SINCITYBICOUPLE damn... that parade is for the pioneers? damn i thought that parade was for my birthday..... damnit...lol
Jason,
Man, I am fuckin speechless man. You are a crazy mean motherfuckin Jarhead. Fuck!
Sincity,
Let em drop the Utah flag. I could care less about Utah's flag. It's Old Glory that I am concerned about. I don't know too many people that died fighting for the Bee hive. Wow and have you resorted to calling me names? For shame.
-D-
Man, I am fuckin speechless man. You are a crazy mean motherfuckin Jarhead. Fuck!
Sincity,
Let em drop the Utah flag. I could care less about Utah's flag. It's Old Glory that I am concerned about. I don't know too many people that died fighting for the Bee hive. Wow and have you resorted to calling me names? For shame.
-D-
here you go with a little history on some mormons..
MORMON BATTALION
In July 1846, under the authority of U.S. Army Captain James Allen and with the encouragement of Mormon leader Brigham Young, the Mormon Battalion was mustered in at Council Bluffs, Iowa Territory. The battalion was the direct result of Brigham Young's correspondence on 26 January 1846 to Jesse C. Little, presiding elder over the New England and Middle States Mission. Young instructed Little to meet with national leaders in Washington, D.C., and to seek aid for the migrating Latter-day Saints, the majority of whom were then in the Iowa Territory. In response to Young's letter, Little journeyed to Washington, arriving on 21 May 1846, just eight days after Congress had declared war on Mexico.
Little met with President James K. Polk on 5 June 1846 and urged him to aid migrating Mormon pioneers by employing them to fortify and defend the West. The president offered to aid the pioneers by permitting them to raise a battalion of five hundred men, who were to join Colonel Stephen W. Kearny, Commander of the Army of the West, and fight for the United States in the Mexican War. Little accepted this offer.
Colonel Kearny designated Captain James Allen, later promoted to Lieutenant Colonel, to raise five companies of volunteer soldiers from the able-bodied men between the ages of eighteen and forty-five in the Mormon encampments in Iowa. On 26 June 1846 Allen arrived at the encampment of Mt. Pisgah. He was treated with suspicion as many believed that the raising of a battalion was a plot to bring trouble to the migrating Saints.
Allen journeyed from Mt. Pisgah to Council Bluffs, where on 1 July 1846 he allayed Mormon fears by giving permission for the Saints to encamp on United States lands if the Mormons would raise the desired battalion. Brigham Young accepted this, recognizing that the enlistment of the battalion was the first time the government had stretched forth its arm to aid the Mormons.
On 16 July 1846 some 543 men enlisted in the Mormon Battalion. From among these men Brigham Young selected the commissioned officers; they included Jefferson Hunt, Captain of Company A; Jesse D. Hunter, Captain of Company B; James Brown, Captain of Company C; Nelson Higgins, Captain of Company D; and Daniel C. Davis, Captain of Company E. Among the most prominent non-Mormon military officers immediately associated with the battalion march were Lt. Col. James Allen, First Lt. Andrew Jackson Smith, Lt. Col. Philip St. George Cooke, and Dr. George Sanderson. Also accompanying the battalion were approximately thirty-three women, twenty of whom served as laundresses, and fifty-one children.
The battalion marched from Council Bluffs on 20 July 1846, arriving on 1 August 1846 at Fort Leavenworth (Kansas), where they were outfitted for their trek to Santa Fe. Battalion members drew their arms and accoutrements, as well as a clothing allowance of forty-two dollars, at the fort. Since a military uniform was not mandatory, many of the soldiers sent their clothing allowances to their families in the encampments in Iowa..
The march from Fort Leavenworth was delayed by the sudden illness of Colonel Allen. Capt. Jefferson Hunt was instructed to begin the march to Santa Fe; he soon received word that Colonel Allen was dead. Allen's death caused confusion regarding who should lead the battalion to Santa Fe. Lt. A.J. Smith arrived from Fort Leavenworth claiming the lead, and he was chosen the commanding officer by the vote of battalion officers. The leadership transition proved difficult for many of the enlisted men, as they were not consulted about the decision.
