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Did you know in Saudi Arabia a gallon of gas is 41 cents.
In Venezuala a gallon of gas is 19 cents....
In CT yesterday I paid 4.88 a gallon for diesil. A less refined fuel than gasoline?????? and the main fuel for commercial use in the United States.
The main reason is that these countries drill for and refine the oil right in the own counrty!!!!!! We have 2 of the largest oil field finds in the history of the world under North America and we can NOT touch it. Alaska is estimated at 500 billion barrels. A newer find under the area of North dacota is estimated to be in the same relhm. China is drilling for oil right now as I type this off the coast of Florida and we (the United States) can NOT drill there. Companies outside this country have given bids to get the oil shale deposites under the southwestern areas in America for around 45 dollors a barrel. Oil closed at 126 dollors a barrel on fri. These are all FACTS look it up if you dont believe. We have the ability to make this countr completly self sufficiant of foriegn oil. On fri they put the polar bear on the threatend list. Total bullshit. The fact is that global warming is now proving to be a total farce and that we have actualy begun a cooling trend. the last 2 years were the coolest on record in over 60 years. The polar bear population is actualy in the increase. LOOK IT UP! The media is not telling the truth and have not been for years. Fox news is as close as you can get and they are awful to. Remmeber one thing before you say that it is George Bush's fault.. It has been a Democratic congress and House for the last 4 years. Regardless of that This is the United States . We the people! By the people For the people has no meaning anymore to our government. It is NOW time to Scream. Stop going about your day and not saying a word. Do something, pic up the phone and call them, write letters to them, Tell everyone you know its time. This country is ours NOT the government's. Siruis Patriot radio channel 144. Give it a week it will change your life!
amen sexyct... i was told a few years ago that there is enough oil fields in alaska, (all drilled and caped of course) to meet the untied states oil needs for over 200 years... we here in south west wyoming are finding the course of actions of the local oil companies rediculious... (sorry if i pissed some people off) but a year ago i bought my deisel truck.... fuel for it was and always has been cheaper by at least 10 cents a gallon over regurlar gasoline..... now im looking at over .50 cents more than gasoline and i filled up the other day at 92.00 to filll her up... thats why when a friend of mine asked me if i wanted a pick up bed fuel tank i jumped on it... he workes for halli hoe and they were throwing it out he was asked to AHEM.... EMPTY IT INTO THEIR TRUCKS AND TAKE IT TO THE DUMP.... lol...as a result i came up almost 70 gallons of deisel....just had to move the tank from his truck to mine... like i told him... i didnt want the tank.. but the contents was good as gold... inny how back on track.. we are in the middle of a oil boom... as in the late 60 early 70's... prices locally have skyrocketed the last 3 years... we wanted to buy land and build a house.. i told the wife i wasnt paying 20g a acre out north for a dirt spot... but now our family has grown again... 94grand for 2.4 acres looks real good and we are considering it... my daughter wanted to move here... a 2 br apt 5 yrs ago they couldnt keep renters for 325.00 a month... are renting for 950 a month anf they have a six month waiting list... its crazy... if u want to work 7-12's 2 weeks on 1 week off... willing to work and the most important pass a drug test (no doesnt depend on the questions asked....lol).... then u can make from 25-35.00 hr depends on who u work for... i was talking to another business owner the other day.. she told me she has never seen it this way... they sell dirt bikes atv's etc... most of their sales are cash sales because 9 of 10 credit aps they run are turned down based on bad credit but the guy makes 200k a year.. they have the income but their credit sucks... its bad here they are drilling and fracking and CAPING the wells... u drive north of here and on the west side of the road alll u see is caped well heads looks like a checkerboard every 100 yards...inny how back on track again... makes u wonder what the oil companies are wanting for.... are