We waited out the worst of the pandemic without any play. When the vaccine came we got our shots, and assumed we were good to go. Now it appears that with waning immunity and breakthrough cases, we are starting to think about our partners' vaccine status. What do you all do?
For me it does deserve some serious thought ... and perhaps inquire with possible play pantners as to how serious they take this virus and what precautions they exercise???
This IS a bit of a conundrum. Personally, we're probably going to get the booster (for far more reasons than just swinging) when it's offered and, at least for the time being, continue to wear our masks when in public places and limit our exposure to crowds and certain other situations. But we do have a VERY small "bubble" of close friends that we've tried to keep in contact with that we feel relatively safe mingling with. 
We haven't yet ventured out to play since the pandemic began, and we began to behave monogamously. We've both been vaccinated. We are more concerned about the health and safety of our non-vaccinated grandchildren, than we are that either of us will become seriously ill. So, we are remaining monogamous so far, and limiting our social circle. We would consider playing with the right sort of people, in the right circumstances, after a bit of mutual vetting. Hey, you can buy same day COVID test, 2 for $23.00 at Smiths. We are not interested in playing with people, who have not been vaccinated.
EVILDOERS wrote:
This IS a bit of a conundrum. Personally, we're probably going to get the booster (for far more reasons than just swinging) when it's offered and, at least for the time being, continue to wear our masks when in public places and limit our exposure to crowds and certain other situations. But we do have a VERY small "bubble" of close friends that we've tried to keep in contact with that we feel relatively safe mingling with.
Care to expand your bubble? We don't take up much space.
JULESVERNE wrote:EVILDOERS wrote:
This IS a bit of a conundrum. Personally, we're probably going to get the booster (for far more reasons than just swinging) when it's offered and, at least for the time being, continue to wear our masks when in public places and limit our exposure to crowds and certain other situations. But we do have a VERY small "bubble" of close friends that we've tried to keep in contact with that we feel relatively safe mingling with.
Care to expand your bubble? We don't take up much space.
Evil.
Does it help if I play the Ukulele?
Does it help if I play the Ukulele?
We have both been vaccinated and will likely get the booster when it is offered. It's been a long time since we've been with another couple (or single for that matter) and COVID has been a part of the consideration, but not the only consideration. I suppose that we should probably have that conversation with potential partners when the time comes.
We have a strict no Trump supporters rule so that pretty much takes care of any concern.
Vaccine does not stop you from getting covid. In fact to us it gives a false sense of security. We don't care whether you have or have not had the vaccine. We understand some do.
Skicouple801 wrote:
We have a strict no Trump supporters rule so that pretty much takes care of any concern.
“It helps prevent you DYING from Covid. Which I think most people that get the shots are grateful for.
Misinformation out there leads to a lot of people believing they’re invincible or that Covid isn’t that bad. Those are the ones that are now the majority of hospitalizations and deaths.
A seatbelt can also give you a false sense of security, but we’re not the ones that will be ejected from our vehicles in an accident. No thank you. There are a lot of arguments to be made around the vaccines, but few of them are intelligent ones in our opinion.
We are vaccinated, and will get boosters. We want to continue living in this pandemic that far too many don’t take seriously. This isn’t political, it’s survival.”
Both posts pretty much spot on. We concur.
Starlights wrote:3kisses0506 wrote:
Vaccine does not stop you from getting covid. In fact to us it gives a false sense of security. We don't care whether you have or have not had the vaccine. We understand some do.
It helps prevent you DYING from Covid. Which I think most people that get the shots are grateful for.
Misinformation out there leads to a lot of people believing they’re invincible or that Covid isn’t that bad. Those are the ones that are now the majority of hospitalizations and deaths.
A seatbelt can also give you a false sense of security, but we’re not the ones that will be ejected from our vehicles in an accident. No thank you. There are a lot of arguments to be made around the vaccines, but few of them are intelligent ones in our opinion.
We are vaccinated, and will get boosters. We want to continue living in this pandemic that far too many don’t take seriously. This isn’t political, it’s survival.
Exactly how we feel!
The question is does your partners vaccination status matter? If you are vaccinated it shouldn’t matter. For us it doesn’t matter if the other people are vaccinated or not. If you are going to get a break through case you are going to get a break through case either way. So the real question is do you continue to isolate or get out and play?
Skicouple801 wrote:
We have a strict no Trump supporters rule so that pretty much takes care of any concern.
😂😂😂
Skicouple801 wrote:
We have a strict no Trump supporters rule so that pretty much takes care of any concern.
We follow the same rule and it applies to every facet of our lives.
Starlights wrote:
We want to have a better chance at life with the vaccine vs. a better chance meeting death without it.
Bingo. No vaccine ever promised 100% immunity, but your outcome if you do become a case will very likely be much better. Somehow this escapes people who think it doesn't matter.
Starlights wrote:Per the CDC the unvaccinated are contagious just as much as the vaccinated. Break through comes from both.Utahldscouple wrote:
The question is do you require play partners to be vaccinated. Does it matter if they are or not. If you’re going to get a break through case you will get it from either.
Unvaccinated people in this pandemic are perpetuating the virus, we have no doubt in that… but we’ve done all we can do. We did our part to survive and to have a relatively normal life again.
We don’t ask people if they’re vaccinated, just like we don’t ask people if they like to breathe. That question at this point in the pandemic is meant to stoke a political conversation, not keep you safe. As you said, if we get it we’re going to get it. Whether it’s from someone at a grocery store, or someone we’re fucking. The difference now (to us) is, we have a suit of armor to HELP protect us, where before we did not.
Whether or not someone is vaccinated or not does not cross my mind when deciding to play wythem or not. I will not ask someone if they have had it. That is their choice and they can carry the virus and infect others whether they have had it or not so I don’t see the point in asking. Unless maybe you are concerned with their political views, which to me should not matter when playing.
Well this is giving us a better idea of who to have sex with and who not to.
Bill Gates just called. He said he was going to take back his chip if I didn't get up off the couch and do something.
This thread is highly entertaining. Even more so with a tiny bit of cannabis on board. If nothing else it reinforces the well-known maxim that humans are TERRIBLE at risk assessment. 
We have had our vaccines in the hope that if we got covid we would not have to be hospitalized or die. We attended Naughty in Nawlins 2 weeks ago because almost 90% of the attendees we’re vaccinated. We attended a party last week where one of the participants was not vaccinated. Ironically 3 days later my wife tested positive. We made everyone we came into contact with aware of it. Even declined a party invite from the girl that was not vaccinated (I think maybe they thought I was bull shitting).
