We were talking to someone we thought was a "vanilla" friend last night. She has told us in the past how she is a total LDS member and "very religious", yet we just found out that she is and has been in the lifestyle for quite a while. We are a bit perplexed. While we are not LDS, we assume the church would frown on the lifestyle. Is this not the case? Or are LDS'rs living a "double life"? We all do to a certain extent, we don't advertise that we are swingers. But, to you who are active LDS members, how hard is to maintain while attending church? To those who are not and have dated LDS members, is it difficult to have poly relationships with members? What are some of the obstacles? We do like her very much.
we have actually ran into alott of them heck some of them on here actually have lds in their name on their profile id say double life but aren't we all lol
but yes the religion is against it but along time ago it was for it in a way for the fact of war there was more women than men so it was right for a man home to take care of two or more households more of polygamy but in the bible I guess it makes me wonder because it does say god said to spread your seed this thaught should make for an interesting read lol
As in most religions I'm familiar with, there are adherents to the culture and spirit of it rather than strictly to the doctrine, or rules and regulations; due to their social circle they can't avoid it so follow what they can when it doesn't infringe on their fun - beliefs don't truly enter the picture.
Or they're incredibly self-loathing, but no one wants to spend five minutes with that shit, much less fuck it.
PS; I don't live a double life in any way. I'm an atheist who dates non-exclusively and am ridiculously upfront about it. Why would I hide the parts of my life that make me the happiest?! I'm openly living my best life.
Or they're incredibly self-loathing, but no one wants to spend five minutes with that shit, much less fuck it.
PS; I don't live a double life in any way. I'm an atheist who dates non-exclusively and am ridiculously upfront about it. Why would I hide the parts of my life that make me the happiest?! I'm openly living my best life.
guess I shouldn't say double life should say more of a hidden side lol
it might depend on the bishop you talk to. Some bishops allow masturbation, and let you drink tea & coffee. Other priesthood leaders get a big head on their shoulders and tell you to give up all tv & movies for a month. Some LDS talks say not to have oral sex or to even lust after your spouse, and then others say that anything goes as long as both the husband & wife know about it and agree it's fine.
CHEFFETTE wrote:
PS; I don't live a double life in any way. I'm an atheist who dates non-exclusively and am ridiculously upfront about it. Why would I hide the parts of my life that make me the happiest?! I'm openly living my best life.
Love this! We don't live a double life either. We are honest about our lifestyle if it comes up in conversation, we dont go out of our way to tell everyone we meet.
As for being LDS the church has come out and said any members participating in "swinging" will be excomminicated, of course that is if they get caught. I know this because my family (parents and sister) are LDS and we have had many discussions about it.
I personally don't think you can be a member in good standing and be involved in swinging. But that is just me and we understand those that feel differently.
SIREROS wrote:
I find puzzling the judgment of others by those that seem so adept at mental contorsions as some of these people have clearly perfected.
There are cult books out there that show how and why any human can get stuck in these logic loops, even if they weren't raised in the church they can get stuck in them. And its especially hard if it's something you were born into, your biological urges screaming at you to disobey it.
And the fact is the LDS church has given so many different commandments over the years that it is very hard to follow them all.
1) no pool tables
2) no playing cards
3) no rated r movies
4) may wear only 2 total earrings, but they can be 2 pearl.
5) only get a tattoo if you are polynesian and your cultural heritage commands you to get one
6) to be in a bishopric or higher, the only facial hair permitted is a neatly trimmed mustache above the lips only. May not go below the corners of the mouth.
7) girls have to wear pantyhose to church, naked legs are not allowed (bless that 70 - love pantyose)
You should really look into cult dynamics to understand how the human brain locks you into staying in a cult, especially if you were born & raised, and every family member is in it, and how it can happen to anyone of any intelligence level. And being in swinging might be a good way to help them learn to be more open in their respect for others. I know several swingers who got out of he LDS chuch by swinging.
