I have come across numerous allusions to the belief that one result of the election should be the elimination of the prevalent use of
You cannot expect me to change my opinion of black people on my own. You need to make me change it. How? well, remember the Jap Crap we had years ago? Where is that Jap Crap today? Doing so well that the Big 2.5 are in trouble. How did that happen? They didn't say "You have to treat me as an equal.". They STFU and built themselves up, plain and simple. If you are uncomfortable with the word "nigger", ask yourself why? If it is because it refers to something bad in the past, perhaps it is YOUR duty to make sure it is not true anymore. There was a time a black man had no place in a professional sports team. Today, the white man is a minority. Bottom line is if I want a nasty opinion of me changed, it is my job to change it not your job to change your opinion of me. If the average black person is wealthier than the average white person, what meaning is there if you call the black man "nigger"?
AKLIM69,
If your opinion of someone is founded in pure ignorance and bigotry, it's up to you to change your opinion and not expect someone to change their skin color or the fact that they we oppressed for over 400 years. How is one to change their past or their skin tone? It would indeed be your job to educate yourself and open your mind as the one with the racist "opinion". The only excuse for bigotry is if you are intolerant of bigotry. To hate someone for innate traits has no justification, save ignorance.
I can bet you anything that if someone turned you down on a contract, because you were Oriental, you'd be the first to fuckin say something, so spare us your delusions of grandeur. We don't need to hear your rants about how much more righteous and right you are, because you tolerate unethical business practices and racism, because we know it's bullshit.
-D-
If your opinion of someone is founded in pure ignorance and bigotry, it's up to you to change your opinion and not expect someone to change their skin color or the fact that they we oppressed for over 400 years. How is one to change their past or their skin tone? It would indeed be your job to educate yourself and open your mind as the one with the racist "opinion". The only excuse for bigotry is if you are intolerant of bigotry. To hate someone for innate traits has no justification, save ignorance.
I can bet you anything that if someone turned you down on a contract, because you were Oriental, you'd be the first to fuckin say something, so spare us your delusions of grandeur. We don't need to hear your rants about how much more righteous and right you are, because you tolerate unethical business practices and racism, because we know it's bullshit.
-D-
Posted By: TEQUILAROSE Reply posted on:
Nov 27, 2008 - 11:33 am
AKLIM69,
If your opinion of someone is founded in pure ignorance and bigotry, it's up to you to change your opinion and not expect someone to change their skin color or the fact that they we oppressed for over 400 years. How is one to change their past or their skin tone? It would indeed be your job to educate yourself and open your mind as the one with the racist "opinion". The only excuse for bigotry is if you are intolerant of bigotry. To hate someone for innate traits has no justification, save ignorance.
I can bet you anything that if someone turned you down on a contract, because you were Oriental, you'd be the first to fuckin say something, so spare us your delusions of grandeur. We don't need to hear your rants about how much more righteous and right you are, because you tolerate unethical business practices and racism, because we know it's bullshit.
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It doesn't matter what my opinion is formed in. That is totally irrelevant. If I hold the opinion that native Americans are a bunch of drunks living on reservations, why is it my job to change that bad opinion? Show me that native Americans on reservations don't have a higher incidence of alcoholism percentage wise. If you do that, I can still go on spouting that native Americans on reservations are drunks but what water will it hold? People will laugh at my "facts" when it is proven that they are the past and not the present? If I say black people are stupid when it is a fact that the black people have a higher level of achievement than the white man, who, besides the Klan will listen to me? OTOH, if what I say is true, won't I have a larger audience? So no, you cannot change history. What you can change is the present and the future. You cannot change the fact that your ancestors were this, that or the other. You CAN change your present and your future. IF you change that, whatever I say will be meaningless except to the few insignificant. Further to that, IF you could change your present and future, what does it matter what I say since that is no longer what you are? IF native Americans on the reservations are not swamped with alcoholism, what does it matter if I refuse to change my opinion of them? Who will listen to my not so true facts? As such, I maintain it is up to you, the offended to show me that what I am saying about you is not true. Other than that, there is no other way to shut the person up.
Don, do me a favor and spare me YOUR bullshit. Your abusive/acerbic tone combined with your seemingly confident predictions are really good for intimidating many. It won't work with me. OF course I could be wrong and you are little more than a hooligan redneck. Still, I like to give you the benefit of the doubt and guess that it is your way of making others see things your way. You know NOTHING of me or what I will do or won't do so tell me how you KNOW what I will do if I were rejected based on my race? Tell you what, when you can tell me you know about Bumiputra we can talk about how I will react to rejection based on race. I lived with Bumiputra around me. Come back and feel free to tell me you understand what it is about then make predictions based on what you know not what you think you know. In the meantime, stick to trying to intimidate others into your way of thinking but don't try it with me. It won't work.
Nov 27, 2008 - 11:33 am
AKLIM69,
If your opinion of someone is founded in pure ignorance and bigotry, it's up to you to change your opinion and not expect someone to change their skin color or the fact that they we oppressed for over 400 years. How is one to change their past or their skin tone? It would indeed be your job to educate yourself and open your mind as the one with the racist "opinion". The only excuse for bigotry is if you are intolerant of bigotry. To hate someone for innate traits has no justification, save ignorance.
I can bet you anything that if someone turned you down on a contract, because you were Oriental, you'd be the first to fuckin say something, so spare us your delusions of grandeur. We don't need to hear your rants about how much more righteous and right you are, because you tolerate unethical business practices and racism, because we know it's bullshit.
