I do not smoke weed anymore. I did it quite a bit when I was younger (prior to the military). I would personally legalize it, if it were in my power. I would not smoke it, because it makes my paranoid LOL! However, I would cultivate the shit out of it.
I think it would be great for the economy, it would reduce crime and from personal experience, I know for absolute certain that it is nowhere near as debilitating or as harmful to your health as alcohol. I would love to know what you think.
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Before I leave this one to you, I would like to add that we shouldn't have to hide behind the medicinal excuse to legalize this natural substance. The U.S. spends money incarcerating people that sell and use weed, that can be used for other purposes. This is just another example of one group of people forcing their dogma on others.
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P.S. Notice that both dudes are kinda chunky... All those munchies I bet. LOL!
I think it would be great for the economy, it would reduce crime and from personal experience, I know for absolute certain that it is nowhere near as debilitating or as harmful to your health as alcohol. I would love to know what you think.
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Before I leave this one to you, I would like to add that we shouldn't have to hide behind the medicinal excuse to legalize this natural substance. The U.S. spends money incarcerating people that sell and use weed, that can be used for other purposes. This is just another example of one group of people forcing their dogma on others.
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P.S. Notice that both dudes are kinda chunky... All those munchies I bet. LOL!
We would agree with you. In our opinion it would do a couple of things: 1. It would take all the money out of it 2. It would eliminate the amount of time and resources spent trying to enforce the laws against it ( and we all can see how successful that has been)
The most important thing is however the last point you mention. The ever presant desire of a few in power to inflict their view of right and wrong on everyone else.
We have never smoked weed, and never intend too. But view that as having very little to do with it.
T and V
The most important thing is however the last point you mention. The ever presant desire of a few in power to inflict their view of right and wrong on everyone else.
We have never smoked weed, and never intend too. But view that as having very little to do with it.
T and V
RANCHCOUPLE3 wrote:
<i>"a few in power to inflict their view of right and wrong on everyone else"</i>
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That is exactly why the first amendment was written. It was <i>suppose</i> to prevent the church from gaining power and dictating to the people, it's dogma, by proxy the government. I for one, think more people should speak out against the gradual decline of our liberties and the slow death grasp that the church has on the throat of our country; turning this democracy into a theocracy.
I find it admirable that you, unlike a great deal of the fucktards in my state will not try and make your preference, everyone else's. ;-)
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<i>"a few in power to inflict their view of right and wrong on everyone else"</i>
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That is exactly why the first amendment was written. It was <i>suppose</i> to prevent the church from gaining power and dictating to the people, it's dogma, by proxy the government. I for one, think more people should speak out against the gradual decline of our liberties and the slow death grasp that the church has on the throat of our country; turning this democracy into a theocracy.
I find it admirable that you, unlike a great deal of the fucktards in my state will not try and make your preference, everyone else's. ;-)
-D-
Thanks Don.....of course we would legalize prostitution too.
T
T
Loving_Naked's article stated:
"Fear and contempt of 'coloureds', and of sex, was the visible motive in a few 1920's newspaper drug scandals about foreigners with cocaine or opium, and the English girls they allegedly corrupted and destroyed, but cannabis was rarely accused."
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This is one of many references in that article that points the the church's influence in the decision. Hell you even mentioned that it promoted "homosexuality". This is something only the church would fuckin care about. LOL! Anything morally wrong was introduced as such by the church, to include drugs.
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"Fear and contempt of 'coloureds', and of sex, was the visible motive in a few 1920's newspaper drug scandals about foreigners with cocaine or opium, and the English girls they allegedly corrupted and destroyed, but cannabis was rarely accused."
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This is one of many references in that article that points the the church's influence in the decision. Hell you even mentioned that it promoted "homosexuality". This is something only the church would fuckin care about. LOL! Anything morally wrong was introduced as such by the church, to include drugs.
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lol don yep the churches try to control everythng now days and yes we would as well
trose- since the videos are no longer available what is the point?
I think if I am in my own house and not hurting anyone then leave me the fuck alone!!!!!
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The fucking cops should worry more about the child molesters more !!!!!!!
COPS = The kid that always got beat up in school....
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The fucking cops should worry more about the child molesters more !!!!!!!
COPS = The kid that always got beat up in school....
FLATLANDER, I guess they're working for everyone but you.
FLCPL6772, I agree that there are a lot of COPS out there that make a bad name for their kind, but I still think we need police. What we don't need are idiot cops that like to taser the shit out of citizens over trying to reason with them first. There are a lot of morons patrolling the streets that escalate shit rather than handling it reasonably.
Take this dipshit Utah Highway Patrolman's response for example.
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That moron should not be patrolling our streets. It's morons like him that don't realize that they are public servants. These are the idiots with chips on their shoulders. This idiot was found to be justified. Granted, he doesn't know this motorist from the next dude, but come on, it's apparent this could've been handled much more diplomatically. The officer, in this case, escalated the situation by using a condescending tone and immediately using the taser when it was clearly not needed. I say put this moron behind a desk at the very least.
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FLCPL6772, I agree that there are a lot of COPS out there that make a bad name for their kind, but I still think we need police. What we don't need are idiot cops that like to taser the shit out of citizens over trying to reason with them first. There are a lot of morons patrolling the streets that escalate shit rather than handling it reasonably.
Take this dipshit Utah Highway Patrolman's response for example.
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That moron should not be patrolling our streets. It's morons like him that don't realize that they are public servants. These are the idiots with chips on their shoulders. This idiot was found to be justified. Granted, he doesn't know this motorist from the next dude, but come on, it's apparent this could've been handled much more diplomatically. The officer, in this case, escalated the situation by using a condescending tone and immediately using the taser when it was clearly not needed. I say put this moron behind a desk at the very least.
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Yes, We think they shoud make Pot legal. As far as that police video, we know that the greater majority of Police Officers do a fine job but there are always Dickheads like that one in the bunch.
WHAT A ASS, Just think how great it would be if they took his badge!!!!
If you cant tell i hate cops!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
They can kiss my ass...............
If you cant tell i hate cops!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
They can kiss my ass...............
Helpfire, Agreed.
FLCPL, I <i>can</i> tell.
FLCPL, I <i>can</i> tell.
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It's illegal because it's making someone money. Being illegal makes it's worth a lot more. Some of those that are advocating it's illegality and "fighting the war on drugs" are among those profitting from it. Let's not forget that the CIA was tied to the Crack epidemic.
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TR, you pot head
Use to be. LOL! If I didn't get paranoid, I would probably still smoke the stuff. ;-)
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I disagree. Meth, Heroine and any harder drug can easily be justified to remain on the illegal list. If your logic applied, then it would already be so, after alcohol was legalized. The thing is, marijuana is nearly impossible to overdose on, it is nowhere near as incapacitating as the harder drugs, to include alcohol. Heroine is easy to overdose on, as is meth. I would actually be totally for legalizing all drugs and regulating it, like many European countries. It can't be any worse than the current means of control.
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I'm one of those "guvmint" types and I would totally legalize pot. Hell, Mary Jane users only want to eat munchies and be in love with everyone. Drunks want to fight. Legalize it and let the guvmint collect taxes on it. Turn it into a profit stream rather than a cost center.