they waiting to sell their oil 150 - 200 a barrel well they are getting close... we need someone with nuts in office that will say uncap and pump and refine locally in the united states and see how fast the foreighn reserve tanks fill up and they come crawling begging for us to buy their oil that is overflowing their storage tanks and begging us to but at 50.00 a barrel would be a nice starting point before we say ok we will buty at 50.00 a barrel with the agreement that we buy one barrel and get two FREE...lol would be nice and put the foreighn countries in check and let them know that the sleeping giant depends on no one.... just our $1.00 worth.....used to be .02 cents but inflation and such around here... Dennis And Sara
I think we should start tapping our own resources until we find an alternative. The global impact remains to be seen. I don't buy that we are not damaging the environment, but I will say that we can't just quit using oil. I think we should fine big oil I think their profit increase should be paid back to the U.S. people.
If we hold on to our reserves while we work on alternative fuel, then once we do find a new fuel source, our reserves would then be worthless to us. So why not start using what we have?
this is a great thread.. The other sad side of all this is that we are being told our economy is in a downslide and we are heading into a recession. People aren't spending money on retail things or new cars and they say they can't possibly understand why. But when you go to work 5 days a week and one of the days you are working is just so that you can fill your tank to go to work the other 4 days is rediculous. We haven't been spending money in the stores because we have to spend it on gas. Food is getting more expensive because of the rising cost of gas. Who has money to go get clothing? Or that new video game for your kids.. And we wonder why the economy is slumping. You want to know how to cripple this country??? You're seeing it in action... and don't think for 1 minute that our enemies don't know it. And of course the oil companies say it isn't their fault... but when you can afford to pay your former CEO a 15 billion dollar retirement package.. half of which he'll never use.. its horse s#$t. They can cut prices..but why should they..they're getting rich off it.. because unfrotunately.. gas is something we now cannot do without.. its anecessary evil per say.
Ill give you another one! do you know those rediculous new light bulbs that are being shoved down our throughts? The curly q ones that take 3/4 minutes to get up to max brightness. Also the ones you will be forsed to use after Jan 2012!!!!! the old incondecent light bulbs will be no more. It will be illigal to manufacture them thanks to the Communists..... Sorry I mean Democrats. Well heres a few facts about them. Yes they do save you money if you can deal with them. BUT did you know that each and every one contains small amounts of mercury in them and a few other hard to spell but dangerous chemicals. Oh yeah when you break them or throw them out you you are contaminating the enviroment.. Nice move Asshole tree huggers. Hers the part that pisses me off the most... your old light bulb that was nice and bright and recycleble for the most part was manufactured here in the good old USA.. the new light bulb is made in COMMUNIST CHINA! yes when it becomes law you are putting americans out of work and ending an industry at home..... Also a great move by our moronic government and the communist tree huggers.... Also by the way a law made by the democrates... Isnt it funny that the political party who supposibly is the freedom party is also the one who makes all the new laws that are slowly but surly taking all your freedoms away from you.... Think im wrong??? Go ahead and ask any gun owner, smoker, or for that matter someone who would like to raise thier child the old way..... where there is a diffrence between beating your child and giving your child a deserved beating.....that isnt your choice anymore its your local DCYS....
We do have alternate fuel. You can power a car with natural gas. It's cheaper, burns cleaner and it's not imported from overseas. The problem is, most people have no idea. We should be fueling our cars in our own garages. Pretty much any vehicle can be converted. The American public needs to quit being complacent and change our own lives instead of waiting for the government to do it for us.