Hell. I've fornicated, adulterated, drunk, smoked cigars, haven't gone to church for 4 years, have found out definitively that the book of mormon was made up fiction combining the bible & 2 other books together, and a whole bunch of other shit, I "felt the spirit" while fornicating, and 4.5 years later, I still "feel the spirit" if some jackass puts motab on the speakers.
We have been with many mormon couples that were active in there church over the years. Also have had a couple of bishops that have asked us to have a threesome with them without there wives. Which we pointed out thats against there church and cheating so no way. We think its very active lifestyle in the church community.
The vast majority of Christian sects (not to mention Muslim and others) very much frown on any kind of sex outside of marriage. Double life, cognitive dissonance, severe denial, take your pick. We were semi-active Mormons when we started swinging but finally came clean with each other and thankfully admitted that we both thought religion was utter bullshit. I figure people who swing and go to church, well, it's their thing and don't really worry about it. And just an aside, those seven things JEFFSMITH mentioned, except for the R rated movie (still not 'official' church doctrine) thing the rest of those are pretty much bullshit. Sure there are local authorities who will try to micromanage their ward members with silly stuff they more or less make up but the rest of those things have never been church policy let alone doctrine. Just setting the record straight.
1) no pool tables
- stated by David O. McKay, as prophet, Not policy but BYU didn't have pool tables til after he died.
2) no playing cards
- stated by Spencer W. Kimball, as prophet, in conference
3) no rated r movies - you know this one.
4) may wear only 2 total earrings, but they can be 2 pearl.
- stated by Gordon B. Hinckley, as Prophet, in 2000 or 2001.
5) only get a tattoo if you are polynesian and your cultural heritage commands you to get one
(I can't remember this one, I'm not going to B.S.)
6) to be in a bishopric or higher, the only facial hair permitted is a neatly trimmed mustache above the lips only. May not go below the corners of the mouth.
- this has been an official church policy for years. Churchwide. Many bishopric members were told they either had to trim their goatee down to a stache or get released, or to even be called as one
7) girls have to wear pantyhose to church, naked legs are not allowed (bless that 70 - love pantyose)
- stated by a Presidency of the 70, in a woman's conference, somewhere around 2004-2006.
Very official declarations in large broadcast meetings by the "prophet" or someone speaking as his representative.
- stated by David O. McKay, as prophet, Not policy but BYU didn't have pool tables til after he died.
2) no playing cards
- stated by Spencer W. Kimball, as prophet, in conference
3) no rated r movies - you know this one.
4) may wear only 2 total earrings, but they can be 2 pearl.
- stated by Gordon B. Hinckley, as Prophet, in 2000 or 2001.
5) only get a tattoo if you are polynesian and your cultural heritage commands you to get one
(I can't remember this one, I'm not going to B.S.)
6) to be in a bishopric or higher, the only facial hair permitted is a neatly trimmed mustache above the lips only. May not go below the corners of the mouth.
- this has been an official church policy for years. Churchwide. Many bishopric members were told they either had to trim their goatee down to a stache or get released, or to even be called as one
7) girls have to wear pantyhose to church, naked legs are not allowed (bless that 70 - love pantyose)
- stated by a Presidency of the 70, in a woman's conference, somewhere around 2004-2006.
Very official declarations in large broadcast meetings by the "prophet" or someone speaking as his representative.
Thank you all for giving us a lot to think about. We appreciate it.
If you're going to understand how LDS people can still swing and yet be religious, you're going to need to talk to an active member who's into swinging. I was still active for about 1.5 years after getting on swingular.
The LDS church is even stricter than most Christian churches when it comes to sex. Currently some members debate whether masturbation means a person going to hell. Or a husband/wife who masturbates because their spouse has no desire to be with them, or to have sex, is going to hell. Look at a sports illustrated swimsuit issue magazine without masturbating? hell. Touch your special spot in the shower for too long? Hell. Some of these are local policies, but you're taught as a Mormon that "Your bishop is your priesthood leader and receives revelation directly for you." Ergo, if he tells you to not watch TV for a month and you disobey him, it could count as being in rebellion against god.