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It doesn't matter what my opinion is formed in. That is totally irrelevant. If I hold the opinion that native Americans are a bunch of drunks living on reservations, why is it my job to change that bad opinion? Show me that native Americans on reservations don't have a higher incidence of alcoholism percentage wise. If you do that, I can still go on spouting that native Americans on reservations are drunks but what water will it hold? People will laugh at my "facts" when it is proven that they are the past and not the present? If I say black people are stupid when it is a fact that the black people have a higher level of achievement than the white man, who, besides the Klan will listen to me? OTOH, if what I say is true, won't I have a larger audience? So no, you cannot change history. What you can change is the present and the future. You cannot change the fact that your ancestors were this, that or the other. You CAN change your present and your future. IF you change that, whatever I say will be meaningless except to the few insignificant. Further to that, IF you could change your present and future, what does it matter what I say since that is no longer what you are? IF native Americans on the reservations are not swamped with alcoholism, what does it matter if I refuse to change my opinion of them? Who will listen to my not so true facts? As such, I maintain it is up to you, the offended to show me that what I am saying about you is not true. Other than that, there is no other way to shut the person up.
Don, do me a favor and spare me YOUR bullshit. Your abusive/acerbic tone combined with your seemingly confident predictions are really good for intimidating many. It won't work with me. OF course I could be wrong and you are little more than a hooligan redneck. Still, I like to give you the benefit of the doubt and guess that it is your way of making others see things your way. You know NOTHING of me or what I will do or won't do so tell me how you KNOW what I will do if I were rejected based on my race? Tell you what, when you can tell me you know about Bumiputra we can talk about how I will react to rejection based on race. I lived with Bumiputra around me. Come back and feel free to tell me you understand what it is about then make predictions based on what you know not what you think you know. In the meantime, stick to trying to intimidate others into your way of thinking but don't try it with me. It won't work.
Posted By: T4REAL69 Reply posted on:
Nov 27, 2008 - 11:04 am
AKLIM69
Trying to follow your logic is difficult at best, however your belief that someone must change your mind is deeply flawed. If you have ever studied anything on change you would know that change is an internal process that is affected by external factors.
No one can change or make another change. One has to invite change, seek ways to implement that change and sincerely invest in it to make it true change.
I do agree that it is up to the individual to present their self in a postive manner if they want to be thought of in a postive manner but that is another issue all to itself.
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But that is my point. YOU must provide the external factor. When you do, what choice will I have but to change my mind? Lets take an apartment block for instance. If there are many druggies, hookers, etc, etc and I say "People who live in that block are a waste of skin.". You may say "Wait. There are a few that are not like that.". What will it do? Probably not much to change my mind. OTOH, if you cleaned up that block and I still made that claim, what water would it hold? At that point, who would listen to me? Probably nobody of any consequence. I'd be laughed at whenever I said that. So, what else is left as choices? I can either re-evaluate the situation or just go on being a laughing stock.
If I were to tell you that the black person has no place in professional sports, what do you think the reaction would be? How credible could I be if I said that? All you would have to do is show me how "black" the teams are in professional sports. Most people in that position would have to re-evaluate their ideas. Of course, there will be a few die-hards that will not change their mind even if you put a gun to their head but the rest will change. OTOH, if you are going to tell me I have to change my mind because it is not right to discriminate but show me nothing in the form of an external factor, well, it won't get you very far, now will it?
Similar to that, a group needs to present itself in the manner they wish to be judged.
Nov 27, 2008 - 11:04 am
AKLIM69
Trying to follow your logic is difficult at best, however your belief that someone must change your mind is deeply flawed. If you have ever studied anything on change you would know that change is an internal process that is affected by external factors.
No one can change or make another change. One has to invite change, seek ways to implement that change and sincerely invest in it to make it true change.
I do agree that it is up to the individual to present their self in a postive manner if they want to be thought of in a postive manner but that is another issue all to itself.
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But that is my point. YOU must provide the external factor. When you do, what choice will I have but to change my mind? Lets take an apartment block for instance. If there are many druggies, hookers, etc, etc and I say "People who live in that block are a waste of skin.". You may say "Wait. There are a few that are not like that.". What will it do? Probably not much to change my mind. OTOH, if you cleaned up that block and I still made that claim, what water would it hold? At that point, who would listen to me? Probably nobody of any consequence. I'd be laughed at whenever I said that. So, what else is left as choices? I can either re-evaluate the situation or just go on being a laughing stock.
If I were to tell you that the black person has no place in professional sports, what do you think the reaction would be? How credible could I be if I said that? All you would have to do is show me how "black" the teams are in professional sports. Most people in that position would have to re-evaluate their ideas. Of course, there will be a few die-hards that will not change their mind even if you put a gun to their head but the rest will change. OTOH, if you are going to tell me I have to change my mind because it is not right to discriminate but show me nothing in the form of an external factor, well, it won't get you very far, now will it?
Similar to that, a group needs to present itself in the manner they wish to be judged.
It doesn't matter what my opinion is formed in. That is totally irrelevant. If I hold the opinion that native Americans are a bunch of drunks living on reservations, why is it my job to change that bad opinion? Show me that native Americans on reservations don't have a higher incidence of alcoholism percentage wise.
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That right there just proves your ignnorance. Show us your study of Natives and Alcoholism. Even if it were true that they have a high percentage of alcoholism on reservations, that doesn't make all Natives alcoholics. It wouldn't be up to me to disprove or educate your ignorant beliefs.
If I thought all the rumors were true that all orientals had baby dicks, would it be up to you to take photos of the majority of male orientals in the world, in an attempt to disprove my belief? Should we all just assume you have a toddler penis because you are oriental? After all, I've seen some oriental porn and have yet to see an oriental dude that packs more than 3 inches. So, by your logic I should assume you're hung like a gerbil???
