Swingers Forum - Out of bounds.....

This an email I recieved..... Nice.
Sorry but I can't debate you.
After seeing how many times you have said "god bless" in your posts
I have no other choice but to conclude that you are delusional.
Any intelligent person who can make a case in his imagination that there
actually exists a big daddy up in the sky who is controlling everything is.... delusional !!!!!

Have fun with your imaginary friend

*chants* Jerry! Jerry! Jerry!

I learned a LONG time ago...that you simply can't reason with the unreasonable. This goes for the God-Mongers and Athiest-Nazi's alike...oh, and of course everyone in between.

"In Heaven, all the interesting people are missing."
-Friederich Nietzshe

Diversity is what keeps life interesting...provided we all stay off of our soapboxes. That goes for everyone!

J

RIDERZ: Love the comic relief....haha..thank you!

It has been really hot here in Florida and maybe the heat got the best of them. Personally, we feel the world is segregated enough and we don`t want to make it worse by segration of religious beliefs.

Damn... thats screwed up shit... granted exeryone is entitled to their own opinion... even tho some are like ass holes and stink... but slamming u and your beliefs is not only rude but down right ignorant... as many of u know some people be-little others and put their beliefs down because they either dont understand or are afraid of the knowledge and enlightenment that comes from broadening ones horisions.... they would rather knock others down to make them selces feel better... it sucks that someone is so close minded that when u expressed concern they choose to slam u... its sad that there are people in the world that are that way...

im not sure where i would fit i as far as religion goes.. i was born and raised till 16 in the mormon church... then when 19 or so went to church with my sister (catholic) for a few years... but as far as saying i am devoted to one belief or another ... im not... but as far as things go i try to avoid discussing religion as much as politics...

Chad could u e mail me your attachment "apathy" itd make for a real cool tattoo....
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thanks Dennis

SEXYCT, we are sorry to hear that you received such an e-mail. We have not agreed with everything you posted but we respect your right to post it. We encourage you to continue to speak your mind and express your opinions. If everyone starts feeling the same way and having the same opinions we might want to check the water. Have a great day all!

R&S

JBHOTROD....lol.... Well said!

I am the "asshole" that wrote that response to him.

And his integrity or lack thereof is proof enough that he doesn't deserve
to be treated with kindness. That's how I feel concerning him.

You're some piece of work.

I honored your request to cease written communication with you.
I see how honorable your verbal commitment to let it rest and not post what was said is.

I apologize, because I was out of line to bring his beliefs into the picture.
I had already sized up my feelings about him based on his forum posts.

In the meantime that day,
I got yet another bulletin on Myspace that was pushing Christian ideals
in the worst possible way I can think of...

"Dear god why did you allow all those school children to be killed"
"Because I am not allowed in public schools"

Reading that made me see red.... the anger welled up in me.
And when I logged on here and got a letter
from him.... I took it out on him and that was wrong of me.
So I apologize for saying to him how I truly feel inside about religion in general.

I've tried to copy and paste and I can't get it to work on this site.
Unfortunately that caused me to leave out things I wished to address..
but perhaps looking back... that's a good thing.

um.....

Aint that a bitch..... He should have thought of that before he before he attacked me.. He threw the first shot and then didnt let it go. The forum is one thing personal attck is another.. Life's a bitch then you get email...

Oh and do us a favor and hit the delete button

Sexyctcouple. You did nothing wrong and to hell with the intolerant sons-o-bitches. I'm not religeous, but being blasted for saying God Bless is just so fucking ridiculous.

Thank you..
Its sad to think that we are now living in a country where if you say God bless or Merry Christmas. It is thought of as an attack.... Thank you ACLU.. what happen to we need to live in harmony and respect eachothers freedoms?

I declare first that I am not taking sides... as long as humans exist, so will this argument...

My comments do apply either way, look at them with reason and without emotion or religious fervor. I will show that the outcome is more important than either side in this "belief" argument.

This may sound harsh at first but both sides bear with me here... and think.

if we could start by just eliminating Religious Philosophy as Political Policy that would be a giant step forward and toward peace. Goodness is good whether it is being preached by a religious sect or an Atheist. Even the Darwinists believe that Happiness, Joy and Peace are important conditions for the species to thrive...

So we really have no argument... Humanists, Darwinists, Atheists, Agnostics, Deists and the Religious (all sects) believe that Happiness, Joy and Peace are the best way for us to thrive. (please leave me alone about the few wild exceptions to this, I mean in general)

Even some of our Founding Fathers, contrary to popular belief, (jefferson particularly) were quite concerned about the results of undue influence by religious thought on the Republic and in Government. This seems contradictory but its true.

