On his trip to asia started with a 90 degree bow to an Emperor of a nation that is a figure head and to an emperor of a nation that committed a sneak attack on our country. July 4th 1776 we as a nation stopped bowing to any king, queen, emperor, or sheik. Again zero respect will be given to this president by these leaders and our great nation hangs in the balance. I can see it now you will all attack the lack of respect Bush had around the world but this president is a pussy IMHO. Chinese news papers display a picture of President Obama? with chinese garb, and a tee shirt with you guessed it a picture of Chairman Mao on it. But in fact euro socialism is the key to Barrak Husien Obama.
Neboken-je neyo!
I'll try to be nice, it's very hard to do so with such idiotic statements as this one. I can't blame you I guess because it comes from the wacko rants of people that I'm sure know better but figure their followers (1) lack the intelligence to understand international customs and courtesies and/or (2) are so fixated on hatred of our President they just ignore anything other than what is spewed from the television and radio.
Japan is one of our very close international partners and was rebuilt after the war by the United States. It has become a model for success and I think most people have stopped fighting WWII - even those that fought in the war have returned to Japan and bow to show respect. The Emperor is no longer a "God" however he and his family are very much respected in this country that takes great pride in their heritage. Every US Military Commander in the Pacific that has had any dealing with any Japanese official has bowed in the same manner as President Obama did so I guess they are all weak wimps IYHO too? It's an honor and a way to show respect to the office and the person and last time I checked we're still very good friends the the Nation of Japan. Japan pays the bill for much of our Pacific Fleet in Asia and our bases in their country. Japan is still a part of the "Coalition of Nations" in the war. It was nice to see an American that knows how the bow is done, like our shaking of hands, if done incorrectly is loses its effect (the ol' limp fish hand shake does not go too far and a bow that is little more than a nod of the head shows great disrespect). He did error however in mixing a handshake with a bow (a bit of East meets West I guess). Republican and Democrat Presidents have kissed other men, hugged, held hands, kissed rings, and followed all sorts of other traditional greetings - it's what you do if you wish to put your best foot forward and show proper respect. Respect does not equal agreement or even liking the person; more than one Russian leader has received hand shakes and hugs from our leaders in the past. I guess some still think if you have enough guns you don't need to show respect to anyone however maybe the time has come to learn a bit of manners. Just as an FYI - in an online State Department posting from 2007 (during the Bush administration) titled "Protocol for the Modern Diplomat," envoys are advised to be aware of greeting rituals such as kisses, handshakes or bows and to follow a country's tradition. "Failure to abide with tradition may be interpreted as rudeness or a lack of respect for colleagues,"
As I said I'm sure the broadcaster that started this garbage knows all this - it's just not that hard to look up standard protocol. However using truth is only needed if they were newscasters and not some perversion of journalism looking for something to gain some excitement from those that don't know and/or don't care with more of this trash - more of the same right wing Baka-yaro talk.
New Year's Blessing from Emperor and family - I have no idea what he said but it's one of only two days the public gets to see this part of the Emperor's Palace. In fact most of the people had no idea what he said because much of the blessing was in an old form of Japanese no longer used - or so I was told.
I'll try to be nice, it's very hard to do so with such idiotic statements as this one. I can't blame you I guess because it comes from the wacko rants of people that I'm sure know better but figure their followers (1) lack the intelligence to understand international customs and courtesies and/or (2) are so fixated on hatred of our President they just ignore anything other than what is spewed from the television and radio.