Smith and his accompanying surgeon, a Dr. Sanderson, have been described in journals as the "heaviest burdens" of the battalion. Under Smith's dictatorial leadership and with Sanderson's antiquated prescriptions, the battalion marched to Santa Fe. On this trek the soldiers suffered from excessive heat, lack of sufficient food, improper medical treatment, and forced long-distance marches.
The first division of the Mormon Battalion approached Santa Fe on 9 October 1846. Their approach was heralded by Col. Alexander Doniphan, who ordered a one-hundred-gun salute in their honor. At Santa Fe, Smith was relieved of his command by Lt. Col. Philip St. George Cooke. Cooke, aware of the rugged trail between Santa Fe and California and also aware that one sick detachment had already been sent from the Arkansas River to Fort Pueblo in Colorado, ordered the remaining women and children to accompany the sick of the battalion to Pueblo for the winter. Three detachments consisting of 273 people eventually were sent to Pueblo for the winter of 1846-47.
The remaining soldiers, with four wives of officers, left Santa Fe for California on 19 October 1846. They journeyed down the Rio Grande del Norte and eventually crossed the Continental Divide on 28 November 1846. While moving up the San Pedro River in present-day Arizona, their column was attacked by a herd of wild cattle. In the ensuing fight, a number of bulls were killed and two men were wounded. Following the "Battle of the Bulls," the battalion continued their march toward Tucson, where they anticipated a possible battle with the Mexican soldiers garrisoned there. At Tucson, the Mexican defenders temporarily abandoned their positions and no conflict ensued.
On 21 December 1846 the battalion encamped on the Gila River. They crossed the Colorado River into California on 9 and 10 January 1847. By 29 January 1847 they were camped at the Mission of San Diego, about five miles from General Kearny's quarters. That evening Colonel Cooke rode to Kearny's encampment and reported the battalion's condition. On 30 January 1847 Cooke issued orders enumerating the accomplishments of the Mormon Battalion. "History may be searched in vain for an equal march of infantry. Half of it has been through a wilderness where nothing but savages and wild beasts are found, or deserts where, for lack of water, there is no living creature."
During the remainder of their enlistment, some members of the battalion were assigned to garrison duty at either San Diego, San Luis Rey, or Ciudad de los Angeles. Other soldiers were assigned to accompany General Kearny back to Fort Leavenworth. All soldiers, whether en route to the Salt Lake Valley via Pueblo or still in Los Angeles, were mustered out of the United States Army on 16 July 1847. Eighty-one men chose to reenlist and serve an additional eight months of military duty under Captain Daniel C. Davis in Company A of the Mormon Volunteers. The majority of the soldiers migrated to the Salt Lake Valley and were reunited with their pioneering families.
The men of the Mormon Battalion are honored for their willingness to fight for the United States as loyal American citizens. Their march of some 2,000 miles from Council Bluffs to California is one of the longest military marches in history. Their participation in the early development of California by building Fort Moore in Los Angeles, building a courthouse in San Diego, and making bricks and building houses in southern California contributed to the growth of the West.
Following their discharge, many men helped build flour mills and sawmills in northern California. Some of them were among the first to discover gold at Sutter's Mill. Men from Captain Davis's Company A were responsible for opening the first wagon road over the southern route from California to Utah in 1848.
Historic sites associated with the battalion include the Mormon Battalion Memorial Visitor's Center in San Diego, California; Fort Moore Pioneer Memorial in Los Angeles, California; and the Mormon Battalion Monument in Memory Grove, Salt Lake City, Utah. Monuments relating to the battalion are also located in New Mexico, Arizona, and Colorado, and trail markers have been placed on segments of the battalion route.