Some people react differently to this. In some people there is an asexual response, where they never want sex. Some crave it more than ever before because it's taboo and they aren't allowed to learn about it or explore it in a healthy way. Some get married in 3 weeks just to relieve sexual tension.
And above all, even though swinging is a declared sin of the LDS church, the number one greatest sin in their book is questioning revelation and the existence of the church. So to them, even though they might be kicked out of church, they are still not committing the one unpardonable sin of doubt. You wouldn't believe how many party type mormons who do drugs, and have one night stands for 10 years still have it on their goal list to be married in the temple because they think the church is true.
Me personally? I Couldn't stop masturbating, and I hated myself for every orgasm from 11 til I was 31. My mom walked in on me twice, she was convinced because of a book that Kimball wrote that I was going to go gay. For a year she wouldn't let me go to my friend's houses to spend the night, and she was my personal interrogator on whether or not I'd masturbated that day. I was completely convinced that no girl would ever want to marry me because I couldn't quit, and I really think it did massive harm when it came to me and dating, let alone sex. You have no idea how rebellious of me it was to go gradually from first kissing a girl to fornicating within a ten-year span. When I first saw a naked vagina in person, I was completely entranced to the point of shaking from excitement. And then the second I had an orgasm, I hated myself so much that I wanted to die.
But then your brain does a mental flip and just says "stop and you're fine", and 3 weeks later you repeat. It's a cycle of despair, feeling good about yourself, then giving in again to the "natural man", and believe it or not, this cycle actually drives people back to the church because talking to your leader is the only way that supposedly makes you feel not dirty.
This is only a small part of how the LDS church, and other cults, keep people going back to church. Unless you've felt a guilt cycle like that, you won't know what they're going through. and unless you've been in a strict religion, and thought you believed it completely to the point where you studied and lived it 20 plus hours or more per week, it's going to be hard for you to understand their point of view.
I recommend talking to them personally about it. And seriously, look into researching the human brain, and manipulation techniques, cult mentality, and group think. Because a lot of organizations, workplaces, and religions use manipulation tactics similar to Mormonism to make members stay in line without leaving.
The LDS church is even stricter than most Christian churches when it comes to sex. Currently some members debate whether masturbation means a person going to hell. Or a husband/wife who masturbates because their spouse has no desire to be with them, or to have sex, is going to hell. Look at a sports illustrated swimsuit issue magazine without masturbating? hell. Touch your special spot in the shower for too long? Hell. Some of these are local policies, but you're taught as a Mormon that "Your bishop is your priesthood leader and receives revelation directly for you." Ergo, if he tells you to not watch TV for a month and you disobey him, it could count as being in rebellion against god.
Some people react differently to this. In some people there is an asexual response, where they never want sex. Some crave it more than ever before because it's taboo and they aren't allowed to learn about it or explore it in a healthy way. Some get married in 3 weeks just to relieve sexual tension.
And above all, even though swinging is a declared sin of the LDS church, the number one greatest sin in their book is questioning revelation and the existence of the church. So to them, even though they might be kicked out of church, they are still not committing the one unpardonable sin of doubt. You wouldn't believe how many party type mormons who do drugs, and have one night stands for 10 years still have it on their goal list to be married in the temple because they think the church is true.
Me personally? I Couldn't stop masturbating, and I hated myself for every orgasm from 11 til I was 31. My mom walked in on me twice, she was convinced because of a book that Kimball wrote that I was going to go gay. For a year she wouldn't let me go to my friend's houses to spend the night, and she was my personal interrogator on whether or not I'd masturbated that day. I was completely convinced that no girl would ever want to marry me because I couldn't quit, and I really think it did massive harm when it came to me and dating, let alone sex. You have no idea how rebellious of me it was to go gradually from first kissing a girl to fornicating within a ten-year span. When I first saw a naked vagina in person, I was completely entranced to the point of shaking from excitement. And then the second I had an orgasm, I hated myself so much that I wanted to die.
