Thats the number to call your congressman/woman. If you want lower gas prices call and demand it! They are there to work for us. Demand that they do what WE THE PEOPLE want them to do. The number again is 202-224-3121. Those of you who do want lower gass prices call and tell them. We will make sure they do not get back into office if they dont.
The alternitive energy is not going to be here before the winter returns. Speculators will drop the price immediatly if the government decides to get the oil that is availible to us. Its called Supply and Demand. If you understand please call. Its your right to express your opinion.
Those opposed do not need to post this is just for those who want lower prices...
The alternitive energy is not going to be here before the winter returns. Speculators will drop the price immediatly if the government decides to get the oil that is availible to us. Its called Supply and Demand. If you understand please call. Its your right to express your opinion.
Those opposed do not need to post this is just for those who want lower prices...
no one at all? lol wow
Thanks, but we took an alternate approach.
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Oh please tell me.. what is it? what is that alternitive you are going to fuel all the cars and trucks with right now? what is it you are going to out into the homes to heat this winter? What is that secret substance you are going to us to produce just about every product in our lives? How are you going to keep fuel costs down???? Please tell me? IM listeing Seriuosly.. I am listening? I would love to hear just how you plan on solving all those issues before this winter????? But do one thing first.... Pull your head out of your ass so We can hear you...
It's oil. The oil of the world isn't depleted. I didn't say I had an alternate fuel. We just have an alternate way of getting fuel prices to drop that doesn't include letting big oil drill here.
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I see with your "pull your head out of your ass" line that you are still being a fucking cry baby bitch. Just because you can't debate me, doesn't mean you have to be personal. So why don't you avoid addressing me unless you can do it civilly.
If sycophancy is what you want, you'll not get it from me. I give <u>my</u> opinion. If you don't want to hear differing opinions; only those that agree with you, perhaps you should've wrote that in your initial post. "Hey everyone, don't write shit unless I agree with you or I will verbally abuse you. I think it's you that has your head inserted in your anus. You love smelling your own shit... to say the very least.
I am sure Congress is aware we all want the prices to drop. Many of them that are working to bring the troops home, which if happens, <b>will</b> drop the prices. After all, the war is driving up demand. ;-)
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I see with your "pull your head out of your ass" line that you are still being a fucking cry baby bitch. Just because you can't debate me, doesn't mean you have to be personal. So why don't you avoid addressing me unless you can do it civilly.
If sycophancy is what you want, you'll not get it from me. I give <u>my</u> opinion. If you don't want to hear differing opinions; only those that agree with you, perhaps you should've wrote that in your initial post. "Hey everyone, don't write shit unless I agree with you or I will verbally abuse you. I think it's you that has your head inserted in your anus. You love smelling your own shit... to say the very least.
I am sure Congress is aware we all want the prices to drop. Many of them that are working to bring the troops home, which if happens, <b>will</b> drop the prices. After all, the war is driving up demand. ;-)
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I give TR a point for using the phrase "cry baby bitch"
Cuz it made me laugh. :P
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Cuz it made me laugh. :P
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Sorry again to disagree with you TR but drilling at home makes more sense than buying oil from the terrorist tolerant countries in the middle east. Once the speculators hear future oil will come from our own markets prices will start to decline. You are dreaming if you think bringing the troops home will solve our oil issues you and I both know no matter how much we want the wars to cease its it not Iraq it will be Iran or some other hot spot the good old USA cannot surrive without some kind of war as the movie "Zeil Geist" or whatever the hell it's called clearly pointed out it is the "Bankers" that manipulate this country and they do it by encouraging wars do you think that "Obama" or anyone else can control what decades have created? The good old Federal Reserve who seems to control the monopoly of world markets and do all they can to keep this country in war. I don't agree with everything in that movie but I think they have it spot on with the how the Fed reserve has keept us in war for decades all so those greedy bastards can make more money and build even more power. For those of you that have not watched that movie I encourage you to watch it. It goes a bit overboard with the theory that the USA was the ones who took down the twin towers but the part on the manipulation of world markets by the Fed Reserve is quite interesting. The movie also points out you don't have to pay Fed Income Taxes yeah right try not paying and see what happens those two agents that said they have not paid taxes since 1999 have either paid or are in jail I bet. No name calling by me to you TR but again I think we agree to disagree we need to drill for oil in this country and I like anyone do not want to see our beautiful beaches ruined (we live less than a mile from the best beach in the world) but 50 miles offshore drilling we are willing to take the risk something has to be done to get these energy cost down!
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There is nothing anyone is going to do in this forum to change the price of fuel here in the states. Overseas in England it's like 14 to 16 Euros a gal. But in Dubai it
We wouldn't have terrorist here if we weren't helping big oil try to steal these "terrorist tolerant" countries oil. We don't get the majority from the Middle East. We get it from Canada and Mexico. We need to bring our troops home from Iraq and 240 billion per year will be saved and the demand will drop. I am sorry, but I am not buying bigo oil's bullshit and strong arm tactics to force us to drill here. Besides, if we do drill here, why do we need to let them be the profiteers. Let's nationalize our oil here. We'll see just how bad they have it... Especially making record fucking profits. WAKE UP!
SXYCPL6972,
Regardless of China, we can do other things to drop prices. Bringing troops home is a start. Also, as I said, we don't need to let private companies drill anything. We can nationalize the fuel here. That way no corporation can control the entire country's economy. If we drill here, we should nationalize it. I think you'll find that these record breaking profiteers will be more eager to drop the price.
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SXYCPL6972,
Regardless of China, we can do other things to drop prices. Bringing troops home is a start. Also, as I said, we don't need to let private companies drill anything. We can nationalize the fuel here. That way no corporation can control the entire country's economy. If we drill here, we should nationalize it. I think you'll find that these record breaking profiteers will be more eager to drop the price.
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Also think about it, do you really think the oil cartel is going to drop their prices for us poor Americans if we remove are troops, especially if china is willing to pay more for their oil... I agree our Troops need to come home that would for sure help with the tax burdens that are upon us now...
hello, All oil companies are in bed with each other now days. don't think one bit that Mexico and Canada don't follow oil barrow prices set by OPEC.
I think one thing in regards to oil being so expensive is really not because of a shortage of oil, a lot of the reason for high gas prices in this country is because of insufficient refineries to keep up with demand. There has not been a new refinery built in this country since the 70's. Enviormentalists are the ones who have been successful keeping new ones from being built. So before we all jump on the band wagon to allow offshore drilling, maybe we should be calling on the government to approve more refineries being built.
Just my 2 cents.
Just my 2 cents.
So, if we push for local drilling, let's nationalize it.
http://www.collegiatetimes.com/news/2/ARTICLE/7001/2006-04-25.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nationalization
http://nationalizeoilallenergy.blogspot.com
If it's not about helping the rich "big oil" companies getting richer, but a company for the people and by the people, then none of this should matter. I bet the right will try and justify differently. This is all about the right interest holders getting richer. All fingers point at them. Just look where the money goes. Who's making record profits???
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CNKCPLJAX,
Then we have issues with decreased in air quality and diseases related to it. Utah reeks of putrid air.
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http://www.collegiatetimes.com/news/2/ARTICLE/7001/2006-04-25.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nationalization
http://nationalizeoilallenergy.blogspot.com
If it's not about helping the rich "big oil" companies getting richer, but a company for the people and by the people, then none of this should matter. I bet the right will try and justify differently. This is all about the right interest holders getting richer. All fingers point at them. Just look where the money goes. Who's making record profits???
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CNKCPLJAX,
Then we have issues with decreased in air quality and diseases related to it. Utah reeks of putrid air.
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Amen TR
TR, you have a point, it's a trade off, smelly air or cheaper gas. I believe once enough people are feeling pain in their pockets they'll choose cheaper gas.
TR, we have one problem here in the US 300,000,000 vehicles and they all use OIL derivative FUELS... Wake up you are not the only person in this world, sorry to be the one to break the news to you...