As for FLCpl's comments on cops, you just haven't been exposed to the right cops. I know lots of cool ones. And there are lots in the Lifestyle. Don't put them all in one basket, that is stereotyping.
As for FLCpl's comments on cops, you just haven't been exposed to the right cops. I know lots of cool ones. And there are lots in the Lifestyle. Don't put them all in one basket, that is stereotyping.
Would have to say that if you legalized the harder drugs as well, they would become very cheap in a very short time. This would leave almost no motive for "pushing" them in school yards etc. It would also, I think lead to fewer of these drugs entering this country from abroad, as there would be a much smaller profit.
Prohabition didn't work, I guess we can agree on that? This is really no different.
As far as our "loss" of rights, we have lost a significant portion of them lately in the name of terrorist suppression. I find that scary. Seems we are entering a new "Mc Carthy" era. I will however say that terrorists are very hard if not impossible to protect ourselves from.
T
Prohabition didn't work, I guess we can agree on that? This is really no different.
As far as our "loss" of rights, we have lost a significant portion of them lately in the name of terrorist suppression. I find that scary. Seems we are entering a new "Mc Carthy" era. I will however say that terrorists are very hard if not impossible to protect ourselves from.
T
What is wrong with stereo typing cops they are all the same.Having rode in a 1%er motorcycle club I can honestly say I have been treated the same by all of them,unless they know me personally.So yea i would lump them all together just like they lump all bikers together and say we are all bad and because we wear a patch must be law breakers.
Drugs maybe the road to nowhere, but at least its the scenic route
Lets do some comparison shopping, availablity, demand, price, side effects.
Cigarettes: low to mild high, why else would people smoke? Available in a wide variety of flavors, lengths, filtered, non filtered, types of tobacco. Price varies with brand use to be cheap, but with insurance companies pushing the government to do something about thier cost, they have gone up $1 or more in recent years. Demand, huge... side effects couging, possible cancer patient at some point in life, and in the last several years forced to smoke in restricted areas at work, outside at diners if that, ban from more and more public buildings.
Never met or ran across an angry smoker.
Alcohol: with limited intake a mild high, with moderate intake some dizziness, light headed, with some women nerves are calm which makes them horny lol, large intake drunken stupper confusion, courage to say and do things you wouldnt do otherwise, excessive intake passing out, waking up with someone or somewhere you dont know, sick, blasting headache, weak and groggy. Of course all the above depends on your BMI Body Mass Index as to how much a person can drink and the side effects. Cost depends on your favorite or drink of choice. Demand is high look at the millions in ads as is supply.
I do know several, and have met/seen many ANGRY drunks.
Over the counter drugs: depending on your drug of choice you can help a headache, lose weight, sleep better, get through your day better, in other words take uppers or downers based on need. Price depends on the drug. demand is huge and varies.
All the above are legal, all can cause you harm, and in some cases especially with the alcohol be arrested.
Heroin: a downer, acne, these people are not a lot of fun to be around in my experience.
Not usually angry more like grumpy.
Meth: an upper, these people can be fun to be around, plus hard to keep up with, but when they crash, they can get ugly. Loss of teeth, premature aging, acne, paranoyia.
And yes, some meth users can get or be very angry.
I have no idea the price, or demand for these.
Weed: Much larger demand than one might think, many more users than you might think, now with much better or should I say wider choices to smoke. When I was young columbian was the weed of choice, now from what I understand its HYDRO, water grown weed. Swag is still the cheapest, and still comes in a variety. Depends on the person as to the effects, some mellow out, while only a very rare few that I have ever met get mildly angry.
I'm not up on price anymore, as I am not a user, and never have been, but my best friend has been since we were teens.
Would I make it legal? Yes.
Why? As said before, it would bring prices down, it might take the fun out of it, it might prove to show just who is a closet weed smoker, plus we could get a better grip on how it effects ones health, like does it cause cancer, blindness, hearing loss?
Set limits on the level in the blood just like alcohol.
Does that make sense?
Am I off base here?
Cigarettes: low to mild high, why else would people smoke? Available in a wide variety of flavors, lengths, filtered, non filtered, types of tobacco. Price varies with brand use to be cheap, but with insurance companies pushing the government to do something about thier cost, they have gone up $1 or more in recent years. Demand, huge... side effects couging, possible cancer patient at some point in life, and in the last several years forced to smoke in restricted areas at work, outside at diners if that, ban from more and more public buildings.
Never met or ran across an angry smoker.
Alcohol: with limited intake a mild high, with moderate intake some dizziness, light headed, with some women nerves are calm which makes them horny lol, large intake drunken stupper confusion, courage to say and do things you wouldnt do otherwise, excessive intake passing out, waking up with someone or somewhere you dont know, sick, blasting headache, weak and groggy. Of course all the above depends on your BMI Body Mass Index as to how much a person can drink and the side effects. Cost depends on your favorite or drink of choice. Demand is high look at the millions in ads as is supply.
I do know several, and have met/seen many ANGRY drunks.
Over the counter drugs: depending on your drug of choice you can help a headache, lose weight, sleep better, get through your day better, in other words take uppers or downers based on need. Price depends on the drug. demand is huge and varies.
All the above are legal, all can cause you harm, and in some cases especially with the alcohol be arrested.
Heroin: a downer, acne, these people are not a lot of fun to be around in my experience.
Not usually angry more like grumpy.
Meth: an upper, these people can be fun to be around, plus hard to keep up with, but when they crash, they can get ugly. Loss of teeth, premature aging, acne, paranoyia.
And yes, some meth users can get or be very angry.
I have no idea the price, or demand for these.
Weed: Much larger demand than one might think, many more users than you might think, now with much better or should I say wider choices to smoke. When I was young columbian was the weed of choice, now from what I understand its HYDRO, water grown weed. Swag is still the cheapest, and still comes in a variety. Depends on the person as to the effects, some mellow out, while only a very rare few that I have ever met get mildly angry.
I'm not up on price anymore, as I am not a user, and never have been, but my best friend has been since we were teens.
Would I make it legal? Yes.
Why? As said before, it would bring prices down, it might take the fun out of it, it might prove to show just who is a closet weed smoker, plus we could get a better grip on how it effects ones health, like does it cause cancer, blindness, hearing loss?
Set limits on the level in the blood just like alcohol.
Does that make sense?
Am I off base here?
Yes we would make it legal.. Like you have said the resorces spent on trying to get rid of it is a joke.. We watched a program not so ling ago about how and why it is not legal and we learned alot from it.. Personally we feel that alachol does far more damage to the person drinking it and alot of others too... So what if we want to be fat and somber LOL... Being a person who has smoked and drank before I feel that if I had the choice i would smoke any day of the week hell no hang overs LOL
As for Cops, On Dec 26,2006 the Salt Lake county sheriffs department got away with murder and no one ever said a thing just wrote it off when they threw a disruptive inmate at the county lock up in a closed cell after beating him severly for assaulting one of the guards and set off two concussion grenades in the cell with the unconscious man killing him. Not a single comment on the news. BS you say? I know an actual witness who was kicked loose along with the whole cell block after they cleanned up the mess and before the investigators arrived. The honor of most cops is to the brotherhood of officers and not to the public. Cops are not schooled the way they used to be. Now they are taught that there are two kinds of people,..cops and assholes and if your not one then your automaticaly the other. I know people that were turned down for the accademy because they scored TOO high on the entrance exam. WTF? Not that there aren't the rare cool cop I've known a few in my life time.