See: Sergeant Daniel Tyler, A Concise History of the Mormon Battalion in the Mexican War 1846-1848 (1969); Philip St. George Cooke, et. al., Exploring Southwestern Trails, 1846-1854 (1938); Frank Alfred Golder, Thomas A. Bailey, and Lyman J. Smith, eds., The March of the Mormon Battalion From Council Bluffs to California Taken from the Journal of Henry Standage (1928).
MORMON BATTALION
In July 1846, under the authority of U.S. Army Captain James Allen and with the encouragement of Mormon leader Brigham Young, the Mormon Battalion was mustered in at Council Bluffs, Iowa Territory. The battalion was the direct result of Brigham Young's correspondence on 26 January 1846 to Jesse C. Little, presiding elder over the New England and Middle States Mission. Young instructed Little to meet with national leaders in Washington, D.C., and to seek aid for the migrating Latter-day Saints, the majority of whom were then in the Iowa Territory. In response to Young's letter, Little journeyed to Washington, arriving on 21 May 1846, just eight days after Congress had declared war on Mexico.
Little met with President James K. Polk on 5 June 1846 and urged him to aid migrating Mormon pioneers by employing them to fortify and defend the West. The president offered to aid the pioneers by permitting them to raise a battalion of five hundred men, who were to join Colonel Stephen W. Kearny, Commander of the Army of the West, and fight for the United States in the Mexican War. Little accepted this offer.
Colonel Kearny designated Captain James Allen, later promoted to Lieutenant Colonel, to raise five companies of volunteer soldiers from the able-bodied men between the ages of eighteen and forty-five in the Mormon encampments in Iowa. On 26 June 1846 Allen arrived at the encampment of Mt. Pisgah. He was treated with suspicion as many believed that the raising of a battalion was a plot to bring trouble to the migrating Saints.
Allen journeyed from Mt. Pisgah to Council Bluffs, where on 1 July 1846 he allayed Mormon fears by giving permission for the Saints to encamp on United States lands if the Mormons would raise the desired battalion. Brigham Young accepted this, recognizing that the enlistment of the battalion was the first time the government had stretched forth its arm to aid the Mormons.
On 16 July 1846 some 543 men enlisted in the Mormon Battalion. From among these men Brigham Young selected the commissioned officers; they included Jefferson Hunt, Captain of Company A; Jesse D. Hunter, Captain of Company B; James Brown, Captain of Company C; Nelson Higgins, Captain of Company D; and Daniel C. Davis, Captain of Company E. Among the most prominent non-Mormon military officers immediately associated with the battalion march were Lt. Col. James Allen, First Lt. Andrew Jackson Smith, Lt. Col. Philip St. George Cooke, and Dr. George Sanderson. Also accompanying the battalion were approximately thirty-three women, twenty of whom served as laundresses, and fifty-one children.
The battalion marched from Council Bluffs on 20 July 1846, arriving on 1 August 1846 at Fort Leavenworth (Kansas), where they were outfitted for their trek to Santa Fe. Battalion members drew their arms and accoutrements, as well as a clothing allowance of forty-two dollars, at the fort. Since a military uniform was not mandatory, many of the soldiers sent their clothing allowances to their families in the encampments in Iowa..
The march from Fort Leavenworth was delayed by the sudden illness of Colonel Allen. Capt. Jefferson Hunt was instructed to begin the march to Santa Fe; he soon received word that Colonel Allen was dead. Allen's death caused confusion regarding who should lead the battalion to Santa Fe. Lt. A.J. Smith arrived from Fort Leavenworth claiming the lead, and he was chosen the commanding officer by the vote of battalion officers. The leadership transition proved difficult for many of the enlisted men, as they were not consulted about the decision.
Smith and his accompanying surgeon, a Dr. Sanderson, have been described in journals as the "heaviest burdens" of the battalion. Under Smith's dictatorial leadership and with Sanderson's antiquated prescriptions, the battalion marched to Santa Fe. On this trek the soldiers suffered from excessive heat, lack of sufficient food, improper medical treatment, and forced long-distance marches.