If the bench mark for oil prices are being set by the Chinese do you really think oil prices will just fall off by just removing our troops, at best it would help us with taxes and save many young american life
If the bench mark for oil prices are being set by the Chinese do you really think oil prices will just fall off by just removing our troops, at best it would help us with taxes and save many young american life
"Smelly air"? You mean deadly carcinogenic air. You mean ugly brown air. You mean respiratory illness air. I think refineries are a last resort. I think looking for alternates will cutting costs is the best route. I don't believe you should burn your house down to exterminate your mice.
SXYCPL6972,
The chinese were here 6 years ago. Why were they not driving the prices up then? I hate to be the one who slaps you awake, but the demand from china didn't suddenly appear. The truth is, we are being pressured because <b>private</b> profiteering oil companies have control. Everyone is complaining about how horrible it is to socialize or nationalize things. Look at Canada.. They shoot all that bullshit down.
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SXYCPL6972,
The chinese were here 6 years ago. Why were they not driving the prices up then? I hate to be the one who slaps you awake, but the demand from china didn't suddenly appear. The truth is, we are being pressured because <b>private</b> profiteering oil companies have control. Everyone is complaining about how horrible it is to socialize or nationalize things. Look at Canada.. They shoot all that bullshit down.
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TR, you are correct that alternative energy is the way to go however it will be many years before they become readily available to everyone. In the meanwhile more refineries would help with the cost of energy.
CNKCPLJAX,
I agree it would probably help the cost, but I think the evironmental cost is too high.
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I agree it would probably help the cost, but I think the evironmental cost is too high.
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BTW China is already drilling in the gulf near Cuba so lets just give them our oil...
http://www.americanfreepress.net/html/china_starts_oil_drilling.html
http://www.americanfreepress.net/html/china_starts_oil_drilling.html
Isn't that international waters? I've said it before... NATIONALIZE IT! I am all for opening up <b>some</b> of the areas if we nationalize the effort. Private oil "slant drills" under the Indian reservations here in Utah. Oh and I am all for trade with Cuba. Let's lift the Embargo, but nationalize oil. Looks like we're suffering some bad Karma from a 50 year embargo. eh? Don't get me wrong, the original reason was just, but 50 years is ridiculous.
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Were not all the 9/11 highjackers Saudi Arabian.
Well look at Hugo Chavez he wants to Nationalize Oil and what is he??? just Google him, BTW he does not hate America He hates BUSH remember he called him the Devil... lol
haha. I lubs it Bunny. :P
SXYCPL6972,
Just because Chavez wishes to Nationalize oil for his country, doesn't make the idea bad. Come on now. Bush wanted to invade a country, as did Hitler. Does that make Bush, Hitler? What is your own personal argument against nationalizing oil?
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Just because Chavez wishes to Nationalize oil for his country, doesn't make the idea bad. Come on now. Bush wanted to invade a country, as did Hitler. Does that make Bush, Hitler? What is your own personal argument against nationalizing oil?
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TR my only fear with Nationalizing oil what gets nationalized next??? Nationalize to me means letting the GOV control more why not just move to Russia or to Cuba? The more gov controls markets the worse shape we will be in There is no easy solution to this mess but starting by drilling and using oil from our own country would be a good place to start while we search for alternative energy source. maybe if we all tried driving less and walking more and reduced our consumption that might help.
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That is not an excuse in my book. That is a fear you have. If you are going to use that argument you can use it toward the right as well. If the right can tell you who to love, who to marry, whether or not you can study stem cells, if you can gamble, if you can buy a prostitute, if you can drink alcohol and when you can buy it, what you watch on TV, whether you can buy penetration porn, AND ON AND ON!!! All based on some fictional being in the clouds. Both sides want to enforce big government, just in different aspects. Nationalizing oil puts the power in the hands of the voter and not some fucking profiteer that can hold the country hostage. No entity, but the people as a whole should be directing this country. FUCK BIG OIL AND FUCK PRIVATE CORPORATIONS trying to gain the ability to rule the world.
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That is not an excuse in my book. That is a fear you have. If you are going to use that argument you can use it toward the right as well. If the right can tell you who to love, who to marry, whether or not you can study stem cells, if you can gamble, if you can buy a prostitute, if you can drink alcohol and when you can buy it, what you watch on TV, whether you can buy penetration porn, AND ON AND ON!!! All based on some fictional being in the clouds. Both sides want to enforce big government, just in different aspects. Nationalizing oil puts the power in the hands of the voter and not some fucking profiteer that can hold the country hostage. No entity, but the people as a whole should be directing this country. FUCK BIG OIL AND FUCK PRIVATE CORPORATIONS trying to gain the ability to rule the world.
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Well everyday there is laws passed by congress and every day we are becoming more and more of a socialized county. When our very own constitution is now consider a piece of paper and not have one meaning to anyone and 95% of this country don't even know we had one it make me sad. That piece of paper that made us free... now we are enslaved by our very own government, don
TR, who do you think gets people in to congress and the presidency. Do you think Bill Clinton coming from a states attorney, and a governor
So, if that aspect won't change, how is that an argument for not nationalizing it. LOL! You're not saying why. They'll have no interest in the oil if it's nationalized. So which corporations do you speak of. What would they pay these congressmen/women for? All you are proving is that instead of handing it directly to the corporations and letting them rule our economy, they have to try and buy it from congress. lol. You are proving my point, not yours. Thanks. <b> You can't convince me that nationalizing it, making it harder for corporations to touch it, is better than handing it directly to them, so they have full control over our economy.</b>
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You do not understand TR... look who is in congress now and look who will put that body of people together... hmmm... that is an easy one to figure out, our government is corrupted and if you were to nationalize oil now look who would form it, our current congress that is not doing a dam thing for us right now.. First we need to fix our government like put a term on how long one person can run for congress and senator.
Bullshit. You are worried that Democrats would form it. That's what it comes down to. Even though it's Republican's that caused us to be in the pickle we are in. It's currenty Republicans that are profitting off of the American people. I wonder how Bush makes his money.
If you wanna "take a look". It's big oil that's been caught trying to profit by privatizing oil in Iraq and now here. So yes, let's take a look. I do think we should nationalize it. I do think democrats have been better with money. 240 billion a year in a unjust war in Iraq isn't my idea of the "peoples interest". I think I will turn left at this fork in the road. But thanks for the offer. ;-)
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If you wanna "take a look". It's big oil that's been caught trying to profit by privatizing oil in Iraq and now here. So yes, let's take a look. I do think we should nationalize it. I do think democrats have been better with money. 240 billion a year in a unjust war in Iraq isn't my idea of the "peoples interest". I think I will turn left at this fork in the road. But thanks for the offer. ;-)
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The truth is we, as Americans, are programmed to consume as much as possible as fast as possible. That is why we are the fattest country per capita. We could enforce laws that require automobiles be hybrid. RIGHT NOW!
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well since your a Dem it makes since for you to socialize oil whats next... Looks like the Dems that are in the house is really helping getting our men out of Iraq... If that was their intest then they would be home today... look at the house there is enough Dems in their to over right any veto the presedent would have to pull our troops out, they run the house but they choose not too. Our presedent lied to us about the reason we went to Iraq hmmm Oil man "govern body"... so then I am with you :s lets nationalize oil and we all will pay later. look at history it repeats it self, look we add the federal reserve in 1913 and to this day know one knows who they Federal Reserve really is, but we do know it's a "private company"...
Yes and the Federal Reserve, like Big Oil, is backed by capitalist republicans like GW Bush. It's the right you are hitting with that one. ;-)
Let me also add that the war began before Congress was a Democrat Majority. Congress has the power to start a war. However, Article II, Section 2, Clause 1 of the Constitution, which makes the President the
Let me also add that the war began before Congress was a Democrat Majority. Congress has the power to start a war. However, Article II, Section 2, Clause 1 of the Constitution, which makes the President the
And Congress has the power to add stops...
Which they have ;-)
The issue is that when you make cuts, you hurt the troops and the mission. Take that from a military guy. I think congress has their hands tied.
