Swingers Forum - Request for opinions from the right

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First off congratulations to the Democrats, and President-Elect Obama. The next two years are yours. You'll be able to get the marjority of what you want. I just hope what you want is works, cause we're already in a tail spin, and if your wrong this county is going to head further down the drain. I, speaking only for myself, will give Obama my support. I didn't vote for him, I think it's dangerous to have him in charge now, but he is the President of the United States, that makes him my President.


In two years we have mid-term elections, if things aren't going well or at least appearing to move in the right direction you could see things swinging back the other direction. Also to consider is Joe Bidens comments that he believes terrorist will strike very early into Obamas tern to test him. How well Obama reacts to that will also be important.

Lastly say what you want about W, he isn't my favorite president either, but there haven't been any terrorist attack here since 9/11. Lets hope Obama can keep that streak going.

Tandvplay

If anybody has read any of my other posts, there is no doubt which side of the aisle (in here sometimes it feels like isle though ) I stand on. But here is my take.
There was a hugely unpopular president and an America in turmoil...everybody looks for change in times like this, grass is always greener...It will not last, and we will go through a shift again, maybe 2 years, maybe 4, maybe 8 maybe even 12 or 16....but it will change, that is constant in the US. IF the new leaders can pull us out of the mess we are in and get the country back on track they may stick around (Reagan-Bush)(Clinton Gore)...if they can

Congrats to those democrats you got what you wanted now lets all hope the next 2 years something gets done for the better of America frankly I did not hear very much but a bunch of "I'm great, "Our party is great" is great last night absolutely no mention of the major crisis that hit America such as 911 or the major hurricanes and other natural disasters that have hit this country GW did at least keep us free from any more attacks since 911 lets all hope Obama can do the same I hope he keeps Gates as secdef and lets hope that we do not pull out of Iraq too quick to where it looks like we are leaving before the job is done we need to pull out with victory not defeat.

Like it or not only time will tell. For those of us who did not vote for Obama, suck it up and drive on. For the rest of you,I truly hope that sometime in the next four years you do not regret your decision. Unfortunately, I believe some of you will. (I do not say that as an I told you so, either.) I say that because first thing I read this morning right after the big headline of " OBAMA WINS!!!!!!" was a headline that read " Russia to deploy missles to combat US missle defenses."
When the rest of the world Voted for Obama it should have sent flares up. I will be the first to concede that John McCain was/is not the best person for the job, I will not say that it was Obama either. 63 million Americans have spoken so it shall be done. As a member of the Armed Services I shall still do my duty no matter who is in office, I just hope he doesn't make it harder to do.
Only time will tell, lets hope America made the right choice. Until/if he no longer deserves it Obama will at least get my respect for a campaign well ran. As the next President of the U.S. he will get loyalty, until/if he no longer deserves it.

It should have sent flares up when Venezuala/Iran/Libia/serbia all were hoping Obama would win. I know why the french/germans/brits and the rest of europe wanted him to win. 2 Simple words. United Nations. They want America to bow at the feet of the al might U.N. again.

Ok so lets talk to Iran, oh wait the UN is supposed to be doing that, and a bang up Job they are, just like they did with Iraq in the 90's. Let's "talk" to a country that insists they will use nuclear weapons against an ally of ours. Let's "talk" to a country that tells the world it will quit producing oil and cause the market to skyrocket if the U.S invades, even though a militery intervention in Venezuela was never even mentioned by the U.S. In fact the U.S Cut aid to the Columbians after their atrocities against Ecuador, which should have told Chavez that the U.S. was not on the opposing team, even after they began their Military build up on the Border.
Let's talk with a tiny little Communist country in Asia Half the size of most U.S States. A country that starves it's people to keep it's millions of troops fed. A country that insisted on maintaining Nuclear weapons producing facilities unless the U.S. Sit down and talk with them 1 on 1. Oh wait that sounds like North Korea, and a certain administration flat out refused to have one on one talks until they let inspectors in. Guess what? They let inspectors in, we talked and now they have agreed to dismantle all future nuclear operations. (whether or not they do remains to be seen.) it has been U.S. Policy for decades that WE DO NOT NEGOTIATE WITH TERRORISTS. Communism uses Terrorist tactics to maintain it's control over the people. Since G.W."Cowboy" Bush used his lone Ranger tactics in Afghanistan and Iraq, without U.N Support. The U.S has not had an attack on it's soil. Can other U.N. memebers say that. Like England, (nope), how bout Spain? (nope). What about the peace Loving French? ( nope).
There is a time for diplomacy, that time has passed once the other side demands talks or issues ultimatums. It doesn't work. It is taken as a sign of weakness by the bullies on the playground. Sometimes you have to shut your mouth and knock the biggest bully on his ass and send a message to the other bullies. "We will talk but we will talk on our terms not yours."

