We have noticed that Alot of mail that is directed tward us comes from Ither the Male or Feamale half of couples asking to play alone. Or that they Have \"Permition\". We have had a bad experiance in the past with A person who did that, and We found out later the other Half never even Knew.... But Now the other half has found out, and we have learned now they play together, and even go to one of the clubs.But still yet we had to make a Rule that All 4 people actually meet and discuss the issue before it happens. What are others thoughts on the Issue?
Never play with one half of a couple unless you have set down with both partners to ensure that it is ok.
If it is, then it is fine with us. Remember, to each their own.
If it is, then it is fine with us. Remember, to each their own.
Here for a good time, not a long time. If you want to play, play. If it bothers you, then don\'t. Everybody is different. Do what feels right for you.
Totally agree to meet first with both couples, that way you know for sure no one is trying to pull a fast one on you.
After all, who wants to be in the middle of another couples fight?
After all, who wants to be in the middle of another couples fight?
Vindictive significant others can often expose alot more of ones personal life than you may want known when you become the \"other\" person in someones cheating. To avoid bad press, we always make it a point to meet the couple first. Besides... we have made some great friendships that way even though only one of the couple participates.
If you care to dare, then make sure that what you are hearing is the truth. If not, move on.
I think that someone already said that. As for us, no frickin way man. MOST times they are lying, single women as much as single men. Good luck navigating THAT maze!
Luvbugs!
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I think that someone already said that. As for us, no frickin way man. MOST times they are lying, single women as much as single men. Good luck navigating THAT maze!
Luvbugs!
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The Topic of the day seems to be who\'s cheating, whats cheating ...I think the bottom line is clear. If you are not getting to know your partners then you are putting your self at risk as well as your partner. Individuals and couples who agree to share some of their lives with each other for the pure enjoyment of sex should establish some sort of friendship or knowledge of their new partner. I think there is a dark side to everything and thus everyone should be cautious, but please dont generlize all because of certain individuals. If it doesn\'t feel right then back out. On the other hand if it does then enjoy it.......
Sorry for the sermon. ...I have communicated with some very nice couples and still think that all situations are unique On the other hand, If the couple has establish no solo marrieds then with respect to them I don\'t even attempt to contact them.
Merry Cristmas you all
Sorry for the sermon. ...I have communicated with some very nice couples and still think that all situations are unique On the other hand, If the couple has establish no solo marrieds then with respect to them I don\'t even attempt to contact them.
Merry Cristmas you all
What\'s interesting about this whole discussion is that you NEVER KNOW who is who, e.g., We have known couples for several years at clubs who we thought were married. They stay the weekend, play as a couple and seem to be a couple... But we later found out from the guy that they were both married but not to each other. So the couple you meet with may not be who you think they are...anyway. The permission you get from that couple may have nothing to do with the real life situation... In the particular case cited.. His wife was an invalid but did not know that he was out there playing. The lady was also married and her husband did know that she played with this particular man, went to clubs etc. This husband did not want to play outside of his wife.... So I guess I\'ll ask the real question, which is ...what\'s the difference? and how do you know he or she is not cheating? You don\' t and my never know, What is the problem... If they are cheating they lie anyway...or tell half truths... So as someone has already said; If you want to or it feels right then do it, otherwise just don\'t play with that person.
Thats Alosme.. Thanks for the the thoughts.. We dont mind people who \"Call the Kettle black\".
It shows That everyone is differnent and Diverse. If everyone was the Same then this would be a really boring world. And as for the issue, What the Single Male had said really hit hard for me. Alot of the People Ask for it. The person in our story was a female, and the Agresive one.. And to alot of the other coments yes we are alot more safe picking Our playmates. It is a must. We prefure to be meeting at the clubs, but it is Hard with three kids.
Thanks again for your coments.
It shows That everyone is differnent and Diverse. If everyone was the Same then this would be a really boring world. And as for the issue, What the Single Male had said really hit hard for me. Alot of the People Ask for it. The person in our story was a female, and the Agresive one.. And to alot of the other coments yes we are alot more safe picking Our playmates. It is a must. We prefure to be meeting at the clubs, but it is Hard with three kids.Thanks again for your coments.
tall attractive and single.
then where is your photo
are we hiding something
kristylynn
then where is your photo
are we hiding something
kristylynn
We do not play alone, nor do we play with half a couple.....saves alot of future trouble.