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2007/05/20070501-6.html
It's Bush that stops Congress from imposing deadlines. McCain said in his own words that he would have our troops there for 100 years. In a country that has nothing to do with Al Qaeda, 9-11 or WMD's. Saudi Arabia, Iran and Syria are far better candidates for our action. This occupation of Iraq is purely about oil. Why do you think we don't bitch about Afghanistan??? <b>BECAUSE IT'S A JUST WAR!!!!</b> Stealing Iraq's oil isn't just.
The rise in oil prices are concurrent with the escalation in Iraq. Bush and Big Oil are the ones to gain both here and abroad. You're willing to make the rich richer and the poor poorer and kill the middle class. I say, no thanks. Fuck capitalism.
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The issue is that when you make cuts, you hurt the troops and the mission. Take that from a military guy. I think congress has their hands tied.
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2007/05/20070501-6.html
It's Bush that stops Congress from imposing deadlines. McCain said in his own words that he would have our troops there for 100 years. In a country that has nothing to do with Al Qaeda, 9-11 or WMD's. Saudi Arabia, Iran and Syria are far better candidates for our action. This occupation of Iraq is purely about oil. Why do you think we don't bitch about Afghanistan??? <b>BECAUSE IT'S A JUST WAR!!!!</b> Stealing Iraq's oil isn't just.
The rise in oil prices are concurrent with the escalation in Iraq. Bush and Big Oil are the ones to gain both here and abroad. You're willing to make the rich richer and the poor poorer and kill the middle class. I say, no thanks. Fuck capitalism.
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Folks, here's the real reason for high oil (and food) prices.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/06/05/AR2008060504322.html?hpid=topnews<br>
Its much more complex and sickening (as in greed) than you realize. I love good capitalism but it has been running amuck over the last 30 plus years. If you want to know whats really going on then always, and I mean ALWAYS follow the money!
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/06/05/AR2008060504322.html?hpid=topnews<br>
Its much more complex and sickening (as in greed) than you realize. I love good capitalism but it has been running amuck over the last 30 plus years. If you want to know whats really going on then always, and I mean ALWAYS follow the money!
ABCMAN I think you are partially right its not all about oil but oil does play a big part I do believe Bush and some others really do believe that the Mid East can be converted to democracy.
Lets not forget it's not only America that went to war in the mid east I sometimes think some forget that there is a collation of countries that sided with the current administration but OIL was by far the first thing on their minds.
You bring up a valid point if it was just about oil we would have taken the oil already but that would not allow the fat cats in the oil industry to have a reason to raise oil prices I don't care who is in charge democrats or republicans the greedy corporations always find a way to manipulate the GOV to do EXACTLY what they want.
Lets not forget it's not only America that went to war in the mid east I sometimes think some forget that there is a collation of countries that sided with the current administration but OIL was by far the first thing on their minds.
You bring up a valid point if it was just about oil we would have taken the oil already but that would not allow the fat cats in the oil industry to have a reason to raise oil prices I don't care who is in charge democrats or republicans the greedy corporations always find a way to manipulate the GOV to do EXACTLY what they want.
ABCMAN,
I'm not blaming republicans. I am blaming those that the republicans are investing in. They are for the legislation that protects their investments, this includes the companies that control our oil. The democrats are for nationalizing oil my friend. What I do say about republicans are that if they are in office, they will side with the wrong people. That their interests are not the people, but the corporations selling and stealing oil. That's what I am saying.
It <u>is</u> Iraq, it <u>is</u> big oil, it <u>is</u> bush, it <u>maybe</u> McCain, if the dumb shit is elected, it <u>is</u> the republicans, following their party on blind faith, like most of them do with their Christian God.
If drilling is what we need to do and profit is not the issue, then nationalizing oil will not affect anything. Nationalizing oil will put the power in the hands of the people instead of greedy capitalist profiteering monopolizing pigs. So again I disagree with you. Iraq doesn't owe us it's people's oil.
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p.s. Iraq will only be a democracy as long as we force it. I don't think we have the right to force our ideals on anyone. That bullshit is called oppression. We liberated them and they don't want it. They don't want another cult (Christianity) forced on them. THEY DON'T WANT IT! I laugh at all the fucking retards that try to say Obama is a Muslim. LIKE THAT FUCKING MATTERS!!! As an atheist, I would rather see a Muslim than a Christian in office any day.... Christians have done far more to adversely affect my life than Islam.
I'm not blaming republicans. I am blaming those that the republicans are investing in. They are for the legislation that protects their investments, this includes the companies that control our oil. The democrats are for nationalizing oil my friend. What I do say about republicans are that if they are in office, they will side with the wrong people. That their interests are not the people, but the corporations selling and stealing oil. That's what I am saying.
It <u>is</u> Iraq, it <u>is</u> big oil, it <u>is</u> bush, it <u>maybe</u> McCain, if the dumb shit is elected, it <u>is</u> the republicans, following their party on blind faith, like most of them do with their Christian God.
If drilling is what we need to do and profit is not the issue, then nationalizing oil will not affect anything. Nationalizing oil will put the power in the hands of the people instead of greedy capitalist profiteering monopolizing pigs. So again I disagree with you. Iraq doesn't owe us it's people's oil.
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p.s. Iraq will only be a democracy as long as we force it. I don't think we have the right to force our ideals on anyone. That bullshit is called oppression. We liberated them and they don't want it. They don't want another cult (Christianity) forced on them. THEY DON'T WANT IT! I laugh at all the fucking retards that try to say Obama is a Muslim. LIKE THAT FUCKING MATTERS!!! As an atheist, I would rather see a Muslim than a Christian in office any day.... Christians have done far more to adversely affect my life than Islam.
my family has two oil wells in texas, we are paid 8000.00 a month per well to keep them opperational but not pumping, we also had to sign a contract that said at the drop of a hat we would start pumping if the government asked us to. we didn't ask questions we sighned the contract twelve years ago and haven't pumped a drop of oil since.
that being said I think its a great idea to use everyone elses resources and then use ours it ensures that we will have resources long after anyone else, think of the future not just of the day just my two cents
jeremy
that being said I think its a great idea to use everyone elses resources and then use ours it ensures that we will have resources long after anyone else, think of the future not just of the day just my two cents
jeremy
People... listen. When you show the child that 2 + 2 =4 and you show the child time after time and he still cant get it.. He has to be taken into the special classes... It is hopeless to argue with a fool. You will just hurt your head from banging it against the wall.. The guy will not use or listen to facts. He uses youtube for his news . The guy will not even take the time to think rationaly.. nore will he even try to look at anyone elses point of view.. He is right and you are wrong regardless of what facts you bring to the table.. Dont waist your time..
Those of you who do use rational thought.. use the number and call.. they are starting to listen. A poll taken this week said that it is now up to around 70% of AMERICANS believe we should drill for domestic oil reserves. They would not even be debating it again if people didnt start screaming... call and tell them they will be voted out if they dont vote for it..
Those of you who do use rational thought.. use the number and call.. they are starting to listen. A poll taken this week said that it is now up to around 70% of AMERICANS believe we should drill for domestic oil reserves. They would not even be debating it again if people didnt start screaming... call and tell them they will be voted out if they dont vote for it..
I am all for an alteritive fuel in the future but that is not going to help us right now.. Let me ask you all a question.. Lets say who ever it is comes up with a new fuel today and it will give you 100 miles to the gallon.. Hell that is awsome.. Id love it myself. Well heres the problem. The motor companies will have to change the production lines right now for the new cars.
That cost will be tranfered down to you. The price of these new cars will be through the roof.
Next problem. All the gas stations will have to be updated to pump the new fuel.. again another cost transfered down to you.. and it goes on and on....
Oh wait there is the electric cars..... MMMM another great idea.. Well how will the electrical grid in this country be able to handle the amount of power it will have to provide when we all plug in at night???? Shit we have black and brown outs all over the place when it gets hot now. So they will have to upgrade the electrical grid in America... Humm???? who is gonna pay for that???? Put up a windmill...... Any Idea just how many we will need. You tree huggers will flip your lids.. We will have to clearcut entire mountainsides to have enough... or takeup massive areas of beach or ... Oh dear God (sorry) off shore.. and have to look at that.
That cost will be tranfered down to you. The price of these new cars will be through the roof.
