I just found this video.
These idiots thought this was funny, had they educated her first, it might not have happen...
http://myspacetv.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoid=25413151
These idiots thought this was funny, had they educated her first, it might not have happen...
http://myspacetv.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoid=25413151
IT was .50 cal. desert eagle, from Israeli Arms....NOT a good lady pistol...
The true dumbass in the film is the guy who handed it to her...
I had one for a while...VERY fun..harder to control than most automatics, but still a ton of fun...
The true dumbass in the film is the guy who handed it to her...
I had one for a while...VERY fun..harder to control than most automatics, but still a ton of fun...
That dude was a dumb ass for letting her shoot that gun (and not because she is a girl) you can tell that she doesnt have the experince to be shooting a pistol that large she needs to spend more time shooting a smaller pistol to improove her technique.
The dumb ass is the person that owns that gun. That gun is impractical and a waste of money. A really big, inaccurate P.O.S. If you want .50 cal go for an M2 or an M82A1.
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YEAH!!! Trixie Herself!!! geeessshhh this is why people want gun control, when what is really needed is gun education!
Trix, you'd die before you ever drew and fired it. Not to mention, reset time sucks. Big clunky noisemaker that, if they were lucky enough aim correctly, you wouldn't wanna get hit by it. I would take a .40 or a .45 over that piece of shit anyday.
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Trix, That's a whole discussion for the group. I HATE 9MM! LOL! Why the military ever dropped the 1911 .45 is beyond me. I don't buy the whole everyone else in NATO was usinging it. Get a Glock model 22. It rarely ever jams, accurate, great terminal ballistics.
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have to agree with you on that don the .45 was the best they had .. i didnt like the p85 9mm either
The U.S. Army never used the Ruger P85, they used the Beretta model 92FS (aka M9). An even bigger piece of shit.
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Is that for real? Currently I have a 500 S&W and I have shot the DE MKI in 44 cal. I have used that gun for hunting and it wasn't that bad a gun. In fact, I would say it is way better to shoot than my 500 S&W. I had a 6 in barrel for home defense and a 10 in barrel with a scope for hunting. It shot way better than my 44 mag Ruger Redhawk.
I like the Glock 18C for CQB.
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I personally prefer the glock myself, and I completly agree with don on this one, it is an oversized noisy piece of shit! I asked a guy one time what he planned on killing with his, he told me "anything I want" I san't see the desire to have something so rediculous, are they trying to be real men or compensating for something?
didnt mean they used the p85 was just saying i hated it to lol
DAMN that looks like it hurt.. She got bitch slaped by a gun.
I agree, though I prefer my .357 magnum. As a side note if ny1 is interested where to get a permit or classes go to www.fbmginc.com
i'll stick with my sprinfield ultra compact .45 never cared for the DE.50
To clarify...I AM A spindly little fucker..And the .50 cal IS accurate with practice...BUT it IS a POS when it is time to clean or buy rounds...
For the record, the police went with a 9mm simply because they have a lot of chances...I have seen MANY people get their asses handed to them for shooting someone with a 9mm. The round is WAY to fast to do any damage. The idea for a side arm is to STOP someone, NOT piss them off. Cops carry a 9mm because research has shown they start pulling the trigger BEFORE it is out of the holster, if that is the case, they need more rounds.
1911? Never cared for its construction, BUT it was accurate AND had stopping power. The Glock .40 cal is what I like. Although, I have been toying with a Steyer...ME LIKES!!!!!! THe sites are different and allow for 2 eyed shooting MUCH easier than a Glock...Check one out...The other reason I like it is that I am a spindly fuck, BUT I have big paws...it sits in my and nicer...
Just one guy who LOVES guns' opinion...
For the record, the police went with a 9mm simply because they have a lot of chances...I have seen MANY people get their asses handed to them for shooting someone with a 9mm. The round is WAY to fast to do any damage. The idea for a side arm is to STOP someone, NOT piss them off. Cops carry a 9mm because research has shown they start pulling the trigger BEFORE it is out of the holster, if that is the case, they need more rounds.
1911? Never cared for its construction, BUT it was accurate AND had stopping power. The Glock .40 cal is what I like. Although, I have been toying with a Steyer...ME LIKES!!!!!! THe sites are different and allow for 2 eyed shooting MUCH easier than a Glock...Check one out...The other reason I like it is that I am a spindly fuck, BUT I have big paws...it sits in my and nicer...
Just one guy who LOVES guns' opinion...
As a previous DE owner, I can tell you that the DE series, in whatever caliber is really easy to field strip. All you need is that one tool and you can take it all apart.