As for the weed issue, Utah was the first state to outlaw it in 1915 as a result of a case involving the rape amd murder of a young girl by her migrant worker father who blammed it on marijuana withdrall. We of course know now that weed is not addictive. So with no imperical or scientific eveidence and purely emotional reponse started the illegalization of it. Now throw in Wm R. Hurst and his forrest/paper mill interests along with Dupont who had just come up with this new stuff callled nylon whos initial use was rope and other fiber replacments (hemp rope being the finnest natural fiber rope) combined with the increased use due to prohibbition and a good media campain such as ludicris movies like Reefer Madness and the public was sold and by 1933 a national staute was in place.
I don't think we will ever see it leagal. Mainly because there's too much in it for the system. they make too much off of it in the forms of tax dollars spent on incarceration, the seisure of property without compensation, the ability to conduct searches without warrants, the sale of stollen proprety fron those charged with possession and the fines collected from said charged people. And many other dollar motivated reasons. The Gov. doesnt want to win the "war on drugs" there's too much money and power at stake to legalize it. And do you really think that the pharicuetical companies are about to let it happen either? How much prozac, luvox, lunesta or valuim do you think they could sell if insted all you had to do was have a puff or two and the anxiety faded away? Can't sleep? just smoke too much..lol
I personally would love to see it leagal. I'd love to make wood products with it, save a tree make it with weed. With four times the bio-yield per acre as mature forrest and can produce two crops a year in the right region. The seeds make the finnest grade of vegetable oil(can you say bio deisel) and have the highest protien content. But when you have greedy, power hungry idiots with agendas in charge, we all pay the price. Which should top ten trillion by next year. Legalization could easily offset that figure in a few years if it were taxed.
As for the weed issue, Utah was the first state to outlaw it in 1915 as a result of a case involving the rape amd murder of a young girl by her migrant worker father who blammed it on marijuana withdrall. We of course know now that weed is not addictive. So with no imperical or scientific eveidence and purely emotional reponse started the illegalization of it. Now throw in Wm R. Hurst and his forrest/paper mill interests along with Dupont who had just come up with this new stuff callled nylon whos initial use was rope and other fiber replacments (hemp rope being the finnest natural fiber rope) combined with the increased use due to prohibbition and a good media campain such as ludicris movies like Reefer Madness and the public was sold and by 1933 a national staute was in place.
I don't think we will ever see it leagal. Mainly because there's too much in it for the system. they make too much off of it in the forms of tax dollars spent on incarceration, the seisure of property without compensation, the ability to conduct searches without warrants, the sale of stollen proprety fron those charged with possession and the fines collected from said charged people. And many other dollar motivated reasons. The Gov. doesnt want to win the "war on drugs" there's too much money and power at stake to legalize it. And do you really think that the pharicuetical companies are about to let it happen either? How much prozac, luvox, lunesta or valuim do you think they could sell if insted all you had to do was have a puff or two and the anxiety faded away? Can't sleep? just smoke too much..lol
I personally would love to see it leagal. I'd love to make wood products with it, save a tree make it with weed. With four times the bio-yield per acre as mature forrest and can produce two crops a year in the right region. The seeds make the finnest grade of vegetable oil(can you say bio deisel) and have the highest protien content. But when you have greedy, power hungry idiots with agendas in charge, we all pay the price. Which should top ten trillion by next year. Legalization could easily offset that figure in a few years if it were taxed.
Very nice SLOWHAND. That was a very informative post. Thanks.
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SlowHand of all the people i know for some reason it had to be you that has put it like it is LOL... what a great post ..
And who are the Real drug pushers? I've known many "dealers" in my youth but never a one that pushed drugs on me. They just sell what the market wants unlike "Just ask your doctor" drug manufacterers. Just say NO to drugs..... BUY Tylenol or Lunesta!!! so when someone mentions drug pushers on the playgrounds I say no such thing
Franky I'd like to see all drugs legalized and if someone is dumb enough to try/use certain ones then here... let them take all they want and hopefully they will over dose before reproducing. I know that sounds cruel but nature way is to eliminate those that can't cope. We are all accountable for our actions.
AS far as BC's pulp industry... all they have to do is start planting hemp where they've clearcut all the forrests and belive me they have clear cut a hell of a lot of it. Sure they don't cut it to where you can see from the roads but I've flown over alot of B.C. in a small plane and it's very sad how poorly canada has managed it's forrests. If they grew hemp they wouldn't need to rape the trees and old growth. And I'm not even a tree hugger.
Franky I'd like to see all drugs legalized and if someone is dumb enough to try/use certain ones then here... let them take all they want and hopefully they will over dose before reproducing. I know that sounds cruel but nature way is to eliminate those that can't cope. We are all accountable for our actions.
AS far as BC's pulp industry... all they have to do is start planting hemp where they've clearcut all the forrests and belive me they have clear cut a hell of a lot of it. Sure they don't cut it to where you can see from the roads but I've flown over alot of B.C. in a small plane and it's very sad how poorly canada has managed it's forrests. If they grew hemp they wouldn't need to rape the trees and old growth. And I'm not even a tree hugger.
VP,
1) They are already pushing something harder.
2) You said it yourself, Ecstacy has to be properly managed. People die from it's effects on the hypothalamus gland. Do kids "manage" anything?
3) The benefits far outweigh the hazards with regard to legalization of marijuana.
The truth is, if you recognize it as being "lumped in" with the rest, so do many others. Even a good deal of the bible thumpers know that marijuana is less harmful than alcohol. You and I both know this is the truth. Alcohol is far more detrimental to our society than marijuana. In fact, to the contrary, marijuana will help our community by providing a agricultural income, not to mention it can be taxed via the income of the farmer and for the sales. It's also a better alternative to Alcohol for those that want to get a buzz without all the bullshit side effects.
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1) They are already pushing something harder.
2) You said it yourself, Ecstacy has to be properly managed. People die from it's effects on the hypothalamus gland. Do kids "manage" anything?
3) The benefits far outweigh the hazards with regard to legalization of marijuana.
The truth is, if you recognize it as being "lumped in" with the rest, so do many others. Even a good deal of the bible thumpers know that marijuana is less harmful than alcohol. You and I both know this is the truth. Alcohol is far more detrimental to our society than marijuana. In fact, to the contrary, marijuana will help our community by providing a agricultural income, not to mention it can be taxed via the income of the farmer and for the sales. It's also a better alternative to Alcohol for those that want to get a buzz without all the bullshit side effects.
-D-
Wow vp, tr, and slowhand I have learned so much from you guys- I love understanding what your opinions are in regards to weed and all the such.
Thanks guys!!
Mrs. Wild
Thanks guys!!
Mrs. Wild
well the original question was should pot be made legal? i would say no. do i need to justify my belief? again i'd say no, not at all.but for sake of conversation instead of all the things it doesn't do, what does it do. i've seen it make people hungry for junk food. i've seen it make people laugh at stupid things. i've seen it make people think of brilliant things,at the time,but can't remember what they were later. so what benefits it gives the recreational user, i don't know. as far as medicinal use if it does help then maybe under medical supervision. but in short i'll stay with no on legalization.