Next problem. All the gas stations will have to be updated to pump the new fuel.. again another cost transfered down to you.. and it goes on and on....
Oh wait there is the electric cars..... MMMM another great idea.. Well how will the electrical grid in this country be able to handle the amount of power it will have to provide when we all plug in at night???? Shit we have black and brown outs all over the place when it gets hot now. So they will have to upgrade the electrical grid in America... Humm???? who is gonna pay for that???? Put up a windmill...... Any Idea just how many we will need. You tree huggers will flip your lids.. We will have to clearcut entire mountainsides to have enough... or takeup massive areas of beach or ... Oh dear God (sorry) off shore.. and have to look at that.
Ok.. lets come at this from a different point of view..
the original post was for everyone to call thier congress person and bitch for them to lower the fuel costs.. which they :
1: will never do.. they are too deep in the pockets of big oil
2: Can't - because as was bandied about unless you seize these companies and make them national property and responsibility - which returns us to #1.. no one to put the cash in the re election funds
Now then.. on to the true debate that we should be holding..
Alternative energy and how its going to be developed has been dropped into the laps of the very people WE DON"T want developing it.. Big Oil.. Our government is giving BILLIONS of dollars to these people ( THE OIL COMPANIES ) to come up with the next big thing.. a replacement for thier product..
It doesnt matter if its Bio Fuel (alcohol) Hydrogen, or friggin Sea water, if the big oil companies over the past 50 years have stiffelled the development of a 50 mile a gallon carberator, or a car that runs on water.. ( look it up.. there was one guy, supposedly had a engine that ran on water.. and he was paranoid that they were after him.. turns out he might have been right) Exactly WHY would they encourage something new Either by someone private, or developed thru DETRIOT, Or by themselves.
The honest question is, exactly WHY would they rush a new product out there, that would replace thier biggest money maker? It might be the greatest IDEA since sliced bread, HOWEVER, Slow to come online, expensive for the everyday american to convert, which again translates into slow profits..
As to why the current prices are the way they are.. Look back to Xmas time, with the speculators pushing for 100 bucks a barrel.. it was those idiots that showed there were enough people out there that the price would be SUSTAINED at 100+ a barrel.. what scares the shit out of me is the report that it will be 150 bucks by the end of summer.. Thats NOT an oil company rather the investors speculating again.
Two very sad facts..
the first Once it (the price) goes up it NEVER comes back to where it was..
The Second, in the current state of affairs, there is NO LIGHT at the end of the TUNNEL..
The cycle is coming back full circle.. I keep waiting for FORD to unviel the new PINTO or GM the new CHEVETTE
the original post was for everyone to call thier congress person and bitch for them to lower the fuel costs.. which they :
1: will never do.. they are too deep in the pockets of big oil
2: Can't - because as was bandied about unless you seize these companies and make them national property and responsibility - which returns us to #1.. no one to put the cash in the re election funds
Now then.. on to the true debate that we should be holding..
Alternative energy and how its going to be developed has been dropped into the laps of the very people WE DON"T want developing it.. Big Oil.. Our government is giving BILLIONS of dollars to these people ( THE OIL COMPANIES ) to come up with the next big thing.. a replacement for thier product..
It doesnt matter if its Bio Fuel (alcohol) Hydrogen, or friggin Sea water, if the big oil companies over the past 50 years have stiffelled the development of a 50 mile a gallon carberator, or a car that runs on water.. ( look it up.. there was one guy, supposedly had a engine that ran on water.. and he was paranoid that they were after him.. turns out he might have been right) Exactly WHY would they encourage something new Either by someone private, or developed thru DETRIOT, Or by themselves.
The honest question is, exactly WHY would they rush a new product out there, that would replace thier biggest money maker? It might be the greatest IDEA since sliced bread, HOWEVER, Slow to come online, expensive for the everyday american to convert, which again translates into slow profits..
As to why the current prices are the way they are.. Look back to Xmas time, with the speculators pushing for 100 bucks a barrel.. it was those idiots that showed there were enough people out there that the price would be SUSTAINED at 100+ a barrel.. what scares the shit out of me is the report that it will be 150 bucks by the end of summer.. Thats NOT an oil company rather the investors speculating again.
Two very sad facts..
the first Once it (the price) goes up it NEVER comes back to where it was..
The Second, in the current state of affairs, there is NO LIGHT at the end of the TUNNEL..
The cycle is coming back full circle.. I keep waiting for FORD to unviel the new PINTO or GM the new CHEVETTE
Its called supply and demand! very simple. the basics of econamy.
the additude of sit back and let it happen is horrible..
Where would we be if we took that attitude throughout history.
This is your country and if you want it to change you can not sit back and let it happen..
You do have a voice and it can be heard if we all get off our asses and yell. if that doesnt work we go to washington... ALL of us..
the additude of sit back and let it happen is horrible..
Where would we be if we took that attitude throughout history.
This is your country and if you want it to change you can not sit back and let it happen..
You do have a voice and it can be heard if we all get off our asses and yell. if that doesnt work we go to washington... ALL of us..
True they have 68 million achers to drill on right now..... BUT if there is no fucking oil there why would you drill... the asshole democrates will not let them drill were they KNOW the oil is... Now how much sence does that make?
If it is about big oil drilling in Iraq.. Maybe they wouldnt have to if the dems got their heads out of there asses and let them drill for domestic supplys they KNOW is here.....
Yes there are some areas where there is some oil.. But it is much harder and much more exspencive to get to than the areas off the coasts ans in Alsaka.. By the way The Alaskan people and the govener are screaming for congress to allow the oild companies to drill thier.
Oh and another thing. A poll by (libral) Quinnipiac University this past week stated that now more than 70% of Americans want to drill for domestic oil..... But then that doesnt matter to you Marxist/socialist does it?
Oh and another thing. A poll by (libral) Quinnipiac University this past week stated that now more than 70% of Americans want to drill for domestic oil..... But then that doesnt matter to you Marxist/socialist does it?
Calling for offshore drilling now will not lower gas prices today. If the government and states were to allow offshore drilling it would takes years before it had any effect on gas prices.
Hey surf. How is it that if I am the freedom and capatilism lover and you are the socialist and communism supporter (obama) I am the nazi.... I think you need to re read your history books..... Check mate
Also I realy want to know how the poll from a LIBRAL University asking weather or not the United States should drill for domestic oil reserves was unclear? Its a yes or no answer.. The poll actualy backfired on them.. They were expecting a hell of alot more treehuggers out there.... Some of us actualy do love this country and want to do the right things to keep it on the map.. If we can do something to help the econamy right now why not do it?
I do understand living where you do. the oil problems will not effect you as much.. Some of us have to heat our homes during the winter..
SURFRIDER619,
This person writing for SEXYCTCOUPLE only wants to hear his/her own opinion. Capitalism was not the original founding idealism of the U.S., yet this self-proclaimed legend in his/her own mind, seems to think it is. This genius thinks that letting the rich monopolize our society and control the poor is what make a free society. Middle class is dwindling and the only people that can afford quality anything are those that are already made. What's funny is these poor bastards are slitting their own throats.
They think the "drilling on our own soil" proposition, is a black and white issue. This proves to me that they are hasty foolish people that aren't capable of a good debate. They talk to hear their own voice. They don't wish to have a productive conversation, but to insult those that differ from their view. Don't waste your time debating trolls. You can't reason with unreasonable people.
CNKCPLJAX,
EXACTLY!
-D-
This person writing for SEXYCTCOUPLE only wants to hear his/her own opinion. Capitalism was not the original founding idealism of the U.S., yet this self-proclaimed legend in his/her own mind, seems to think it is. This genius thinks that letting the rich monopolize our society and control the poor is what make a free society. Middle class is dwindling and the only people that can afford quality anything are those that are already made. What's funny is these poor bastards are slitting their own throats.
They think the "drilling on our own soil" proposition, is a black and white issue. This proves to me that they are hasty foolish people that aren't capable of a good debate. They talk to hear their own voice. They don't wish to have a productive conversation, but to insult those that differ from their view. Don't waste your time debating trolls. You can't reason with unreasonable people.