We NEVER play with a half couple. This is for several reasons. First, we don\'t believe anyone who has permission. If they really do have permission, great, but we\'d rather err on the side of caution.
Secondly, we have had \'single\' guys who\'ve turned out to have girlfriends and the girls tend to get upset when they find out their boy has been screwing my wife. Never very understanding.
Lastly, someone I knew had his best friend murdered recently. The man was shot 4 times in his bedroom by a jealous boyfriend who had found out his \'ex\' girlfriend was screwing someone else. That\'s not something either me or my wife is interested in dealing with. Double murder is never a good thing, and people commit these kinds of crimes of passion all the time.
People are always welcome to do whatever they like, but i\'m sure most people here agree that those who are \'half couple\' people give swingers a bad name. Swinging isn\'t cheating, it\'s participating with your spouse in new adventures. Cheating is screwing around behind your spouse. This leads to all kinds of complications.
We became swingers to have fun, not to deal with crazy, jealous people and complicated situations. It\'s never fool proof to play with anyone, but we feel playing with \'half couples\' is asking for problems.
Secondly, we have had \'single\' guys who\'ve turned out to have girlfriends and the girls tend to get upset when they find out their boy has been screwing my wife. Never very understanding.
Lastly, someone I knew had his best friend murdered recently. The man was shot 4 times in his bedroom by a jealous boyfriend who had found out his \'ex\' girlfriend was screwing someone else. That\'s not something either me or my wife is interested in dealing with. Double murder is never a good thing, and people commit these kinds of crimes of passion all the time.
People are always welcome to do whatever they like, but i\'m sure most people here agree that those who are \'half couple\' people give swingers a bad name. Swinging isn\'t cheating, it\'s participating with your spouse in new adventures. Cheating is screwing around behind your spouse. This leads to all kinds of complications.
We became swingers to have fun, not to deal with crazy, jealous people and complicated situations. It\'s never fool proof to play with anyone, but we feel playing with \'half couples\' is asking for problems.
There are couples where the husband can no longer perform but the wife still has needs. Is it better for her to slip around or the two of them invite another male to jion them. Some husbands like to watch others don\'t but either way its all in the open. My wife has no sexual interest anylonger (was an active swinger for many years) she approves and has met several couples that I have played with. So what\'s the harm?
Nothing wrong with that. We\'re fine with either as long as the \'non-interested\' spouse is in the room watching. We started swinging with me watching her with other men.
Just wouldn\'t ever consider playing with someone where the other member wasn\'t at least in the same building and aware of what was happening.
Just wouldn\'t ever consider playing with someone where the other member wasn\'t at least in the same building and aware of what was happening.
I have been cheating
lol kristylynn
lol kristylynn
We never play with a solo person from a couple, although we do sometimes run into situations in club atmospheres where we can\'t play with both at the same time, but one always knows what the other is doing and then we try to get the other half \'paid back\'.
For example on New Years Eve we had a couple that the wife gave hubby a blowjob, so to make it fair the other husband will be owed one to make sure the couple is treated fairly. We try our best to not single out an individual from a couple.
For example on New Years Eve we had a couple that the wife gave hubby a blowjob, so to make it fair the other husband will be owed one to make sure the couple is treated fairly. We try our best to not single out an individual from a couple.
Swinging is having sex with people who are not your legal spouses. By definition, having sex with someone who is not your legal spouse is cheating. Therefore all swingers are cheaters, whether or not the spouse knows it. Now, throw that out the window, and label everyone who swings, as cheaters, but ONLY if their spouse does not participate. Don\'t bother to find out if he or she knows, approves, or even suggested it themselves.
Having said that, I am still totally amazed that there are so many narrow-minded folks in this lifestyle. Yes, I completely agree that EVERYONE should know what is going on. I completely DISAGREE that those who play without their spouse\'s participation are automatically defiend as cheaters.
I cannot speak for anyone else, but the fact remains, I don\'t do a thing without my spouse knowing about it. That includes participation in video chat (which she comes to very frequently, just ask anyone who is a regular), e-mailing or chatting with others, meeting, hanging out, or even adult play. If people bothered to get to know me, they would know that. But they knee-jerk and completely eliminate great people like me from their lives, just because they didn\'t bother to look before their leap to label.