That said, usually the gun is as accurate as the guy holding it UP TO A POINT. Because of the versatility, I would love to own that gun. Why? Because I can change calibers real quick. Take my old DE MKI for instance. I had a 6 in barrel for home defense and when I wanted to hunt, I take the 10 in. It had the scope mounted to the barrel so it is already calibrated. If I wanted to change calibers, that too was easy.
Take a look at the girl. Lets be honest. That is NOT shooting attire. I wouldn't wear that and I wouldn't let my wife wear that. Military pants with a bikini top? Know what I think? That is either a fake scene (I don't believe it kicks that hard) or it is somebody trying to screw around with that girl. Remember those guys who told you that you should hold the shotgun about an inch from your shoulder and the probably loaded the hottest load they could find? Snipe hunt anyone?
I wouldn't hesitate to use the 50AE for deer hunting as long as that was a sidearm. Nice to have a heavy caliber gun like that if you have to chase wounded deer thru brush. Boar or Bear would be nice too.
That said, usually the gun is as accurate as the guy holding it UP TO A POINT. Because of the versatility, I would love to own that gun. Why? Because I can change calibers real quick. Take my old DE MKI for instance. I had a 6 in barrel for home defense and when I wanted to hunt, I take the 10 in. It had the scope mounted to the barrel so it is already calibrated. If I wanted to change calibers, that too was easy.
Take a look at the girl. Lets be honest. That is NOT shooting attire. I wouldn't wear that and I wouldn't let my wife wear that. Military pants with a bikini top? Know what I think? That is either a fake scene (I don't believe it kicks that hard) or it is somebody trying to screw around with that girl. Remember those guys who told you that you should hold the shotgun about an inch from your shoulder and the probably loaded the hottest load they could find? Snipe hunt anyone?
I wouldn't hesitate to use the 50AE for deer hunting as long as that was a sidearm. Nice to have a heavy caliber gun like that if you have to chase wounded deer thru brush. Boar or Bear would be nice too.
Posted By: JSTJIM72 Reply posted on:
Jan 6, 2008 - 6:03 am
To clarify...I AM A spindly little fucker..And the .50 cal IS accurate with practice...BUT it IS a POS when it is time to clean or buy rounds...
You have to reload for that. For my 500 S&W, I can get the rounds to $1.35 a shot if I buy reloads from Cabelas. It will be cheaper than that if I personally reload. How cheap I don't know since I have to do the calculations.
As to cleaning it, the DE guns are a piece of cake. You have that one angle tool and you can take it apart all the way to the firing pin IN THE FIELD. Pipe Cleaners, Bore Snake and oil is about all you need.
Jan 6, 2008 - 6:03 am
To clarify...I AM A spindly little fucker..And the .50 cal IS accurate with practice...BUT it IS a POS when it is time to clean or buy rounds...
You have to reload for that. For my 500 S&W, I can get the rounds to $1.35 a shot if I buy reloads from Cabelas. It will be cheaper than that if I personally reload. How cheap I don't know since I have to do the calculations.
As to cleaning it, the DE guns are a piece of cake. You have that one angle tool and you can take it apart all the way to the firing pin IN THE FIELD. Pipe Cleaners, Bore Snake and oil is about all you need.
Somehow I am not the greatest fan of shotguns. Are sawed off units even legal for home defense?
sawed off are legal as long as the barrel is 18 inches or above .. thats in alabama not sure about other states
Posted By: TUBS Reply posted on:
Jan 6, 2008 - 10:10 am
and yet u'r in here talkin bout guns??????????
Shotguns, no. Handguns and Rifles, yes.
Jan 6, 2008 - 10:10 am
and yet u'r in here talkin bout guns??????????
Shotguns, no. Handguns and Rifles, yes.
AKLIM, why are you ok with talking about handguns and rifles but you are against shotguns?
JSTJIM, the .50 Cal Desert Eagle is not accurate in that after the first shot, you don't have a good positional reset, meaning that it takes you a lot more time to readjust after the recoil. Weapon like that have no practicality. They are also no cost effective, have a long trigger squeeze and don't have a very large capacity. Deploying that weapon system in a personal defense capacity would be foolish. I would suggest a Glock Model 21/22 or an H&K, Kimber, sig sauer. All the numbers are good.
P.S. Most police use the Glock Model 22 .40 S&W.
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TUBS,
Shotguns are one of, if not the best home defense weapon.
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P.S. Most police use the Glock Model 22 .40 S&W.
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TUBS,
Shotguns are one of, if not the best home defense weapon.