CNKCPLJAX,
EXACTLY!
-D-
LOL hell Ill give you my address any time you like... Ill be waiting,, LOL matter of fact Im in LA a few times a year give me yours... we can chat any time.
Its absolutly amazing.You guys truly dont understand what socialism will do to the country, who will get hurt and who benefits. You prove that with every argument you have for it. The middle class are the ones who will loose in the long run. the super wealthy and the government are the only ones who make out in the long run. You guys are totaly showcasing your ignorace by thinking it is great... Absoluty insane.
Why waste your breath CT? They will be the ones begging for help when we start drilling for oil ten years from now becuase they didn't want to do so now. If we start the process now it will be in full production by then. If we don't, we will still be the puppets of the oil cartels. Some people don't understand that the minute the US starts drilling for oil in it's own backyard, the Arab countries will cut the price to try and slow our exploration and production down. Why would they do that? Simply supply and demand. The sooner we are producing our own oil the sooner we take away the power of the oil cartels.
Saudi has already said that it wants to get the prices down now. The reason? Because high prices are going to force the US to develop its own production and the development of alternative fuels. Therfore cutting the demand for oil from Saudi.
Some people on here think all we have to do is get an alternative fueled car on the road. Man are they lost. Some people don't understand that so many things are made from oil.
Others would be happy for the goverment to take over everything. Stupidity.
Others want everything given to them. Lazy
So why waste your time. Let them call you names and rant amongst themselves. They are simply so blinded by their own retoric they can't see the facts or maybe they simply can't understand the facts and fall back to their own retoric for comfort.
Saudi has already said that it wants to get the prices down now. The reason? Because high prices are going to force the US to develop its own production and the development of alternative fuels. Therfore cutting the demand for oil from Saudi.
Some people on here think all we have to do is get an alternative fueled car on the road. Man are they lost. Some people don't understand that so many things are made from oil.
Others would be happy for the goverment to take over everything. Stupidity.
Others want everything given to them. Lazy
So why waste your time. Let them call you names and rant amongst themselves. They are simply so blinded by their own retoric they can't see the facts or maybe they simply can't understand the facts and fall back to their own retoric for comfort.
2OFUSFORFUN,
You didn't mention bringing troops home or nationalizing efforts. Troops returning would drop demand and save 240 billion in expense per year. How about that? We also don't depend that much on the middle east. We get most of our oil from Canada and Mexico, my friend. Do some more research.
-D-
You didn't mention bringing troops home or nationalizing efforts. Troops returning would drop demand and save 240 billion in expense per year. How about that? We also don't depend that much on the middle east. We get most of our oil from Canada and Mexico, my friend. Do some more research.
-D-
See once again somebody only does part of the math. If we have our own oil Canada's will be thrown back on the international market. Amazingly that will effect SAUDI. Simple supply and demand. The amont of oil used in Iraq is a minor fraction of what we use. Would never effect the price of oil. And please don't forget that our military aircraft and trucks are utilized when they are home here in the US. Don't forget they still have to train.
Yes it would save some money if we brought the troops home. But not as much as you think. Don't forget that all of those Soldiers will still get paid if they are home. But Liberals love to leave that part of the math in the problem when they tally the cost of the war.
Yes it would save some money if we brought the troops home. But not as much as you think. Don't forget that all of those Soldiers will still get paid if they are home. But Liberals love to leave that part of the math in the problem when they tally the cost of the war.
Sorry for the double post. Internet Explorer froze on me.
They are not even close in their peacetime usage. Sorry, that's not a viable argument in my book. If we leave Iraq, the demand will drop significantly. As I said, I am all for drilling in <b>some</b> of these locations here, <b>only if we nationalize it.</b> I am not doing "part of the math". I realize letting them rape our environment will drop the prices. That's just like saying, if you rob people, you can get money really fast... But at what cost. No thanks.
Not to be argumentave here.. But, I know exactly what we use state side and over there. Have plenty of time working with both. Our aviation units over there are all on the FOBs and use vehicles only to move around the FOBs. Some people enter a vehicle maybe once a week while deployed over there. Granted some forces are on the move everyday. But somehow I think the fact that the ones over there can't utilize a vehicle like they do while in the States. Aircarft over there fly seven days a week. State side they normally only fly five.
I am not talking about NG/Reserve state side. I will admit that they use more fuel when they are deployed. But only as far as what they use for the military. They would still be burning fuel if they were at home.
RAPING our enviroment, as you call it will only be worse if we don't drill. Ever see a strip mine for coal or a strip mine for oil shale? If not check one out then look at an oil well and remember that the area that is considered for drilling in the area of ANWR is about the same size of any national airport and then consider the size of ANWR. Comparatively the area they want to drill is the equivalent of one typed letter on an 11X14 sheet of paper.
However, you may prefer that the world oil demand be met by the Chinese as they drill within sight of the Florida Coast. We can keep giving money to all of the foriegn goverments instead of creating good jobs here at home.
I just simply wish I new the Secret to Change that Obama does. No new drilling, continued moratorium on the development of oil shale and conversion of coal to oil. He must be a magician. But I think that will make a lot of Liberals happy until they have no car to drive and have to try and live off the land. But then the price of the corn that they would grow would be to valuable for them to eat. Bio fuels are going to starve us to death. But, I think that is what some of them want. To live off of the work done by others.
But this is my last post on this topic. Will take my own advice and quit wasting my time.
I am not talking about NG/Reserve state side. I will admit that they use more fuel when they are deployed. But only as far as what they use for the military. They would still be burning fuel if they were at home.
RAPING our enviroment, as you call it will only be worse if we don't drill. Ever see a strip mine for coal or a strip mine for oil shale? If not check one out then look at an oil well and remember that the area that is considered for drilling in the area of ANWR is about the same size of any national airport and then consider the size of ANWR. Comparatively the area they want to drill is the equivalent of one typed letter on an 11X14 sheet of paper.
However, you may prefer that the world oil demand be met by the Chinese as they drill within sight of the Florida Coast. We can keep giving money to all of the foriegn goverments instead of creating good jobs here at home.
I just simply wish I new the Secret to Change that Obama does. No new drilling, continued moratorium on the development of oil shale and conversion of coal to oil. He must be a magician. But I think that will make a lot of Liberals happy until they have no car to drive and have to try and live off the land. But then the price of the corn that they would grow would be to valuable for them to eat. Bio fuels are going to starve us to death. But, I think that is what some of them want. To live off of the work done by others.
But this is my last post on this topic. Will take my own advice and quit wasting my time.
2OFUSFORFUN
You do realize that when we have troops in a war zone they get paid an extra Hazardous Duty Pay. Is it a whole lot? No... however it does add up. So to suggest that the pay really isn't effected is ridiculous. So lets not even bring that up.
However I do agree that fuel really isn't a huge demand for the deployment and really doesn't effect the price. The truth of the matter is that this countries fuel consumption grows exponentially every year as population increases and our love of bigger and badder cars increases.
However this isn't a mere supply and demand equation. This is pure psychology at work on the part of big oil. They raise and raise and raise. Then they will come down little by little for a few months, to the point where everyone feels some relief. Then they will raise and raise and raise, then come down a little for a few months. This has been the process for the past few years.
From a purely marketing standpoint (and folks this is what I do for a living) this is a brilliant strategy. However it is one substantiated by greed, and nothing more.
To nationalize the oil would probably effectively give us relief.
Here is FACT for all of you who wear your rose colored glasses. Exxon Mobile, Shell, Total and BP are all in the final stages RIGHT NOW of regaining a NO BID contract to return to Iraq (36 YEARS after losing their concession to nationalization). It's a good thing this war wasn't about Oil...
Oh... wait....
You do realize that when we have troops in a war zone they get paid an extra Hazardous Duty Pay. Is it a whole lot? No... however it does add up. So to suggest that the pay really isn't effected is ridiculous. So lets not even bring that up.
However I do agree that fuel really isn't a huge demand for the deployment and really doesn't effect the price. The truth of the matter is that this countries fuel consumption grows exponentially every year as population increases and our love of bigger and badder cars increases.