The first division of the Mormon Battalion approached Santa Fe on 9 October 1846. Their approach was heralded by Col. Alexander Doniphan, who ordered a one-hundred-gun salute in their honor. At Santa Fe, Smith was relieved of his command by Lt. Col. Philip St. George Cooke. Cooke, aware of the rugged trail between Santa Fe and California and also aware that one sick detachment had already been sent from the Arkansas River to Fort Pueblo in Colorado, ordered the remaining women and children to accompany the sick of the battalion to Pueblo for the winter. Three detachments consisting of 273 people eventually were sent to Pueblo for the winter of 1846-47.
The remaining soldiers, with four wives of officers, left Santa Fe for California on 19 October 1846. They journeyed down the Rio Grande del Norte and eventually crossed the Continental Divide on 28 November 1846. While moving up the San Pedro River in present-day Arizona, their column was attacked by a herd of wild cattle. In the ensuing fight, a number of bulls were killed and two men were wounded. Following the "Battle of the Bulls," the battalion continued their march toward Tucson, where they anticipated a possible battle with the Mexican soldiers garrisoned there. At Tucson, the Mexican defenders temporarily abandoned their positions and no conflict ensued.
On 21 December 1846 the battalion encamped on the Gila River. They crossed the Colorado River into California on 9 and 10 January 1847. By 29 January 1847 they were camped at the Mission of San Diego, about five miles from General Kearny's quarters. That evening Colonel Cooke rode to Kearny's encampment and reported the battalion's condition. On 30 January 1847 Cooke issued orders enumerating the accomplishments of the Mormon Battalion. "History may be searched in vain for an equal march of infantry. Half of it has been through a wilderness where nothing but savages and wild beasts are found, or deserts where, for lack of water, there is no living creature."
During the remainder of their enlistment, some members of the battalion were assigned to garrison duty at either San Diego, San Luis Rey, or Ciudad de los Angeles. Other soldiers were assigned to accompany General Kearny back to Fort Leavenworth. All soldiers, whether en route to the Salt Lake Valley via Pueblo or still in Los Angeles, were mustered out of the United States Army on 16 July 1847. Eighty-one men chose to reenlist and serve an additional eight months of military duty under Captain Daniel C. Davis in Company A of the Mormon Volunteers. The majority of the soldiers migrated to the Salt Lake Valley and were reunited with their pioneering families.
The men of the Mormon Battalion are honored for their willingness to fight for the United States as loyal American citizens. Their march of some 2,000 miles from Council Bluffs to California is one of the longest military marches in history. Their participation in the early development of California by building Fort Moore in Los Angeles, building a courthouse in San Diego, and making bricks and building houses in southern California contributed to the growth of the West.
Following their discharge, many men helped build flour mills and sawmills in northern California. Some of them were among the first to discover gold at Sutter's Mill. Men from Captain Davis's Company A were responsible for opening the first wagon road over the southern route from California to Utah in 1848.
Historic sites associated with the battalion include the Mormon Battalion Memorial Visitor's Center in San Diego, California; Fort Moore Pioneer Memorial in Los Angeles, California; and the Mormon Battalion Monument in Memory Grove, Salt Lake City, Utah. Monuments relating to the battalion are also located in New Mexico, Arizona, and Colorado, and trail markers have been placed on segments of the battalion route.
See: Sergeant Daniel Tyler, A Concise History of the Mormon Battalion in the Mexican War 1846-1848 (1969); Philip St. George Cooke, et. al., Exploring Southwestern Trails, 1846-1854 (1938); Frank Alfred Golder, Thomas A. Bailey, and Lyman J. Smith, eds., The March of the Mormon Battalion From Council Bluffs to California Taken from the Journal of Henry Standage (1928).