But then your brain does a mental flip and just says "stop and you're fine", and 3 weeks later you repeat. It's a cycle of despair, feeling good about yourself, then giving in again to the "natural man", and believe it or not, this cycle actually drives people back to the church because talking to your leader is the only way that supposedly makes you feel not dirty.
This is only a small part of how the LDS church, and other cults, keep people going back to church. Unless you've felt a guilt cycle like that, you won't know what they're going through. and unless you've been in a strict religion, and thought you believed it completely to the point where you studied and lived it 20 plus hours or more per week, it's going to be hard for you to understand their point of view.
I recommend talking to them personally about it. And seriously, look into researching the human brain, and manipulation techniques, cult mentality, and group think. Because a lot of organizations, workplaces, and religions use manipulation tactics similar to Mormonism to make members stay in line without leaving.
Oops. I don't think I read your original question. And went on a therapeutic ran. It depends. You could maintain one, get to know them personally, and become their confidante and you should be fine. But if they believe very much in the church, it could be erased if heir bishop finds out and tells them to stop, or if something triggers a guilt complex in them. But you won't know for sure until you get to know them.
Polygamy itself will haunt the LDS church because the understanding is different today then it was so long ago. The Wild West is no longer that Wild anymore. However we are ancestors of these people wanting to find life in the West. The Westward Movement still continues. Europeans hated that people were leaving their homelands for America. Most of these people had royal ties. I am sure you all have royalty in your lines way back before your family ventured to new places.
Today we are the products of these adventurous Four-Fathers. Money is more abundant then ever before. We squander it on enjoyment instead of investing on a farm or our futures. Communication has increase beyond that ever recorded. Never have we been so connected then we are today. Yet we fail to communicate with reason. This makes us point fingers at that which is different. Like we are Aristocratic society. Which we are in some form or another. That being said...we will Indulge is the good Fruit out there. We will do as we please cause money can buy whatever you want. A great change is on the rise. Similar to many historical movements in time. Where it is not the first time we see swinging activities. Most of these are preformed by royalty in times of abundance. Living in America we live like Kings and, Queens. Does not royalty deserve anything they please....or off with their heads!!
The Truth is we are blessed. Blessed to live in America....Land of the free....Land of opportunity...Land of future endeavors....forever!!!
Being an open minded community. We here are not that open minded. We are stuck in our social norms. Does not matter if you are LDS or not. Many people frown on this form of adultery...not just LDS people. We all think we are politically correct now a days. When most likely we are way behind on the info needed to assess reasoning to answer the question. They too are horny and happy just like you. Let's not point fingers! We should be better then this to say why are they doing this? They like it...just like you do!(It is that simple)
This subject keeps coming up as if it is a crime. This is just sex people....let's keep it simple and fun!
Today we are the products of these adventurous Four-Fathers. Money is more abundant then ever before. We squander it on enjoyment instead of investing on a farm or our futures. Communication has increase beyond that ever recorded. Never have we been so connected then we are today. Yet we fail to communicate with reason. This makes us point fingers at that which is different. Like we are Aristocratic society. Which we are in some form or another. That being said...we will Indulge is the good Fruit out there. We will do as we please cause money can buy whatever you want. A great change is on the rise. Similar to many historical movements in time. Where it is not the first time we see swinging activities. Most of these are preformed by royalty in times of abundance. Living in America we live like Kings and, Queens. Does not royalty deserve anything they please....or off with their heads!!
The Truth is we are blessed. Blessed to live in America....Land of the free....Land of opportunity...Land of future endeavors....forever!!!
Being an open minded community. We here are not that open minded. We are stuck in our social norms. Does not matter if you are LDS or not. Many people frown on this form of adultery...not just LDS people. We all think we are politically correct now a days. When most likely we are way behind on the info needed to assess reasoning to answer the question. They too are horny and happy just like you. Let's not point fingers! We should be better then this to say why are they doing this? They like it...just like you do!(It is that simple)
This subject keeps coming up as if it is a crime. This is just sex people....let's keep it simple and fun!