-D-
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That right there just proves your ignnorance. Show us your study of Natives and Alcoholism. Even if it were true that they have a high percentage of alcoholism on reservations, that doesn't make all Natives alcoholics. It wouldn't be up to me to disprove or educate your ignorant beliefs.
If I thought all the rumors were true that all orientals had baby dicks, would it be up to you to take photos of the majority of male orientals in the world, in an attempt to disprove my belief? Should we all just assume you have a toddler penis because you are oriental? After all, I've seen some oriental porn and have yet to see an oriental dude that packs more than 3 inches. So, by your logic I should assume you're hung like a gerbil???
-D-
Posted By: TEQUILAROSE Reply posted on:
Nov 28, 2008 - 1:38 am
Show us your study of Natives and Alcoholism.
Even if it were true that they have a high percentage of alcoholism on reservations, that doesn't make all Natives alcoholics. It wouldn't be up to me to disprove or educate your ignorant beliefs.
So, by your logic I should assume you're hung like a gerbil???
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Thank you for proving my point. If what I said was untrue and you issued that challenge, IOW, put up or get out, what else could I say now? Try being me for a minute and see what argument you can come out with. THAT'S my point. OTOH, if the reservations are rampant with alcoholism, what can you say? If you (as a people) don't like where it is going, you need to change the reservation, right? When you do, what does that do to my argument?
IF it were true then you need to go back and clean house or just accept the rubbish I heap on you. Your choice. IF it were true that there is a high percentage of alcoholism on reservations, it doesn't make all Natives alcoholics. It just means the odds of a Native on a reservation being an alcoholic is higher. IOW, when I say it, I am likely to be right more often than not. Like I said, if you don't like the stereotype of the reservation Native being an alcoholic, go clean up your own house. If you succeed, it deflates my argument and you, as a group get further. If not, well, "If the glove doesn't fit, you must acquit."
Yes. I don't care why you think that. I don't care if it is what your grandfather told you or what you saw in movies. If I don't like it, it is my job to find the studies to disprove you and make you STFU. If I cannot, sucks to be me then. Unlike you, I don't feel I need to do the foot stamping routine in the kiddie playground and shout "It's not true. Take it back.". I try to do it the more adult way and prove it to you. At which time, the ball is in your court. Either you will prove me wrong or you will accept it or you will go on making a fool of yourself to others. It's YOUR call what you wish to do when I present you with the facts. OTOH, if you want to stamp your foot and scream as loud as you can, like I said, you can intimidate some but not all and you can make a fool of yourself.
Nov 28, 2008 - 1:38 am
Show us your study of Natives and Alcoholism.
Even if it were true that they have a high percentage of alcoholism on reservations, that doesn't make all Natives alcoholics. It wouldn't be up to me to disprove or educate your ignorant beliefs.
So, by your logic I should assume you're hung like a gerbil???
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Thank you for proving my point. If what I said was untrue and you issued that challenge, IOW, put up or get out, what else could I say now? Try being me for a minute and see what argument you can come out with. THAT'S my point. OTOH, if the reservations are rampant with alcoholism, what can you say? If you (as a people) don't like where it is going, you need to change the reservation, right? When you do, what does that do to my argument?
IF it were true then you need to go back and clean house or just accept the rubbish I heap on you. Your choice. IF it were true that there is a high percentage of alcoholism on reservations, it doesn't make all Natives alcoholics. It just means the odds of a Native on a reservation being an alcoholic is higher. IOW, when I say it, I am likely to be right more often than not. Like I said, if you don't like the stereotype of the reservation Native being an alcoholic, go clean up your own house. If you succeed, it deflates my argument and you, as a group get further. If not, well, "If the glove doesn't fit, you must acquit."
Yes. I don't care why you think that. I don't care if it is what your grandfather told you or what you saw in movies. If I don't like it, it is my job to find the studies to disprove you and make you STFU. If I cannot, sucks to be me then. Unlike you, I don't feel I need to do the foot stamping routine in the kiddie playground and shout "It's not true. Take it back.". I try to do it the more adult way and prove it to you. At which time, the ball is in your court. Either you will prove me wrong or you will accept it or you will go on making a fool of yourself to others. It's YOUR call what you wish to do when I present you with the facts. OTOH, if you want to stamp your foot and scream as loud as you can, like I said, you can intimidate some but not all and you can make a fool of yourself.
Some people will be bigots and racists until a major event happens to them personally to change them. There are those of us (yes I said US ) that many would consider to be bigots and racists because we have used the word nigger. However to many people the word nigger describes a personality flaw not a race or skin color. If you go around acting like a thug and treating other people like they are personally responsible for your social or economic situation when you have done nothing but act like a stereo type, how can you expect them to treat you otherwise? (regardless of your skin color.) The majority of the people in this country that I have run across treat people based on the first impression they recieve. Part of that impression is dress, attitude, demeanor and vocabulary. If it walks like a duck, dresses like a duck and quacks like a duck, why would I call it anything but a duck?
AKLIM69 wrote:
"No there are just as many drunk orientals, just as many drunk white people and just as many drunk black people etc. Thank you for proving my point, that just because someone makes something up or gets the wrong impression of a people, it's not up to the people to prove shit. It's up to the individual to educate themselves."