(Boy, can't wait to see how many revert to calling G.W and the USA the bully) Wait for it .............yep here it comes.

Top lest we forget the lives lost on the USS COLE with no retaliation and the embassies bombed, people kidnapped and killed. And by the way those volunteers are defending over 300,000,000 people including the illegals.



surf out

True. there have been many unanswered attacks over the years, 9/11 was just the catalyst.

More like the straw that broke the camels back.

THE FUCKERS RESPONSIBLE WERE/ARE IN AFGANISTAN
NOT IRAQ!
when the hell will you people learn that?
every body with half a brain is way past the whole iraq-terrorist bullshit.
Bush attacted the wrong country....got it?

Now that is what's wrong!! I never said there were terrorist in Iraq, other than the one that attacked Kuwait. Then signed an agreement to this and that but said ah fuck that agreement I will do what I want. After so many years of getting away with it by the other admin Bush just decided fuck him he will follow or else.
You all need to get off your soap boxes and realize it was not for terroeism and it certainly wasn't for oil( or show all the oil we got from there), but if that is what you want to believe then oh well.

Highway

THE FUCKERS RESPONSIBLE WERE/ARE IN AFGANISTAN


NOT IRAQ!

when the hell will you people learn that?
every body with half a brain is way past the whole iraq-terrorist bullshit.

Bush attacted the wrong country....got it?

Riderz



Zarquawi would disagree with this statement. If he were alive!!!!! LOL
9-11 did not cause Iraq, Iran did and if you want to know why Iraq? look outside of Iraq for your answer.

Well hell let's look at Viet nam; over 50,000 AMERICAN SOLDIERS killed and then we pulled out and the country fell. Enough said. Now since 9/12/01 has any Americans died by terrorist in our country? HELL NO. Because Bush did something.Ya'll ain't very good at remembering, so I'll say it again. Iraq attacked Kuwait. The USA, Britain, France, Canada, and others went in and liberated Kuwait. The bully gave up and signed accords, then proceeded to break all of them. while clinton was busy getting his knob polished he did nothing but talk to hussein. Then comes along a cowboy as you put it and said that's it we will take it no more. All intelligence at the time said there were WMD. So Bush got with others and most decided it was the right thing to do. Do you think the Iraqi people would rather have hussein back? Maybe you should talk to some returning soldiers and get their opinion on the Iraqis. It's amazing what you DO NOT see in the media.

Ok been away for a couple of days so I see it is time to counter some of the spin the libs have been putting on the post.

THE FUCKERS RESPONSIBLE WERE/ARE IN AFGANISTAN


NOT IRAQ!

when the hell will you people learn that?
every body with half a brain is way past the whole iraq-terrorist bullshit.

Bush attacted the wrong country....got it?

Riderz

Some people seem tobe confused on Exactly why we were in Iraq. It had nothing to do with the attacks on 9-11. It had to do with Iraqs refusal to follow U.N. regulations regarding the disposal of WMD's. Something that Saddam Hussein would not provide proof og after 17 resolutions. Now before you libs go ape shit let me point out (oh jeez here he goes with Bill clinton again.) That Slick Willie signed into law the Iraq Liberation Act in Oct 1998. Here is a small portion of it for you.

"Today I am signing into law H.R. 4655, the "Iraq Liberation Act of
1998." This Act makes clear that it is the sense of the Congress that
the United States should support those elements of the Iraqi opposition
that advocate a very different future for Iraq than the bitter reality
of internal repression and external aggression that the current regime
in Baghdad now offers.
Let me be clear on what the U.S. objectives are:
The United States wants Iraq to rejoin the family of nations as a
freedom-loving and law-abiding member. This is in our interest and that
of our allies within the region.
The United States favors an Iraq that offers its people freedom
at home. I categorically reject arguments that this is unattainable
due to Iraq's history or its ethnic or sectarian make-up. Iraqis
deserve and desire freedom like everyone else.
The United States looks forward to a democratically supported
regime that would permit us to enter into a dialogue leading to the
reintegration of Iraq into normal international life."

Now here is Iraq National congress Executive's response to the Law

"III. INC WELCOMES IRAQ LIBERATION ACT
INC Welcomes President Clinton's Signature of the Iraq Liberation Act
London (October 31, 1998)
Following is a statement by Ahmad Chalabi, President of the Executive
Council of the Iraqi National Congress.
Saddam has shown once again that he is irredeemable. His defiance of
the United Nations Security Council and his rejection of all reasonable
attempts to resolve the impasse, which he made, demonstrate that he has
no concern for the well being of the Iraqi people. He puts his power
megalomania above the life and happiness of the Iraqi people.
The Iraqi people are the first to suffer from the expulsion of UNSCOM
and the cessation of all its activities. They have repeatedly been the
victims of Saddam's weapons of mass destruction. They call for the
elimination of weapons of mass destruction from Iraq."