However this isn't a mere supply and demand equation. This is pure psychology at work on the part of big oil. They raise and raise and raise. Then they will come down little by little for a few months, to the point where everyone feels some relief. Then they will raise and raise and raise, then come down a little for a few months. This has been the process for the past few years.
From a purely marketing standpoint (and folks this is what I do for a living) this is a brilliant strategy. However it is one substantiated by greed, and nothing more.
To nationalize the oil would probably effectively give us relief.
Here is FACT for all of you who wear your rose colored glasses. Exxon Mobile, Shell, Total and BP are all in the final stages RIGHT NOW of regaining a NO BID contract to return to Iraq (36 YEARS after losing their concession to nationalization). It's a good thing this war wasn't about Oil...
Oh... wait....
LOL.. The money really makes me laugh.. I have 36 months boots on ground in Iraq. Trust me the 225 dollars a month in combat pay, in the big scape of things is nothing...
Oh make no mistake I did not mean to suggest that the pay is enough for our troops. Trust me my wife had 11 years air force, and just recently got out for VERY specific reasons with our family.
However to suggest that simply we pay our troops either way is silly. When every 5 troops accounts for $1000 per month extra when they are there (according to your dollar amount). I'm more than sure that every troop there would rather not get that extra (laugh) money per month and come home, than be there and get it.
So my point is that it's in everyone's best interest to not be there.
See?
And Neocon is such a misused term. I hate to hear it used in terms of Bush. As it really doesn't apply.
However to suggest that simply we pay our troops either way is silly. When every 5 troops accounts for $1000 per month extra when they are there (according to your dollar amount). I'm more than sure that every troop there would rather not get that extra (laugh) money per month and come home, than be there and get it.
So my point is that it's in everyone's best interest to not be there.
See?
And Neocon is such a misused term. I hate to hear it used in terms of Bush. As it really doesn't apply.
Yes, lets nationalize oil like the Government wants, the same ones who bankrupted Medicare and Social Security, I'm sure they wont do the same to a nationalized oil industry. Nationalizing it will do nothing as we are dependent upon the current market price of a barrel of oil from foreign countries. On top of that the Government knows nothing about oil exploration, nor its technologies.
Who are you trying to kid?
What needs to happen is to increase supply, and by drilling in ANWAR, and the recently discovered reserve under North and South Dakota, etc. and thus reducing our dependence on oil supplied by OPEC (Countries known to harbor / and or support terrorists). In the meantime while drilling and exploration is occurring, introduce legislation to mandate research into alternative fuels that can be produced on a large scale.
You do realize that china is begining to drill 60 miles off the Florida coast with the approval of Cuba, but yet we cant.....
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On a side note, as to the topic of troop pay in a combat zone....
The Troops signed up for a life / and or X amount of years in the armed forces, performing the wishes of their Commander In Chief / Congress. War was and is an option in that commitment. To complain about the pay received after signing the dotted line is like paying a hooker $50 to give you a blow job and then bitch that she didn't let you fuck her in the ass.
I for one would be proud to serve my country and have tried to so, unfortunatley I was unable to do so due to a fun, but bad childhood record.
Who are you trying to kid?
What needs to happen is to increase supply, and by drilling in ANWAR, and the recently discovered reserve under North and South Dakota, etc. and thus reducing our dependence on oil supplied by OPEC (Countries known to harbor / and or support terrorists). In the meantime while drilling and exploration is occurring, introduce legislation to mandate research into alternative fuels that can be produced on a large scale.
You do realize that china is begining to drill 60 miles off the Florida coast with the approval of Cuba, but yet we cant.....
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On a side note, as to the topic of troop pay in a combat zone....
The Troops signed up for a life / and or X amount of years in the armed forces, performing the wishes of their Commander In Chief / Congress. War was and is an option in that commitment. To complain about the pay received after signing the dotted line is like paying a hooker $50 to give you a blow job and then bitch that she didn't let you fuck her in the ass.
I for one would be proud to serve my country and have tried to so, unfortunatley I was unable to do so due to a fun, but bad childhood record.
Not sure I follow your analogy. No where did I suggest anything of the sort. I was responding to the post suggesting that the troops are paid whether here or there. Which is just breezing over the combat pay they get when in a war zone as though it doesn't amount to anything substantial (which it clearly does).
But drilling anywhere you find oil, just to save a buck is not a responsible way of doing it. Not to mention, that much like a drug addict, it's enabling us to continue our bad habits at lower cost (which then creates a blas
But drilling anywhere you find oil, just to save a buck is not a responsible way of doing it. Not to mention, that much like a drug addict, it's enabling us to continue our bad habits at lower cost (which then creates a blas
Nationalize oil hmmmm lets see oh I get it the GOV will control the oil ahhh yes that might work and what will they do? Oh well if they handle it like they do the rest of GOV they will let some "CONTRACTOR" like "Haliburton" come in and run the program with gov GS employees to act as the "Quality Control". So we are back to step one now instead of getting raked over the coals by the BIG oil Co.'s we instead get to line some contractors pockets with our hard earned tax dollars!
SO you prefer the alternative of allowing Big Oil to continue to drive up cost for pure profit, and throw us into a recession?
Here is a excerpt from one of my wife's Finals in school on this very subject. You can do the research yourself to fact check.
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<em>"In 2003, ExxonMobil set records for the most profit ever generated by any company at a whopping $21 Billion. Since then, the record has been broken and the bar set a little higher by none other than ExxonMobil themselves. Reported earnings from 2004 were $25.3 Billion, $36.1 Billion in 2005, and $39.5 Billion in 2006. New York Times journalist Jad Mouawad (2008) reports,
Here is a excerpt from one of my wife's Finals in school on this very subject. You can do the research yourself to fact check.
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<em>"In 2003, ExxonMobil set records for the most profit ever generated by any company at a whopping $21 Billion. Since then, the record has been broken and the bar set a little higher by none other than ExxonMobil themselves. Reported earnings from 2004 were $25.3 Billion, $36.1 Billion in 2005, and $39.5 Billion in 2006. New York Times journalist Jad Mouawad (2008) reports,
HUBBY, and most of the other posters;
Unfortunatley you neglected to address any of the points I made.
At this point, all I can say is thank god you live in a prodominlatley republican state and that the electoral college is still in effect.
You may as well be preaching to the LDS choir about catholic views.
Unfortunatley you neglected to address any of the points I made.
At this point, all I can say is thank god you live in a prodominlatley republican state and that the electoral college is still in effect.
You may as well be preaching to the LDS choir about catholic views.
Drew;
As far as your point about the military perhaps you should understand the oath that botht he President and the Enlisted take when taking on their duties:
Presidential Oath:
"I, [name], do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter. So help me God."
Enlisted Military:
"I, _____, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God."
So to sum up. The Military should take orders directly from the president without reservation. The president should give orders based on preserving and protecting the Constitution. The president does NOT have the power to declare war - only congress does. So to say that it is simply "what they signed up for" is not even close to a good argument.
In terms of energy and control. You have not given me any facts to support your suggestion that the government knows nothing about fuel exploration or control.
Based on other government controlled devices, I would support your theory that they'd fuck up oil control... however at this point we have little choice. I don't support just drilling wherever oil can be found. It doesn't put pressure on alternative fuels enough. Thats where the country really needs to direct it's resources so I think we agree there.
As far as your point about the military perhaps you should understand the oath that botht he President and the Enlisted take when taking on their duties:
Presidential Oath:
"I, [name], do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter. So help me God."
Enlisted Military:
"I, _____, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God."
So to sum up. The Military should take orders directly from the president without reservation. The president should give orders based on preserving and protecting the Constitution. The president does NOT have the power to declare war - only congress does. So to say that it is simply "what they signed up for" is not even close to a good argument.
In terms of energy and control. You have not given me any facts to support your suggestion that the government knows nothing about fuel exploration or control.
Based on other government controlled devices, I would support your theory that they'd fuck up oil control... however at this point we have little choice. I don't support just drilling wherever oil can be found. It doesn't put pressure on alternative fuels enough. Thats where the country really needs to direct it's resources so I think we agree there.