So now my wife and I will not be around anyone till we both have negative test. Our symptoms are similar to a cold although my wife lost her sense of smell. The vaccine has taken the worry out of catching covid and based on our symptoms made it very manageable. We are extremely grateful for its availability and efficacy at preventing serious disease.
So now my wife and I will not be around anyone till we both have negative test. Our symptoms are similar to a cold although my wife lost her sense of smell. The vaccine has taken the worry out of catching covid and based on our symptoms made it very manageable. We are extremely grateful for its availability and efficacy at preventing serious disease.
Skicouple801 wrote:
We have a strict no Trump supporters rule so that pretty much takes care of any concern.
yes and biden is doing a hell of a job,,what a joke he is,,,keep in mind all the americans that are still over seas is Afghanistan 20 thousand or more, now that the Taliban took over in one short weekend thanks to our fearless leader, if any of those Americans die there blood is in the hands of the people who put this incompetent moron in office,,sleep well with that on ur mind
we have no problem with any vaccine we just want to wait till there is more testing, want to be sure about long term affects this may or may not have
Utahldscouple wrote:
Per the CDC the unvaccinated are contagious just as much as the vaccinated. Break through comes from both.
That's not quite accurate. Although a vaccinated person can get a breakthrough infection and be contagious, they are 1) less likely to be infected than an unvaccinated person (by about a factor of 10), and 2) they are contagious for a much shorter period of time (4-5 days, as opposed to 10-14 days). So there is still good reason to choose to play with only vaccinated people.
I wonder how many people would choose to play with someone who has HIV, even with condoms? The covid is one layer of protection (like condoms), but even with that layer of protection, it still makes sense to avoid playing with people who are reckless with their sexual or nonsexual health.
mtnwild1 wrote:SUNRISE wrote:
That's not quite accurate. Although a vaccinated person can get a breakthrough infection and be contagious, they are 1) less likely to be infected than an unvaccinated person (by about a factor of 10), and 2) they are contagious for a much shorter period of time (4-5 days, as opposed to 10-14 days). So there is still good reason to choose to play with only vaccinated people.
I wonder how many people would choose to play with someone who has HIV, even with condoms? The covid is one layer of protection (like condoms), but even with that layer of protection, it still makes sense to avoid playing with people who are reckless with their sexual or nonsexual health.
You do realize AIDS and the Chinese virus are different in the small fact that AIDS never goes away?
You're missing the point. So, let's replace HIV with gonorrhea in Sunrise's example.
mtnwild1 wrote:
You do realize AIDS and the Chinese virus are different in the small fact that AIDS never goes away?
Neither does death.
.001% of breakthrough cases result in death. If you're worried about that, then sex with others probably shouldn't be for you. We never stopped living our lives, got COVID on a trip to Florida in April, isolated, recovered just fine. If vaccination status was a determining factor for someone to play them we're not compatible anyway. I wonder how many that would require a vaccine don't use condoms? Makes no sense. But everyone should do what they feel comfortable with.
Farkeltwins wrote:
Wow, we were under the impression that swingers were smart progressive people but this thread has educated us. It appears that some swingers are racists, knuckle draggers, selfish and just plain stupid. Please keep posting comments as it has been very helpful to us on what we want and don't want!
In our experience, most swingers ARE "smart progressive people" but, alas, we're not a homogenous group. Think of this thread as a sort of 'canary in the coal mine' in that it is not only giving you a heads up but saving you a LOT of time sorting thru a somewhat large group of people to point the way towards those you are most likely to get along with and possibly even eventually want to see naked.
EVILDOERS wrote:
This thread is highly entertaining. Even more so with a tiny bit of cannabis on board. If nothing else it reinforces the well-known maxim that humans are TERRIBLE at risk assessment.
100%
Is it just us or is there a sense that LaysPipe/California is back?
SexyPowSkiers wrote:
Is it just us or is there a sense that LaysPipe/California is back?
It certainly makes one wonder. And if so, he's possibly/probably drunk...again...or still? Or maybe it's not alcohol-fueled at all and he just has severe anger issues. I can't imagine too many people (Well, except for the 50 who apparently write to support him every time someone disagrees with him in the forums.) would want to play hide the weeny with someone who is seemingly so angry all the time. Maybe THAT's the source of the anger.¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Hmcarey62 wrote:
Nothing better than having a full list in one place of people to stay away from.
Right? And I would think that would apply no matter which side of the argument you are on here. Don't know why some people get so incredibly upset when someone disagrees with them. Is this their first day on the internet?
EVILDOERS wrote:Hmcarey62 wrote:
Nothing better than having a full list in one place of people to stay away from.
Right? And I would think that would apply no matter which side of the argument you are on here. Don't know why some people get so incredibly upset when someone disagrees with them. Is this their first day on the internet?
It's not disagreeing that makes people upset. It's that damn fact-logic stuff.
mtnwild1 wrote:
Every time I go against you douches I get 50 messages thanking me. So piss off you fucking race baiters.
Can you post a list of those 50 people, so I can add them to my list of people to avoid?
With all the anti trump statements, I take it there are alot Biden fans here which shows your ignorance and hate for America!
SUNRISE wrote:
Although a vaccinated person can get a breakthrough infection and be contagious, they are 1) less likely to be infected than an unvaccinated person (by about a factor of 10), and 2) they are contagious for a much shorter period of time (4-5 days, as opposed to 10-14 days). So there is still good reason to choose to play with only vaccinated people.
I wonder how many people would choose to play with someone who has HIV, even with condoms? The covid is one layer of protection (like condoms), but even with that layer of protection, it still makes sense to avoid playing with people who are reckless with their sexual or nonsexual health.
I totally agree with this. I'm really sorry that this thread devolved at points into a political mudslinging contest (I don't care what your political position is and mine shouldn't count to anyone either), but I do appreciate the various opinions and positions on how various members feel about asking if their prospective partners have been vaccinated and why. Thanks for that part of the discussion.
Exmos wrote:
Its sad that because people have different opinions. They are labeled as racists/knuckle draggers & libtards instantly. We are not right or left. We fit more as libertarians. We talk with both sides and don't judge people for their beliefs or opinions. We are all human. Try judging people for who THEY actually are. Not who they voted for. Try making other peoples day better regardless of what their political leaning might be. Its actually really rewarding getting to know people and making their day brighter in some way.
We totally agree!
1EZ2 wrote:
With all the anti trump statements, I take it there are alot Biden fans here which shows your ignorance and hate for America!
This is a big part of the problem these days. A president shouldn't have fans, he should have constituents.