Japan is one of our very close international partners and was rebuilt after the war by the United States. It has become a model for success and I think most people have stopped fighting WWII - even those that fought in the war have returned to Japan and bow to show respect. The Emperor is no longer a "God" however he and his family are very much respected in this country that takes great pride in their heritage. Every US Military Commander in the Pacific that has had any dealing with any Japanese official has bowed in the same manner as President Obama did so I guess they are all weak wimps IYHO too? It's an honor and a way to show respect to the office and the person and last time I checked we're still very good friends the the Nation of Japan. Japan pays the bill for much of our Pacific Fleet in Asia and our bases in their country. Japan is still a part of the "Coalition of Nations" in the war. It was nice to see an American that knows how the bow is done, like our shaking of hands, if done incorrectly is loses its effect (the ol' limp fish hand shake does not go too far and a bow that is little more than a nod of the head shows great disrespect). He did error however in mixing a handshake with a bow (a bit of East meets West I guess). Republican and Democrat Presidents have kissed other men, hugged, held hands, kissed rings, and followed all sorts of other traditional greetings - it's what you do if you wish to put your best foot forward and show proper respect. Respect does not equal agreement or even liking the person; more than one Russian leader has received hand shakes and hugs from our leaders in the past. I guess some still think if you have enough guns you don't need to show respect to anyone however maybe the time has come to learn a bit of manners. Just as an FYI - in an online State Department posting from 2007 (during the Bush administration) titled "Protocol for the Modern Diplomat," envoys are advised to be aware of greeting rituals such as kisses, handshakes or bows and to follow a country's tradition. "Failure to abide with tradition may be interpreted as rudeness or a lack of respect for colleagues,"
As I said I'm sure the broadcaster that started this garbage knows all this - it's just not that hard to look up standard protocol. However using truth is only needed if they were newscasters and not some perversion of journalism looking for something to gain some excitement from those that don't know and/or don't care with more of this trash - more of the same right wing Baka-yaro talk.
New Year's Blessing from Emperor and family - I have no idea what he said but it's one of only two days the public gets to see this part of the Emperor's Palace. In fact most of the people had no idea what he said because much of the blessing was in an old form of Japanese no longer used - or so I was told.
#1 I dont hate anyone.
#2 I know foreign customs.
#3 Please name the last President of the United states to bow to any foreign leader.
#4 Attacking the messanger explains more about you.
"Japan is one of our very close international partners and was rebuilt after the war by the United States."
They should bow to us, All of us. By the way I have been there 9 times and spent 9 months stationed there. So please dont attempt to call me ignorant to foreign policy. You Bow for respect the deeper the bow the more respect. A custom of their people and never the custom of the Office of the President. A hand shake and a knod of the head would have been much more presidential.
#2 I know foreign customs.
#3 Please name the last President of the United states to bow to any foreign leader.
#4 Attacking the messanger explains more about you.
"Japan is one of our very close international partners and was rebuilt after the war by the United States."
They should bow to us, All of us. By the way I have been there 9 times and spent 9 months stationed there. So please dont attempt to call me ignorant to foreign policy. You Bow for respect the deeper the bow the more respect. A custom of their people and never the custom of the Office of the President. A hand shake and a knod of the head would have been much more presidential.
Lots of Americans have spent time here and other places around the world and lots go home with the same attitude - their loss. You're correct that the bow is a Asian custom and not a requirement of a president. You seem to support the idea that for us to show respect using the custom of the country we visit is somehow a sign a weakness or the world owes us and should be kissing our feet or at least "they should bow to us." You're not alone in this ethnocentric and arrogant thought process. Noting anyone says will change that attitude so enjoy your disillusion of grander. I would guess you give a pass on President Bush kissing Egyptian leaders and holding hands as more presidential than bowing - I guess it's all a mater of perception.
Funny thing is for the most part Riderz is wrong - when given a chance and when anyone takes the time to respect the local host country most people of the world don't have us on their shit list. On the local level most people have less concern with politics and more concern with the things we have in common - family, friends, work, and fun. A beer and some fish grilled while fishing off the seawall, pictures of the kids, and smile at the good looking ladies, laughing together with strangers that are now friends - it could be on a bridge in Key West or down the street from our house in Okinawa.
Oh - BTW, I don't think you're "ignorant to foreign policy" - your words and attitude scream it for all to see.
Max
The best fish come from the sea and into the pan - a bit a beer, some good sake, and laughter - there is a common language in the world if one just takes the time to show respect and have fun.
Funny thing is for the most part Riderz is wrong - when given a chance and when anyone takes the time to respect the local host country most people of the world don't have us on their shit list. On the local level most people have less concern with politics and more concern with the things we have in common - family, friends, work, and fun. A beer and some fish grilled while fishing off the seawall, pictures of the kids, and smile at the good looking ladies, laughing together with strangers that are now friends - it could be on a bridge in Key West or down the street from our house in Okinawa.
Oh - BTW, I don't think you're "ignorant to foreign policy" - your words and attitude scream it for all to see.
Max
The best fish come from the sea and into the pan - a bit a beer, some good sake, and laughter - there is a common language in the world if one just takes the time to show respect and have fun.