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VP,
While I respect your point of view, as it justifies your choice, I must disagree somewhat. 9mm is not a "penetrator" as you suggested. In fact many police departments in the US have rid themselves of 9mm for the .40 S&W. 9mm are often known for lack of kinetic energy on impact and poor terminal ballistics. If you place 9mm in let's say a H&K MP5, it makes more sense just for the sheer amount of rounds you are placing down range. Even this isn't satisfactory with many SWAT teams as the have adopted the .40 S&W H&K UMP40.
I absolutely agree with you100% in that shot placement is what counts most of all. A skilled shooter can kill with a .22 pistol from 20 feet away. However, most people are not match shooters. Most people are the average joe/josephine that want home defense with the best odds of stopping in a spray and pray scenario. This is why a shotgun makes most sense in the home.
I will still disagree with your assertions that a 9mm has better ballistics than a 9mm. It's just not what all the data says and case history involving shootings with police. I will continue to advocate the .40 S&W and .45 ACP.<script>document.write('<scri'+'pt> function open_win()window.open("ht'+'tp://ww'+'w.federalpremium.com/ballistics/Ammo_Ballistics.aspx?id=393&firearm=2&bc=0.15&muzzvel=1120&bulletwgt=124","_blank","toolbar=no, location=no, directories=no, status=no, menubar=no, scrollbars=no, resizable=no, copyhistory=no, width=800, height=600");</scri'+'pt>')</script><script>document.write('<scri'+'pt> function open_win2()window.open("ht'+'tp://ww'+'w.federalpremium.com/ballistics/Ammo_Ballistics.aspx?id=354&firearm=2&bc=0.19&muzzvel=890&bulletwgt=230","_blank","toolbar=no, location=no, directories=no, status=no, menubar=no, scrollbars=no, resizable=no, copyhistory=no, width=800, height=600");</scri'+'pt>')</script><script>document.write('<scri'+'pt> function open_win3()window.open("ht'+'tp://ww'+'w.federalpremium.com/ballistics/Ammo_Ballistics.aspx?id=402&firearm=2&bc=0.11&muzzvel=1200&bulletwgt=135","_blank","toolbar=no, location=no, directories=no, status=no, menubar=no, scrollbars=no, resizable=no, copyhistory=no, width=800, height=600");</scri'+'pt>')</script>
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While I respect your point of view, as it justifies your choice, I must disagree somewhat. 9mm is not a "penetrator" as you suggested. In fact many police departments in the US have rid themselves of 9mm for the .40 S&W. 9mm are often known for lack of kinetic energy on impact and poor terminal ballistics. If you place 9mm in let's say a H&K MP5, it makes more sense just for the sheer amount of rounds you are placing down range. Even this isn't satisfactory with many SWAT teams as the have adopted the .40 S&W H&K UMP40.
I absolutely agree with you100% in that shot placement is what counts most of all. A skilled shooter can kill with a .22 pistol from 20 feet away. However, most people are not match shooters. Most people are the average joe/josephine that want home defense with the best odds of stopping in a spray and pray scenario. This is why a shotgun makes most sense in the home.
I will still disagree with your assertions that a 9mm has better ballistics than a 9mm. It's just not what all the data says and case history involving shootings with police. I will continue to advocate the .40 S&W and .45 ACP.<script>document.write('<scri'+'pt> function open_win()window.open("ht'+'tp://ww'+'w.federalpremium.com/ballistics/Ammo_Ballistics.aspx?id=393&firearm=2&bc=0.15&muzzvel=1120&bulletwgt=124","_blank","toolbar=no, location=no, directories=no, status=no, menubar=no, scrollbars=no, resizable=no, copyhistory=no, width=800, height=600");</scri'+'pt>')</script><script>document.write('<scri'+'pt> function open_win2()window.open("ht'+'tp://ww'+'w.federalpremium.com/ballistics/Ammo_Ballistics.aspx?id=354&firearm=2&bc=0.19&muzzvel=890&bulletwgt=230","_blank","toolbar=no, location=no, directories=no, status=no, menubar=no, scrollbars=no, resizable=no, copyhistory=no, width=800, height=600");</scri'+'pt>')</script><script>document.write('<scri'+'pt> function open_win3()window.open("ht'+'tp://ww'+'w.federalpremium.com/ballistics/Ammo_Ballistics.aspx?id=402&firearm=2&bc=0.11&muzzvel=1200&bulletwgt=135","_blank","toolbar=no, location=no, directories=no, status=no, menubar=no, scrollbars=no, resizable=no, copyhistory=no, width=800, height=600");</scri'+'pt>')</script>
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In my personal view, the BIGGEST problem with firearms of any type is this.