JEFFSMITH1972 wrote:
1) no pool tables
- stated by David O. McKay, as prophet, Not policy but BYU didn't have pool tables til after he died.
2) no playing cards
- stated by Spencer W. Kimball, as prophet, in conference
3) no rated r movies - you know this one.
4) may wear only 2 total earrings, but they can be 2 pearl.
- stated by Gordon B. Hinckley, as Prophet, in 2000 or 2001.
5) only get a tattoo if you are polynesian and your cultural heritage commands you to get one
(I can't remember this one, I'm not going to B.S.)
6) to be in a bishopric or higher, the only facial hair permitted is a neatly trimmed mustache above the lips only. May not go below the corners of the mouth.
- this has been an official church policy for years. Churchwide. Many bishopric members were told they either had to trim their goatee down to a stache or get released, or to even be called as one
7) girls have to wear pantyhose to church, naked legs are not allowed (bless that 70 - love pantyose)
- stated by a Presidency of the 70, in a woman's conference, somewhere around 2004-2006.
Very official declarations in large broadcast meetings by the "prophet" or someone speaking as his representative.
Well I'm not gonna spend my Sunday evening Googling Mormon shit, especially since Ms. Evil is feeling particularly randy this evening but I'll throw out one example off the top of my head. The last photo I saw of Gordon Monson (SL Trib sports columnist) he still has his goatee that he's sported for quite a few years...and I think he's still on his stake's high council. Hard to imagine the church would allow such a high profile person to wear chin weed if it's verboten. And fwiw I've NEVER encountered a bishop who allowed masturbation let alone drinking coffee or tea.
coffee, tea, caffeine isn't against the word of wisdom just hot drink isn't for the belly.
Sex,religion,lifestyle, I don't see peoples hang ups since its all in the same just that other have to put it into a category and separate it into drama for a thrill or something.
EVILDOERS wrote:JEFFSMITH1972 wrote:
1) no pool tables
- stated by David O. McKay, as prophet, Not policy but BYU didn't have pool tables til after he died.
2) no playing cards
- stated by Spencer W. Kimball, as prophet, in conference
3) no rated r movies - you know this one.
4) may wear only 2 total earrings, but they can be 2 pearl.
- stated by Gordon B. Hinckley, as Prophet, in 2000 or 2001.
5) only get a tattoo if you are polynesian and your cultural heritage commands you to get one
(I can't remember this one, I'm not going to B.S.)
6) to be in a bishopric or higher, the only facial hair permitted is a neatly trimmed mustache above the lips only. May not go below the corners of the mouth.
- this has been an official church policy for years. Churchwide. Many bishopric members were told they either had to trim their goatee down to a stache or get released, or to even be called as one
7) girls have to wear pantyhose to church, naked legs are not allowed (bless that 70 - love pantyose)
- stated by a Presidency of the 70, in a woman's conference, somewhere around 2004-2006.
Very official declarations in large broadcast meetings by the "prophet" or someone speaking as his representative.
Well I'm not gonna spend my Sunday evening Googling Mormon shit, especially since Ms. Evil is feeling particularly randy this evening but I'll throw out one example off the top of my head. The last photo I saw of Gordon Monson (SL Trib sports columnist) he still has his goatee that he's sported for quite a few years...and I think he's still on his stake's high council. Hard to imagine the church would allow such a high profile person to wear chin weed if it's verboten. And fwiw I've NEVER encountered a bishop who allowed masturbation let alone drinking coffee or tea.
Green tea and herbal tea is fine. Which is funny cause they variant say its because of the caffine. Yes you can have soda and energy drinks lol.
Persobally my aunt got special permission to have coffee because It regulated her instead of takibg mutiple medications. So pretty nuch she had a dr note.
And the masturbation thing..... well once your married bushops hace heen told to stay out of the bedroom which is,where quite a few of my lds swinger friends have taken their stand point.
I say live and let live.
If you are a good person. Good things happen. Karma!