I do know one thing.....i would much rather be working next to someone who spent the nite smoking pot , than someone who spent the nite drinking, the next morning, i would much rather have the pot smoker watching my back in life and death situations......i have tried both.....and the next morning.....i know which one i felt better after.......now what i do with those damn papers..........PEACE ALL
So far the "Ayes" have it. There are really no justifications for it to be illegal. It is actually less harmful than many over-the-counter cough suppressants. It's actually funny to see some of the anti-marijuana campaigns and their distortion of the facts. The ridiculous commercials make me wanna play 36 holes of golf, using the producer's testicles. I think it's hilarious, the lengths some will go to force others to obey their dogma.
-D-
-D-
Can I just chime in here to say that I don't really have an opinion on this one? Yet, I am quite grateful that I can (for the moment) freely express my lack of one.
Thanks!
Heheheheh.
-K_T
Thanks!
Heheheheh.
-K_T
Right at this time and moment i say no why because that was the begining of my sixteen year olds over dose he had help by his biological father smoking the shit with him. There are reasons i divorced him, but that only helped my son to try other stuff i watched him die and be brought back so sorry i am anti-drug big time because of that. Children dont know or have the limitation factor so for our childrens benefit only i would not want to make any easier to get a hold of than now. This is so fresh with me still only been four months.
LOVING_NAKED,
I agree with government not observing Easter, but "Christmas" or the "winter holiday season", is a winter celebration that is a commercial holiday[s] that is only a religious thing to some.
The Christians borrowed the holiday "Christmas" from pagans, who called it Yule, as a time to celebrate the winter solstice. Since "pagan" means anything and everything not christian, it's not a religious celebration, but a holiday that was hijacked by Christians to influence pagans or non-believers.
-D-
P.S. Are you a lobbyist? If not, then it appears you are a zombie too. LOL! Oh and I don't "hate" something, I don't believe in.
I agree with government not observing Easter, but "Christmas" or the "winter holiday season", is a winter celebration that is a commercial holiday[s] that is only a religious thing to some.
The Christians borrowed the holiday "Christmas" from pagans, who called it Yule, as a time to celebrate the winter solstice. Since "pagan" means anything and everything not christian, it's not a religious celebration, but a holiday that was hijacked by Christians to influence pagans or non-believers.
-D-
P.S. Are you a lobbyist? If not, then it appears you are a zombie too. LOL! Oh and I don't "hate" something, I don't believe in.
HIGHDESERTCPL22,
You never stated why we "should not" legalize pot. Do tell. Oh and here is a little fact for you.
"On 29 September 2006, the House and Senate approved the Military Commissions Act of 2006 (MCA), a bill that would suspend habeas corpus for any person determined to be an
You never stated why we "should not" legalize pot. Do tell. Oh and here is a little fact for you.
"On 29 September 2006, the House and Senate approved the Military Commissions Act of 2006 (MCA), a bill that would suspend habeas corpus for any person determined to be an
We don't drink or do drugs user are loser,,
my oldest sister never figure that out till it was to late..
all her life she was allways with guys that did some kind of drugs
or alchol and this is where it got her,,
IAM 45 AND THIS IS WHAT I HAVE SEEN WHEN
IT CAME TO DRUGS & ALCHOL
and to the girls if your man is beating on you get out of it
RUN
http://daytonaphotography.com/crystal.htm
Alton & Kristy
my oldest sister never figure that out till it was to late..
all her life she was allways with guys that did some kind of drugs
or alchol and this is where it got her,,
IAM 45 AND THIS IS WHAT I HAVE SEEN WHEN
IT CAME TO DRUGS & ALCHOL
and to the girls if your man is beating on you get out of it
RUN
http://daytonaphotography.com/crystal.htm
Alton & Kristy
KRISTYLYNN,
Anything can be abused. Should we outlaw food because someone eats until they way 500 lbs and die slowly? Perhaps only the certain foods that are not healthy? Should we fault the food if someone decide to go from eating sensibly to eating like a glutton or do we fault the person?
Sorry for you loss, but I don't think the substance was the issue. Abstaining from it yourself is your choice, I ask to make the choice for myself. After all, that's what liberty means. Again, my condolences, but I don't see the justification you do, in regard to outlawing it. I will never think it's ok for anyone to make decisions for me.
-D-
Anything can be abused. Should we outlaw food because someone eats until they way 500 lbs and die slowly? Perhaps only the certain foods that are not healthy? Should we fault the food if someone decide to go from eating sensibly to eating like a glutton or do we fault the person?
Sorry for you loss, but I don't think the substance was the issue. Abstaining from it yourself is your choice, I ask to make the choice for myself. After all, that's what liberty means. Again, my condolences, but I don't see the justification you do, in regard to outlawing it. I will never think it's ok for anyone to make decisions for me.
-D-
My fellow countrymen and women, I would legalize marijuana and this is how.Any politician with this would get my vote and my money.
First thing the government wants is money. With that said let's promote these principles for our argument.
1. Go to your local law enforcement office and pay your registration fee say $75.00 for an endorsement on your license. This entitles you the citizen to carry up to one ounce on your person or personal mode of transportation.
2. If you would like to grow your own >> pay a small fee to get an allotment stamp like they do for growing tobacco. This would entitle you to grow a small portion of your weed. No not to mass produce to sell. But, maybe no more than 20 plants in various stages of growth.
3. The money made from these fees could be used to go after the ones who make meth, sell crack and heroin.
We have as a country put way to many people in jail for these simple offenses and often let harder criminals slip thru the cracks. I have NEVER known a pot smoker to hold up a liquor store or kill somebody to get some weed or money for it. Hell, you'll just jones till your buddy can score.
The idea that pot is a gateway drug is propaganda from the pharmaceuticals because they want to control it. We allow the damn DARE program into the fifth grade. Way to go we have the law going into a classroom teaching our children what it takes to make meth and what it takes to smoke some crack.
There are kids across the country having sex at ten and eleven years old. Maybe we can just skip parenting altogether and let the government continue to fuck our kids up.
Sorry, turned this into a rant but it pisses me off to no end.
First thing the government wants is money. With that said let's promote these principles for our argument.
1. Go to your local law enforcement office and pay your registration fee say $75.00 for an endorsement on your license. This entitles you the citizen to carry up to one ounce on your person or personal mode of transportation.
2. If you would like to grow your own >> pay a small fee to get an allotment stamp like they do for growing tobacco. This would entitle you to grow a small portion of your weed. No not to mass produce to sell. But, maybe no more than 20 plants in various stages of growth.
3. The money made from these fees could be used to go after the ones who make meth, sell crack and heroin.
We have as a country put way to many people in jail for these simple offenses and often let harder criminals slip thru the cracks. I have NEVER known a pot smoker to hold up a liquor store or kill somebody to get some weed or money for it. Hell, you'll just jones till your buddy can score.
The idea that pot is a gateway drug is propaganda from the pharmaceuticals because they want to control it. We allow the damn DARE program into the fifth grade. Way to go we have the law going into a classroom teaching our children what it takes to make meth and what it takes to smoke some crack.
There are kids across the country having sex at ten and eleven years old. Maybe we can just skip parenting altogether and let the government continue to fuck our kids up.
Sorry, turned this into a rant but it pisses me off to no end.