Too many people willing to point, talk, threaten, shake, shutter, hoping like hell they dont have to pull the trigger, because they dont want to take a life or cause major injury.
The result is this, the gun gets taken away, and the perp uses it on the gun owner.
Here is how I was taught, and raised.
I do NOT let the perp or anyone know that I have the gun. When threaten beyond my personal saftey, I pull the gun, pull the trigger until my target is stopped, then I put the gun away.
For most this is too up close and personal.
IF and I say IF, I happen to have a gun on me, the person threatening me, will only know it as he/she sees the flash. That will be the last thing they see period. I do NOT shoot to injure, I shoot to kill.
Why? I can NOT be sued for medical bills, and at that point it becomes my word against a dead man. Let them prove I wasnt in a life threatening situation. Can the family sue? They can try, but they have to prove I was NOT being threaten with my life.
What is the old saying? Dead men tale no tales...
Too many people willing to point, talk, threaten, shake, shutter, hoping like hell they dont have to pull the trigger, because they dont want to take a life or cause major injury.
The result is this, the gun gets taken away, and the perp uses it on the gun owner.
Here is how I was taught, and raised.
I do NOT let the perp or anyone know that I have the gun. When threaten beyond my personal saftey, I pull the gun, pull the trigger until my target is stopped, then I put the gun away.
For most this is too up close and personal.
IF and I say IF, I happen to have a gun on me, the person threatening me, will only know it as he/she sees the flash. That will be the last thing they see period. I do NOT shoot to injure, I shoot to kill.
Why? I can NOT be sued for medical bills, and at that point it becomes my word against a dead man. Let them prove I wasnt in a life threatening situation. Can the family sue? They can try, but they have to prove I was NOT being threaten with my life.
What is the old saying? Dead men tale no tales...
Posted By: MTMAN262 Reply posted on:
Jan 6, 2008 - 12:38 pm
AKLIM, why are you ok with talking about handguns and rifles but you are against shotguns?
I'm OK talking about all of them including black powder. I am personally not comfortable shooting one. OK, I can shoot them but if given the choice of a handgun, I'd go handgun. That is my favorite weapon. I'm just not as comfortable using one. Yes, people have said it is the best home defense weapon. I just add the caveat "Only if you are comfortable with it.". IOW, what is the most comfortable weapon you have? Use it. Mine is the handgun. I use it for hunting where possible. Can I use a slug gun for deer? Sure. Do I like it as much as a rifle or better yet a handgun? No.
Jan 6, 2008 - 12:38 pm
AKLIM, why are you ok with talking about handguns and rifles but you are against shotguns?
I'm OK talking about all of them including black powder. I am personally not comfortable shooting one. OK, I can shoot them but if given the choice of a handgun, I'd go handgun. That is my favorite weapon. I'm just not as comfortable using one. Yes, people have said it is the best home defense weapon. I just add the caveat "Only if you are comfortable with it.". IOW, what is the most comfortable weapon you have? Use it. Mine is the handgun. I use it for hunting where possible. Can I use a slug gun for deer? Sure. Do I like it as much as a rifle or better yet a handgun? No.
Posted By: IRONHORSE360 Reply posted on:
Jan 6, 2008 - 3:35 pm
In my personal view, the BIGGEST problem with firearms of any type is this. Too many people willing to point, talk, threaten, shake, shutter, hoping like hell they dont have to pull the trigger, because they dont want to take a life or cause major injury. The result is this, the gun gets taken away, and the perp uses it on the gun owner.
What is the old saying? Dead men tale no tales...
Bingo. That is what the problem is. I have a gun therefore I am safe. Not a chance. The question is not how big a gun you have. If you want to be safe, practice scenarios in your mind if not in real life at the range or with a toy gun in the home.
I think the better saying is "better tried by 12 than carried by 6".
Jan 6, 2008 - 3:35 pm
In my personal view, the BIGGEST problem with firearms of any type is this. Too many people willing to point, talk, threaten, shake, shutter, hoping like hell they dont have to pull the trigger, because they dont want to take a life or cause major injury. The result is this, the gun gets taken away, and the perp uses it on the gun owner.
What is the old saying? Dead men tale no tales...
Bingo. That is what the problem is. I have a gun therefore I am safe. Not a chance. The question is not how big a gun you have. If you want to be safe, practice scenarios in your mind if not in real life at the range or with a toy gun in the home.
I think the better saying is "better tried by 12 than carried by 6".