RIDETHEHUNT wrote:EVILDOERS wrote:
[quote=JEFFSMITH1972]1) no pool tables
- stated by David O. McKay, as prophet, Not policy but BYU didn't have pool tables til after he died.
2) no playing cards
- stated by Spencer W. Kimball, as prophet, in conference
3) no rated r movies - you know this one.
4) may wear only 2 total earrings, but they can be 2 pearl.
- stated by Gordon B. Hinckley, as Prophet, in 2000 or 2001.
5) only get a tattoo if you are polynesian and your cultural heritage commands you to get one
(I can't remember this one, I'm not going to B.S.)
6) to be in a bishopric or higher, the only facial hair permitted is a neatly trimmed mustache above the lips only. May not go below the corners of the mouth.
- this has been an official church policy for years. Churchwide. Many bishopric members were told they either had to trim their goatee down to a stache or get released, or to even be called as one
7) girls have to wear pantyhose to church, naked legs are not allowed (bless that 70 - love pantyose)
- stated by a Presidency of the 70, in a woman's conference, somewhere around 2004-2006.
Very official declarations in large broadcast meetings by the "prophet" or someone speaking as his representative.
Well I'm not gonna spend my Sunday evening Googling Mormon shit, especially since Ms. Evil is feeling particularly randy this evening but I'll throw out one example off the top of my head. The last photo I saw of Gordon Monson (SL Trib sports columnist) he still has his goatee that he's sported for quite a few years...and I think he's still on his stake's high council. Hard to imagine the church would allow such a high profile person to wear chin weed if it's verboten. And fwiw I've NEVER encountered a bishop who allowed masturbation let alone drinking coffee or tea.
Green tea and herbal tea is fine. Which is funny cause they variant say its because of the caffine. Yes you can have soda and energy drinks lol.
Persobally my aunt got special permission to have coffee because It regulated her instead of takibg mutiple medications. So pretty nuch she had a dr note.
And the masturbation thing..... well once your married bushops hace heen told to stay out of the bedroom which is,where quite a few of my lds swinger friends have taken their stand point.
I say live and let live.
If you are a good person. Good things happen. Karma![/quote]
And rules keep changing year after year. btw Evil: no googling, that's just shit I remember from being a Mormon.
Here's a question. Why Ladders? Was it to get closer to God? And what day does Ladder Day fall on this year? Is it a set date? Or is it like Easter or Thanksgiving? Does every Mormon family HAVE TO own a ladder? What if they live in an apartment? Does everyone in the family have to have their own ladder? Even kids? Cause that's a lot of ladders. On Ladder Day, do the elderly also have to climb a ladder? Cause I could see that being dangerous. Someone could break a hip? Also, do you have to eat off of golden plates on Ladder Day? What if they are too expensive? I know Mitt Romney would be able to afford it, but not a lot of other members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Ladder Day Saints.
Are people with longer ladders considered more holy because they can get closer to God? Does this mean that Firefighters are the most holy members of the church? Was the game shoots and ladders based on doctrine? What is the symbolism of the molasses swamp? Because I always seem to land there. Back to the golden plates...if you can't afford solid ones, can you use paper plates that are gold colored? According some of the earlier posts, you may or may not be able to "flog your bishop". Does that depend on wether or not your bishop likes bdsm? If a parent dies and the surviving parent remarries, does the new spouse have to climb a step-ladder on ladder day? And lastly, if "hot drink" isn't for the belly, what about "hot drinkers"? Can they be for the belly? Perhaps I should stop turning the hose on the missionaries and actually ask them questions. After all they are very nice boys. After I hose them down, if I ask nicely, they usually roll the hose back up for me. Which is really nice of them.
Maybe I should do a M-n-G and I'll bring my word of wisdom book published in 1938 and we can go thru it together and Clear up some of the public lore. Since "vanilla" is just a title that some "lifestyle" another title, people came up with to explain people that they assume don't have a interesting side. What one persons understanding of a lifestyle or religion may not agree with another. An when one learns a secret of another over a personal belief. Most panic do to there understanding of said base of knowledge.