1) Water, Gas and Electricity are all regulated by the U.S. They cannot raise prices without asking first. The same should apply to fuel. These are essentials. Nationalization prevents monopolies. It prevents a private corporation from holding the country hostage, like what is happening. If I have to choose between the government gouging me or some profiteer, I choose government, where it's still being used within the government and not making some rich fuck richer.
2) We don't need to hire contractors, just create another department in the government. Just like we did after 9/11 with the TSA. I would much rather have the people in control and influence legislatively, then have some blood/cocksucking corporation bending me over.
3) I am for drilling of the coast of florida as long the efforts are nationalized.
2) We don't need to hire contractors, just create another department in the government. Just like we did after 9/11 with the TSA. I would much rather have the people in control and influence legislatively, then have some blood/cocksucking corporation bending me over.
3) I am for drilling of the coast of florida as long the efforts are nationalized.
TR I agree if the GOV actually created a work force but some one will eventually look at Contracting the service to a big private corp that is what has happened with our military look at your bases now when you drive up to the base where you used to see military guards you see some contractor providing this service. I may be wrong but I would bet YOUR paycheck that Haliburton or some other big money contractor will be running the 'Nationalized oil" program. The government is always looking for ways to do something cheaper and they do these studies and most times decide to "contract out" the government program Nationalized oil will be no different. It's only a matter of time before the same happens to the TSA its a new gov service give it a few years and you will see the services contracted out to some private Corp with big dollars. I watched this happen with many military jobs over my 20 yr military career if the oil could be nationalized with a assurances that some big money contractor like Haliburton wouldn't end up taking over the program then I would support Nationalized oil. What happens when the services get contracted yes they can do it cheaper unfortunately the quality is out the window!
It would still be in our control (vote) and not in total control of a private corporation. The alternative is far worse. After all you are handing it right to them and your rule of Quality would still apply. I would much rather have <i>some</i> say, than none at all. I sure as fuck don't want to be strong armed into decisions by some fucking corporate shithead.
BTW, The TSA replaced private companies. That was the purpose. I would be cool with them opening the TSA and Nationalized Oil up to private corporations. It allows regulation and competition amongst companies to bid. This makes it cheaper and it allows us to put limits on these greedy cocksuckers.
I will totally admit that some government agencies/programs haven't worked out. To say all of them haven't is just plain bullshit! Not to mention, that we still have the power to change and divert funds to those that aren't working. If we allow Big Oil to continue to take over the world, we are selling our freedom and souls to corporations. NO THANKS! Corporate America can't be trusted. Look at it's record for fuck sake. Can you say ENRON, Bill Gates or Martha Stewart. I would also like to say that this country wasn't founded on capitalism. I don't think any extreme is the answer. I think a moderate centrist mentality is what is needed in order to make this shit work.
-D-
P.S. Watch a movie called "Pirates of the Silicon Valley". Capitalism isn't anymore honorable or 'American' than socialism. What we need is middle ground.
BTW, The TSA replaced private companies. That was the purpose. I would be cool with them opening the TSA and Nationalized Oil up to private corporations. It allows regulation and competition amongst companies to bid. This makes it cheaper and it allows us to put limits on these greedy cocksuckers.
I will totally admit that some government agencies/programs haven't worked out. To say all of them haven't is just plain bullshit! Not to mention, that we still have the power to change and divert funds to those that aren't working. If we allow Big Oil to continue to take over the world, we are selling our freedom and souls to corporations. NO THANKS! Corporate America can't be trusted. Look at it's record for fuck sake. Can you say ENRON, Bill Gates or Martha Stewart. I would also like to say that this country wasn't founded on capitalism. I don't think any extreme is the answer. I think a moderate centrist mentality is what is needed in order to make this shit work.
-D-
P.S. Watch a movie called "Pirates of the Silicon Valley". Capitalism isn't anymore honorable or 'American' than socialism. What we need is middle ground.
sexyctcouple said:
"....You guys are totaly showcasing your ignorace by thinking it is great... Absoluty insane."
Here we go again..... hey here's an idea... why not build a car powered by faith !!!!!
(Just my way of eulogizing George Carlin...)
(I'll go crawl back into my hole again.... don't mind me )
"....You guys are totaly showcasing your ignorace by thinking it is great... Absoluty insane."
Here we go again..... hey here's an idea... why not build a car powered by faith !!!!!
(Just my way of eulogizing George Carlin...)
(I'll go crawl back into my hole again.... don't mind me )
Sorry for the cross post, but this fits...
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This is a subject that is going to go nowhere. I could care less who gets rich off of oil because eventually it will be all gone, but we will still have our constitution which we have less of now than when it started with. We are losing more and more rights everyday like water, That is a great example. I cannot install a well on my property and drink water from, I have to have city water and I am more urban than city but the government regulators say
The same can be said with the 'Right'. They regularly violate the 1st Amendment. They tell you what you can say, who you can marry, who you can fuck, where you can fuck them and in which orifice. They tell you what is indecent and what is art. They dicate your life according to their "good book". Unconstitutionally legislating their dogma is their M.O. So spare use the governmental control thing. Socializing certain things is a must to ensure that everyone has a chance and not just the rich. A straight capitalist society doesn't work either. That is exactly why this country is divided. Socialism, like capitalism is only good if it's regulated. Right now, capitalism is got free reign to fuck the little guy. That's not how it's suppose to work. Balance is the key. Balance.
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P.S. Think moderation.
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P.S. Think moderation.
Bullshit... Bush (republican) has had interest in OIL in the middle east and here all along. He and Cheney stood to gain (Haliburton). Come on man.. You're not fooling anyone with that shit. You can drink your koolaid all you like too. You have your theory and I have mine. I see where the money is going. That's why I say, NATIONALIZE IT NOW! OBAMA 2008! Nationalizing it will prevent those "neighbors down the street from investing". It cuts the private bullshit out. Thanks for proving my point. ;-)
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LOL 1 and 1 is 2 No it is not...... LOL and going and going and going and going
Don here is a brick of gold..... No thats lead I dont want it...
Hey Don you are gonna love socialism. I hope this sight is still around in 4 years so you can let us know how wrong you were.. LOL Hell the way things are going I hope we are all around. Shit even Hillary would be a better choice than this radical left wing marxist......
The ticket might as well be Obama/Marx 08!
They both want the same things... Read the book......
Don here is a brick of gold..... No thats lead I dont want it...
Hey Don you are gonna love socialism. I hope this sight is still around in 4 years so you can let us know how wrong you were.. LOL Hell the way things are going I hope we are all around. Shit even Hillary would be a better choice than this radical left wing marxist......
The ticket might as well be Obama/Marx 08!
They both want the same things... Read the book......
<b>ABC,</b>
Bullshit. Nationalizing oil is not stupid. That's your opinion. I don't care if Obama is for it or not. I am. So which is it, are you in bed with him or am I??? You have more in common right??? LOL! Nothing I've said is "communist". Socializing or Nationalizing some of the way we do things doesn't make us Communist. That's just fearmongering Rightwing NEOCON bullshit propaganda. Socialist views are no more unAmerican than Capitalist. Capitalism wasn't around in the childhood of our country.
You seem to have your head so far up the republican parties ass, just like the rest of these zealots in utah, you can't see past the end of your nose. Here, you are told how to live, drink, eat, fuck and whatever else constitutes freedom or lack thereof.
It's not me pledging for bigger government, it's you. You want a Christian, Republican, Capitalist, government that has no stops in it's way from using private corporations to control our economy, unconstitutional laws that tell us who we can marry, who we can fuck, what we can consume, what we can say, what we can view etc. I don't want a communist society. I want a society that has moderation, equalibrium, centrism.
You're are the sheep being fed the bullshit and you're buying it. What religion are you?? HMMM I wonder.. What party are you registered with? Can I take a guess? Why do you think the majority of Christians are Republicans???? Which party fights gay rights? Which party fights marijuana legalization? Which party fights against stem cell research? Which party fights cloning?