We can all use synthetic oil as well. Sure it's more expensive, but with high demand usually comes lower prices. Not to mention it protects you engine better.

One of the biggest reasons for high gas prices is our own demand for it. America's demand for oil is 22 million barrells a day, we only have the capability to refine 17 million barrells a day, forcing us to buy middle eastern oil. In other words, we need to cut down our own consumption.

While people are blaming their least favorite political party, keep in mind that both democrats and republicans are enjoying their own stock portfolios rising along with big oil profits. If you want to share in the wealth, invest in Exxon...if you don't have conscience that is LOL.
if bush is such a clown, what does that say for the all mighty democrats. two years ago, when they took over congress goddeess almighty nancy pelosi promised to solve this gas problem. we are now paying almost 2.00 a gallon more for gas since the demos got hold of congress!!
guess all you bleeding demo's forgot about that. but we'll just blame bush....gimme a bucket
"if bush is such a clown, what does that say for the all mighty democrats. two years ago, when they took over congress goddeess almighty nancy pelosi promised to solve this gas problem. we are now paying almost 2.00 a gallon more for gas since the demos got hold of congress!!
guess all you bleeding demo's forgot about that. but we'll just blame bush....gimme a
bucket" - jetfire

jetfire: how about this scenario - democrats, being well-intentioned, repeatedly underestimate the abilities of the really big corporate machines - correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think Pelosi is the first politician to not live up to a campaign promise - perhaps it's possible that the dems can't truly wrap their minds around what they are up against - W was born from a womb oozing big oil (while its unfortunate how it affected his cognitive ability, that would be a different post) - altho W couldn't find his way out of a wet paper bag, it's not a problem because daddy has assembled the wonderful, aboveboard cabinet that actually runs the country - the obscene profit-taking that has taken place by the big oils and the halliburtons, not only gets the early lead for crime of the century, but is so blatantly obvious that it is unbelievable how easily it is being done

just a thought
OK For all you people who want to blame Bush for the gas problems..... Think for one second and stop being a democrate. YES Bush is an oil guy and the family has always been in oil. Totaly true. Now we have what is believed to be one of the if not the largest oil finds in history under diffrent parts of north america. Who would stand to proffit from drilling and refining that oil??? Thats right an oil guy/family. Dont you think the Bush.s would absolutly love to get the oil right now.. It is a simple concept people it has been the basic concept of all aconamies throughout history.. Supply and Demand!!!!! If you increase the supply the price goes down! that is the fact.. I am all for any new energy that will take us off oil. BUT whatever that is it is still years away from being mainstream. That is the bottom line. Right now we have a fuel problem that is driving our econamy right into a depression. We have to do what ever is the smartest and fastest fix. It always amazes me to hear someone cry about a big corprate guy/woman who is making millions a year. The same guy who gives 1000s of jobs to hard working American people. He or she is evil yet the total waste of breath Actor/actress who gives no more than about 30 people temporary employment is a hero.... Are you fucking kidding me... Get your heads out of your asses and open your eyes. Look what is happening to America while COMMUNIST China is taking off like crazy. It is all there in black and white and all fact.
Number 1 Global warming is a farce! Most scientists are now addmiting it TRUTH
Number 2 The Democtratic polocies are truely communist. Read The Comunist Manafesto by Karl Marx ( written 1848). It is exactly what the democrates are pshing for. NO BULLSHIT
Number 3 If you tax and keep regulating the big corp. more they will leave and take all the jobs with them.
Number 4 Illigal-unchecked immigration has increaced deseases that we have worked hard to irraticate over the last 50 years. Polio, measels, mumps ,TB Fact look it up
Number 5 The war may have been a mistake but pull out would be the biggest mistake we will ever make. Iraq will become a full fledges terrorist training center much the same that Afganistan did. Besides. Listen to the troops not the media. They all beleive we need to stay and finish the job.
Number 6 WE THE PEOPLE FOR THE PEOPLE BY THE PEOPLE!!! The pursuit of happiness is a right of the people. Read the constitution It is what we are all about but we need to reminde the Government.
hi guys again.... i rember i seen a small clip...(help, don... can u find it????) the other day on tv that they had a car in testing that ran off of water... the problem ther were working on was that it technically runs off of hydrogen that is left when they seperate the oxyogen from the water... thus H2O...... but in crash tests the car caused a small explosion fron the reserves of hydrogen waiting to be used as a fuel.. there has been the techniology around for years that created cars to run off of alternative fuels..... but low and behold the inventore were offered millions for the rights and the patents for these motors and alternative fuels... you will never guess whom...(actually the companies) that hold these patents... ya the companies that would loose the most.... LARGE OIL COMPANIES...dennis and sara
Well here what gets me alot of cars in Europe get 50+ miles a gallon the Ford focus gas gets up to 35 mpg here the diesel version they sell every where else in the world gets 58mpg. VW is bring the diesel jetta here in the next few months it gets mid 50's a gallon. As far as energy here the history question of the day. During WWII how did the Germans keep going when they had no crude oil the answer Coal to Diesel yes the U.S. has the largest reservse of coal in the world and it can be converted to diesel. We have rising food prices because the acre of corn is more profitable for fuel than food or feed. Yet we have more oil in oil shale in Wyoming and Utah than all the oil in the middle east. we have coal that can be converted to fuel yet we are using food when we have much better "alternitive energy" right now. Fine fuel prices are up I can deal with that. But food prices are increasing faster than gas. and the avererge family will buy more items at the grocery store than gallons of fuel in a given week. I can choose not to ride the snowmobiles or bike or 4 wheelers this week to save a few dollars but still have to buy food. I agree with ds we are seeing Huge increases here in Wyoming house that 5 years ago sold for 80,000 are now 250,000+ the bars are usually packed and here if you can pass a drug test the cash gates are wide open at 25.00+ an hour, every company i know is running short handed and looking across the country to find workers. Local walmart is 100 people short and paying 13.00 an hour and can't find people. I am not trying to be sexist but in the old days when the family needed extra money the wife would work at the grocery store or the fast food place but why have here work there when she can working in the minerals industry for 3 to 4 times the pay. And while everyone goes oh its dangerous work the minerals industry [including mining ] are the SAFEST jobs of any industry anywhere.
Has anyone one noticed that the three people that claim they will fix these problems when they are elected president, could all fix the problem now...but are not doing the jobs they were elected too in the first place and are still getting paid for. Why should we have to wait another 8 months for one of these assheads to get elected president before the will do something about a problem thats happening now? Besides anyone of us who went to their employer and asked to keep their job , while they looked for a new job that paid the exact same amount, and still get paid at the old job and not have to come to work....they would tell us to piss off and not let the door hit us on the way out. But that is what these 3 assheads are doing right now....then telling the american people that they will help with the problems going on as soon as they BECOME president.
"anyone read chomsky?"