The perception that I disliked my visits to Japan is truly idiotic. I loved it there and had a blast. No and not in a service mans way either. I really enjoyed learning their customs and their extremely wonderful history and love for life. The bustling cities and the movement of people is extraordinary. It is amazing that you seem to take exception not that I criticize the president but Japan. I in no way would do such a thing. I stood at their ground zero and welled up at the prospect that some day it may be our turn. That was in 1976. As I said or should have said while in Japan never look at their feet while bowing, in tradition your head should remain up looking into their eyes not their feet as President Obama did.
Funny thing is the one thing that sets apart Westerners is their great need to keep an eye on the person when they bow - to many it's an insult and no - keeping the head up is not the correct way to bow in Japan (How to bow in Japan). To lower one's eyes historically has been not only a sign of respect but also one of trust. As to your perception of Japan it's hard to not get a poor impression when you say "They should bow to us, All of us." That just doesn't sound like someone that has fond memories of the people but maybe you just have a strange expectations of those you like. It should not be that strange that I take more of an exception of you criticizing Japan than our President. For the most part your rants on Obama, like those of the Tea Baggers, Beck, and Rush are expected and for the most part tossed aside as so much chatter with little merit. You don't like him as president, his policy, his ideas - I get it. However your initial statement about being upset because our president showed respect to "Emperor of a nation that is a figure head and to an emperor of a nation that committed a sneak attack on our country" sounds like a slam on a nation that has been a strong supporter of our military and a good friends our our country.
As to going to Peace Park - did you get the point that all countries that still hold such weapons are on the wrong path and there is no victory for anyone in the use of such weapons? No people in the world know more than those that felt the pain of the atomic age just how much we need to find other ways to solve our problems. I did not walk away with the idea or fear that it "may be our turn" someday. I found more in the idea that war is not a good solution to anything and the cost of war is paid by more than just the members of the military. The name of the memorial says it all and it isn't "Fear the Bomb" or even "Look What They Did to Us" but only "Peace."
As to going to Peace Park - did you get the point that all countries that still hold such weapons are on the wrong path and there is no victory for anyone in the use of such weapons? No people in the world know more than those that felt the pain of the atomic age just how much we need to find other ways to solve our problems. I did not walk away with the idea or fear that it "may be our turn" someday. I found more in the idea that war is not a good solution to anything and the cost of war is paid by more than just the members of the military. The name of the memorial says it all and it isn't "Fear the Bomb" or even "Look What They Did to Us" but only "Peace."
""They should bow to us, All of us." That just doesn't sound like someone that has fond memories of the people but maybe you just have a strange expectations of those you like. It should not be that strange that I take more of an exception of you criticizing Japan than our President. For the most part your rants on Obama, like those of the Tea Baggers, Beck, and Rush are expected and for the most part tossed aside as so much chatter with little merit. You don't like him as president, his policy, his ideas - I get it. However your initial statement about being upset because our president showed respect to "Emperor of a nation that is a figure head and to an emperor of a nation that committed a sneak attack on our country" sounds like a slam on a nation that has been a strong supporter of our military and a good friends our our country."
In relooking at my post I realize that it seemed insensitive. However the errors and the pain of the Japanese people remind me that alot of people beleive now some 60+ years later that it is all Americas fault, we are to blame. For the battles fought and the end battles fought for the will of those who would not stop. We remember the days the bombs were dropped but we forget the battles fought before they were dropped. Pearl, Mid-way, Mariana's,Guam, Philipines I and II,Iwo Jima, Okinawa,The Japanese people are forgiven I must say. The battles no matter the origins no matter the reasons why we can both agree that war is an ugly event. A soldier hates war and treats it as no shrine of victory. I look at Peace Park as a monument of mankinds stupidity. But knowing of the carnage of the afore mentioned battles the events at Nagasaki, and Heroshima saved countless American and Japanese LIVES.
"As to going to Peace Park - did you get the point that all countries that still hold such weapons are on the wrong path and there is no victory for anyone in the use of such weapons? No people in the world know more than those that felt the pain of the atomic age just how much we need to find other ways to solve our problems. I did not walk away with the idea or fear that it "may be our turn" someday. I found more in the idea that war is not a good solution to anything and the cost of war is paid by more than just the members of the military. The name of the memorial says it all and it isn't "Fear the Bomb" or even "Look What They Did to Us" but only "Peace." "
Agreed, but being alone in giving them up will be our end. Your analogy is right on, pass it along to our enemies.