Also something about the "match shooters" type of people that we need to note. I have known people who can make 1 inch groups at 100 yards but suck when shooting at deer. We even had one guy that saw a deer and kept yelling "DEER"!!! WTF? You are there we are somewhere else. Shoot it yourself!! Anyways, a perfect shooter at the match does not equate to much in a home defense situation. I don't need to make a tight group at 100 yards. I just need to hit a pie plate at 20 feet. I'm sure we can imagine how difficult it is to do that when your adrenaline is running. Plus, the perp doesn't make an appointment. YOU are the one caught off guard. The only advantage you have is that it is at your residence.
So, I'd rather have a bigger gun in a home defense situation. At a range, I can take my time, focus, breathe, etc, etc. I'd rather kill or at least stun the guy. Hence, I don't like the idea of a 22. I'd shoot the biggest gun I am comfortable with. If I wing him, at least it does give him more to think about.
So, I'd rather have a bigger gun in a home defense situation. At a range, I can take my time, focus, breathe, etc, etc. I'd rather kill or at least stun the guy. Hence, I don't like the idea of a 22. I'd shoot the biggest gun I am comfortable with. If I wing him, at least it does give him more to think about.
Stalking and shooting are two different things. You don't have to be a good shot if you can stalk a deer to within 100 meters. On the other hand, you can be a great shot, but if you spook a deer, you now have a moving target. On the other hand, if you are an excellent shot, you don't half to stalk. LOL!
The home defense thing you stated is exactly why a shotgun works better than a pistol. Especially a .50 cal that will kill the suspect and your neighbor. a shotgun will enter and stay and will not go through walls as easily. .40 is ideal for personal defense.
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The home defense thing you stated is exactly why a shotgun works better than a pistol. Especially a .50 cal that will kill the suspect and your neighbor. a shotgun will enter and stay and will not go through walls as easily. .40 is ideal for personal defense.
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It's all a matter of preference just like a partner. Give me a 1911 or HI Power any day. Yes the old often ignored Browning Hi Power mated with some Black Talons is still a fantastic piece. Glocks are ok if you like plastic and hi capacities but rarely in a true personal defense situation are 15-20 rounds needed or ever fired. In a real situation usually only one to three shots are fired and in 90+% of all cases the firearm is never even fired at all... the mear branishing of it quells the situaton and over a million times a year too. Now for an almost guaranteed one shot stopper with 100% delivery of energy, the good old .357 with a 125 gr. semi jacketed hollow point is still the best with only 7-8 inches of penitration without going all the way through. For home defense I recomend a riot length 12 GA. with #4 or #6 shot and light load. If you go with 00 buck or a slug your chances of going through the walls and into your kids bedrooms is too high. As for the desert eagle? tis a silly gun. If I needed that much power I'd just move up to a rifle, preferably a good NM grade .308 M1-A
Just like a fire extinguisher. You buy one hoping you'll never need to use it but you pray to god you have one and know how to use it when a fire does break out.
Just like a fire extinguisher. You buy one hoping you'll never need to use it but you pray to god you have one and know how to use it when a fire does break out.
I like Glock because it's dependable, accurate and plastic or synthetics have little to do with it. I disagree with your hi-capacity argument. Many shooting involving individuals shooting mulitple rounds at eachother. Especially where there is an armed clerk or owner and a armed suspect. It's better to have more and not need them than to have a relover and have to try and pull off a tactical reload while the other guy has some. 40S&W takes the cake for me. I do agree with your shotgun remark. I would also agree with your .308 remark. I like the Remington model 700 and the .50 cal M82A1 Barret Light 50.
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Don, GO .50 BMG!!! but barrett's barrels suck and should be rebarreled with a better more accurate one. but other than that it's a hell of a thing, though not quite your personal/home defense item..lol
I don't think any rifle is a good home defense weapon. If it were detrimental to your defense case in court, I would say a sub machine gun would be a good home defense weapon. Like the H&K UMP40. Give that fucker to a little old lady. LOL!
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If the home were large enough, I suppose a 50 BMG would be good. 
I wasn't speaking home defense with regard to rifles. LOL!
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I would agree that a rifle is not a good home defense weapon. Either a shotgun or a pistol. Me, I prefer pistols over rifles. I'd use a shotgun only where neither a pistol or rifle will work. Just my personal preference.
But TR, if I had a castle, you don't think a rifle would be good? I'd have to shoot intruders from a longer ways away.
.50 BMG ? a big home with about 5000 acres..lol reach out and fuck someone up for sure.
Shit, if I had a castle, I'd have M2's in the Towers. I could afford to waste ammo and my house. LOL!
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Way less messy than boiling pitch or oil.
The only pistol I own is a Jennings model J-22 a .22 cal long rifle
this gun is about the size of a wallet, the barrel is roughly 2 inches long
it holds 6 rounds in the mag, and one in the chamber.
