Swingers Forum - FUCK RELIGION!!!

HAHAHA! All I have to say is.... I told you so. Religion is fucking POISON! Why are we still believing in bronze age myths. It's all pagan sun worship and a means to justify hate, genocide, rape etc. FUCK RELIGION!

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Oh and BELNSPOONS.... NICE TITS!

-D-

I'll fuck religion as long as she has a ball gag, so that i don't have to listen to her babbling bull shit.

I personally think it should be banned from our society. It does far more harm in our world than good. The good it does, can be done without it.

-D-

Well TR,
You? Mr first amendment?
Oh! I guess YOU are the only one entitled to believed whatever they want...figures.

You just stated you would like a law passed banning religion...talk about the pot and the kettle.

Banning is different from passing a law? who's the dummy? Get over yourself

I like to watch sponge bob, I think the squirel in the diving suit is fucking hot!

Look again dummy... I posted before you. You don't debate. You can't debate with me on this issue, so you try to nay say me. I say fuck religion and give tons of reasons it's harmful to society and you can't deny it, so you attack what I say by saying that I am a pot calling a kettle. I've always said that I don't care what people believe. I care when they try to force those beliefs on me and others that want no part of it. I am right and you don't like it... That's your issue... again... perhaps it's you that needs to get over you.

I say ban any organization that tries to oppress, discriminate or deny other liberties, because they don't believe in the same bullshit cult dogma as they do. FUCK THEM! When churches burn, I just laugh and say, "Looks like god was too busy takin a shit".

-D-

I WASN'T SAYING YOU WERE FORCING ANYTHING ON ME! I was saying fuck religion and you commented on what I said. It was you that took issue with what I said, not the other way around. reread the thread. Oh and how am I losing anything regarding this issue, to you, you haven't made valid point one. Perhaps you do need to sleep. I think you are a little sleep deprived, you're saying stupid shit. Oh and I don't call people names when I am losing, I call them names when I think their post sounds stupid... Kinda like yours.. Dummy. HAHA!

-D-

P.S.

Try to think a little longer before you write. I know... I am an asshole. don't like me under your skin do ya? HAHA!

And how you connected Obama to my post saying FUCK RELIGION, I will never understand.
what the fuck does one have to do with the other?
Did pastor Hannity help you with that one?

BTW TR posted before you, and He was on topic, you, well you just seem to be "outta touch"
the Elections over, Obama won, it wasn't a regious experience for me.

So either discuss FUCKING RELIGION or SHHHhhhhh.

Peace, Riderz



I find it interesting that you feel Obama has nothing to do with religion. Rev. Wrong and all. God Damn America, this church has attempted to do all these things you claim. Forcing their will on others, and all the rest. And Obama was a member of this church for 22 years? So in all reasonable thought you should have not voted for the man. He speaks and what comes after his speaches? God Bless America? I find it funny that you feel the need to put Peace at the end of all of your posts, and then damn religion. Religion is a very difficult discussion for both believers and non believers. Your posts and TR's are very hate filled. But the real underlying issue is fear. And possibly hate for other human beings, and shows your intolerance for others. Banning religion is off to a start and has gripped you into following the lead of others. Now you say dont force religion on others and this is fair I agree. But dont force your will on others by calling them stupid or even evil for their beliefs. It really is a two way street. So before you attack others for what they believe in please take a look at what you dont believe in.

THAT WASN'T OBAMA, THAT WAS RELIGION!



That religion shaped his agenda my friend...and is very relevent to say FUCK religion.

Free,


Wow, "an earth that can heal itself". That's a new one. Where are you getting your data? From plastic and other fossil fuel products (polymers) in the oceans, to millions and millions of tons of air pollutants that have never even existed before the automobile, it's bold of you to claim that it has no impact on the planet when more can be proven that it does than doesn't. From the death of Ocean life, Melting of plar ice caps, to Extinction of animals and their natural habitats and dawn of the nuclear age and all the atrocities that have befallen us because of it, i.e. Chernobyl, Hiroshima and any third world extremist country that we now have to baby-sit. All of this for wealth and power.

I think the Green Party cause is a noble one. I find it one hell of a lot more agreeable than any religion that promotes intolerance of a minority group, to exterminate people because of their ethnic origin, to go against human nature an demonize sex and make people be afraid of their own bodies.. Hell let's name some more. The spanish inquisition, the crusades, the salem withc trials, The KKK, The LDS, The Westboro Baptist Church, Al Qaeda, The Taliban and many other extremist groups and activities. Religion, while intended for the good of humans, causes far more bad than can ever be justified by the good. The good can be achieved without it. If the different religions could exist and not try to for their dogmas on society and not commit acts of atrocity against the world, then I wouldn't have an issue.