In relooking at my post I realize that it seemed insensitive. However the errors and the pain of the Japanese people remind me that alot of people beleive now some 60+ years later that it is all Americas fault, we are to blame. For the battles fought and the end battles fought for the will of those who would not stop. We remember the days the bombs were dropped but we forget the battles fought before they were dropped. Pearl, Mid-way, Mariana's,Guam, Philipines I and II,Iwo Jima, Okinawa,The Japanese people are forgiven I must say. The battles no matter the origins no matter the reasons why we can both agree that war is an ugly event. A soldier hates war and treats it as no shrine of victory. I look at Peace Park as a monument of mankinds stupidity. But knowing of the carnage of the afore mentioned battles the events at Nagasaki, and Heroshima saved countless American and Japanese LIVES.
"As to going to Peace Park - did you get the point that all countries that still hold such weapons are on the wrong path and there is no victory for anyone in the use of such weapons? No people in the world know more than those that felt the pain of the atomic age just how much we need to find other ways to solve our problems. I did not walk away with the idea or fear that it "may be our turn" someday. I found more in the idea that war is not a good solution to anything and the cost of war is paid by more than just the members of the military. The name of the memorial says it all and it isn't "Fear the Bomb" or even "Look What They Did to Us" but only "Peace." "
Agreed, but being alone in giving them up will be our end. Your analogy is right on, pass it along to our enemies.
Finding a place of agreement is a good thing on this Thanksgiving Day and I do agree with you that there are some that forget the facts that went before the event that ended the war. I think that is one of the things that surprised me about Japan. While they seem to have erased the war years from their history books, when talking to most of them they see the events that moved their country to war as the cause of all that came after. They understand how easy it was to wrap the lives of so many around the chant of nationalism and get caught up in war. I find too many Americans forget that for the most part all countries have histories that cause all of us to continue to pay the price for the past misdeeds in systemic hate and distrust. There is no simple right or wrong and rare is their a clear victory.
If you need a current example of how hard it is to call winners in war just look at Viet Nam. They held out against Japan in WWII, when the French returned to take control they kicked their French asses out of Southeast Asia. We only looked at the idea that those that took back their country had political ties to Communism and so we slowly started down the path of war. We never took time to figure out the people or understand the nation. Over 50,000 American lives later the status quo from after WWII was reestablished and here we are in 2009 with our Navy ships pulling into port in Viet Nam working on joint military ventures, the Navy Exchange is stocked with products made in Viet Nam, and the beaches and harbors we once mined and bombed have hotels offering military discounts to us. We "lost" the war but years later "all" that was lost was the lives of the brave men and women that served.
Maybe a bit more time bowing and showing a bit of respect on all sides would make the world a better place. We can not change the hate that is spewed from some of our enemies but we can find a better path to victory than war that just keeps the hate alive.
If you need a current example of how hard it is to call winners in war just look at Viet Nam. They held out against Japan in WWII, when the French returned to take control they kicked their French asses out of Southeast Asia. We only looked at the idea that those that took back their country had political ties to Communism and so we slowly started down the path of war. We never took time to figure out the people or understand the nation. Over 50,000 American lives later the status quo from after WWII was reestablished and here we are in 2009 with our Navy ships pulling into port in Viet Nam working on joint military ventures, the Navy Exchange is stocked with products made in Viet Nam, and the beaches and harbors we once mined and bombed have hotels offering military discounts to us. We "lost" the war but years later "all" that was lost was the lives of the brave men and women that served.
Maybe a bit more time bowing and showing a bit of respect on all sides would make the world a better place. We can not change the hate that is spewed from some of our enemies but we can find a better path to victory than war that just keeps the hate alive.
Four Presidents presided over the Viet Nam war. 10 long years that ate away at the resolve to win. Our troops never lost a battle in the field, they lost the battle on main street America. Communism was eventually turned inside out with scurmishes and the cost of those scurmishes.America bled them dry, remembering that soviet style communism was brutal and a totalitarian style of governing. The French resolve was weak and indeed scratched their heads when they found that America would take on the mantal of defending the So. Vietnamese. Wars of attrition are never won and our attempt to do so was in the end the wrong stratagy. We are now seeing a rerun of such images from Afghanistan. I said long ago this is where we would end up. This must not return to a police action, and we must call it what it is, A WAR, and we must fight it as one. Not a war of "hatred" as you call it but a war for our ideals and our very right to exist.