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Let me educate you a little bit. You are obviously very ignorant regarding the subject. I would like to add that Most Native Americans come from the Orient. This is not only proven through anthropological and archealogical studies, but through genetics; through common DNA among Modern Native Anericans and Modern Orientals.
http://www3.interscience.wiley.com/journal/107642785/abstract?CRETRY=1&SRETRY=0
Wow and this shows sex causes Asians to flip on the drug and alcohol switch.
http://cat.inist.fr/?aModele=afficheN&cpsidt=799905
or how about this???
http://apha.confex.com/apha/131am/techprogram/paper_72700.htm
<script>document.write('<a href="ht'+'tp://books.google.com/books?id=vQwRK_sBa1UC&pg=PA511&lpg=PA511&dq=Alcoholism+high+among+Asian+Americans&source=web&ots=q17Plsmal0&sig=6uoEf8d2I5j2ww1Mlyjq6NeUHe0&hl=en&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=6&ct=result" target="_blank">This one is great</a>')</script>
What about the orient and OPIUM????? HMMMMM. HAHA!
According to studies I've found, Asian American people, such as yourself, are predisposed to alcoholism, much like the Native American population. There are very high occurences of Alcoholism among your people as well. There is very little statistical data available in the past as very few studies have been made until recently. While Asian Americans have lower occurences than black and white, they are still high and among the highest in beer. So according to you, we should assume you are drunk and high on heroin all the time, because of your small penis? We'll all be waiting for you to prove us wrong. HAHA! Get a clue dude.
The afflictions of some people in a race do not make everyone in the race afflicted. It's not the responsibility of those unafflicted members in a group to change the group which should in turn, change the stigma that is associated through ignorance. It's up to the ignorant people, that stereotype people, to realize they are in err. Use common sense. The alcoholism that afflicts some Native Americans is cause by the same shit that afflicts your people. Natives, Chinese, Japanese, Irish (also known drinkers) were mistreated by racists. So thank you again for proving that racism is the root.
TOPFREEINGA,
The flaw in your thought process is simple. The word 'nigger' is a derivative of negra or negro which means black. The term was bastardized by the illiterate American Southern White people to be a belittling name when referring to slaves. I've never heard the word used describe a white person, a Mexican or any other race, except black people. It's widely used as a racial slur. Sorry, but it is a racist term and there is no excuse to call someone a nigger. I've lived in the south and there is just as much poverty, crime and scumbaggery among your race.
-D-
"No there are just as many drunk orientals, just as many drunk white people and just as many drunk black people etc. Thank you for proving my point, that just because someone makes something up or gets the wrong impression of a people, it's not up to the people to prove shit. It's up to the individual to educate themselves."
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Let me educate you a little bit. You are obviously very ignorant regarding the subject. I would like to add that Most Native Americans come from the Orient. This is not only proven through anthropological and archealogical studies, but through genetics; through common DNA among Modern Native Anericans and Modern Orientals.
http://www3.interscience.wiley.com/journal/107642785/abstract?CRETRY=1&SRETRY=0
Wow and this shows sex causes Asians to flip on the drug and alcohol switch.
http://cat.inist.fr/?aModele=afficheN&cpsidt=799905
or how about this???
http://apha.confex.com/apha/131am/techprogram/paper_72700.htm
<script>document.write('<a href="ht'+'tp://books.google.com/books?id=vQwRK_sBa1UC&pg=PA511&lpg=PA511&dq=Alcoholism+high+among+Asian+Americans&source=web&ots=q17Plsmal0&sig=6uoEf8d2I5j2ww1Mlyjq6NeUHe0&hl=en&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=6&ct=result" target="_blank">This one is great</a>')</script>
What about the orient and OPIUM????? HMMMMM. HAHA!
According to studies I've found, Asian American people, such as yourself, are predisposed to alcoholism, much like the Native American population. There are very high occurences of Alcoholism among your people as well. There is very little statistical data available in the past as very few studies have been made until recently. While Asian Americans have lower occurences than black and white, they are still high and among the highest in beer. So according to you, we should assume you are drunk and high on heroin all the time, because of your small penis? We'll all be waiting for you to prove us wrong. HAHA! Get a clue dude.
The afflictions of some people in a race do not make everyone in the race afflicted. It's not the responsibility of those unafflicted members in a group to change the group which should in turn, change the stigma that is associated through ignorance. It's up to the ignorant people, that stereotype people, to realize they are in err. Use common sense. The alcoholism that afflicts some Native Americans is cause by the same shit that afflicts your people. Natives, Chinese, Japanese, Irish (also known drinkers) were mistreated by racists. So thank you again for proving that racism is the root.
TOPFREEINGA,
The flaw in your thought process is simple. The word 'nigger' is a derivative of negra or negro which means black. The term was bastardized by the illiterate American Southern White people to be a belittling name when referring to slaves. I've never heard the word used describe a white person, a Mexican or any other race, except black people. It's widely used as a racial slur. Sorry, but it is a racist term and there is no excuse to call someone a nigger. I've lived in the south and there is just as much poverty, crime and scumbaggery among your race.
-D-
What?
Posted By: TOPFREEINGA Reply posted on:
Nov 28, 2008 - 9:18 am
If you go around acting like a thug and treating other people like they are personally responsible for your social or economic situation when you have done nothing but act like a stereo type, how can you expect them to treat you otherwise? (regardless of your skin color.) The majority of the people in this country that I have run across treat people based on the first impression they recieve. Part of that impression is dress, attitude, demeanor and vocabulary. If it walks like a duck, dresses like a duck and quacks like a duck, why would I call it anything but a duck?