There is equally good history from Oregon, where I am from. "The Volunteers" they were called. Google it, as I don't want to kill people with another long read. Anyway, what does this mean? I do not deny that Mormons have people that sacrifice people for the United States. I do not deny that Warren B. Hinckley was a good man. I just don't think he deserves the Half-Staff Flag anymore than he deserves a 21 gun salute. I mean absolutely no disrespect to the church. I just want the church to respect the seperation of church and state as provided in the 1st Amendment. I would also like to add that my statement applies to more that just Mr. Hinckley. It applies to all of those that this honor was not intended. What good is it to have a tradition if they're not followed. They mean more that just droping a piece of cloth.... Anyway, That's my point. Take it or leave it. I stand by my position. No one has made a valid enough argument to sway me. The best I got was personal insults from some bimbo in Vegas.
-D-
-D-
SIN and Everyone,
I just didn't agree. Do I hope to protest in SLC or Washington? NO. I just saw something that I didn't agree with and said it. I would hope that we don't always agree. These forums would suck if we did.
Ask yourselves this.... How many people participated and how many pages? LOL! You guys are drawn to this shit like flies to a turd, just like me. LOL! I can promise you this. I do not mean any disrespect to the Mormon religion or the unfortunate passing of Mr. Hinckley. My heart goes out to his family, friends and followers. With that being said, I promise to let this go. See you in my next rant LOL!
-D-
I just didn't agree. Do I hope to protest in SLC or Washington? NO. I just saw something that I didn't agree with and said it. I would hope that we don't always agree. These forums would suck if we did.
Ask yourselves this.... How many people participated and how many pages? LOL! You guys are drawn to this shit like flies to a turd, just like me. LOL! I can promise you this. I do not mean any disrespect to the Mormon religion or the unfortunate passing of Mr. Hinckley. My heart goes out to his family, friends and followers. With that being said, I promise to let this go. See you in my next rant LOL!
-D-
we aren't making up... we just have different opinions.... its just that my opinion doesn't suck...lol
Hey, I to agree that Mr. Hinckley was a good man. I just thought that the way they honored him was inappropriate. I just wish people would not read so far into what I say. I don't think my intent was "poison".
-D-
-D-
Why does everyone keep saying Hinckley was a "good man"? I doubt anyone here truly knows the guy. He worked in a PR capacity for nearly his entire life and was always in spin mode while in the public eye. While putting forth his best face he also pulled some things that I personally don't agree with.
The odds are very, very slim anyone here knew the guy at a personal level. I sure as Hell didn't. He could have been a true saint. He could have been a villain. He could have been Mr. Magoo with 12 advisors. I am not bashing the man. I didn't know the man. All I know is that he was the leader of a small religion that has a lot of financial investments and political clout in the state of Utah, and that the lowering of the flag to half mast in his honor would have angered quite a few (especially servicemen and women) in the previous states I've lived in.
The odds are very, very slim anyone here knew the guy at a personal level. I sure as Hell didn't. He could have been a true saint. He could have been a villain. He could have been Mr. Magoo with 12 advisors. I am not bashing the man. I didn't know the man. All I know is that he was the leader of a small religion that has a lot of financial investments and political clout in the state of Utah, and that the lowering of the flag to half mast in his honor would have angered quite a few (especially servicemen and women) in the previous states I've lived in.
go back to alaska
Two amazingly mature responses. One loaded with personal attacks and fueled by a complete lack of reading comprehension. I didn't attack the man, yet you act like I did.
"Did you get your ass booted for sucking some guy?"
Classy.
"You shouldn't shoot your mouth first and then AIM. "
You should consider those words before you issue screeds like the one you blasted TR with. If the righteous indignation in it weren't so misplaced it would not have been as hilarious as it was.
"this reaction is more commonly known as PREJUDICE! "
What the shit are you talking about? If I hated Mormons so much I wouldn't have moved to Utah and I would have severed ties with about a dozen of my closest friends. Again : ""You shouldn't shoot your mouth first and then AIM. "".