Surrender has now started to surface in many circles. We will one day come to regret it.I called a war of LOVE not hatred. I love my country and I look for the day when I can move freely in my country once again. I look for the day when I can speak against and question my government with boldness as promised by our founders.The war of hatred is here and now. My beleifs and my right to speak out is now in question.I question the moves and instead of reason, I get Racist, Idiot and unamerican in return.
"Maybe a bit more time bowing and showing a bit of respect on all sides would make the world a better place. We can not change the hate that is spewed from some of our enemies but we can find a better path to victory than war that just keeps the hate alive."
They hated us long before they declared war on us. We tried to appease them, we even helped them defeat a common enemy. Never turn your back on someone you just cant trust. Call it a lesson learned. You are correct in that we can never win this thing as we are currently fighting it. We must send everything we can muster, we must make it impossible for them to move freely against the Afghan people. We must put the fear of their own God against them.
This thread is an example on how the polotical forums should be. I want to thank you swingtide for your respect and you willingness to discuss. I would like to wish you and your family a very Happy & Safe Thanksgiving. If you get the chance say hey to the fine Marines stationed there in Okinawa for me.
Surrender has now started to surface in many circles. We will one day come to regret it.I called a war of LOVE not hatred. I love my country and I look for the day when I can move freely in my country once again. I look for the day when I can speak against and question my government with boldness as promised by our founders.The war of hatred is here and now. My beleifs and my right to speak out is now in question.I question the moves and instead of reason, I get Racist, Idiot and unamerican in return.
"Maybe a bit more time bowing and showing a bit of respect on all sides would make the world a better place. We can not change the hate that is spewed from some of our enemies but we can find a better path to victory than war that just keeps the hate alive."
They hated us long before they declared war on us. We tried to appease them, we even helped them defeat a common enemy. Never turn your back on someone you just cant trust. Call it a lesson learned. You are correct in that we can never win this thing as we are currently fighting it. We must send everything we can muster, we must make it impossible for them to move freely against the Afghan people. We must put the fear of their own God against them.
This thread is an example on how the polotical forums should be. I want to thank you swingtide for your respect and you willingness to discuss. I would like to wish you and your family a very Happy & Safe Thanksgiving. If you get the chance say hey to the fine Marines stationed there in Okinawa for me.
Thanks - we may not agree on all things but rare is it that I find anyone I agree with on all things. I see the Marines every day - a few of them are the parents of my kids and we often have them in as volunteers. Like all those in uniform they always make me proud to have served and to serve again. They are now at the Exchange collecting for Toys-for-Tots so anyone that wants to help the USMC all you have to do is find a place that is collecting for the program or go to USMC Toys for Tots
Thanksgiving is over - Black Friday is here - let the Christmas Season begin!
Thanksgiving is over - Black Friday is here - let the Christmas Season begin!
The United States Marines...Just a few Good Men, What a great cause, we give every year.
For Swingtide, If bowing is ok then why didn't obama bow to the Queen of England? England is more of an ally than japan.
The bow, as done in Japan, is not the same cultural tradition in England other than the bow to royalty. The bow is not done by those that are not under the guardianship of the Royals (citizens living under the British Flag) and for the president to bow as he did in Japan would have been error in proper etiquette (just as he would not kiss the Emperor of Japan as someone might do when greeting someone if France). He did give a proper handshake and a respectful (for England) slight bend of the body. The difference in culture here in Japan is night and day to the custom of done in England. When you leave a gas station or order a Big Mac you get bowed to as a sign of showing respect to you as a customer (in the USA and you're lucky if some workers even acknowledge your presence or speak your language). Here at late night you can go to the subway/train station and watch as people are dropped of by friends they may have been visiting - before anyone leaves someone gets out of the car or taxi and a game of "bobbing bodies" is done while saying goodbye.
Even within our own country, as blended as we are, there are regional behaviors that a respectful person is wise to follow if s/he wants to be considered anything but a naive by those that live in the region. It's bit like a tourist out on the dune line of the beach in your area (what hasn't had a condo built on it) and pulling out the sea oats saying "Dang - this stuff looks just like the wheat we grow back on the farm in Nebraska." Pulling some "weeds" out of the ground back home may not have even raised an eyebrow but on dune line in Florida it would mark the person as a destructive tourist or worse. Come to Key West and say how much you respect the "Conch Lifestyle" but pronounce the word "conCH" and not "Konk" you will see a roll of the eyes as you have branded yourself as one that has not taken the time to learn the very basic local lingo and not someone that has any level of respect for the local traditions.