Exmos it is indeed sad. We all have to make the decisions that’s best for us regardless of our political leanings. If you decide to be swayed by politics instead of scientific fact with covid, again it’s your choice. With all do respect I will not disparage anyones choices even if I dont agree with them. Those who choose to grandstand or bring politics into the mix really miss the point because in the lifestyle I don’t care about your politics and I don’t want to know them. If I know your politics you may not be as sexy to me. If you have an infectious disease I could catch, I do care. Perhaps with the exception of the very few….no one wants to catch covid. Many dont think they will catch covid and others don’t think they will get sick.
All I can say is good luck to you, hope that works out as good as the vaccine did for me. ;]
All I can say is good luck to you, hope that works out as good as the vaccine did for me. ;]
1EZ2 wrote:
With all the anti trump statements, I take it there are alot Biden fans here which shows your ignorance and hate for America!
biden is what is bad for america
1. border control NONE
2. inflation biden
3. gas doubled biden
4 Israel get attack as soon as biden takes office
5. Afghanistan no need to explane that one
6 kiils 50 thousand plus jobs his 1st day biden
need i go on
Don't even go there with hate for america i was in VN seal teal 6 Cambodia i put my life on the line for this country and i will do it again and again..will u ?
I lost over half of my fellow seal team bro's so who is showing ignorance here..think twice before u make a statement about hating america.
how about this if u voted for this piece of shit, there about 20 thousand plus American still in Afghanistan if any of them die there blood is on ur hands so sleep well
It does make you wonder though...If someone doesn't think masks or vaccines or social distancing work (or that the "plandemic" is even real for that matter) - why would they ever think a condom would work? And if they don't think condoms work, why would they ever use one? All the rhetoric I've heard from the contrarians about masks and vaccines could just as easily be applied to condoms and HIV. It's not even about politics - I just don't see why someone who doesn't believe in vaccines or Covid is going to believe in condoms or HIV. For me, that kind of belief system alone serves as a warning that this person is going to be a much riskier partner than someone who subscribes to science and medical consensus.
Its all about being a personal choice, protect yourself the way u feel is right for you. no one has the right to tell you otherwise
Almost everybody posting here talking like they an expert and have some important knowledge. Y'all only know what that stupid rectangle on your wall told you. Which really means you don't know shit.
FUNSALTLAKECOUPLE wrote:
It does make you wonder though...If someone doesn't think masks or vaccines or social distancing work (or that the "plandemic" is even real for that matter) - why would they ever think a condom would work? And if they don't think condoms work, why would they ever use one? All the rhetoric I've heard from the contrarians about masks and vaccines could just as easily be applied to condoms and HIV. It's not even about politics - I just don't see why someone who doesn't believe in vaccines or Covid is going to believe in condoms or HIV. For me, that kind of belief system alone serves as a warning that this person is going to be a much riskier partner than someone who subscribes to science and medical consensus.
That's a good point. I wonder if they believe HIV is fake or just not that serious (it has a MUCH lower death rate than COVID) or if they believe other STD's are of any concern at all. Would these same people take an mRNA vaccine that would prevent AIDS?
Moderna To Test mRNA HIV Vaccine
EVILDOERS wrote:FUNSALTLAKECOUPLE wrote:
It does make you wonder though...If someone doesn't think masks or vaccines or social distancing work (or that the "plandemic" is even real for that matter) - why would they ever think a condom would work? And if they don't think condoms work, why would they ever use one? All the rhetoric I've heard from the contrarians about masks and vaccines could just as easily be applied to condoms and HIV. It's not even about politics - I just don't see why someone who doesn't believe in vaccines or Covid is going to believe in condoms or HIV. For me, that kind of belief system alone serves as a warning that this person is going to be a much riskier partner than someone who subscribes to science and medical consensus.
That's a good point. I wonder if they believe HIV is fake or just not that serious (it has a MUCH lower death rate than COVID) or if they believe other STD's are of any concern at all. Would these same people take an mRNA vaccine that would prevent AIDS?
Moderna To Test mRNA HIV Vaccine
there is a product out there called prep believe is a daily pill that prevents u from getting hiv
Just because I hate Trump doesn’t mean I like Biden. I hate both of them. I don’t consider myself a democrat or a republican. I consider myself independent because there are things I agree with on both sides. I think anyone who labels themselves a democrat or republican need to learn to think for themselves. The fact people are so obsessed with parties and the president is stupid. Learn to think for yourself and realize the president is just a person.
As a frontline nurse, it is exhausting to keep seeing so much misinformation about COVID. Unfortunately people will go on believing what they want unless they are forced to spend a day in the ICU taking care of patients. I left the hospital last year because of how awful it was. I was only 1 out of over 10 nurses to quit on my unit in just 6 months. My friend in the ED said over 14 nurses left the ER during that 6 months. That is over 24 nurses on just 2 floors of a hospital that has about 20 different units. I now work on home health and I get messages at least weekly from nursing friends in the hospital looking for a way out. I sure hope vaccination status is taken into account if someone needs an ICU bed. Thank you to all of you who take COVID seriously.
SRTall4Fun wrote:
Just because I hate Trump doesn’t mean I like Biden. I hate both of them. I don’t consider myself a democrat or a republican. I consider myself independent because there are things I agree with on both sides. I think anyone who labels themselves a democrat or republican need to learn to think for themselves. The fact people are so obsessed with parties and the president is stupid. Learn to think for yourself and realize the president is just a person.
Yup, unfortunately almost all elections come down to deciding who will do the LEAST shitty job. And I think there's a bit of false equivalency in that you can't buy a "Biden Can Grab My Pussy" t-shirt anywhere on the internet.
UtSkier wrote:
biden is what is bad for america
1. border control NONE
2. inflation biden
3. gas doubled biden
4 Israel get attack as soon as biden takes office
5. Afghanistan no need to explane that one
6 kiils 50 thousand plus jobs his 1st day biden
need i go on
Don't even go there with hate for america i was in VN seal teal 6 Cambodia i put my life on the line for this country and i will do it again and again..will u ?
I lost over half of my fellow seal team bro's so who is showing ignorance here..think twice before u make a statement about hating america.
how about this if u voted for this piece of shit, there about 20 thousand plus American still in Afghanistan if any of them die there blood is on ur hands so sleep well
We are total America haters we donated half of our income to the president of ANTIFAs last year.
😂😂😂 I love that rule!
Starlights wrote:
I don’t think being passionate about politics is sexy. Politics and religion have always been a turnoff outside of the LS, and it’s more so within it.
It’s typically someone spewing venom and hate toward another person that disagrees with their beliefs. How the fuck is that attractive in the LS?