Loved_Naked,
Diese Diskussion ben
Diese Diskussion ben
Oh YEa great ideas guys Hey you know while we are cutting down on crime and resources spend on incarcerating non violent offenders and increasing the GDP we should take a look at legalizing blow and smack. THe kids would love it and we wouldn't be wasting billions getting it off the streets. Also we would cut Workman's Comp cost because we would have less works. I have read every response to this thread and I have come to one simple conclusion......... You guys are retarded! I mean seriously can you guys even function is todays society?
Jesus man you are high right now aren't you? I hope you don't have children or ever have the chance to interact with them. Jesus man! Did you listen to half of a Keith Olbermann report last year and decide you had all the info you needed to start spitting out your worthless banter? God pray for us all with folks like these running around!
Posted By: 4SENSUALTIMES Reply posted on:
Dec 23, 2007 - 2:23 am
"Our government has suspended habeas corpus. They can now seize anyone, anywhere in the world, including you. They are also claiming the right to torture people. Not just because they are terrorists, but because they 'might' be terrorists. This also includes you. They are also collecting voice, email and fax data on almost everyone in the country, without a warrant.
no habeas corpus
no due process
no guarantee of privacy
no guarantee of humane treatment
It would seem to me, that if there is no constitution, no bill of rights, and no rule of law. Then there is no legitimate government.
Therefore, pot is already legal. Those who go to jail for it are political prisoners of a corrupt system, not criminals.
You don't have to smoke pot or even break the law to get yourself electrocuted by thugs in blue polyester suits. Just refuse to submit to their 'authority'."
Posted By: 4SENSUALTIMES Reply posted on:
Dec 23, 2007 - 2:23 am
"Our government has suspended habeas corpus. They can now seize anyone, anywhere in the world, including you. They are also claiming the right to torture people. Not just because they are terrorists, but because they 'might' be terrorists. This also includes you. They are also collecting voice, email and fax data on almost everyone in the country, without a warrant.
no habeas corpus
no due process
no guarantee of privacy
no guarantee of humane treatment
It would seem to me, that if there is no constitution, no bill of rights, and no rule of law. Then there is no legitimate government.
Therefore, pot is already legal. Those who go to jail for it are political prisoners of a corrupt system, not criminals.
You don't have to smoke pot or even break the law to get yourself electrocuted by thugs in blue polyester suits. Just refuse to submit to their 'authority'."
COUPLE4FUN2821,
Instead of blasting everyone and calling them retards, try explaining why you don't think legalizing marijuana is a good idea. Alcohol is legal and it's not causing the fall of mankind as you suggest legalizing dope will.
What people like you fail to realize is that all of it is already available to the children. Using children as in excuse is fucking retarded. You've been spoon-fed propaganda regarding drugs and now you are arguing something you can't even justify except to call people retards for wanting to make something legal that has no place being illegal.
Yes, Meth Heroine, LSD, Cocaine, and many illicit drugs are not good for you. Neither is Tobacco, Alcohol, guns, junk food, racing cars, parachuting etc. All of these activities can put you and children in danger. Do you think kids can't get drugs because they're illegal????
The truth is, the war on drugs is a lost fuckin cause. We the tax payers pay the government billions to fight an unwinnable war and for what???? So that we can lock up people that are going to do the shit regardless. Be fuckin real.
-D-
Instead of blasting everyone and calling them retards, try explaining why you don't think legalizing marijuana is a good idea. Alcohol is legal and it's not causing the fall of mankind as you suggest legalizing dope will.
What people like you fail to realize is that all of it is already available to the children. Using children as in excuse is fucking retarded. You've been spoon-fed propaganda regarding drugs and now you are arguing something you can't even justify except to call people retards for wanting to make something legal that has no place being illegal.
Yes, Meth Heroine, LSD, Cocaine, and many illicit drugs are not good for you. Neither is Tobacco, Alcohol, guns, junk food, racing cars, parachuting etc. All of these activities can put you and children in danger. Do you think kids can't get drugs because they're illegal????
The truth is, the war on drugs is a lost fuckin cause. We the tax payers pay the government billions to fight an unwinnable war and for what???? So that we can lock up people that are going to do the shit regardless. Be fuckin real.
-D-
Why is it we have to do drugs and drink to have a good time?
Theres not enough people in the world who think it should be legalized.
If you get high, to avoid problems... you come down and the problems are still there
Then we use it to blame things we have done bad on. Quote " I beat her to death
because I was high, god I'm so sorry". We use it as an excuse to go to A.A. and drug rehab.
To me it's all a cop out... It's like "Im bi polar so I couldn't help myself."
And my back hurts so I have to take LoraTabs... "She won't remember I slip her a rufee".
It's funny we can go out and have a good time with out doing any kind of drugs
or alchcol we call it a natural high...
And about the cop placing the guy under arrest, he refused to sign the ticket...
He refused to follow orders.... Driving is a privilege not a right....
Any traffic violation you get.. you can be subject to arrest.....
The guy could have been walking back to his car to get a gun, The officer doesn't
know what he doing... He could have been trying to flee....
Anything could have happen
My Father was a cop 35 years Anything and everything could happen in a traffic stop....
One thing to remember , he has a badge you don't...
regardless if you are right or wrong, you do what the officer says to the letter..
Then you get a lawyer and fight it if you believe he is wrong.
Just think of what the world would be without police...
alton & kristylynn
Theres not enough people in the world who think it should be legalized.
If you get high, to avoid problems... you come down and the problems are still there
Then we use it to blame things we have done bad on. Quote " I beat her to death
because I was high, god I'm so sorry". We use it as an excuse to go to A.A. and drug rehab.
To me it's all a cop out... It's like "Im bi polar so I couldn't help myself."
And my back hurts so I have to take LoraTabs... "She won't remember I slip her a rufee".
It's funny we can go out and have a good time with out doing any kind of drugs
or alchcol we call it a natural high...
And about the cop placing the guy under arrest, he refused to sign the ticket...
He refused to follow orders.... Driving is a privilege not a right....
Any traffic violation you get.. you can be subject to arrest.....
The guy could have been walking back to his car to get a gun, The officer doesn't
know what he doing... He could have been trying to flee....
Anything could have happen
My Father was a cop 35 years Anything and everything could happen in a traffic stop....
One thing to remember , he has a badge you don't...
regardless if you are right or wrong, you do what the officer says to the letter..
Then you get a lawyer and fight it if you believe he is wrong.
Just think of what the world would be without police...
alton & kristylynn
KRISTYLYNN2002, because it causes euphoria. You have a receptor in your brain that reacts to THC. This means it's something man has been doing for a long assed time. The truth is, it feels good, that's why. If I want to roll a plant up and smoke it to giggle, that's up to me. As a free American Adult, I should be able to. How is affecting you, if I partake of marijuana in the privacy of my own home?