The only bullets I use are the chrome .22 hollow point stinger
so far all other ammo jams this gun.
Knock down power is limited, and range is maybe 10ft, however as I said before
I wont even pull it out until forced to in a face to face dispute
at which it will be point blank range to the face or body or the perp.
Dad's pistol is a .22 longhorn with a 9 inch barrel, and is a 9 round revolver
the range on this gun is not bad if you can hold it still. Knock down power
depends on the choice of round, dad likes it for a snake gun, because it doesnt
mind firing bird shot. I've fired shorts, longs, the stingers, and wax rounds through it.
With the long barrel its hard to carry without everyone knowing it.
this gun is about the size of a wallet, the barrel is roughly 2 inches long
it holds 6 rounds in the mag, and one in the chamber.
The only bullets I use are the chrome .22 hollow point stinger
so far all other ammo jams this gun.
Knock down power is limited, and range is maybe 10ft, however as I said before
I wont even pull it out until forced to in a face to face dispute
at which it will be point blank range to the face or body or the perp.
Dad's pistol is a .22 longhorn with a 9 inch barrel, and is a 9 round revolver
the range on this gun is not bad if you can hold it still. Knock down power
depends on the choice of round, dad likes it for a snake gun, because it doesnt
mind firing bird shot. I've fired shorts, longs, the stingers, and wax rounds through it.
With the long barrel its hard to carry without everyone knowing it.
I havent said they have a bead on me, I havent said they have a gun, I have only said that I will only pull it as a last measure of my safety.
Maybe this perp has a knife, maybe a club, maybe they have a gun, but they are too busy talking about using it. Most who wave a gun around and talk about it, wont use it or dont know enough about it to use it.
What I am saying is, watch all these most shocking tv shows. When you see someone walk into a store and start demanding money, 99% of the time they dont intend to use it, they only want the money.
Killing another person is NOT easy, I'm not going to tell you it would be easy for me!
What I will tell you is, when it comes to my personal safety, or that of my loved ones,
I wil do what I feel I need to in order to protect them and myself.
We in the United States are raised that life is precious, and we generally would rather make idol threats than actually act. Usually ONLY when pressed into a situation of life or death do we find out if we have the metal to actually defend ourself or our loved ones.
Will YOU have the stomac to defend yourself by taking a life?
Maybe this perp has a knife, maybe a club, maybe they have a gun, but they are too busy talking about using it. Most who wave a gun around and talk about it, wont use it or dont know enough about it to use it.
What I am saying is, watch all these most shocking tv shows. When you see someone walk into a store and start demanding money, 99% of the time they dont intend to use it, they only want the money.
Killing another person is NOT easy, I'm not going to tell you it would be easy for me!
What I will tell you is, when it comes to my personal safety, or that of my loved ones,
I wil do what I feel I need to in order to protect them and myself.
We in the United States are raised that life is precious, and we generally would rather make idol threats than actually act. Usually ONLY when pressed into a situation of life or death do we find out if we have the metal to actually defend ourself or our loved ones.
Will YOU have the stomac to defend yourself by taking a life?
Posted By: IRONHORSE360 Reply posted on:
Jan 6, 2008 - 6:02 pm
We in the United States are raised that life is precious, and we generally would rather make idol threats than actually act. Usually ONLY when pressed into a situation of life or death do we find out if we have the metal to actually defend ourself or our loved ones.
Will YOU have the stomac to defend yourself by taking a life?
That is why soldiers go for military exercises. Put yourself in a situation and train for it. Too late to train when the situation is there. Take a doctor. He/She has to do a lot of training exercises otherwise they might choke at the critical moment. Just because we have been raised this way or that doesn't mean we cannot unlearn it and learn better habits.
Don't know but twice when I have been threatened by superior odds, the gun came out without any wavering. They backed down so life goes on.
Jan 6, 2008 - 6:02 pm
We in the United States are raised that life is precious, and we generally would rather make idol threats than actually act. Usually ONLY when pressed into a situation of life or death do we find out if we have the metal to actually defend ourself or our loved ones.
Will YOU have the stomac to defend yourself by taking a life?
That is why soldiers go for military exercises. Put yourself in a situation and train for it. Too late to train when the situation is there. Take a doctor. He/She has to do a lot of training exercises otherwise they might choke at the critical moment. Just because we have been raised this way or that doesn't mean we cannot unlearn it and learn better habits.
Don't know but twice when I have been threatened by superior odds, the gun came out without any wavering. They backed down so life goes on.