Then it’s bandwagon jumping to one side or the other and forming weird little tribes of hate throwing barbs at each other.
We just want to meet nice people that wanna bang 🤷🏽♂️
If you by chance wanna bang, and don’t mind leaving politics and religion at the door send us a message! We’ll be waiting for your sexiness with excitement, condoms, lube, and maybe a midget or two… because I have found them to be fascinating recently 🧐
We find this post INCREDIBLY insensitive! We believe in the One True Midget (We prefer 'Little Person'.), in his Holy Circus Pony Rainbow Dash, and condoms and lube are our sacraments. Please refrain from casually mentioning things that are sacred and holy to many of us.
If, on the other hand, you are curious about our religion we can send missionaries to your home to convert you from whatever heathen religion you practice. Here are a few of our tenets:
1- Our day of worship is Taco (aka Titty) Tuesday (and sometimes WAP Wednesday) where we imbibe margaritas, nosh tacos, and watch reruns of The Bachelor...while chanting religious phrases and thinking about boobies.
2- The only commandments we have are "Just don't be a cunt/dick.". Pretty easy to remember but apparently not that easy to actually obey for some people.
3- We are STRICTLY forbidden from eating liver & onions, lima beans, Brussels sprouts, Rocky Mountain oysters, and ESPECIALLY from drinking bad coffee.
4- We are only allowed to wear tight and/or revealing clothing that emphasizes our Little Person-given bodies so that others may enjoy the view and lust and desire may arise in their loins.
5- Absolutely NO SEXUAL RELATIONS with anyone other than your legal and lawful spouse...before 7pm.
6- Members of the church must, thrice daily, bow down while facing the San Fernando Valley and pray while thinking of their fav porn genre.
SRTall4Fun wrote:
Just because I hate Trump doesn’t mean I like Biden. I hate both of them. I don’t consider myself a democrat or a republican. I consider myself independent because there are things I agree with on both sides. I think anyone who labels themselves a democrat or republican need to learn to think for themselves. The fact people are so obsessed with parties and the president is stupid. Learn to think for yourself and realize the president is just a person.
RIGHT ONE LOVE IT
Skicouple801 wrote:
We have a strict no Trump supporters rule so that pretty much takes care of any concern.
What makes you think Trump supporters are the problem? Trump fast-tracked the vaccine. Not to mention I work with about 95% Conservatives whom were some of the first to get the vaccine. It’s ignorant, uninformed, politicizing, people like you who ARE the problem to those holding out. You’re making it a political contest instead of promoting health awareness. No one wants to hear about your political horse shit. And if you think you’re better than people with right leaning beliefs, say when and where. We’ll show you just how stupid you really are. These comments just piss me off. You have a no Trump supporter policy? Well we have a no Asshole policy so sounds like we’ll never meet. Which is probably for the best. 👍. Unreal. Can’t people just swing without politics? My God. We get enough of those crammed down our throats every day. This is our escape. And here you are ruining it. Nice job.
UTHOTCPLEXTREME wrote:
say when and where. We’ll show you just how stupid you really are. These comments just piss me off.
Are you stuck in grade school? You're going to challenge those disagreeing to a physical (and illegal) confrontation? Clearly you lack a clear mind, the power of persuasion, and the ability to influence. Anyone who risks your anger in their bedroom is bananas. So what if they rule people out based on political beliefs? Move on and lighten up. Who's really ruining it? Nice job.
This thread has devolved into a showcase of bad behavior. It just needs to go away and die.
Ok so how many people want to get naked with those that have strong political opinions and insist on letting you know what they are? Please take away all the sexiness you may have and discuss politics. Oh my what a great aphrodisiac to get us all hot and bothered.
We all get it, vaccines are a choice just like smoking and seat belts. You’re politics don’t really matter if that’s your excuse for getting or not getting the vaccine I won’t tell you how misguided that is because the government tells you to wear a seat belts and where you cannot smoke. I don’t want to dislike you because of your politics and in the lifestyle I don’t want to care about your politics.
We all get it, vaccines are a choice just like smoking and seat belts. You’re politics don’t really matter if that’s your excuse for getting or not getting the vaccine I won’t tell you how misguided that is because the government tells you to wear a seat belts and where you cannot smoke. I don’t want to dislike you because of your politics and in the lifestyle I don’t want to care about your politics.
So Maleficient how do you pound the cure?
We do however agree with your conclusions. 😁
We do however agree with your conclusions. 😁
I've been told by many swingers that I EASILY look six to eight weeks younger than my actual age when I'm wearing my COVID mask. And ALL the ladies think it's fuggin' HAWT that they can charge their smartphone on my magnetized vaccine arm while we bang. Win/win!
It absolutely matters to us for many reasons.
And we too, both, are attracted to insightful passionate thinkers who are socially compassionate and conscientious.
This site is worse than Facebook too often. At least there you see who's talking. But it does help provide more profile info, I suppose.
And we too, both, are attracted to insightful passionate thinkers who are socially compassionate and conscientious.
This site is worse than Facebook too often. At least there you see who's talking. But it does help provide more profile info, I suppose.
Now that you satisfied your craving for self-flattery and virtue-signaling, an eager FB audience awaits. Go.
I don't suppose any of you caught the CDC report, on those getting the Pfizer mRNA genetic medicine vaccine, becoming super spreaders, or more accurately, Covid Typhoid Marys, and the greatest source of new variants. Or that with every covid test taken with a swab marked "swab sterile EO" that you are exposed to the highly mutagenic carcinogen ethylene oxide (EPA), which the swab is saturated with, to sterilize it. and is used in the most susceptible place (your respiratory track) for it to effect. So yes, while the Vax may be great, it certainly isn't a suit of armor against Covid, and as we are finding out may have very dire longer term consequences, for many people. both vaccinated or not. A true vaccine prevents a virus from infecting the individual, not allow them to get infected, and spread the virus, but not be as affected by it. I am not opposed to vaccines, and have had many (one of the last to get smallpox vaccine, and first for Rubella), But on this one, I will wait for full FDA approval, and not be a guinea pig for the government, and big pharma. And I certainly will not like, dislike, berate, stigmatize, or ostracize anyone, because they choose to get the jab or not.
As far as the LS goes, I'm not out there looking to fuck any, or everything I can, and have a very small select number of people I have such contact with., and we're good with it. no politics involved. Now, would I have a blow out house party with 100 plus people like I used to? No, but that's because of other reasons, not the Covid...lol
And always remember that natural selection, is not survival of the fittest, but the elimination of the unfit. Our species is not immune to that brutal but true fact of evolution.