Business leaders as well as political leaders should and do spend time to be respectful of proper local customs (and still end up with five to ten toes in the mouth very often when out of their comfort area). Anyone that travels and wants to be accepted by those that live in the place you visit should try and do the same as much as possible - a little bit of effort goes a long way. Regretfully many fail to do this both regionally in our country and more so in international travel.
Even within our own country, as blended as we are, there are regional behaviors that a respectful person is wise to follow if s/he wants to be considered anything but a naive by those that live in the region. It's bit like a tourist out on the dune line of the beach in your area (what hasn't had a condo built on it) and pulling out the sea oats saying "Dang - this stuff looks just like the wheat we grow back on the farm in Nebraska." Pulling some "weeds" out of the ground back home may not have even raised an eyebrow but on dune line in Florida it would mark the person as a destructive tourist or worse. Come to Key West and say how much you respect the "Conch Lifestyle" but pronounce the word "conCH" and not "Konk" you will see a roll of the eyes as you have branded yourself as one that has not taken the time to learn the very basic local lingo and not someone that has any level of respect for the local traditions.
Business leaders as well as political leaders should and do spend time to be respectful of proper local customs (and still end up with five to ten toes in the mouth very often when out of their comfort area). Anyone that travels and wants to be accepted by those that live in the place you visit should try and do the same as much as possible - a little bit of effort goes a long way. Regretfully many fail to do this both regionally in our country and more so in international travel.
The most informal bow is a bend of about 15 degrees for a casual greeting. In casual daily life situations, bowing is often a nod of the head. The most common type of bow is done to a 30-degree angle to greet customers or to thank someone. It's often seen in Japanese business situations. A more formal way of bowing is performed to a 45-degree angle looking down at your feet. This type of bow signifies deep gratitude, a respectful greeting, a formal apology, asking for favors, and so on.
The clown went a full 90 Degrees.
The clown went a full 90 Degrees.
Maybe you need to check your math again on the bow - while the form was not up to local standards (he stuck his rear too far back to balance himself and his hands were not by his side). It looked as if he was doing an East meets West thing with the bow/handshake combo. So if you agree that the 45 degree bow is to show respect than I guess the boss did good (other than the rear and handshake)
We stopped Bowing circa 1776. The leader of the greatest nation on earth bows to no one. LOL
No we didn't stop bowing - we stopped bowing because we had to bow - we now do so without oppression or reservation to show we're a part of the civilized world and can respect the customs and courtesies of other nations and people. You might notice the Emperor is shaking Obama's hand - a Western custom that is based on a person exposing themselves to harm by extending the hand that would most often holds a weapon (us lefties were able attack and shake - never trust a southpaw). Should the President not shake hands with anyone for fear that it might show weakness or at least always wait for the other person to extend his or her hand first? The military salute is the same (coming from the same concept of placing yourself vulnerable to attack) so I guess our men and women in uniform are "weak" because the stand at attention and salute the host nation's anthem and flag just as they do our own flag and anthem? (Come on over and tell our Marines that and see how far it gets you). Respect shown without threat or coercion is never a sign of weakness, in fact it is the weak that fear stepping outside the normal comfort zone.
Swingtide...Are you guys ok? All this time I cant believe we have not said a word or asked about your well being. We certainly hope you are OK. I can not even imagine what the Japanese people are going through.I you need anything let us know.
Just sent $100. to the Red Cross. Sorry wish it could be more.
Just sent $100. to the Red Cross. Sorry wish it could be more.
"So, if you are such a great American. Why do you continue to bash, insult, derail, the President of the United States?"
I will point out that the only one derailing this President is this President. I don't insult him I point out his errors. And I don't bash him I call him on his politics.
And our founding fathers had disagreements all the time and they never hesitated in giving their opinion.
Insult you? Never. I will wait to return in kind.
I will point out that the only one derailing this President is this President. I don't insult him I point out his errors. And I don't bash him I call him on his politics.
And our founding fathers had disagreements all the time and they never hesitated in giving their opinion.
Insult you? Never. I will wait to return in kind.