Yep, Chronicles Of Dissent , The Chomsky Reader and Imperial Ambitions.


To another post: I've also read The Communist Manifesto, and studied the Russian Revolution when I was stuck in my "idealistic 20s". I dont see the parallels in this particular scenario.

I recommend "A revolution Betrayed" by Trotsky or "God and The State" by Bakunin for a better insight/balance to what the philosophies were leading to and after the revolution.


The gas crisis was not created by profiting from increasing oil suppy. The real money is made by controlling and monopolizing the market. Putin and his cronies are doing it right now as well in Russia.

Not one politician is going to go against the will of the contributors who put he/she into office (particularly in the first term). Prices wont drop any time soon, no matter where they drill. Unfortunately, the market will have to correct itself, and that will take time.


BTW. I definately feel your pain since I drive a V10 F350 50 miles daily, getting 11-12mpg.
Great thread!!! As a person how plays in the stock market I have paid a lot of attention to the oil thing. NO I didn't buy any stock in Oil honestly when I hear it was going to go up I thought it was a joke. Boy I guess I was wrong, anyway I started doing some research on Hydrogen Boosters. This is a cheap way to improve gas mileage. I heard about this from my neighbor who put one into his 1999 GMC Blazer and he now gets 33 Miles to the Gallon. I have a 2000 Ford Explorer and have gotten all the parts which by the way cost me under $100. I plan to install this in my truck over the holiday weekend. Warning***** this is not for newer cars!!! I wouldn't try this on anything newer then 2001. I have the link for you if you want to check it out http://waterpoweredcar.com/hydrobooster2.html

ok so some are asking why aren't the car companies doing this. Not cost effective for them and they really can't regulate water per say. Let me know if anyone else has anything on this.