A little silly side note, if you happen to be homozygous for the CCR Delta 32 gene mutation, you are immune to HIV/AIDS as well as Small pox, and Hemorrhagic Black Plague (not bacterial bubonic), but then there haven't been any cases of those last two for some time. Again natural unflinching evolution at work, just as Covid will have it's effect on our evolution. whether we mask, vax, or social distance, like it, or not.
As far as the LS goes, I'm not out there looking to fuck any, or everything I can, and have a very small select number of people I have such contact with., and we're good with it. no politics involved. Now, would I have a blow out house party with 100 plus people like I used to? No, but that's because of other reasons, not the Covid...lol
And always remember that natural selection, is not survival of the fittest, but the elimination of the unfit. Our species is not immune to that brutal but true fact of evolution.
A little silly side note, if you happen to be homozygous for the CCR Delta 32 gene mutation, you are immune to HIV/AIDS as well as Small pox, and Hemorrhagic Black Plague (not bacterial bubonic), but then there haven't been any cases of those last two for some time. Again natural unflinching evolution at work, just as Covid will have it's effect on our evolution. whether we mask, vax, or social distance, like it, or not.
Well this thread has mutated more than the virus, but it has been enlightening as to who we want to hang with and who we don't. I may have to go back and take notes. From reading all the posts, it is apparent that people who are not vaccinated are not making risk analysis using real logic and facts. As was stated by several people above, if you don't take covid safety seriously, you probably don't take other safety seriously. We wan to play with people that take safety seriously. Thank you all for enlightening us with your opinions.
Ran across this story this morning and wondered if anyone had any thoughts about it. Would those who refuse to get vaccinated be okay with this?
Vaccination Status May Be Considered To Get An ICU Bed
Vaccination Status May Be Considered To Get An ICU Bed
On the vaccine status affecting ability to get a icu bed….. One of their biggest arguments for getting the vaccine now is that if you get the virus after having the vaccine that your symptoms will be mild and recovery quicker. If that is true, then why would someone who has had the vaccine need an icu bed?? Just an observation.
RRUPFORFUN wrote:
On the vaccine status affecting ability to get a icu bed….. One of their biggest arguments for getting the vaccine now is that if you get the virus after having the vaccine that your symptoms will be mild and recovery quicker. If that is true, then why would someone who has had the vaccine need an icu bed?? Just an observation.
I assume because certain individuals with compromised immune systems and/or other co-morbidities and underlying conditions could still require extra support while fighting an infection, especially from the Delta variant which is considerably more virulent than Alpha.
Maleficient wrote:
I’m curious to know what the ratio of people who choose not to be vaccinated also eschew or are not on board with consistent condom use 🤔 if there’s correlation
EVILDOERS wrote:
Ran across this story this morning and wondered if anyone had any thoughts about it. Would those who refuse to get vaccinated be okay with this?
Vaccination Status May Be Considered To Get An ICU Bed
This feels like consequences that are in line with an individuals right to choose. Excepting the obvious toll to healthcare workers and those who legit can't receive vaccines.
Maleficient wrote:EVILDOERS wrote:
Ran across this story this morning and wondered if anyone had any thoughts about it. Would those who refuse to get vaccinated be okay with this?
Vaccination Status May Be Considered To Get An ICU Bed
This poses a drastic divergence to the Hippocratic oath for health care professional and where do you draw the line irgt other situations. However triage is there for a reason. In the the simplest terms it is an ethical controversy
As a healthcare professional who did a four-year stint in an inner-city ER in a large midwestern city, I can tell you that a critical component of triage is determining who, with the proper intervention, has the best chance at survival. When resources are finite, other things (besides being vaccinated or not) being equal, science says that the vaccinated patient has the best chance to survive.
I certainly wouldn't want to be in the position of making that call but then again I haven't been stressed out to the max working crazy hours under impossible conditions for a year and a half and seeing very sick people every day who absolutely COULD have done something to mitigate, at least to some point, their own illness.
People make choices all the time, with risk avoidance or acceptance included in their decision making process. Risk verses reward is a common element in the decisions we make. I think that when the outcomes, from our decisions, could involve our family and or friends, a lot of us tend to be somewhat more likely to lean toward caution. Sometimes there is an element of persuasion from our loved ones to be careful. With that said, whether we are making decisions that lean toward careful or that lean toward throwing caution to the wind, what do we gain by belittling or insulting people making decision not in accord with our choices? Is this somewhat like any other no means no and yes means yes choice we make in the lifestyle?
Oh dear - I can't believe we are still having this conversation. Nobody likes a 'know-it-all' and I can assure you . . . I do NOT know it all . . . but this is space I work in daily - so I apologize if some of this message comes across as anything but sincere.
The rest of this message is more a vent than anything else because . . . from reading your posts . . . it is a little bit like singing to the choir. Still . . . there are a few holdouts - and it is a bit cathartic to have a place to vent my frustrations with regards to all things Covid, the vaccine, and basic public health.
I have no interest in offending anyone . . . let me state this up front. As far as playing goes . . . we are not doing much of that these days . . . not so much a conscious decision, and certainly not due to fear, mostly because of a loss of energy from all of the craziness taking place in the past 18 months. Its exasperating!
We've both been vaccinated, and we will both get the booster as soon as it is available. We recognize individual's right to 'choose' even though we don't understand why people would pray for an end to this pandemic . . . but simultaneously refuse to be immunized??? Makes no sense.
Unfortunately, this is a space I cannot escape, as I am up to my eyeballs daily with this damned disease. I sort through at least 30 peer-reviewed journal articles on the subject each and every day - again, not because I want to, but because my job and assignment requires it.
I'm so tired of convincing people that the government is too incompetent to inject micro chips in conjunction with this life-saving vaccine . . . and to what end? They already have our cell phone data . . . AND . . . they can't track the 30MM or so people who owe them money . . . what in God's name would they do with microchip data??? I know I'm singing to the choir here but . . . honestly people . . . what the FUCK has happened to the intelligence in our country? I don't mean this from a political standpoint - I divorced myself from the prevailing Utah party ages ago . . . this is NOT POLITICAL.
If you care about your loved ones . . . P A L E A S E have them get immunized! (except, of course if they are in the 1st trimester of a pregnancy . . . then wait a few months, or if they are immunocompromised - then they should be given a free pass - its not safe for them to have the vaccine). If you want to make it a LS issue - by all means, knock yourselves out. I think LDSCouple has it mostly right . . . if you've been immunized . . . then your exposure to someone who is unimmunized only opens you up for a potentially miserable weekend . . . you are HIGHLY unlikely to end up dead or in the hospital from Covid. We must remember that the antibodies elicited by the vaccine are mostly gut antibodies - which will keep you from getting sick and hospitalized and from dying - highly effective at preventing these two things . . . however, they illicit very few mucosae membrane antibodies . . . which is why immunized people are still being asked to wear masks indoors and in public venues . . . yes, you can and will still spread the disease if you are exposed.