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Bigotry and racism is but a form of prejudice of which age, sex, religion, etc, etc are all a subset of. People will always be prejudiced because of some event in the past. For instance, people will assume pit bulls are vicious dogs because of what they have read or heard, etc, etc. People will always assume a Maybach will be better than a Yugo. Such is life. Didn't people use to assume Jap stuff was inferior? They changed things and now they are threatening the Big 2 and a half. Yes, change in that direction is much harder than stamping your feet like the kiddie playground but it is more lasting. So, like I think you are saying, if you don't want to be called a duck, stop walking, dressing and quacking like one. My addition to that is that if you cannot and/or will not, don't blame others for calling you a duck. As they say,"If the glove doesn't fit, you must acquit."
Nov 28, 2008 - 9:18 am
If you go around acting like a thug and treating other people like they are personally responsible for your social or economic situation when you have done nothing but act like a stereo type, how can you expect them to treat you otherwise? (regardless of your skin color.) The majority of the people in this country that I have run across treat people based on the first impression they recieve. Part of that impression is dress, attitude, demeanor and vocabulary. If it walks like a duck, dresses like a duck and quacks like a duck, why would I call it anything but a duck?
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Bigotry and racism is but a form of prejudice of which age, sex, religion, etc, etc are all a subset of. People will always be prejudiced because of some event in the past. For instance, people will assume pit bulls are vicious dogs because of what they have read or heard, etc, etc. People will always assume a Maybach will be better than a Yugo. Such is life. Didn't people use to assume Jap stuff was inferior? They changed things and now they are threatening the Big 2 and a half. Yes, change in that direction is much harder than stamping your feet like the kiddie playground but it is more lasting. So, like I think you are saying, if you don't want to be called a duck, stop walking, dressing and quacking like one. My addition to that is that if you cannot and/or will not, don't blame others for calling you a duck. As they say,"If the glove doesn't fit, you must acquit."
I am glad you brought that up. Japan has come ahead with <b>some</b> of their companies, but like the Americans through unethical business practices, they have suffered. They build a name for themselves and once they have the reputation, they start cutting costs (quality) through labor, workmanship, materials etc. GM, like Sony has suffer because of it. The Americans use to make some of the best cars in the world, far superior to the Japanese. Now we are seeing a shift. Does this make all Japanese products superior? Absolutely No!!! It's actually very apparent that many Japanese manufacturers have absolutely no problem with stealing designs. Look at the bodies of most of their cars. They all look European and copy most of the European makers. We can also look at the society itself. It borrows from every other society in the world and is bastardized. While brilliant engineers, they lack, in my opinion, originality and a rich culture of their own. It died after WWII. So if one educates themself, they will realize that not everything you think is true. Enlightenment supercedes presumption.
Furthermore, the duck analogy only works if you can change what is being said about you. No one should have to change skin color. No one should have to change their sexual preference. No one should have to change any innate quality about themselves to fit into society. It's up to the ignorant fucktards to accept the fact that not everyone was born the same as them, nor as close-minded. There is no excuse for racism or bigotry other than idiocy. If I call you a fuckin Chink because you are an Asian, I am a fuckin' idiot. If you call someone a nigger, you're an fuckin moron... period.
-D-
Furthermore, the duck analogy only works if you can change what is being said about you. No one should have to change skin color. No one should have to change their sexual preference. No one should have to change any innate quality about themselves to fit into society. It's up to the ignorant fucktards to accept the fact that not everyone was born the same as them, nor as close-minded. There is no excuse for racism or bigotry other than idiocy. If I call you a fuckin Chink because you are an Asian, I am a fuckin' idiot. If you call someone a nigger, you're an fuckin moron... period.
-D-
Posted By: TEQUILAROSE Reply posted on:
Nov 28, 2008 - 1:56 pm
Does this make all Japanese products superior? Absolutely No!!!
Furthermore, the duck analogy only works if you can change what is being said about you. No one should have to change skin color. No one should have to change their sexual preference. No one should have to change any innate quality about themselves to fit into society. It's up to the ignorant fucktards to accept the fact that not everyone was born the same as them, nor as close-minded. There is no excuse for racism or bigotry other than idiocy. If I call you a fuckin Chink because you are an Asian, I am a fuckin' idiot. If you call someone a nigger, you're an fuckin moron... period.
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There was a top of the line Lexus that didn't even make it out of the dealership before it had a major engine failure. Bet the owner was pleased. Does that make every Lexus worse than every US car? No but if I had to bet on which car would be the lemon, it would be the US car. Might not win the bet every time but probably more times than I lose, I will win the bet.
Nobody said you have to change your skin color (Exception is Michael Jackson), sexual preference or innate quality about yourself to fit into society. Not sure how would could even if you wanted to. What is being discussed as how a group is being viewed by society. If that group doesn't like what it is being associated with, it is their job to change that perception. Take the RC church for example. If they don't want to be associated with pedophilia, maybe they should change that image of themselves by not allowing Cardinal Law to be shuffled around like he shuffled necrophiliac priests. Instead, if they had him defrocked publicly for what he did, it would make it real difficult for me to say that the RC church condones pedophilia. Having done what they have done, why should I have to change my opinion of the RC church? If the new pope had taken a stand and had Cardinal Law (a prince of the church) defrocked, I would be forced to keep my mouth shut about how they give pedophilia the old nod and a wink.
Nov 28, 2008 - 1:56 pm
Does this make all Japanese products superior? Absolutely No!!!
Furthermore, the duck analogy only works if you can change what is being said about you. No one should have to change skin color. No one should have to change their sexual preference. No one should have to change any innate quality about themselves to fit into society. It's up to the ignorant fucktards to accept the fact that not everyone was born the same as them, nor as close-minded. There is no excuse for racism or bigotry other than idiocy. If I call you a fuckin Chink because you are an Asian, I am a fuckin' idiot. If you call someone a nigger, you're an fuckin moron... period.