Governments do not need to be in the morality business at all. The religious should not be offended if the government has NO religious symbolism in it whatsoever. Its really ok for Government to be neutral, Religion is handled at the level of the respective churches and although it may seem comforting, government should have none of it and it should just be neutral as regards to religion. Governments are really just a bunch of people with jobs anyway. We cant tell them how to believe so how can we think that the inanimate Government should take a stand on religion? Thats like saying the Protestant families on the block can tell the Jewish families that the need to display the Cross, just because theres more of them. And we can't argue that since our Founders were mostly Protestant that Protestant Religious Philosophy should be laced throughout our governmental influences because then we really piss off the Catholics and the Atheists too!

It would be good if all believed in their Deity or lack thereof peacefully, side by side with a little, "well, I respect and will defend your right to those beliefs even tho I believe completely differently." (There is absolutely no need, nor religious precedent to add the words "you stupid idiot" to the end of that sentence.)

There are those that say to embrace God and Religion is to suspend reason entirely... but then science can't decide which string theory version will actually prove to be science after all... (until new science comes along and replaces it, as it always does) but hey... its an un-winnable argument. Lets have it in the form of a conversation and do what the Religious and the Darwinists both say to do... be happy, love your families, contribute to the peace and joy of the life experience for all! Its good for the humans... (and it will please God if you so believe)

If the Governments only measure of what was deemed Good or Bad, Moral or Immoral was this simple Constitutional rule, the world would be a better place... it goes: Your Right to swing your fist ends where the tip of my nose begins". See, its not a religious tenet, its just wisdom, and its good. And thats all Governments should be. Neutral as to religion, wise and looking for the greater good for all while abiding the aforementioned principle. And that my friends is really up to us. Start by doing what you can in your own neighborhood... this site is a neighborhood, look how much tolerance, openness and freedom we all share. Most of you would gladly let me enjoy naked pics of your wives... and some of you would gladly let me have sex with her, and cheer me on while I did it! What a great neighborhood we have after all!


And thats all I have to say about that...

D

I read it the week it was released and I've also read his follow up...

Question: Does saying it make it so?

His arguments are excellent and logical but if excellent and logical arguments was all it took to convince people of things we would all be thinking alike by now. Every issue deserves thorough and thoughtful consideration. Just because Sam Harris or Thomas Jefferson says it does not mean there are not well reasoned and logical arguments to the contrary. And some people will choose to believe each of them.

I said that intentionally, "choose to believe" because if any of what you profess to believe was provable, there would be no argument. To the contrary if God could be proven then there would be no argument.

Both sides are based on "belief". Yes, science can establish certain things to be true about evolution etc and much of it contradicts prior religious teachings but it is yet to be absolute, so, there will be debate.

As for Happiness Joy and peace, you say some religious movements don't seem to want that... but I say they do. They want it for their own people, and the percent of those fanatics that are menaces to global society is very small but they make alot of news. So, like I said, lets not waste time on the obvious social wack jobs... we know about them.

Other religions want to spread their beliefs by talking about it... good for them, but not many since the middle ages are trying to use the sword.

Anyway, I am the one that advocated NO Religious Philosophy as Political Policy and if you read Sam Harris' book well then you should have recognized that concept, he mentions it as well. Governments can be sectarian and religiously neutral, it takes people letting go of their fears and leaving religion to the churches and governing to the elected ones... by the way. Saddam Hussein ran a completely sectarian govt in that hot bed of religious fanaticism so it can be done. Imagine how much easier in a cool country like ours.

And lastly, I say that my point of view is not superior... nor is yours. They are different and they are likely to change as we age and grow wiser. So lets be respectful, and remember, as David Hawkings said in his profound work called Power vs Force, it only takes a small number of people living higher minded, as you are in many ways and I'm sure others who posted here are in many ways to affect for the positive the whole enchilada.

Anyway, I accidently deleted my much more thorough and eloquent crock of bull and I don't have the energy to do it again...

As for Religious people being screwed up because of their fear of the unknown... I would say that religious folk believe they have it all figured out. Its the Atheists that have no freakin clue what "nothingness" is all about

Peace brother... we love Florida...

Mike and D,

I am so glad to see more than myself saying what has been said here so far. I have long held that only through disolving religion as an influence on government that we as the Human Race can ever hope to experience anything close to true peace.

You both have given me a couple books to look into and I hope to find them both soon.

Can't be worse than my old man he worships a cartoon squirrel. Seriously. A preacher told him he must believe in something, after he said he was an athiest. And he decided to tell the preacher he is the Fope, and the High Priest of the Foamistary, the religon of Foamy the cartoon squirrel. (www.illwillpress.com)

Maybe you are a Foamist too?

WoW!!!! talk about fulfilling a biblical proficy......you who wants to strike down religion is actually talked about in the bible.....You are mere puppets on a string.........
I for one believe in freedom of any damn thing I want to believe, say, and especially do.......with in reason of course.......so there.....If I want religion, thats my damn right....If I want to choose not to believe in God...that's my damn right....If I want to be a swinger...thats my damn right...try to take it away from me...any of it.....I DARE YOU!!!!!!