Standing up to stupidity still makes a lot of sense. Most of the time it is not stupidity, but a certain naivete as to which sources you can count on for reliable information. I don't mean to call anyone out . . . I really have no interest in embarrassing ANYONE . . . if you decide not to get immunized . . . I recognize your 'right' to do so . . . but seriously folks . . . the science HAS spoken already . . . ad nauseam. Notwithstanding Facebook and its inherent ability to foster every conspiracy known to man . . . this one is really simple.
If you have any doubts . . please reach out to me. I promise not to berate, or embarrass ANYONE. I am genuinely interested in putting out the flames of doubt relating to this disease and the vaccine to protect us. I will be more than happy to provide chapter and verse from the scientific community . . . and I can even help you with scientific responses to the contra-information perpetuated by well-meaning friends and family. I will be happy to provide you with my credentials if you reach out . . . not so we can have a pissing match . . . but so you can have enough background to make an informed decision.
We love our friends in the LS . . . even those who have chosen to not yet be vaccinated. My personal interest in making myself available is simply to help make the world a better place. Sorry for lengthy post - but seriously . . . if you are still a 'doubting Thomas' . . . reach out. I would welcome the conversation.
In the meantime . . . stay safe folks. LS people are the best people we know. Love you all!
The rest of this message is more a vent than anything else because . . . from reading your posts . . . it is a little bit like singing to the choir. Still . . . there are a few holdouts - and it is a bit cathartic to have a place to vent my frustrations with regards to all things Covid, the vaccine, and basic public health.
I have no interest in offending anyone . . . let me state this up front. As far as playing goes . . . we are not doing much of that these days . . . not so much a conscious decision, and certainly not due to fear, mostly because of a loss of energy from all of the craziness taking place in the past 18 months. Its exasperating!
We've both been vaccinated, and we will both get the booster as soon as it is available. We recognize individual's right to 'choose' even though we don't understand why people would pray for an end to this pandemic . . . but simultaneously refuse to be immunized??? Makes no sense.
Unfortunately, this is a space I cannot escape, as I am up to my eyeballs daily with this damned disease. I sort through at least 30 peer-reviewed journal articles on the subject each and every day - again, not because I want to, but because my job and assignment requires it.
I'm so tired of convincing people that the government is too incompetent to inject micro chips in conjunction with this life-saving vaccine . . . and to what end? They already have our cell phone data . . . AND . . . they can't track the 30MM or so people who owe them money . . . what in God's name would they do with microchip data??? I know I'm singing to the choir here but . . . honestly people . . . what the FUCK has happened to the intelligence in our country? I don't mean this from a political standpoint - I divorced myself from the prevailing Utah party ages ago . . . this is NOT POLITICAL.
If you care about your loved ones . . . P A L E A S E have them get immunized! (except, of course if they are in the 1st trimester of a pregnancy . . . then wait a few months, or if they are immunocompromised - then they should be given a free pass - its not safe for them to have the vaccine). If you want to make it a LS issue - by all means, knock yourselves out. I think LDSCouple has it mostly right . . . if you've been immunized . . . then your exposure to someone who is unimmunized only opens you up for a potentially miserable weekend . . . you are HIGHLY unlikely to end up dead or in the hospital from Covid. We must remember that the antibodies elicited by the vaccine are mostly gut antibodies - which will keep you from getting sick and hospitalized and from dying - highly effective at preventing these two things . . . however, they illicit very few mucosae membrane antibodies . . . which is why immunized people are still being asked to wear masks indoors and in public venues . . . yes, you can and will still spread the disease if you are exposed.
Standing up to stupidity still makes a lot of sense. Most of the time it is not stupidity, but a certain naivete as to which sources you can count on for reliable information. I don't mean to call anyone out . . . I really have no interest in embarrassing ANYONE . . . if you decide not to get immunized . . . I recognize your 'right' to do so . . . but seriously folks . . . the science HAS spoken already . . . ad nauseam. Notwithstanding Facebook and its inherent ability to foster every conspiracy known to man . . . this one is really simple.
If you have any doubts . . please reach out to me. I promise not to berate, or embarrass ANYONE. I am genuinely interested in putting out the flames of doubt relating to this disease and the vaccine to protect us. I will be more than happy to provide chapter and verse from the scientific community . . . and I can even help you with scientific responses to the contra-information perpetuated by well-meaning friends and family. I will be happy to provide you with my credentials if you reach out . . . not so we can have a pissing match . . . but so you can have enough background to make an informed decision.
We love our friends in the LS . . . even those who have chosen to not yet be vaccinated. My personal interest in making myself available is simply to help make the world a better place. Sorry for lengthy post - but seriously . . . if you are still a 'doubting Thomas' . . . reach out. I would welcome the conversation.
In the meantime . . . stay safe folks. LS people are the best people we know. Love you all!
DELICIOUSLYWET wrote:
People make choices all the time, with risk avoidance or acceptance included in their decision making process. Risk verses reward is a common element in the decisions we make. I think that when the outcomes, from our decisions, could involve our family and or friends, a lot of us tend to be somewhat more likely to lean toward caution. Sometimes there is an element of persuasion from our loved ones to be careful. With that said, whether we are making decisions that lean toward careful or that lean toward throwing caution to the wind, what do we gain by belittling or insulting people making decision not in accord with our choices? Is this somewhat like any other no means no and yes means yes choice we make in the lifestyle?
What do we gain? Probably nothing. But what are we to do when it's a decision that ultimately has the potential to affect all of us...our species (Assuming we're all actually the same species. Some days I have my doubts.) as a whole?
Should we belittle someone who drives drunk down the wrong side of the freeway in their brand new Tesla S (That they haven't quite figured out how to make self-drive yet.) late at night? I daresay that there are those who have done it and haven't (at least yet) injured or killed anybody.
What about someone who shoots their Glock 19 with a high-capacity magazine up in the air to celebrate, say, the opening of a new Olive Garden (or maybe a Dollar Tree) in their neighborhood? There's only a very slight chance that those bullets will land on someone else and injure or kill them. Do we give them a pass if the bullets only land on a dilapidated Carl's Jr. that won't even honor coupons from other hamburger stands? When or where do we draw the line between individual rights and the common good? And why won't Carl's Jr. honor Arctic Circle coupons?