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There was a top of the line Lexus that didn't even make it out of the dealership before it had a major engine failure. Bet the owner was pleased. Does that make every Lexus worse than every US car? No but if I had to bet on which car would be the lemon, it would be the US car. Might not win the bet every time but probably more times than I lose, I will win the bet.
Nobody said you have to change your skin color (Exception is Michael Jackson), sexual preference or innate quality about yourself to fit into society. Not sure how would could even if you wanted to. What is being discussed as how a group is being viewed by society. If that group doesn't like what it is being associated with, it is their job to change that perception. Take the RC church for example. If they don't want to be associated with pedophilia, maybe they should change that image of themselves by not allowing Cardinal Law to be shuffled around like he shuffled necrophiliac priests. Instead, if they had him defrocked publicly for what he did, it would make it real difficult for me to say that the RC church condones pedophilia. Having done what they have done, why should I have to change my opinion of the RC church? If the new pope had taken a stand and had Cardinal Law (a prince of the church) defrocked, I would be forced to keep my mouth shut about how they give pedophilia the old nod and a wink.
That's what I am saying though. Many people don't judge you on your quality, they judge you on your innate attributes. Race just happens to be one. It's also a civil right not to be.
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"The flaw in your thought process is simple. The word 'nigger' is a derivative of negra or negro which means black. The term was bastardized by the illiterate American Southern White people to be a belittling name when referring to slaves. I've never heard the word used describe a white person, a Mexican or any other race, except black people. It's widely used as a racial slur. Sorry, but it is a racist term and there is no excuse to call someone a nigger. I've lived in the south and there is just as much poverty, crime and scumbaggery among your race. "
The flaw is not with my thought process. The flaw is with your perception. You are partially correct about the word nigger. It is a derivative of the word Negro, however it was bastardized in the American South not by the "Illiterate American Southern White people"
To those people the word used was niggra (the illiterae way of saying negre). It was the Slaves themselves that coined the word nigger in there inability to speak the english language as opposed to their native tongue. Nigger was how they pronounced negre/negro because of their accent and dialect.
Now as for your claims that you have never heard that word used to refer to any other race than a black person. Get out the suburbs and you will hear that word used by blacks to describe their homeboys no matter what the race. Go the the trailer parks and you will hear it used by whites to describe whites/blacks/hispanics or anyone else without a work ethic or of low moral character. Granted the most common usage and common perception of the word nigger is associated with the black population. but to quote a black man (chris Rock) "I like black people, I hate niggers." So even the black community understands the difference between black and nigger in todays society.
The flaw is not with my thought process. The flaw is with your perception. You are partially correct about the word nigger. It is a derivative of the word Negro, however it was bastardized in the American South not by the "Illiterate American Southern White people"
To those people the word used was niggra (the illiterae way of saying negre). It was the Slaves themselves that coined the word nigger in there inability to speak the english language as opposed to their native tongue. Nigger was how they pronounced negre/negro because of their accent and dialect.
Now as for your claims that you have never heard that word used to refer to any other race than a black person. Get out the suburbs and you will hear that word used by blacks to describe their homeboys no matter what the race. Go the the trailer parks and you will hear it used by whites to describe whites/blacks/hispanics or anyone else without a work ethic or of low moral character. Granted the most common usage and common perception of the word nigger is associated with the black population. but to quote a black man (chris Rock) "I like black people, I hate niggers." So even the black community understands the difference between black and nigger in todays society.
Posted By: TOPFREEINGA Reply posted on:
Nov 29, 2008 - 10:29 am
But to quote a black man (chris Rock) "I like black people, I hate niggers." So even the black community understands the difference between black and nigger in today's society.
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I can go along with that. Hmmmm, while we are on the subject, the wife has tried black in the past. I haven't yet. Going to have to take note of that and put it on a "to do" list.
Nov 29, 2008 - 10:29 am
But to quote a black man (chris Rock) "I like black people, I hate niggers." So even the black community understands the difference between black and nigger in today's society.
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I can go along with that. Hmmmm, while we are on the subject, the wife has tried black in the past. I haven't yet. Going to have to take note of that and put it on a "to do" list.
To those people the word used was niggra (the illiterae way of saying negre). It was the Slaves themselves that coined the word nigger in there inability to speak the english language as opposed to their native tongue. Nigger was how they pronounced negre/negro because of their accent and dialect.
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Bullshit. The word comes from Africa and Latin countries that use the word negra (black). It originates from Egypt to be exact, on the African side. It means King, Ruler or God. They even named one of their countries Nigeria, which is a bastardization of the latin word black. Ever hear of the Niger River? It was the ignorant white fucktards in America, that were also known to murder Native American launguage that bastardized the word. Many countries use the negra as the word black. I think you are a victim of racist apologists, with respect to your view of history, after all, given your location, it's apparent. The same area that had racist scientists that claimed Africans were not even human, but more ape-like. The same fucktards that claimed that Africans started aids by having sex with monkeys. Spare us the southern science.
http://www.socyberty.com/Ethnicity/The-Adoption-of-Language-Terminology-Nigger-Into-the-European-Vocabulary.86742
"Now as for your claims that you have never heard that word used to refer to any other race than a black person. Get out the suburbs and you will hear that word used by blacks to describe their homeboys no matter what the race. Go the the trailer parks and you will hear it used by whites to describe whites/blacks/hispanics or anyone else without a work ethic or of low moral character."