So I don't wish to deny the individual their right to believe in god, I <b>will</b> do everything I can to deny them the opportunity to legislate their dogma. The 1st Amendment was written to prevent such bullshit as proposition 8 from happening. I think the LDS should lose their tax exempt status and I think their should be addressed as what they are... A hate group.

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-D-

OK one at a time.

A protest vote? LOL sounds like to me your fed up with both sides of the Isle and I agree.
Now to war and religion. I see by your respnose that you have no answer to my understanding of what war is. Show me please where religion started WWI WWII Korea, Viet Nam, Bosnia, Somalia, Iraq, Afghanistan. Religion is used for an excuse but the underlying cause is completely out of the relm of what it really is. Greed and forced occupation of the masses. Nothing more and nothing less. Show me where Hitler said we are invading France because of their religion and if they dont come to our way of thinking we will destroy them, Poland as well. War is oppertunity, nothing more and again religion is an excuse and not the cause. We will have to disagree on the aspects of war.

Wow, "an earth that can heal itself". That's a new one. Where are you getting your data? From plastic and other fossil fuel products (polymers) in the oceans, to millions and millions of tons of air pollutants that have never even existed before the automobile, it's bold of you to claim that it has no impact on the planet when more can be proven that it does than doesn't. From the death of Ocean life, Melting of plar ice caps, to Extinction of animals and their natural habitats and dawn of the nuclear age and all the atrocities that have befallen us because of it, i.e. Chernobyl, Hiroshima and any third world extremist country that we now have to baby-sit. All of this for wealth and power.

I think the Green Party cause is a noble one. I find it one hell of a lot more agreeable than any religion that promotes intolerance of a minority group, to exterminate people because of their ethnic origin, to go against human nature an demonize sex and make people be afraid of their own bodies.. Hell let's name some more. The spanish inquisition, the crusades, the salem withc trials, The KKK, The LDS, The Westboro Baptist Church, Al Qaeda, The Taliban and many other extremist groups and activities. Religion, while intended for the good of humans, causes far more bad than can ever be justified by the good. The good can be achieved without it. If the different religions could exist and not try to for their dogmas on society and not commit acts of atrocity against the world, then I wouldn't have an issue.

So I don't wish to deny the individual their right to believe in god, I will do everything I can to deny them the opportunity to legislate their dogma. The 1st Amendment was written to prevent such bullshit as proposition 8 from happening. I think the LDS should lose their tax exempt status and I think their should be addressed as what they are... A hate group.
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The earth has been healing its self for centuries.For all time as a matter of fact, Meteor strikes, hell the moon was created from an object stiking the earth. My staement is that we as humanity goes have been selfish and I agree not nice to mother nature. However The US has reduced harmful polution by 80% since the begining of the industial age. And still according to some it is not enough. The reason we are in the state we are in. Sure oil and its emission are destructive. But Mother earth is alot stronger than any of us can imagine. She can take the hit.

HEAR HEAR!

Religion - 1. The beliefs, attitudes, emotions, behavior, etc., constituting man's relationship with the powers and principles of the universe, esp. with a deity or deities. 2. An object of conscientious devotion or scrupulous care: His work is a religion to him.

Religion has two meanings. I know definition #1 is the topic of discussion. I equate #2 with being a devout Green Bay Packer fan - a good thing (well, usually ).

As with anything, a few can give a bad name to many. In this case we are not talking a few. The various religions that foster proselytizing, are the primary culprits for making the "bad" name for religion. Their compulsion to push their belief system on others is beyond annoying. It is a major component for divisiveness and territorialism.

The "need" to convert others leads to innumerable problems. From a personal standpoint, those folks annoy the hell out of me. We used to have a small infestation of Jehovah's Witnesses door-to-dooring on a periodic basis. They are a perfect example of myopic, trained rats. One purpose, no thought. Lemmings.

I was raised as some sort of simple, country Methodist or the like. To this day I follow the basic tenets of Christianity that make sense in the current day - do unto others as you would have them do unto you, etc. Yet, I don't consider myself a Christian. The fundamentalists ruined any chance of that as soon as I reached the age of reason. Instead, I arrived at my own interpretation, which is still evolving, actually.

My wife is a devout Christian. After 20 years, we finally found a church that was meaningful to both of us. It is a small non-denominational church, consequently, very community oriented. Early on, I met with the pastor and explained that I was agnostic, for lack of a better term. Son-of-a-bitch if he wasn't a thinking, non-judgemental regular guy. I occasionally will endure sitting though his sermons and, in return, he will occasionally listen to me say things that have to inwardly grate like crazy on him. On top of that, he's a Bears fan!

That church, to me, is an example of religion as it should work. Small, friendly and supportive within the community. There is no "holier than thou" attitude anywhere in the congregation. They are there for one another through times of physical and emotional need. They do have a missionary system, but it is geared towards "helping" in underdeveloped countries. I'm sure they "spread the word", but conversion is not the primary goal. They lead by example - which is infinitely better than trying to beat someone over the head with a 2x4 to get them to believe in your concepts (in my humble opinion).