-D-
-D-
OK.........some of you people are really starting to worry me.........comparing pot to other substances like cocaine, meth, heroin.........i have been a state certified EMT for about 8 years (emergency medical tech)..have raised 4 kids...2 of mine....(from previous marrige) have 2 grand kids.....my wifes kids.......one just graduated with honors....the other on scholar ship in colorado........i am pushing 50.....and yes.....oh my god...i smoke pot.....i am president of my local firhouse...........am a respected member of the community......own a bussiness......and have one hell of a stock portfolio to fall back on............i have never in all my years as a EMT been to a domestic violence call that the wife said..."i dont know what i did...he smoked a joint and attaked me".....never been to a fatal traffic accident that we found a ashtray full of roaches......and never one......not a single ONE call that was caused by the killer weed...........the number one cause in all...yes all of these cases.........alcohol.........not that i would want to ban alcohol....after all like the song says...."liqur is quicker"......pot is the least of our worries......leaglize it.......there would go the national dept.......ramifications......hmmmmmm.......let me think on that one and get back to ya.....found my papers and going to ponder the rest of my response.......
i have been a state certified EMT for about 8 years (emergency medical tech)..oh my god...i smoke pot.....
you see this is what worries me lol
if i am in a life or death situtation will the E M T
that arrives i hope he is not stoned LOL
alton & kristy
you see this is what worries me lol
if i am in a life or death situtation will the E M T
that arrives i hope he is not stoned LOL
alton & kristy
I WOULD NEVER I REPEAT NEVER GO TO WORK UNDER THE INFLUENCE EVER
but the next morning i will assure you i will be MUCH more responsive than my partner who is still hung over from that bottle of rum.......just and REAL LIFE observation..........
but the next morning i will assure you i will be MUCH more responsive than my partner who is still hung over from that bottle of rum.......just and REAL LIFE observation..........
I hope not lol
a & k
a & k
i promise.....NEVER....
Yeah all EMT's don't drink either. LOL! Come on that rationale doesn't work. The ends justifies the means. LEGALIZE IT!
-D-
-D-
my point.....and trust me.....going on a call with a partner who is hung over is no easy task.....especially on a good traffic accident........those precious moments wasted as he or she vomits behind the rescue........let me see....as a pot smoker.....i think i have done that how many times.........hmmmmmmmmmm.........ZERO..........bur i am nasty drug user......bad person i am.......bad
lol
i'm done....it's late and I have to finish packing....we are off to a resort/spa to spend christmas....since our kids are in rome for the holidays........but damn.....i smoke pot and life should not be so good......i am a loser...........suprise........wake up.......life is good and i am living my dreams......how about the rest of you?......are ya truley happy..........i know i can say without a doubt.......the wifey and I.....we have it good.......merry christmas all.....and may the new year find you with friends and family....and love in your hearts.....PEACE
Later bro. Look forward to more input. Though I think your stance is clear LOL! Oh and though we don't agree, I also feel the same about your input Kristylynn. Just because we disagree doesn't mean we can't be civilized. You fuckers! LOL!
U 2 TR
yea i think we have entertain people enough so we r out of here
later TR
lololololol
a & k
yea i think we have entertain people enough so we r out of here
later TR
lololololol
a & k
Night Guys. Happy Holidays.
Sincerely,
-D-
Sincerely,
-D-
huggs and kisses all..........have a great time this week.....i know we will be......i will be in chat from our room overlooking the lake......in the hot tub on our private balcony.........and for a bad drug user.....i think thats pretty fucking kool......PEACE all.....and all the best
Merry Christmas all
HELL NO! I can't stand POTHEADS. If you've worked with enough of them you would know what Low lifes they are.
Not to mention how unbelievably Suggestive smoking Weed makes people. If you want a country full of mindless Douchbag TOOLS, then go ahead legalize it. But you'ld be making a huge mistake.
Kristylynn -
BIG difference between mental illness (e.g. Bipolar) and drug addiction.
You make a choice to take drugs.
You do NOT make a choice to be mentally ill.
What you choose to do with yourself - with either problem - after the fact is up to the individual. But please don't blur the lines between a choice and a disease in which you were never given a choice.
Have a great holiday.
-K_T
BIG difference between mental illness (e.g. Bipolar) and drug addiction.
You make a choice to take drugs.
You do NOT make a choice to be mentally ill.
What you choose to do with yourself - with either problem - after the fact is up to the individual. But please don't blur the lines between a choice and a disease in which you were never given a choice.
Have a great holiday.
-K_T
SWINGTIDE, Very interesting points. However, I see them as a reason to stiffen the control on use and not on legalization. It doesn't compound the problem, when most of those that would smoke pot, already smoke it. It's already happening.
The truth is that we <u>do</u> need to crack down on DUI. If weed were legalized, It fall in with alcohol and should be sunject to the law that governs it. So I would like to say that I totally agree with you there.
I think if we take control of the market and take it out of the hands of those that would regulary sell it to children and some of those that would commit violent acts, like murder, while smuggling and illegally dealing it. Many of those that grow it, are also involved in illegal weapons. Again look at the prohibition of alcohol. It makes more sense to control it governmentally than to try and stop it all together. It's in possible. My way will greatly reduce the problems and generate money for the nation as a whole and citizens cultivating it. The pros far outweigh the cons.
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JUSTIN68,
Bro, be smart about this. Those that would smoke weed if it were legal, already do. Your logic applies to alcohol as well. I don't see a country full of drunken lushes. Think.
-D-
The truth is that we <u>do</u> need to crack down on DUI. If weed were legalized, It fall in with alcohol and should be sunject to the law that governs it. So I would like to say that I totally agree with you there.
I think if we take control of the market and take it out of the hands of those that would regulary sell it to children and some of those that would commit violent acts, like murder, while smuggling and illegally dealing it. Many of those that grow it, are also involved in illegal weapons. Again look at the prohibition of alcohol. It makes more sense to control it governmentally than to try and stop it all together. It's in possible. My way will greatly reduce the problems and generate money for the nation as a whole and citizens cultivating it. The pros far outweigh the cons.
<hr>
JUSTIN68,
Bro, be smart about this. Those that would smoke weed if it were legal, already do. Your logic applies to alcohol as well. I don't see a country full of drunken lushes. Think.
-D-
we would have nothing againest it
Well lets see here MS. T- Rose
How about you sharing a joint with pilot the next time you fly some place, Then ask yourself if its Ok to legalize and use weed as your ripping down the run way??
As for the Highway Patrolman---- Good job we need more on the Streets like him.
Was you there to know just went on? do you know for a fact thet he did or didnt have a weapon in the car? So he got his little nerve endings a little rattled, big deal he will live, bottom line other than him who cares????
How about you sharing a joint with pilot the next time you fly some place, Then ask yourself if its Ok to legalize and use weed as your ripping down the run way??
As for the Highway Patrolman---- Good job we need more on the Streets like him.
Was you there to know just went on? do you know for a fact thet he did or didnt have a weapon in the car? So he got his little nerve endings a little rattled, big deal he will live, bottom line other than him who cares????
Your rationale applies to alcohol as well. That is absolutely not an argument. I too am against DUI. DUI's happen whether legalization occurs or not. So by your logic, we should make alcohol illegal and driving a car. After all there are those irresponsible idiots that drive wrecklessly to impress their friends and let's not forget about racing. Let's punish everyone for what the few retards do. Let's make liquor illegal because <u>some</u> pilots show up drunk for work.