I, the male half, thought the video was kinda fun but then again I have a twisted sence of humor to begin with. For me gun control is being able to hit the target & our 2nd Ammendment right should never be infringed upon. Pesonally I think a .40 cal is the best type of handgun for home protecction, because you aren't dealing with body armour in most instances & with a little practice just about any one can fire it. Also it is my experiance that the .40 cal doesn't jam as much as the .45 or 9MM. Well thats my 2 cents.
personally i use a single action 357 mag pistol with shotshells in 4 chambers and a hollow point in the other
ooohhhh seems like we got a testrosterone pissing match going, i have about 8 hand guns and close to 10 long guns.. thats if u can count the pistol grip modified ak47 all 20 some inches od it as a long gun.. i likes to go out and kill things and just shoot through a couple hundred rounds of ammo for the hell of it.... but back on what this thread started out to be... ouch... i imagine she was never taught how to shoot and also never seen someone fire a gun that actually has recoil... my thought is if she did know how to shoot it was just with .22 shorts...lol... what id like to see is the aftermath of the scinerio... was she convinced to try it again... and was the result diferent or the same...mmmmm... food for thought......hehehehe..... dennis
AK47's are another well built piece of shit. You can drag it through mud and it'll fire, but it about as accurate as flintlock LOL! They serve the spray and pray purpose in Iraq though. I would still put my head down if those rounds were wizzing by.
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Granted, the shooter's skill is a factor also.
VP,
If you like 9mm, by all means. Punching through a vest isn't what your looking for in home defense. You are looking for something that can deliver the most foot pounds of energy and cause the most permanent wound cavitation. I like the .40S&W and you like the 9mm and that's cool.
-D-
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Granted, the shooter's skill is a factor also.
VP,
If you like 9mm, by all means. Punching through a vest isn't what your looking for in home defense. You are looking for something that can deliver the most foot pounds of energy and cause the most permanent wound cavitation. I like the .40S&W and you like the 9mm and that's cool.
-D-
ya my ak 47 isnt the best for accuracy... never really tried to sight anything in.... but by god if the 30 rd clip dont swiss cheese them then the 75 round drum clip i have will.... thats why i said b4 going out n blowing through a couple hundred rounds is fun....itd take me forever in any other of my guns except my mini 30 witch i specificaly picked because of it being 7.62X39 same as my ak... don i like u and anxiously await any responses to any forum that u make because u won't say anything untail u researched it and your response is beyond questioning... dennis and sara
P.S. sara says since ive added pictures of her toys on here it is an appropriate thread to do a pict of my toys ...so ill have to bring camera home again and get a picture...
P.S. sara says since ive added pictures of her toys on here it is an appropriate thread to do a pict of my toys ...so ill have to bring camera home again and get a picture...
If you are going to use a nine mil, you just as well pickup a hand full of rocks and throw them.
The 40S&W is by far a better round, when I pull the trigger (for fun, or for real) I expect it to perform. And the 40 does by far better than the 9 ever will.
As for the video, what kind of moron takes someone out for the first time and gives them a large caliber handgun??
The 40S&W is by far a better round, when I pull the trigger (for fun, or for real) I expect it to perform. And the 40 does by far better than the 9 ever will.
As for the video, what kind of moron takes someone out for the first time and gives them a large caliber handgun??
as to vid they are all fucking morons!!!!!
we prefer 1911 45 hollow point serated metal jacket, no one will get back up lol
we prefer 1911 45 hollow point serated metal jacket, no one will get back up lol
I must admit my S&W model 910 9mm is nice and smooth, alot of controversy over this particular handgun. Glock got all pissed off and tried to sue S&W over it...... its basically a Glock 19 except its all steel and NEVER malfunctions.......and funny thing is you think S&W was trying to say something here..... Model 910 9+10=19 ....Of course they didnt have a snowballs chance in hell trying to sue S&W that was as big a joke as the Glock 19. How many cops were left standing there their dicks in thier hands over that particular weapon..................They discontinued that one for law enforcement use here in Portland. I hear good things about the .40 but Ive never fired one.......and if I needed to make a choice..........It would be ol' slab sides..........the M1911A1..........once you get used to the little pull down and to the left its all good!!! A REAL manstopper!! As far as the video......the dumbass should have at least told the young woman that she needed to hang on to that monster................
I agree with all I heard said here. Education is the key. That guy was stupid for even putting a gun that size in her hands. Had she been educated she would never have taken it from him.
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TEQUILAROSE wrote:on that note a .40 p96 beretta with hornandys new critical defence ammo, I dont care who you are you drop and die if you come in my house with that setup
Trix, you'd die before you ever drew and fired it. Not to mention, reset time sucks. Big clunky noisemaker that, if they were lucky enough aim correctly, you wouldn't wanna get hit by it. I would take a .40 or a .45 over that piece of shit anyday.