Humans are well know to blow belief out of wack based of there own thought of what they assume right and wrong is.
So to the OP fill good about your friend that they trusted you enough to be open with there secrets in life.
Humans are well know to blow belief out of wack based of there own thought of what they assume right and wrong is.
So to the OP fill good about your friend that they trusted you enough to be open with there secrets in life.
Yeah, my bish said green tea was a 'no-no' too. Probably his way of saying, "See? We're not against caffeine, just hot drinks...well, except for cocoa." Don't know about Swingular but on another swing site we're on there are several 'Christian Swingers' groups.
I take issue with that. I think B.Y. took it to a whole new level and usurped the crown for time and all eternity. Tell me, if YOU were a swinging female (or an early convert to the church) that you could resist that come hither look or the assurance that you would go straight to the Celestial Kingdom (without passing 'Go') if you threw him a little booty.
Always exciting to see non-mormons (or "former" mormons in here) attempting to teach everyone else about mormon doctrine... Because as everyone knows, if you want to learn more about a particular group of people, you should ask a different group of people who HATE that group... you're bound to get the truth that way, right?
But seriously.. you guys are adorable. =)
But seriously.. you guys are adorable. =)
Hate is such a strong word. I like love better. And if you use 'love' in the same context that the church does, as in 'loving (certain) sinners'...and more specifically their kids, so much so that you don't want to cause them pain by letting them get baptized and stuff, well...I LOVE my church (yeah I'm still a Mormon...technically I guess). 
Wow, A simple question of understanding has got turned up side down, and a lot of mental "gymnastics" have got blown out of context that its now getting personal. When it gets personal its time to step back take a deep breath and shake your head and lol at evilsdoers funny comments, or my bad grammer and spelling and move on. People do what people do since its human nature.
I am not saying this to point the finger at anyone at all. But all the responses here have totally given us pause. There are many more fish in the sea. It's no fun to play with someone who has the possibility of self loathing. Perhaps some day soon she will be able to articiulate her beliefs and that will help us understand everything. Thanks everyone for your input.
oh,-BTW, our two posts about "Ladder day" were just our humor. We got a good laugh out of it at least.
oh,-BTW, our two posts about "Ladder day" were just our humor. We got a good laugh out of it at least.
My question is this: Does being Mormon, ex-mormon or a "jack" mormon make you any more attractive?
We are all on here for a reason. I/we try not to judge a person by their cover, getting to know them and what their likes/dislikes are make up the person.
In some way, shape or form we all are messed up and we make the bed we sleep in. Yes some of us "play" more than others and we don't judge, or say we don't. You just have to enjoy the times you do "play" and the memories you will have from these "playdates"
I do have to say that I liked the thread and gave the comments that I agreed with a thumbs up.
My last comment: Can't we all get along, we all look the same with no clothes on, some are just darker, lighter or lumpier than others when the clothes come off. We all choose who we play with and when we play with them.
Thanks for the great read though.
Mr. Mainland
We are all on here for a reason. I/we try not to judge a person by their cover, getting to know them and what their likes/dislikes are make up the person.
In some way, shape or form we all are messed up and we make the bed we sleep in. Yes some of us "play" more than others and we don't judge, or say we don't. You just have to enjoy the times you do "play" and the memories you will have from these "playdates"
I do have to say that I liked the thread and gave the comments that I agreed with a thumbs up.
My last comment: Can't we all get along, we all look the same with no clothes on, some are just darker, lighter or lumpier than others when the clothes come off. We all choose who we play with and when we play with them.
Thanks for the great read though.
Mr. Mainland
Yeah we draw the line at lumpy. But we'll pretty much play with anybody as long as they don't try to convert us. Yep, no more Amway peeps for us. That being said we've played with Mormons (duh!), Catholics, Baptists, Jehovah's Witnesses, Muslims, you name it. It really doesn't matter to us which version of invisible sky wizard they pray to on Sunday. We just enjoy making them yell, "OH GOD!" over and over again on Saturday night. 