You wrote:
<i>"Was you there to know just went on? do you know for a fact thet he did or didnt have a weapon in the car? So he got his little nerve endings a little rattled, big deal he will live, bottom line other than him who cares????"</i>
<u>WERE</u> YOU THERE? As far as the officer is concerned, I hope the next time you are pulled over, the officer tases you for speeding. The officer did not see a gun. I've read the entire story. The officer escalated the situation by talking with his <b>boss</b> (the citizen) with a condescending tone, then preceded to draw his taser when the man was clearly trying to explain something regarding the speed limit sign. He then tased the man when he could have clearly used a calm disposition to explain to the motorist how the law works. After all, it's his fucking job.
-D-
P.S. This is The Don, not mistress Rose.
You wrote:
<i>"Was you there to know just went on? do you know for a fact thet he did or didnt have a weapon in the car? So he got his little nerve endings a little rattled, big deal he will live, bottom line other than him who cares????"</i>
<u>WERE</u> YOU THERE? As far as the officer is concerned, I hope the next time you are pulled over, the officer tases you for speeding. The officer did not see a gun. I've read the entire story. The officer escalated the situation by talking with his <b>boss</b> (the citizen) with a condescending tone, then preceded to draw his taser when the man was clearly trying to explain something regarding the speed limit sign. He then tased the man when he could have clearly used a calm disposition to explain to the motorist how the law works. After all, it's his fucking job.
-D-
P.S. This is The Don, not mistress Rose.
nobody is advocating smoking pot while on the job just like no one advocates drinking on the job.but given a choice i would rather have the pilot smoke a joint than be drunk.
ever since tasers have come out the police have gotten to be rely on them instead of themselves.I don't know what the police did before them.must have let a lot of people go.to me that video makes that cop look like a coward and sissy.he should turn his badge in himself but oh well I know he won't.I just hope if I'm ever in utah and need a police officer for help that he doesn't show up,unless of course i want some one tasered or maybe shot.
ever since tasers have come out the police have gotten to be rely on them instead of themselves.I don't know what the police did before them.must have let a lot of people go.to me that video makes that cop look like a coward and sissy.he should turn his badge in himself but oh well I know he won't.I just hope if I'm ever in utah and need a police officer for help that he doesn't show up,unless of course i want some one tasered or maybe shot.
Highway,
Agreed. It's just like pepper spraying everyone that verbally disagrees with why they are being arrested. The taser is just two steps below the handgun on the use of force continuum.
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The officer never even tried to put hands on. He immediately drew is taser, even though the young man didn't even exhibit any aggression or give a reason that the officer should feel the need to draw the weapon.
-D-
Agreed. It's just like pepper spraying everyone that verbally disagrees with why they are being arrested. The taser is just two steps below the handgun on the use of force continuum.
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The officer never even tried to put hands on. He immediately drew is taser, even though the young man didn't even exhibit any aggression or give a reason that the officer should feel the need to draw the weapon.
-D-
I could care less if you smoke pot,smoke crack who cares as long as you are in your own
house and not hurting anyone.....
IF YOU GOT IT SMOKE IT (FUCK WHAT PEOPLE THINK ITS YOUR LIFE)
house and not hurting anyone.....
IF YOU GOT IT SMOKE IT (FUCK WHAT PEOPLE THINK ITS YOUR LIFE)
I think you should be able to do it where ever drinking is allowed.
-D-
-D-
Ahahaha facetiousness is one of your virtues, GOODGENES.
-D-
-D-
It should be freely available to anyone who takes a notion to grow it. The way I see it the alcohol giants are controlling the revenue and dictating what is done. I personally feel much better with a bit of bud and worse with intoxication by alcohol. It all makes sense in that the natural is better and I feel that it does help blood pressure, anxiety, appetite (lol), pain of disease and a host of other symptoms.
Think of all of the tax dollars being used to build prisons for DUI and pot sellers/users. Here's money that could be used for a national health care system. If pot were legal, how many perscriptions would be needed?? Another thing that money is going for that in my opinion is a waste as well.
I could go on and on but I think I have made my point, I would rather go to a mellow party any day.
There should be no question, it should be ok to do or have, period.
Note: If you can check out comedian Bill Hicks and what he has to say about it.
Have a nice time over the holidays all.
Think of all of the tax dollars being used to build prisons for DUI and pot sellers/users. Here's money that could be used for a national health care system. If pot were legal, how many perscriptions would be needed?? Another thing that money is going for that in my opinion is a waste as well.
I could go on and on but I think I have made my point, I would rather go to a mellow party any day.
There should be no question, it should be ok to do or have, period.
Note: If you can check out comedian Bill Hicks and what he has to say about it.
Have a nice time over the holidays all.
Yes
Oh by the way, YES! LOL
Puff puff pass!
VP, what if some people want to experience it though. Shouldn't that be their liberty to do so?
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PUFF PUFF PASS
Of course you two are Pacific Northwesterners. LOL!
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"The Oregonian"
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"The Oregonian"
i guess when they say DD Free, that means most of you are out lol
thats funny most of you have that on your profile,,
kristy
thats funny most of you have that on your profile,,
kristy
Who?
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One of many reasons why Obama get's my vote:
Marijuana is a "moral issue", with those that oppose it. Just another sad excuse by zealots to try and unconstitutionally dictate everyone's lives with their dogma.
-D-
POT isn't LEGAL?
Damn hide that bag, get rid of those pipe, and for F-U-C-K sake don't inhale anything within a quarter mile of my house, because I HAVE THE KIND!
Oh yeah I am for it being LEGAL!
Good reading for those who want to know more about why it is illegal now, The Emporior wears no clothes, best book out there, it is the bible for pot heads!
420 to all, and to all a HIGH night!
Wayne & Stephanie
Damn hide that bag, get rid of those pipe, and for F-U-C-K sake don't inhale anything within a quarter mile of my house, because I HAVE THE KIND!
Oh yeah I am for it being LEGAL!
Good reading for those who want to know more about why it is illegal now, The Emporior wears no clothes, best book out there, it is the bible for pot heads!
420 to all, and to all a HIGH night!
Wayne & Stephanie
LET'S SIGN A PETITION AND GET IT ON A BALLOT AGAIN!
I am for legalization and regulation of Marijuana. Prohibition is ridiculous. I think the "who, when and where" should be regulated by the law to protect the public (drivers, pedestrians etc), especially those people that do not wish to inhale it. Other than that, people should have the right to choose whether to consume it. It <u>is not</u> physically addictive and even if it were, It would not be up to the government to decide whether you choose to be addicted. Like cigarettes and Alcohol, you should be able to choose.
If you allow the government to make all your choices for you, I believe it's called oppression and falls under tyranny as well. I say if you can drink alcohol, you should be able to smoke pot. I don't need someone else making that decision for me.
-Don-
If you allow the government to make all your choices for you, I believe it's called oppression and falls under tyranny as well. I say if you can drink alcohol, you should be able to smoke pot. I don't need someone else making that decision for me.
-Don-
A good start would be to at least decriminalize it immediately, let folks grow their own for their own use, then get and keep those jails emptied out and stop giving corporate contract prison companies so much of our tax dollars. These companies are another strong force behind keeping it illegal since the crime rate would definitely take a huge dive upon legalization (leading to empty prisons). However, I believe the crime rate would go up again just in a different sector - white collar. Corporate America has some of the most notorious criminals ever known to man, they're just much richer, smarter and better at disguising it.