No... they've taken a derivative "Nigga" and turned it into a term of comraderee. Many have tried to take the ugliness out of it. It was first used as a way of blacks to indentify with each other in their shared plight. Now, whites, that admire blacks for their culture are trying to imitate their role models. We are now seeing a role reversal happening. Whites are looking up to blacks. The white oppressive power structure is faltering.... True equality is happening. Backlash is only common sense, but things will eventually smooth over... After all, you guys have a new group to hate.... Muslims.
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Bullshit. The word comes from Africa and Latin countries that use the word negra (black). It originates from Egypt to be exact, on the African side. It means King, Ruler or God. They even named one of their countries Nigeria, which is a bastardization of the latin word black. Ever hear of the Niger River? It was the ignorant white fucktards in America, that were also known to murder Native American launguage that bastardized the word. Many countries use the negra as the word black. I think you are a victim of racist apologists, with respect to your view of history, after all, given your location, it's apparent. The same area that had racist scientists that claimed Africans were not even human, but more ape-like. The same fucktards that claimed that Africans started aids by having sex with monkeys. Spare us the southern science.
http://www.socyberty.com/Ethnicity/The-Adoption-of-Language-Terminology-Nigger-Into-the-European-Vocabulary.86742
"Now as for your claims that you have never heard that word used to refer to any other race than a black person. Get out the suburbs and you will hear that word used by blacks to describe their homeboys no matter what the race. Go the the trailer parks and you will hear it used by whites to describe whites/blacks/hispanics or anyone else without a work ethic or of low moral character."
No... they've taken a derivative "Nigga" and turned it into a term of comraderee. Many have tried to take the ugliness out of it. It was first used as a way of blacks to indentify with each other in their shared plight. Now, whites, that admire blacks for their culture are trying to imitate their role models. We are now seeing a role reversal happening. Whites are looking up to blacks. The white oppressive power structure is faltering.... True equality is happening. Backlash is only common sense, but things will eventually smooth over... After all, you guys have a new group to hate.... Muslims.
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Nov 29, 2008 - 2:30 pm
True equality is happening. Backlash is only common sense, but things will eventually smooth over... After all, you guys have a new group to hate.... Muslims.
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Not happening anytime in your lifetime or mine even if we lived to be 500 years old. As I have said, racism is a subset of discrimination. Discrimination is something that is in the heart and minds of people. There has been discrimination since the birth of man and there will be discrimination until there is only one man standing. It is a fact of life. Take you for example. You have disparaged the US auto industry. Can you tell me that every Jap, Korean, German, etc, etc car is going to be beter than a US car? Price being equal, which do you buy? Is that discrimination? Of course it is. While the difference is that you are discriminating against a product in this case and someone is discriminating against a group of people in the case of racism, the PRINCIPLE is the same. You feel the odds of getting a good car is better with the Japs. Racism is the same. I feel that the odds of getting a good employee are better if I stick to the white race as opposed to the black race (to make a simple example). Discrimination is a fact of life. I can spend my life trying to change it via legislation, crying on my knees, etc,etc but the end result is the same. As I have said before, if you don't like the way people look at your group, change your group so that the stereotype is not applicable. IF the black people don't like to be called Nigger and looked down upon, they need to change it so that their group cannot be looked down on. Try telling people that the Japs make bad cars and see if it holds water. It won't. Why? Because they have changed themselves from a group that makes junk cars to something else. The alternative is to go screaming "YOU MUST TREAT ME AS AN EQUAL.". OTOH, I suspect that is about as effective as AA when trying to change the minds of people. All AA has done is give a racist person ammunition by creating a handicap which we all know favor the lessor competitor and thus perpetuating the notion that people are not equal.
Nov 29, 2008 - 2:30 pm
True equality is happening. Backlash is only common sense, but things will eventually smooth over... After all, you guys have a new group to hate.... Muslims.
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Not happening anytime in your lifetime or mine even if we lived to be 500 years old. As I have said, racism is a subset of discrimination. Discrimination is something that is in the heart and minds of people. There has been discrimination since the birth of man and there will be discrimination until there is only one man standing. It is a fact of life. Take you for example. You have disparaged the US auto industry. Can you tell me that every Jap, Korean, German, etc, etc car is going to be beter than a US car? Price being equal, which do you buy? Is that discrimination? Of course it is. While the difference is that you are discriminating against a product in this case and someone is discriminating against a group of people in the case of racism, the PRINCIPLE is the same. You feel the odds of getting a good car is better with the Japs. Racism is the same. I feel that the odds of getting a good employee are better if I stick to the white race as opposed to the black race (to make a simple example). Discrimination is a fact of life. I can spend my life trying to change it via legislation, crying on my knees, etc,etc but the end result is the same. As I have said before, if you don't like the way people look at your group, change your group so that the stereotype is not applicable. IF the black people don't like to be called Nigger and looked down upon, they need to change it so that their group cannot be looked down on. Try telling people that the Japs make bad cars and see if it holds water. It won't. Why? Because they have changed themselves from a group that makes junk cars to something else. The alternative is to go screaming "YOU MUST TREAT ME AS AN EQUAL.". OTOH, I suspect that is about as effective as AA when trying to change the minds of people. All AA has done is give a racist person ammunition by creating a handicap which we all know favor the lessor competitor and thus perpetuating the notion that people are not equal.
Can you tell me that every Jap, Korean, German, etc, etc car is going to be beter than a US car?