Thanks good thread
Over 200 years ago we fought a war to get rid of big goverment, most people do not realize the Revolutionary War was fough more for economics than rights. The citizians of this land were not allowed to import any finished goods except that it came from England. We could make it eaiser and cheeper and faster here then we could if we waited, by send raw materials overseas to have them finisned then import the finished goods to be retailed.

As I have stated in the past, this country has not allowed a referinery to be built in over 50 years. China has plans to build referinerys every year for the next ten years. Each refinery will outproduce all the refinerys we have in the state of Utah. In ten years all the refinerys in the united states will be too outdated and ineffecient to be used, and will be shut down.

So if you think the probelm is going to get better wait till we start importaning refined gas and diesal.

And even though I saw this 15 years ago starting to happen my personal finances were in such a mess I could not make one dime on the information I had.

Thank god for the SEC and the IRS for with out them I would be filthy rich.

p.s. Tip Heating oil futures are trading at last years rates and that is befor $100 per berral. Also Wheat, Corn, Soy Beans, Ect. are trading below market because harvest has not started when the farmers will need to buy fuel.
I'm not going to argue the merits of oil consumption versus supply. Nor the Democrats vs Republicans. Let me throw this out there...

In the 1700s, a group of Americans gathered to declare their Independence.

In 1869, two separate groups of Americans worked toward each other right here in Utah to join the railroads.

Around 1940, President Roosevelt challenged a group of scientists to create an atom bomb.

In 1960, President Kennedy challenged a group of Americans to formulate a plan for sending a man to the moon.

In all of these settings, the Commander in Chief directed a group of people to a common goal. The next President should do just that: gather a group of people together and charge them finding a bonafide alternate energy source OR making a production vehicle that can get 100 mpg.
It's simple folks,
There is no use in blaming Bush for everything. Nor is it productive to blame a democrat. We can blame both equally. The fact is this... Oil runs this world right now. Companies HAVE been and WILL CONTINUE to research alternative fuels. However, there is nothing to compare right now economically to the use of our fossil fuels. When we don't drill and refine our own while other countries are doing so more and more with no restrictions, we make it harder for these companies to do that very research. Also, it FORCES us to be at the mercy of those who DO supply us with our oil, making it impossible to be come energy independent. The technology we have today to do what is required is safer for the earth than it was even 10 or 20 years ago. It comes down to this... are we gonna let the elite few dictate our future, or are we going to do what is right and help our people out of this craziness? Bless you all, we're gonna need it.
Talked to my brother yesterday, he said gas is $4 and diesel is $5 in Newark, New Jersey. Now where I live which is a small town of Interstate 95 in Florida, gas is $3.73 and diesel is $4.80. I was talking to my husband yesterday and remembering when I could fill my mustang's tank with $22, that was 2 years ago, now is $55 to fill it up. That is 2 1/2 times, more than double...

It's hard to talk to people here about things, the ignorance is tremendous, between politics, racism, recession and the loss of jobs at NASA in 2010, people are going crazy here in my town. Crime rate has gone up, people stealing gas from parked cars getting into peoples garages to steal the gas, 11 houses on a street of only 3 blocks long, going into foreclosure. Gun sales have gone up, everyone protecting what's theirs.

I sit back and look at what's going on. I am so scared for our future and my children's future. Talked to a friend that is a physician, he says that more and more patients are coming in with signs of depression, I guess only the strong will survive.

Has anyone else noticed things like this happening in their neck of the woods? or is it here in my small lost town?
This thread has really become fascinating now that thought is prevailing.

I have been bothered considerably for some time by the whole technology/computer&TV-eating-up-time/decline of basic family values/etc/etc thing.

I recently watched a company take over the place where I worked part-time. They sent in a transition team of professional wannabes in their mid 20
Riderz - there sure as hell is no way, in my mind, to argue with your attitude! - LUV it! RIDE ON!!