your neck then good for you. damn... your making me laugh some more...

Again, one more time for the stupid people, you know who you are... maybe, you don't know who you are.... LOL! The supreme court shot those laws down because they're a christian law. Adultry is a sin not a crime. Show me some case law. ;-)

-D-

So I show up to this "premature ejaculation" clinic, I look around and I'm the only one there. I see the clock on the wall and realize I came to soon...

So as I read this nearing armageddon post, I wonder, When is the second coming?


Not to digress, but here's some food for thought. Some of the appropriate times to fly the flag at half staff, written by our leaders are ambiguous enough for the flag to be flown literally whenever someone feels it is appropriate. So, as much as we would all like it to be for certain leaders of the government, looks like one of our past presidents left a "carte blanche" ticket to fly it whenever it's deemed necessary (see below).

When should the flag be flown at half-staff?

A relatively easy way to remember when to fly the United States flag at half-staff is to consider when the whole nation is in mourning. These periods of mourning are proclaimed either by the president of the United States, for national remembrance, or the governor of a state or territory, for local remembrance, in the event of a death of a member or former member of the federal, state or territorial government or judiciary. The heads of departments and agencies of the federal government may also order that the flag be flown at half-staff on buildings, grounds and naval vessels under their jurisdiction.

On Memorial day the flag should be flown at half-staff from sunrise until noon only, then raised briskly to the top of the staff until sunset, in honor of the nation's battle heroes.

In the early days of our country, no regulations existed for flying the flag at half-staff and, as a result, there were many conflicting policies. But on March 1, 1954, President Dwight Eisenhower issued a proclamation on the proper times.

The flag should fly at half-staff for 30 days at all federal buildings, grounds, and naval vessels throughout the United States and its territories and possessions after the death of the president or a former president. It is to fly 10 days at half-staff after the death of the vice president, the chief justice or a retired chief justice of the United States Supreme Court, or the speaker of the House of Representatives. For an associate justice of the Supreme Court, a member of the Cabinet, a former vice president, the president pro tempore of the Senate, the majority leader of the Senate, the minority leader of the Senate, the majority leader of the House of Representatives, or the minority leader of the House of Representatives the flag is to be displayed at half-staff from the day of death until interment.

The flag is to be flown at half-staff at all federal buildings, grounds and naval vessels in the Washington, D.C., area on the day and day after the death of a United States senator, representative, territorial delegate, or the resident commissioner from the Commonwealth of Puerto Rico. It shall also be flown at half-staff on all federal facilities in the state, congressional district, territory, or commonwealth of these officials.

Upon the death of the governor of a state, territory or possession, the flag shall be flown at half-staff on all federal facilities in that governor's state, territory or possession from the day of death until interment.

The president may order the flag to be flown at half-staff to mark the death of other officials, former officials, or foreign dignitaries. In addition to these occasions, the president may order half-staff display of the flag after other tragic events.

The flag should be briskly run up to the top of the staff before being lowered slowly to the half-staff position.

Mr. X

Recon,

YOU FUCK! LOL! Man you had me pissed! I was like I can't fuckin believe Jason is talkin to a brother like that! Man I fuckin owe you a beer. Now I feel like a total asshole. You fucker.



-D-