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I already made that point buddy. READ! I can say this. The use book value has to do with consumer reports and the market value, based on workmanship. This is why American cars don't hold value. It has nothing to do with race. Apples and oranges. I already said that not all American cars are shittier than Japanese or European. In fact, I even said that some japanese products are falling victim to the same ethics issues as the American companies like GM. They take a trusted name of quality and start cutting corners (SONY) and they put out shit. You need to read more carefully.
Comparing an individual company like GM or Ford, to an entire race of individual people all with unique traits isn't the same thing. What fucking planet do you live on??? Would I take a Cadillac over a Lexus? YES! I am saying Individual American companies that are suffering have done it to themselves. I never said all American companies suck. You are the presumptuous one.
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I already made that point buddy. READ! I can say this. The use book value has to do with consumer reports and the market value, based on workmanship. This is why American cars don't hold value. It has nothing to do with race. Apples and oranges. I already said that not all American cars are shittier than Japanese or European. In fact, I even said that some japanese products are falling victim to the same ethics issues as the American companies like GM. They take a trusted name of quality and start cutting corners (SONY) and they put out shit. You need to read more carefully.
Comparing an individual company like GM or Ford, to an entire race of individual people all with unique traits isn't the same thing. What fucking planet do you live on??? Would I take a Cadillac over a Lexus? YES! I am saying Individual American companies that are suffering have done it to themselves. I never said all American companies suck. You are the presumptuous one.
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Posted By: TEQUILAROSE Reply posted on:
Nov 30, 2008 - 2:19 pm
The use book value has to do with consumer reports and the market value, based on workmanship. This is why American cars don't hold value. It has nothing to do with race. Apples and oranges. I already said that not all American cars are shittier than Japanese or European. In fact, I even said that some japanese products are falling victim to the same ethics issues as the American companies like GM. They take a trusted name of quality and start cutting corners (SONY) and they put out shit. You need to read more carefully.
Comparing an individual company like GM or Ford, to an entire race of individual people all with unique traits isn't the same thing. What fucking planet do you live on???
Would I take a Cadillac over a Lexus? YES!
I am saying Individual American companies that are suffering have done it to themselves.
I never said all American companies suck. You are the presumptuous one.
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Here is what I see. The used book value tells me what the average car of that sort is worth. The average, not the particular one. If we had a "race rating" book, it probably tells me that the average person of race X is such and so forth. What should I do if I don't like the value my product gets? I think I should raise the average workmanship. By doing that, I raise my ranking in the KBB of races.
You are a braver man than I if you pick the underdog in a race. What you are saying is that the race is not necessarily to the strong and swift. I agree. However, the odds are better if you don't pick the underdog. That, IMO, is why I said it before and will say it again. If you don't like being the underdog, work at change. Don't ask me to re-rate you.
And as such, they should be left to suffer the consequences.
Not all US companies suck. However, what are the odds of picking a GM car that is better than say a Lexus?
Nov 30, 2008 - 2:19 pm
The use book value has to do with consumer reports and the market value, based on workmanship. This is why American cars don't hold value. It has nothing to do with race. Apples and oranges. I already said that not all American cars are shittier than Japanese or European. In fact, I even said that some japanese products are falling victim to the same ethics issues as the American companies like GM. They take a trusted name of quality and start cutting corners (SONY) and they put out shit. You need to read more carefully.
Comparing an individual company like GM or Ford, to an entire race of individual people all with unique traits isn't the same thing. What fucking planet do you live on???
Would I take a Cadillac over a Lexus? YES!
I am saying Individual American companies that are suffering have done it to themselves.
I never said all American companies suck. You are the presumptuous one.
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Here is what I see. The used book value tells me what the average car of that sort is worth. The average, not the particular one. If we had a "race rating" book, it probably tells me that the average person of race X is such and so forth. What should I do if I don't like the value my product gets? I think I should raise the average workmanship. By doing that, I raise my ranking in the KBB of races.
You are a braver man than I if you pick the underdog in a race. What you are saying is that the race is not necessarily to the strong and swift. I agree. However, the odds are better if you don't pick the underdog. That, IMO, is why I said it before and will say it again. If you don't like being the underdog, work at change. Don't ask me to re-rate you.
And as such, they should be left to suffer the consequences.
Not all US companies suck. However, what are the odds of picking a GM car that is better than say a Lexus?
We are not disagreeing. I am saying exactly what you are saying. Americans built crap for the last 20-30 years and now they're paying. Cadillac and lexus are around the same. Lexus isn't very impressive and neither is Cadillac, but it is a case of both models being of about equal quality. GM and Ford suck, but so do Suzuki and Daihatsu. I would drive a ford before I would drive a Suzuki, Daihatsu or even a Isuzu. So yes, we do agree. Japanese companies are no different than Americans as a whole, but they are doing a lot better on the top end. The top Japanese car manufacturers are kicking the Top American companies asses. I think Europe has Japan beat as far as quality is concerned. I would drive a BMW over <u>any</u> Japanese car anyday. I will also say that while I love japanese engineering, I have yet to see an original japanese body design.
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Don; when you lump everyone that lives in the southern states into a group and called them racist, aren't you doing the same thing you accuse them of? A stereotype is a stereotype no matter what you call it. If blacks have a reputation for being gangster, that's how alot of people see them. If mexicans have a reputation as being farm laborers, that's how alot of people see them. And I guess if southern folks have a reputation of not liking blacks, that makes them all racist. Everyone has their own prejudices. It's just how you handle them.
Yes, but I don't see all southerners as racist. I know some really good people from the south that are on this very website. They are some of the coolest, most open-minded people on the site. It doesn't matter what people think, if their thought process is born in ignorance. I don't see you as a racist. I think you are an intelligent and progressive thinker. Aren't you from the south? You from Flawda right?
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