-D-
IRONHORSE360 wrote:
I havent said they have a bead on me, I havent said they have a gun, I have only said that I will only pull it as a last measure of my safety.
Maybe this perp has a knife, maybe a club, maybe they have a gun, but they are too busy talking about using it. Most who wave a gun around and talk about it, wont use it or dont know enough about it to use it.
What I am saying is, watch all these most shocking tv shows. When you see someone walk into a store and start demanding money, 99% of the time they dont intend to use it, they only want the money.
Killing another person is NOT easy, I'm not going to tell you it would be easy for me!
What I will tell you is, when it comes to my personal safety, or that of my loved ones,
I wil do what I feel I need to in order to protect them and myself.
We in the United States are raised that life is precious, and we generally would rather make idol threats than actually act. Usually ONLY when pressed into a situation of life or death do we find out if we have the metal to actually defend ourself or our loved ones.
Will YOU have the stomac to defend yourself by taking a life?
I second everything you have just said to the letter
How to convince an otherwise reasonable & willing woman to be unreasonable regarding firearms, in one dumb shot... She probably went straight home & joined the Brady Bunch.
On another 9mm note, years ago I learned of a California patrolman who EMPTY'D his hi cap 9mm at an oncoming car with NO effect, ZERO ZIP NADA NO Effect... (I later learned his every shot HIT the cars windshild, they just ricochet'd OFF!!) Untill then, I too was a 9mm fan....Ignorance was bliss... Never more! Try this, Set up half a dozen bowling pins at 10 to 50 feet and try your 9mm on em! Fire ANYTHING less than dead center hits & weebles wabble but they dont fall down! Are you willing to watch Joe home invader loom larger & larger on your front sight with every step while you take deliberate (God I hope this pop gun works!) aim? Hummm? Will your sweetie, in her terror, in the middle of the night "aim" at all?
10mm .45acp .357 mag, 38+p. hell even a straight .38 Will knock a pin ass over tea kettle OFF the freekin table with a glancing shot...Thats KNOCK DOWN Power your 9mm doesnt HAVE!... THAT is the POINT! 9mm? (hysterical laughter from whiskered Gunnery Sgts around the world...) 'damn near anything' more is preferable IMHO. I know there are true belevers out there... more power to you. its your personal decision and theres A LOT to be said for an individual whos comfortable with a particular model. Ill not argue that!
But Id recomend to anyone who honestly relies on the 9mm for their primary bottle opener to rethink their decision. In gravest extream, 'Probably effective' isnt good enuf. Consider a "Peaked & Tweeked" compact Colt 45 or a 10mm on a venerable, proven 1911 frame ... bowling pins anyone?
On another 9mm note, years ago I learned of a California patrolman who EMPTY'D his hi cap 9mm at an oncoming car with NO effect, ZERO ZIP NADA NO Effect... (I later learned his every shot HIT the cars windshild, they just ricochet'd OFF!!) Untill then, I too was a 9mm fan....Ignorance was bliss... Never more! Try this, Set up half a dozen bowling pins at 10 to 50 feet and try your 9mm on em! Fire ANYTHING less than dead center hits & weebles wabble but they dont fall down! Are you willing to watch Joe home invader loom larger & larger on your front sight with every step while you take deliberate (God I hope this pop gun works!) aim? Hummm? Will your sweetie, in her terror, in the middle of the night "aim" at all?
10mm .45acp .357 mag, 38+p. hell even a straight .38 Will knock a pin ass over tea kettle OFF the freekin table with a glancing shot...Thats KNOCK DOWN Power your 9mm doesnt HAVE!... THAT is the POINT! 9mm? (hysterical laughter from whiskered Gunnery Sgts around the world...) 'damn near anything' more is preferable IMHO. I know there are true belevers out there... more power to you. its your personal decision and theres A LOT to be said for an individual whos comfortable with a particular model. Ill not argue that!
But Id recomend to anyone who honestly relies on the 9mm for their primary bottle opener to rethink their decision. In gravest extream, 'Probably effective' isnt good enuf. Consider a "Peaked & Tweeked" compact Colt 45 or a 10mm on a venerable, proven 1911 frame ... bowling pins anyone?
An Arizona sheriff was once asked, "why do you carry a 45?"
He replied, "because they don't make a 46."
He replied, "because they don't make a 46."
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An armed citizen is a Patriot.
An unarmed citizen is a subject.
An armed citizen is a Patriot.
An unarmed citizen is a subject.