Here is the link for the full transcript. http://www.fas.org/news/iraq/1998/11/01/981101-in.htm

So in the words of the Iraqi Government there were WMD's. In the words of Bill Clinton, Saddam Hussein was preventing a Stable region. Now Bush stated early after 9-11 that any nation harboring terrorists would become a target. So that in itself meant that Iraq and Saddam Hussein were open season. WMD's were used to try to get U.N Support even though by the UN's Own resolutions Hussein should have been removed years earlier.
Also Bush's campaign Platform in 2000 was the implementation of the Iraq Liberation Act. So your President of the Oral Office made the Invasion of Iraq Possible, WMD's or not.

"How the fuck does cowboy deserve PERSONAL credit for that? He doesn't. He was too busy fucking up our Middle East involvement even more than it already was. Oh, sorry, I forgot the Patriot Act - not exactly brilliant and certainly the work of Cheney, well, for that matter........ "

"Cowboy" doesn't deserve credit for it other than the fact that he has allowed our troops to take the fight to the terrorists instead of letting the terrorists bomb our ships or barracks or our embassies. Our Troops deserve 99% of the credit. As for fucking up our middle east involvement, how exactly was that working out before Bush got into office. Let's see, Embassy bombings, Navy ship bombings, Baracks bombings oh and that pesky little attack in New york during the clinton administration Not to mention that ever so unimportant event on the Towers, the pentagon and the thwarted attack against the White House in 2001. Hmm Seems like things were going really great.


"Yes, it

You missed the point of that. it couldn't have been more fucked up than it was when he took office. Sure there are tensions and anti American feelings in the Middle east caused by the war in Iraq, But in the long term, provided Washington stays in Washington and out of Iraq, upon a successful withdrawl from a Stable and Independant Iraq Those Middle Eastern Countries that are staying nuetral at this point will begin to lean towards Pro Western nations. Places such as Pakistan/Syria and Iran will need to have thier own revolution, which is entirely possibly with success in Iraq. The Middel east always has been a thorn in the peace process and it always will be, no amount of diplomacy will stop it. It will only be stopped from within and to do that you must give the Citizens a reason to truly believe that it can happen.

GUILT IS DEAD
By Tom Adkins
Look at my fellow conservatives! There they go, glumly shuffling along,
depressed by the election aftermath. Not me. I'm virtually euphoric.
Don't get me wrong. I'm not thrilled with America's flirtation with neo
socialism. But there's a massive silver lining in those magical clouds
that lofted Barak Obama to the Presidency. For today, without a shred of
intellectually legitimate opposition, I can loudly proclaim to America:
The Era of White Guilt is over.
This seemingly impossible event occurred because the vast majority of
white Americans didn't give a fluff about skin color, and
enthusiastically pulled the voting lever for a black man. Not just any black man. A very
liberal black man who spent his early career race-hustling banks, praying
in a racist church for 20 years, and actively worked with America-hating
domestic terrorists. Wow! Some resume! Yet they made Barak Obama their
leader. Therefore, as of Nov 4th, 2008, white guilt is dead.

For over a century, the millstone of white guilt hung around our necks,
retribution for slave-owning predecessors. In the 60s, American liberals
began yanking that millstone while sticking a fork in the eye of black
Americans, exacerbating the racial divide to extort a socialist solution.
But if a black man can become President, exactly what significant barrier
is left? The election of Barak Obama absolutely destroys the entire
validation of liberal white guilt. The dragon is hereby slain.

So today, I'm feeling a little "uppity," if you will. From this day
forward, my tolerance level for having my skin color hustled is now
exactly ZERO. And it's time to clean house. No more Reverend Wright's
"God Damn America," Al Sharpton's Church of Perpetual Victimization, or Jesse
Jackson's rainbow racism. Cornell West? You're a fraud. Go home. All
those "black studies" programs that taught kids to hate whitey? You must now
thank Whitey. And I want that on the final.
Congressional Black Caucus? Irrelevant. Maxine Waters? Shut up. ACORN?
Outlawed. Black Panthers? Go home and pet your kitty. Black separatists?
Find another nation that offers better dreams. Go ahead. I'm waiting.

Gangsta rappers? Start praising America. Begin with the Pledge of
Allegiance. And please