There is no denying that people, in general, have spiritual elements to them. Almost by definition, "religion" will result. So, here's where I have a familiar rant:

People trying to force their belief systems on me REALLY piss me off (somewhat of a rarity).

The simple fact that they are all fucking programmed Stepford Wives with absolutely no original thought capacity and yet are trying to tell me how to think, is beyond annoying - it makes me think illegal thoughts (insert devil-grin icon here).

I have as much vitriol as TR on this topic. Being a fastidious, OC-type, however, I can't/won't make a blanket statement about "religion". I railed against "organized religion" for a long time. I realized that wasn't very accurate and started railing against Christian Fundamentalists. While I still do that, it is inadequate because it leaves out all of the violaters in other religions.

Our forefathers were very wise. Separation of church and state is an extremely important element of their philosophy. It needs to be strictly adhered to.

I guess my attitude is quite simple. If your "religion" COMPELS you to persuade me that your thinking is right and mine is wrong, I will count you among the legions of "religious idiots" and say FUCK YOU!



"The dog is a religious animal. In his savage state he worships the moon and the lights that float upon the waters. These are his gods to whom he appeals at night with long-drawn howls." - Anatole France

What's in a Howl?
by Fred H. Harrington
Professor of Ethology
Mount Saint Vincent University, Nova Scotia
(http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/wolves/howl.html)

(the summary paragraph):

"So wolves howl to find their companions and keep their neighbors at bay. Popular imagination has long held that they also howl at the moon, but there is no evidence that this is so. Wolves may be more active on moonlit nights, when they can see better, or we may hear them more often on such nights, because we feel more comfortable tramping about in the light of a full moon, but a wolf howling at the moon would be wasting its breath."




First of all, my quote referred to the savage within a DOG. I know, I know - but - I'm trying to pick a mini-fight here.

Thirdly, I think wolves/canines are spiritual. They also involve themselves in whimsy and play. They have no problem wasting their breath in folly, so ......

I put little faith in a researcher's opinion about the motivations of various wolf howls. Wolves most certainly can have their own soulful agenda.

We should all howl at the moon more!

TR

atheist vs. agnostic?

You refute the notion of any type of afterlife? We are simply matter and when the breath leaves, we are simply a pile of dust? If so, we simply disagree and there may be no need for additional discussion?

If I understand you correctly, you are saying spirituality is simply a concoction, assembled to explain that which we don

TR -

1) I am not sure why you deny your defiant nature

TR

TR

Religion is the opiate of the masses!

Religion is best defined as a set of rules and social norms precribed by man in order to control other men with the dangling carrot of eternal happiness.

If you were to read a ORIGINAL Brothers Grimm books (not the sanitized Disney versions) you would find it to basically read like the Bible.

Try it, you may be surprised.

I'll just say this. What you said just strengthens my position. You said, in other words, as you near the end of your life, you are reaching out for spirituality. You are scared, as am I and everyone else on the planet. Everyone fears the unknowns of death. Is it the end? Do we cease to exist? Or.... do we go on? I don't care who they are and if they admit it or not, everyone is fearful of that reality. I have just accepted the fact that I won't know until I face it and I will not subscribe to something to give myself a false sense of security.

As far as the "creator and lab rats" remark. That is as possible as anything else. If that were the case, what do we owe an indifferent creator that wishes no personal relationship with us? That doesn't sound like a close and personal relationship with god.

Furthermore, there is insurmountable evidence that Christianity is based upon pagan sun worship, that birthed many other similar religions, though the dogma/morals are different. The evidence proves that man invented god based upon the things he did not know and feared. As our minds experience and knowlege grows, we need god less and less.

I will grant this one thing, that is compelling on the side of "an afterlife". Energy is never destroyed. We are made entirely of energy. We do go on after death. However, is it really us? Does the sum of our experience, the knowlege, memories.... your psyche, travel with that energy? NO ONE KNOWS!


-D-

p.s. listen to Christopher Hitchens

If you are secure in your spirituality and have faith of an afterlife, then what would be so scarey about a brief period of debilitation in your earthly life, when you have an eternity of experience thereafter?

I choose not to subscribe to such ideas, because I feel it is counterproductive to a healthy life. I think it's best to live life to it's fullest; as though it's the only one we have. I don't want to live in the confines of a man-made religion. I think, so long as I am not causing direct harm to others intentionally, I'll be ok. I think that if I choose to have pleasure at the expense of someone else's pain, I will pay in my own guilt and regret and waste the time I have with those negative emotions instead of positive ones. If we only live once.. What a waste that would be. SO............What is trully logical? Have a positive impact while we are here.

-D-

Fear can be debilitating.

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-D-