If they want to shut me out because I am married and my wife doesn\'t participate, they should go ahead and exercise their right to do so. It doesn\'t bother me a bit. They are perfectly entitled to do so, and I applaud them for that choice.
But they are not allowed to jump to the conclusion that I am \"cheating\" because she doesn\'t play. That\'s grade-school-playground namecalling, slanderous, and beyond immature.
If you don\'t know the circumstances, then you don\'t have the right to go around labeling everyone else. Whoever you are.
Having said that, I am still totally amazed that there are so many narrow-minded folks in this lifestyle. Yes, I completely agree that EVERYONE should know what is going on. I completely DISAGREE that those who play without their spouse\'s participation are automatically defiend as cheaters.
I cannot speak for anyone else, but the fact remains, I don\'t do a thing without my spouse knowing about it. That includes participation in video chat (which she comes to very frequently, just ask anyone who is a regular), e-mailing or chatting with others, meeting, hanging out, or even adult play. If people bothered to get to know me, they would know that. But they knee-jerk and completely eliminate great people like me from their lives, just because they didn\'t bother to look before their leap to label.
If they want to shut me out because I am married and my wife doesn\'t participate, they should go ahead and exercise their right to do so. It doesn\'t bother me a bit. They are perfectly entitled to do so, and I applaud them for that choice.
But they are not allowed to jump to the conclusion that I am \"cheating\" because she doesn\'t play. That\'s grade-school-playground namecalling, slanderous, and beyond immature.
If you don\'t know the circumstances, then you don\'t have the right to go around labeling everyone else. Whoever you are.
AEGIS -
Wow, I think maybe if I said the sky was blue you would argue! You really have to stop freaking out everytime someone disagrees with you.
While we all believe YOUR wife understands and is ok with it, certainly you should be able to concede that there are many men who go behind their wives back and claim that their spouse is \'ok\' with the whole thing. It is those people who we refer to as cheaters, and it is those you should be upset with.
It seems you are very bitter about not being included by some couples. I\'m not sure why you try to pigeon-hole everyone who doesn\'t agree with you into some strange character debate.
It is certainly not cheating to participate in anything that both partners are ok with and are present for. Cheating doesn\'t have to be sexual, but can be. Cheating is a deception against your significant other. It can be as simple as bonding emotionally with another man/woman in a way that marginalizes and replaces your spouse. That is far more dangerous to the honesty and sancitity of a marriage than a couple soft-swapping with another couple.
I suppose if we use your logic, then anyone is a virgin who has not had vaginal intercourse. But everyone knows that oral sex and anal sex are sexual experiences.
I really think you should open your mind to other opinions. Just because it doesn\'t suit your needs doesn\'t make it wrong or bad!
-Mike
Wow, I think maybe if I said the sky was blue you would argue! You really have to stop freaking out everytime someone disagrees with you.
While we all believe YOUR wife understands and is ok with it, certainly you should be able to concede that there are many men who go behind their wives back and claim that their spouse is \'ok\' with the whole thing. It is those people who we refer to as cheaters, and it is those you should be upset with.
It seems you are very bitter about not being included by some couples. I\'m not sure why you try to pigeon-hole everyone who doesn\'t agree with you into some strange character debate.
It is certainly not cheating to participate in anything that both partners are ok with and are present for. Cheating doesn\'t have to be sexual, but can be. Cheating is a deception against your significant other. It can be as simple as bonding emotionally with another man/woman in a way that marginalizes and replaces your spouse. That is far more dangerous to the honesty and sancitity of a marriage than a couple soft-swapping with another couple.
I suppose if we use your logic, then anyone is a virgin who has not had vaginal intercourse. But everyone knows that oral sex and anal sex are sexual experiences.
I really think you should open your mind to other opinions. Just because it doesn\'t suit your needs doesn\'t make it wrong or bad!
-Mike
There are a few out there that cheat, so to be safe, we would only meet if both of them would be there. And then we would go from there. Wouldn\'t want to find out later that it was someone cheating on there mate. Always better to be safe than sorry we say.
D&B
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