I concur with MJofslut...well said SweetAandH.
Excellent post SweetTandH!
SexyPowSkiers wrote:Starlights wrote:
We want to have a better chance at life with the vaccine vs. a better chance meeting death without it.
Bingo. No vaccine ever promised 100% immunity, but your outcome if you do become a case will very likely be much better. Somehow this escapes people who think it doesn't matter.
Definitely. Sure we might get sick if we pick up enough of a viral load, but ideally the statistics say we won't die and won't be gravely sick. And also Pfizer just got approved by the FDA today!
Excellent post.🤗🤗🤗🤗
EVILDOERS wrote:
What do we gain? Probably nothing. But what are we to do when it's a decision that ultimately has the potential to affect all of us...our species (Assuming we're all actually the same species. Some days I have my doubts.) as a whole?
Should we belittle someone who drives drunk down the wrong side of the freeway in their brand new Tesla S (That they haven't quite figured out how to make self-drive yet.) late at night? I daresay that there are those who have done it and haven't (at least yet) injured or killed anybody.
What about someone who shoots their Glock 19 with a high-capacity magazine up in the air to celebrate, say, the opening of a new Olive Garden (or maybe a Dollar Tree) in their neighborhood? There's only a very slight chance that those bullets will land on someone else and injure or kill them. Do we give them a pass if the bullets only land on a dilapidated Carl's Jr. that won't even honor coupons from other hamburger stands? When or where do we draw the line between individual rights and the common good? And why won't Carl's Jr. honor Arctic Circle coupons?
People are less likely to be reasonable or open minded when they get offended. Just that. Berating or insulting people is unlikely to change their behavior. I never said we should not express our opinions, scientific data, you name it. Opinions about the facts. Expressing negative judgments about the people that don't understand them, may be, frankly appears to be counter productive.
The news is full of warnings, the hospitals are full of people sick with the virus, with the great majority of the sick people who were not vaccinated. Still, some people are resistant. I don’t know? What do you do? What do you say?
"Berating or insulting people is unlikely to change their behavior."
You're probably right. But come to think of it, there HAVE been more than just a few examples in recent history that berating and insulting people can actually change their behavior. LOL
You're probably right. But come to think of it, there HAVE been more than just a few examples in recent history that berating and insulting people can actually change their behavior. LOL
EVILDOERS wrote:
"Berating or insulting people is unlikely to change their behavior."
You're probably right. But come to think of it, there HAVE been more than just a few examples in recent history that berating and insulting people can actually change their behavior. LOL
Touché
Evil, That only counts with shameless sluts.
Skicouple801 wrote:
We have a strict no Trump supporters rule so that pretty much takes care of any concern.
Ummm … Because only Trump supporters don’t get vaccinated ?? This is the problem with America today … too much stupidity !!! 🙄.
I think I might need to make a new strict no Stupid Ass People rule now lol 😂 🤣😂
UTHOTCPLEXTREME wrote:FunKinkyDuo wrote:
Ummm … Because only Trump supporters don’t get vaccinated ?? This is the problem with America today … too much stupidity !!! 🙄.
I think I might need to make a new strict no Stupid Ass People rule now lol 😂 🤣😂
I concur. And as you saw that post pissed me right off too. Because it’s 100% bullshit. It’s like saying if you voted for Biden you have must the IQ of a pet rock and we just won’t sleep with morons. 😛. And I’m not even a “Trumper”. Just a guy with common sense tired of everything becoming politicized.
Exactly … their comment just shows you how gullible and ignorant people can be … believing anything that the news they watch tells them, not even realizing they are the pathetic pawns of the networks and politicians … in this case with them obviously CNN , which spews that every republican is a racist and uneducated.
I know people on both sides of the isle that for their own reasons haven’t been vaccinated, and in most cases it has nothing to do with their political choice.
Skicouple801 wrote:
We have a strict no Trump supporters rule so that pretty much takes care of any concern.
Ya cant fuck who ya don't respect ---- well - I guess you can -- but we would rather not.
CLUBCIGAR wrote:
Ya cant fuck who ya don't respect ---- well - I guess you can -- but we would rather not.
Yea, but that has a nothing to do with what the OP actually asked in this thread. . The OP didn’t ask about being concerned about fucking people of the other political party or fucking who you respect, they asked about being concerned about if people have been vaccinated. … and the quite uninformed SkiCouple801 here apparently seems to think that somehow a no playing with Trump supporters rule somehow takes care of their concerns of whether people are vaccinated or not….. what a stupid ass correlation to make! That kind of head up your ass ignorance is in my opinion a big part of the problem in our country today. But … many people will always be Sheeple.
FunKinkyDuo wrote:UTHOTCPLEXTREME wrote:
[quote=FunKinkyDuo]Ummm … Because only Trump supporters don’t get vaccinated ?? This is the problem with America today … too much stupidity !!! 🙄.
I think I might need to make a new strict no Stupid Ass People rule now lol 😂 🤣😂
I concur. And as you saw that post pissed me right off too. Because it’s 100% bullshit. It’s like saying if you voted for Biden you have must the IQ of a pet rock and we just won’t sleep with morons. 😛. And I’m not even a “Trumper”. Just a guy with common sense tired of everything becoming politicized.
Exactly … their comment just shows you how gullible and ignorant people can be … believing anything that the news they watch tells them, not even realizing they are the pathetic pawns of the networks and politicians … in this case with them obviously CNN , which spews that every republican is a racist and uneducated.
I know people on both sides of the isle that for their own reasons haven’t been vaccinated, and in most cases it has nothing to do with their political choice.[/quote]
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here is our 2 cents,, we feel taking care of one's self is a personal choice as is the person who wants to protect them self, no one should criticize either one. just me speaking (Mike) i have nothing against taking a vaccine i just want more testing and that might take a few years. so if someone doesn't want to be in my circle that is ur choice and i will respect that...no one should talk smack about either side just do what u need to do to make u and ur love ones safe and happy
DELICIOUSLYWET wrote:
The news is full of warnings, the hospitals are full of people sick with the virus, with the great majority of the sick people who were not vaccinated. Still, some people are resistant. I don’t know? What do you do? What do you say?
Maybe say "Goodbye", while you still can?
UtSkier said, "...i have nothing against taking a vaccine i just want more testing and that might take a few years." [sic]
I get that, I really do. But sometimes we don't necessarily have the luxury of time. In this case, the current evidence strongly suggests that vaccine hesitancy by so many people absolutely fueled the current huge surge of the Delta variant. Further hesitancy or waiting for "more testing" could VERY easily give rise to a variant even more contagious and virulent than Delta (Which is at least 50% more contagious, carries viral loads approx. 1000 times higher and is infecting and killing ever younger victims.).