Here's a good laugh for ya to keep it light...
http://blog.norml.org/2008/03/31/president-george-w-bush-announces-amnesty-for-all-marijuana-prisoners/
and one thats no so funny or light...
http://www.hr95.org/hr95faces.html
I am however, concerned about the taxation and government control of the sweet leaf if legalized. As a matter fact I'm actually quite surprised they haven't already figured out that part of the possible revenue scheme. I wouldn't be a bit surprised either if they haven't already done feasibility and profitability studies on this. But I think they take into consideration the job losses and subsequent related revenue losses of the corporations that supply the DEA. Can someone find the amount of tax dollars we pay to the DEA every year?
In the end I believe it should be legalized.
Now I need to get back to my original gateway drug - CHOCOLATE!
Here's a good laugh for ya to keep it light...
http://blog.norml.org/2008/03/31/president-george-w-bush-announces-amnesty-for-all-marijuana-prisoners/
and one thats no so funny or light...
http://www.hr95.org/hr95faces.html
I am however, concerned about the taxation and government control of the sweet leaf if legalized. As a matter fact I'm actually quite surprised they haven't already figured out that part of the possible revenue scheme. I wouldn't be a bit surprised either if they haven't already done feasibility and profitability studies on this. But I think they take into consideration the job losses and subsequent related revenue losses of the corporations that supply the DEA. Can someone find the amount of tax dollars we pay to the DEA every year?
In the end I believe it should be legalized.
Now I need to get back to my original gateway drug - CHOCOLATE!
Jeff,
You answered your own question in your post. Your family member became addicted regardless of it's legality. Most people just don't see that if you make a substance illegal, you are just putting the control of it in the hands of the criminal. The prohibition of alcohol proved that one. If you legalize it, tax and regulate it, you will get rid of much of the problem.
Besides, marijuana doesn't even fit in with those other drugs. If anything, alcohol does. Are you saying we should also prohibit alcohol??? After all, it's addictive, it causes horrible health issues when taken in excess. It impairs your judgement and perception severely. It can cause a person to become violent. None of these problems apply to Marijuana. You have a stronger case against alcohol than you do weed.
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You answered your own question in your post. Your family member became addicted regardless of it's legality. Most people just don't see that if you make a substance illegal, you are just putting the control of it in the hands of the criminal. The prohibition of alcohol proved that one. If you legalize it, tax and regulate it, you will get rid of much of the problem.
Besides, marijuana doesn't even fit in with those other drugs. If anything, alcohol does. Are you saying we should also prohibit alcohol??? After all, it's addictive, it causes horrible health issues when taken in excess. It impairs your judgement and perception severely. It can cause a person to become violent. None of these problems apply to Marijuana. You have a stronger case against alcohol than you do weed.
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something we agree on Don...Yes this should be legal without a doubt.
Yes, we would legalize it! We don't do it because it is illegal but if they ever do legalize it we are taking the day off! Have a great holiday weekend all.
R&S
R&S
" Naturally, the common people don't want war, but after all it is the leaders of the country who determine the policy and it is allways a simple matter to drag people along....
Voice or no voice, the people can can allways be brought to the bidding of the leaders. This is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of Patriotism and for exposing the country to danger, it works the same for EVERYTHING in EVERY COUNRTY.......
Wise words from a VERY BAD MAN, who would know... Herman Goering, Hitlers right hand man
Voice or no voice, the people can can allways be brought to the bidding of the leaders. This is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of Patriotism and for exposing the country to danger, it works the same for EVERYTHING in EVERY COUNRTY.......
Wise words from a VERY BAD MAN, who would know... Herman Goering, Hitlers right hand man
Jeff,
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"The best governance is self-governance . . . unfortunately we
you wrote:
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"Prohibition...goes beyond the bounds of reason in that it
attempts to control a man's appetite by legislation and
makes a crime out of things that are not crimes. A
prohibition law strikes a blow at the very principles upon
which our government was founded."
-- Abraham Lincoln, December, 1840
attempts to control a man's appetite by legislation and
makes a crime out of things that are not crimes. A
prohibition law strikes a blow at the very principles upon
which our government was founded."
-- Abraham Lincoln, December, 1840
pot should not be legalized, i started smoking it in the 5th grade in the 7th grade i smoked it morning noon and night, i quite when i was 21, it took 3 months for me to feel normal then i realized how fucked up i had become. i dont wish that for any kid
but iam writting this because i HATE cops, as for that cop that tazered that kid. i would love to beat him to near death.
pitdaddy
but iam writting this because i HATE cops, as for that cop that tazered that kid. i would love to beat him to near death.
pitdaddy
PITDADDY,
Your personal experience should not bar marijuana. There are plenty of stories just as bad from alcohol or worse. Should we also ban alcohol??? This kind of thing will happen regardless of it's legality. It happen to you didn't it?
-D-
Your personal experience should not bar marijuana. There are plenty of stories just as bad from alcohol or worse. Should we also ban alcohol??? This kind of thing will happen regardless of it's legality. It happen to you didn't it?
-D-
alcohol is some bad shit and makes people do some stupid things, but i still wouldnt want to see kids smoking the killer indica. maybe it would be okay to smoke some leaves or bunk mexican weed i guess.
That is you're own personal experience. That is the point of liberty. Choosing for yourself. Having the freedom to make those choices. I don't want every aspect of my life controlled. If people want that they should move to Iraq and see that it's illegal to consume alcohol, to eat pork, practice another religion besides Islam. I want the freedom to decide. All the bad shit happens regardless of whether it's legal or not. I want the decision. I don't need someone else telling me what's best for me. People will have bad experiences and fuck up. That's life. I am not going to sacrifice all my freedom to control every dumb ass in the world. I will not pay, with my liberty, for their stupidity or inability to control themselves. Let the folly and consequences of their ways, be their punishment.
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-D-
i agree with that the government is trying to take away our rights that our founding fathers fought and died for and the sad thing is people are volanterally giving them up. what about herion should that be legal too?
Think of it this way. Heroin, should be be illegal to manafacture and distribute, unless you are a doctor. Heroin is just a unrefined form of Morphine. The reasons why heroin, meth & cocaine are a Schedule 1 drugs are apparent. They are highly physically addictive and take away some people's ability to quit without outside intervention. They can also kill you if administered in the wrong dose, cut and potency etc. which, by the way, is often not even know by the user. They also <u>often</u> lead to other crimes to keep the habit going. Theft, robbery, burglary, murder etc. Any drug that has a high potential of causing someone death or dependency beyond their ability to quit cold turkey should be controlled. The key is regulation and control not prohibition.
Holland actually has shooting galleries for their addicts. It is not illegal to posess or use heroin in these facilities. They even provide clean needles for them. This helps prevent the spread of disease, cleans up the streets and they have more resources to go after the dealers.
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Holland actually has shooting galleries for their addicts. It is not illegal to posess or use heroin in these facilities. They even provide clean needles for them. This helps prevent the spread of disease, cleans up the streets and they have more resources to go after the dealers.
-D-
HAHAHA!! Good one bro. Long time no see.
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Legalize it - but for God's sake have some independent organization (ie: longtime smokers and growers?) be in control of the standards - our government would fuck up the quality and reduce it to a smokable version of Pabst Blue Ribbon
Yes, and would have rules enforced similiar to that of alchoal.