I could go on all night about how it's pure Capitalism that creates a divide in the country and slowly kills the middle class, like now and promotes oppression. We need checks and balances.
So instead of saying "nationalizing oil is stupid", why don't you state why? Try throwing aside the bullshit like saying, "All goverment programs suck" and use some logic. Give me a reason it won't work. Show me how giving the power to the people isn't a good thing. Show me how it's not smart to allow it to be something that is legislated and regulated by the people. That's what democracy is. Nationalizing <u>is not</u> socializing. No one is suggesting that we ration oil out. So do us a favor and leave out the disinformative bullshit and give it to us straight.
<b>SEXYCTCOUPLE,</b>
Again, you are saying you are belting out facts, yet if your rants were widely accepted as fact, like 1+1=2 and not opinion (which the are), then we'd all be siding with you, eh? Sorry slim, but your just clapping yourself on the back, as usually and offering nothing but your opinion, like everyone else. So unless you have something other than your smug delusions of grandeur, execute an about face and kindly move out swiftly and draw fire, hooah?!
;-)
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P.S. So, if I am the Communist, Socialist, Marxist, Leftist, doesn't that make you guys the Capitalist, Fascist, Christian Nationalist, Zionist etc etc etc.
Try this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_democracy
Bullshit. Nationalizing oil is not stupid. That's your opinion. I don't care if Obama is for it or not. I am. So which is it, are you in bed with him or am I??? You have more in common right??? LOL! Nothing I've said is "communist". Socializing or Nationalizing some of the way we do things doesn't make us Communist. That's just fearmongering Rightwing NEOCON bullshit propaganda. Socialist views are no more unAmerican than Capitalist. Capitalism wasn't around in the childhood of our country.
You seem to have your head so far up the republican parties ass, just like the rest of these zealots in utah, you can't see past the end of your nose. Here, you are told how to live, drink, eat, fuck and whatever else constitutes freedom or lack thereof.
It's not me pledging for bigger government, it's you. You want a Christian, Republican, Capitalist, government that has no stops in it's way from using private corporations to control our economy, unconstitutional laws that tell us who we can marry, who we can fuck, what we can consume, what we can say, what we can view etc. I don't want a communist society. I want a society that has moderation, equalibrium, centrism.
You're are the sheep being fed the bullshit and you're buying it. What religion are you?? HMMM I wonder.. What party are you registered with? Can I take a guess? Why do you think the majority of Christians are Republicans???? Which party fights gay rights? Which party fights marijuana legalization? Which party fights against stem cell research? Which party fights cloning?
I could go on all night about how it's pure Capitalism that creates a divide in the country and slowly kills the middle class, like now and promotes oppression. We need checks and balances.
So instead of saying "nationalizing oil is stupid", why don't you state why? Try throwing aside the bullshit like saying, "All goverment programs suck" and use some logic. Give me a reason it won't work. Show me how giving the power to the people isn't a good thing. Show me how it's not smart to allow it to be something that is legislated and regulated by the people. That's what democracy is. Nationalizing <u>is not</u> socializing. No one is suggesting that we ration oil out. So do us a favor and leave out the disinformative bullshit and give it to us straight.
<b>SEXYCTCOUPLE,</b>
Again, you are saying you are belting out facts, yet if your rants were widely accepted as fact, like 1+1=2 and not opinion (which the are), then we'd all be siding with you, eh? Sorry slim, but your just clapping yourself on the back, as usually and offering nothing but your opinion, like everyone else. So unless you have something other than your smug delusions of grandeur, execute an about face and kindly move out swiftly and draw fire, hooah?!
;-)
-D-
P.S. So, if I am the Communist, Socialist, Marxist, Leftist, doesn't that make you guys the Capitalist, Fascist, Christian Nationalist, Zionist etc etc etc.
Try this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_democracy
Don you said,
"but your just clapping yourself on the back as usually and offering nothing but your opinion, like everyone else"
As are you
"but your just clapping yourself on the back as usually and offering nothing but your opinion, like everyone else"
As are you
SEXYCTCOUPLE
I haven't read a single intelligent thing from you in a few days. Either knock off the trolling or add to the debate.
I haven't read a single intelligent thing from you in a few days. Either knock off the trolling or add to the debate.
Drew,
Agreed! I am not using the 1+1=2 analogy. I am not saying that I am presenting undeniable fact as is true with 1+1=2. I whole-heartedly agree that what I present is my opinion and that what I think will work is a <u>theory</u>. Again, I am not passing analogies that suggest fact. Which is why I said, "like everyone else". Which includes me.
;-)
-D-
Agreed! I am not using the 1+1=2 analogy. I am not saying that I am presenting undeniable fact as is true with 1+1=2. I whole-heartedly agree that what I present is my opinion and that what I think will work is a <u>theory</u>. Again, I am not passing analogies that suggest fact. Which is why I said, "like everyone else". Which includes me.
;-)
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ABC,
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""Comrade Che"....again you revert to slandering, calling names, telling me who I'm in bed with..."
"Damn Don, I'm going to buy you a Obama bumper sticker, T-shirt and pom-poms!! Your so in bed with the guy!!!.... "
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You just called me a name, whilst telling me I am calling you names. Furthermore, you told me I was in bed with Obama. TEXTBOOK Hypocrisy!!! Sorry dude you just stepped on your own dick. HAHAHAHAHA!
You got shitty and uncivilized with me to begin with. You didn't like your condescension throw back in your face and you got mad. You are giving me your opinion. I don't agree and you are getting upset with me. I also think that I touched a nerve when I spoke the truth. Are you not a republican? What religious background do you come from?
You see while I respect your opinion about politics, I do not agree with it. As for you opinion of me, I could give a fuck. You are free to call me whatever you wish, I just don't buy the NEOCON bullshit, which is also my prerogative, and I don't care what a guy calling himself ABCMAN on a swinger website thinks of me. So stow that shit for someone who gives a fuck. Just go easy and we can agree to disagree.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_democracy
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""Comrade Che"....again you revert to slandering, calling names, telling me who I'm in bed with..."
"Damn Don, I'm going to buy you a Obama bumper sticker, T-shirt and pom-poms!! Your so in bed with the guy!!!.... "
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You just called me a name, whilst telling me I am calling you names. Furthermore, you told me I was in bed with Obama. TEXTBOOK Hypocrisy!!! Sorry dude you just stepped on your own dick. HAHAHAHAHA!
You got shitty and uncivilized with me to begin with. You didn't like your condescension throw back in your face and you got mad. You are giving me your opinion. I don't agree and you are getting upset with me. I also think that I touched a nerve when I spoke the truth. Are you not a republican? What religious background do you come from?
You see while I respect your opinion about politics, I do not agree with it. As for you opinion of me, I could give a fuck. You are free to call me whatever you wish, I just don't buy the NEOCON bullshit, which is also my prerogative, and I don't care what a guy calling himself ABCMAN on a swinger website thinks of me. So stow that shit for someone who gives a fuck. Just go easy and we can agree to disagree.
-D-
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_democracy
I agree that several factors are causing it. I just choose to end and unjust war, nationalizing efforts and seeking fuel alternative long term are better than fucking our environment, giving greedy capitalist pigs our money, electing a man that will continue an idiots policies. There are several solutions that will work. "Drilling here and Drilling Now" will work, but at what cost???? NO THANKS!
So, we agree that there are many factors and everyone has some blame. I just place more where I think it's deserved. I also choose the little guy over the big guy. I choose no god over a god or god. I choose liberty over religious oppression. I choose to protect the environment over savings at the pump. I choose not to be strong armed by Big Oil. I choose not to support and idiot calling himself G.W. Bush or his proteg
So, we agree that there are many factors and everyone has some blame. I just place more where I think it's deserved. I also choose the little guy over the big guy. I choose no god over a god or god. I choose liberty over religious oppression. I choose to protect the environment over savings at the pump. I choose not to be strong armed by Big Oil. I choose not to support and idiot calling himself G.W. Bush or his proteg
I wish I could step on my own dick...
that would be awesome!
that would be awesome!
ABCMAN, Agreed. Peace brutha.
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