So then what? Keep waiting? What if you wait so long that the initial vaccines you are waiting for additional testing are no longer effective for the latest variant? Will you wait the same length of time for subsequent vaccines to be tested for "a few years" while the virus keeps mutating? See where I'm going here? Where does that mindset end?
If watching science fiction movies has taught me anything, it's that sometimes you just have to grab the syringe and shoot that weird experimental glowing green goop right into your fucking vein to save the world!
ps- And if makes you feel any better, though I doubt it will change your mind, this particular vaccine has been studied, followed, the data dissected and poured over God knows how many times, more than any other vaccine in HISTORY! Scientists and physicians around the globe have literally dropped everything else they were doing to help the effort to stem the tide of this pandemic.
I get that, I really do. But sometimes we don't necessarily have the luxury of time. In this case, the current evidence strongly suggests that vaccine hesitancy by so many people absolutely fueled the current huge surge of the Delta variant. Further hesitancy or waiting for "more testing" could VERY easily give rise to a variant even more contagious and virulent than Delta (Which is at least 50% more contagious, carries viral loads approx. 1000 times higher and is infecting and killing ever younger victims.).
So then what? Keep waiting? What if you wait so long that the initial vaccines you are waiting for additional testing are no longer effective for the latest variant? Will you wait the same length of time for subsequent vaccines to be tested for "a few years" while the virus keeps mutating? See where I'm going here? Where does that mindset end?
If watching science fiction movies has taught me anything, it's that sometimes you just have to grab the syringe and shoot that weird experimental glowing green goop right into your fucking vein to save the world!
ps- And if makes you feel any better, though I doubt it will change your mind, this particular vaccine has been studied, followed, the data dissected and poured over God knows how many times, more than any other vaccine in HISTORY! Scientists and physicians around the globe have literally dropped everything else they were doing to help the effort to stem the tide of this pandemic.
EVILDOERS wrote:
UtSkier said, "...i have nothing against taking a vaccine i just want more testing and that might take a few years." [sic]
I get that, I really do. But sometimes we don't necessarily have the luxury of time. In this case, the current evidence strongly suggests that vaccine hesitancy by so many people absolutely fueled the current huge surge of the Delta variant. Further hesitancy or waiting for "more testing" could VERY easily give rise to a variant even more contagious and virulent than Delta (Which is at least 50% more contagious, carries viral loads approx. 1000 times higher and is infecting and killing ever younger victims.).
So then what? Keep waiting? What if you wait so long that the initial vaccines you are waiting for additional testing are no longer effective for the latest variant? Will you wait the same length of time for subsequent vaccines to be tested for "a few years" while the virus keeps mutating? See where I'm going here? Where does that mindset end?
If watching science fiction movies has taught me anything, it's that sometimes you just have to grab the syringe and shoot that weird experimental glowing green goop right into your fucking vein to save the world!
ps- And if makes you feel any better, though I doubt it will change your mind, this particular vaccine has been studied, followed, the data dissected and poured over God knows how many times, more than any other vaccine in HISTORY! Scientists and physicians around the globe have literally dropped everything else they were doing to help the effort to stem the tide of this pandemic.
And the pfizer vaccine now has full FDA approval.
Not poked, no poke.
We did a little math and the shots that we got in the winter, that we thought would protect us, now only give us about a 50% protection rate. Another reason to avoid un-vaccinated people? And would a booster shot make you more likely to play with the un-vaccinated?
Just how long are we gonna beat this dead horse?? Can we please talk about something else?? Everyone has their opinion and nothing anyone says on here is going to change that!
Whipping a dead horse, or a mildly sick horse, or a horse on a ventilator, or a covid-19 positive a-symptomatic horse, or a horse with a micro chip, or however you feel about the virus, and the vaccine. You can buy two of the BinaxNOW Abbott laboratories at home 15 minute COVID 19 test for $23.00 and change at Smiths. For those people, like the two of us, who have enthusiastically bought into the reptilian space invader's propaganda, that the virus is real, knowing that the people any of us are hoping to play with have been vaccinated, and that we ourselves have been vaccinated, probably means that none of us are going to get all that sick. It does not mean that we are not carrying the virus. Obviously, even the test isn't a 100% guarantee, but it's an additional safe guard, and who knows, maybe a cleverly placed micro chip booster in our nostrils.
We are both vaccinated mostly due to a high risk member of family, but also the fact that we love to travel and taste of good food. We absolutely respect everyone’s decision not to get vaccinated due to …time it took to create a vaccine, distrust of government, political affiliation., or even if you are an antivaxer. No judgment.
But please don’t bring up the idiotic argument that there is a microchip in the vaccine.
Worried about getting tracked, get rid of you Cel phones.
But please don’t bring up the idiotic argument that there is a microchip in the vaccine.
Worried about getting tracked, get rid of you Cel phones.
Farkeltwins wrote:
Wow, we were under the impression that swingers were smart progressive people but this thread has educated us. It appears that some swingers are racists, knuckle draggers, selfish and just plain stupid. Please keep posting comments as it has been very helpful to us on what we want and don't want!
Your comment clearly shows your own level of “progressive” intelligence, and lack of it.
Still happy with your boy Biden running out of Afghanistan and leaving thousands of American civilians and Soldiers there as sitting duck targets?
Not sure he could have fucked it up any more !
Sorry , not sorry for that post lol … but see how I changed the subject there … the vaccine discussion was getting a little dry, yawn!
Hahahaha wow.
After all conversation, we are going to edit our profile.
FunKinkyDuo wrote:Farkeltwins wrote:
Wow, we were under the impression that swingers were smart progressive people but this thread has educated us. It appears that some swingers are racists, knuckle draggers, selfish and just plain stupid. Please keep posting comments as it has been very helpful to us on what we want and don't want!
Your comment clearly shows your own level of “progressive” intelligence, and lack of it.
Still happy with your boy Biden running out of Afghanistan and leaving thousands of American civilians and Soldiers there as sitting duck targets?
Not sure he could have fucked it up any more !
What? no “progressive” responses from anyone to my post? Wow, I guess Covid was a perfectly fine topic to bash, trash and categorize anyone with a different view on vaccinations than yours ... but it’s crickets on this topic ... cat got your tongue? hmmm
....Biden will go DOWN in history for this royal fuck up ! And please please please put us on your fucking list of people you don’t want to play with if you think otherwise ... we probably wouldn’t have played with you anyway! ... that is all. 🇺🇸