I got a PM from someone who stated they knew Mr. Hinckley, and that he was indeed a nice man to have in your life. That is good to know as he had a lot of influence over those around him. I am quite capable of separating the policies and business practices of the organization from the people. If you think that's bullshit, well then, that's your prerogative as an individual. I am too strapped for time and am not foolhardy enough to try and sway your view if you continue to believe it.
"Did you get your ass booted for sucking some guy?"
Classy.
"You shouldn't shoot your mouth first and then AIM. "
You should consider those words before you issue screeds like the one you blasted TR with. If the righteous indignation in it weren't so misplaced it would not have been as hilarious as it was.
"this reaction is more commonly known as PREJUDICE! "
What the shit are you talking about? If I hated Mormons so much I wouldn't have moved to Utah and I would have severed ties with about a dozen of my closest friends. Again : ""You shouldn't shoot your mouth first and then AIM. "".
I got a PM from someone who stated they knew Mr. Hinckley, and that he was indeed a nice man to have in your life. That is good to know as he had a lot of influence over those around him. I am quite capable of separating the policies and business practices of the organization from the people. If you think that's bullshit, well then, that's your prerogative as an individual. I am too strapped for time and am not foolhardy enough to try and sway your view if you continue to believe it.
Haha...good one AG. 
SIN...don't believe EVERYTHING you read...surely you're not THAT gullible??
SIN...don't believe EVERYTHING you read...surely you're not THAT gullible??
Isn't it wonderful these discussions are possible in this country and that flag represents all the freedoms we have even for some to abuse it.
Berry : Damn straight.
Jeeeseeez.I see why the flags are at half mast in Utah..All you crazy people live there..hahahahahahhehehehhohohoho..wheew I kill me..No really I do..bye Yall..KattNJohn
AG's original post was critisizing stuff like this:
"I barely knew Phillip, but as a clergyman I have no problem telling his most intimate friends about him."
-Futurama
"I barely knew Phillip, but as a clergyman I have no problem telling his most intimate friends about him."
-Futurama
OK wtf?
"OK wtf?"
That quote was pointing out the absurdity of talking one way or the other about a person on an personal level without actually ever associating with them.
That quote was pointing out the absurdity of talking one way or the other about a person on an personal level without actually ever associating with them.
Damn.... you all got a lot of anger here.... I say we empty our pool, refill it with Orange Jello (mr cheesy's fav), get naked, and jump in....
IF IF you can stop laughing long enough to argue you can wrestle it out....
And Mrs Alaska, even if no one else wants to come we can alway empty the hot tub and fill IT with Jello.... Mr Cheesy would like to invite you either way....
Aged, mild Cheeseheads....
IF IF you can stop laughing long enough to argue you can wrestle it out....
And Mrs Alaska, even if no one else wants to come we can alway empty the hot tub and fill IT with Jello.... Mr Cheesy would like to invite you either way....
Aged, mild Cheeseheads....
OK DR Alaska PHIL you caught me.Yeah,No really!No if HE'S a clergyman..Then IM the POPE of the Sisterhood for the Perpetual Emmaculate Hard-on..clergyman...jeeseez yeah right..Boy IF ever I have to take a trip out west IM by passing UTAH!You fellas are too much of space cadets for me!GO MITT ROMNEY!hahahehehehohohhaheho...Cheese and crackers!!!!
Mueller was quoting a TV show. A show where a clergyman was speaking. That's why he signed it with the name of the show.
OOooh Cheesecpl..if you look alot of the anger comes from THOSE people outta UTAH.Whoa they need to just relax and pass some gas because boy are their a-holes tight!!Hey you two guys ever wrestle in Cheesewhiz..Your wife is 6/2 I bet she can really put a hurtin' on ya..just a joke-ok..Bye KattNJohn
OK Alaska I stand HUMBLY CORRECTED...DIDNT GET the refference..Sorry!KattNJohn
Right! I hear you and ginger (named after Tina Louise) is 6 1+ so yes, some cheezwiz is good...
Dang Alaska....
Dang Alaska....