Ok, I, We, would like to know, what is it that draws you single lady/couple to a single man?
We are all adults here, so I, We, would also like to know what/why you decide NOT to play with single men?
Not looking for people bashing, just curious as to what is a turn on, or turn off...
Maybe this has already been discussed, but its the Holidays, so lets see who wants a single man for Christmas, and who doesnt... lol
What would you ladies do if your MAN, got you another MAN wrapped in nothing but a big red bow?
We are all adults here, so I, We, would also like to know what/why you decide NOT to play with single men?
Not looking for people bashing, just curious as to what is a turn on, or turn off...
Maybe this has already been discussed, but its the Holidays, so lets see who wants a single man for Christmas, and who doesnt... lol
What would you ladies do if your MAN, got you another MAN wrapped in nothing but a big red bow?
Just our two cents worth, our own opinion, and our own personal choice. We had to suffer through a stalker single male whom we got to know at a party for couples only. He had a girlfriend who really only wanted him to marry her and would pretend to be a swinger. He thought he could "trade up" to my wife. It took a serious threat of violence to get him to leave her alone.
An experience like that sours you on single men for a long, long time. It's really tough to overcome the dread of even talking to another single male and possibly having to go through that hell all over again. Throw in that if you don't block single males the prepnderance of emails from them will be "Say, you're hot, do you want to fuck tonight?" Most of the time the person online is the male and no, I don't want to fuck some single dork tonight - I'm not bi. Damn, these idiots just lower the collective IQ of single males to near single-digit territory. We'd love to get to know a quality single male but wading through the turds just isn't worth it to us.
I don't know what the answer is. Maybe the good sinle males need to band together and eliminate the dorks that cause them to be unfairly judged. Maybe the standards allowing single males to sign up here need to be more stringent - and be enforced.
If all single males come attached to problems then a dildo seems to be a more sensible answer. So, you guys that truly belong - get rid of the single trash out there and take your rightful place!
An experience like that sours you on single men for a long, long time. It's really tough to overcome the dread of even talking to another single male and possibly having to go through that hell all over again. Throw in that if you don't block single males the prepnderance of emails from them will be "Say, you're hot, do you want to fuck tonight?" Most of the time the person online is the male and no, I don't want to fuck some single dork tonight - I'm not bi. Damn, these idiots just lower the collective IQ of single males to near single-digit territory. We'd love to get to know a quality single male but wading through the turds just isn't worth it to us.
I don't know what the answer is. Maybe the good sinle males need to band together and eliminate the dorks that cause them to be unfairly judged. Maybe the standards allowing single males to sign up here need to be more stringent - and be enforced.
If all single males come attached to problems then a dildo seems to be a more sensible answer. So, you guys that truly belong - get rid of the single trash out there and take your rightful place!
We don't block single males either, and we don't seek them out, we let them come to us. However, we do not feel anyone is left out when entertaining a single male. Keep in mind that Mr. utfuncouple111 is straight and we will only hook up with straight men. Mr. utfun just happens to find it very sexy to help the mrs. double her pleasure...lol. We know there are plenty of things two straight men can do with one woman without it being awkward or someone feeling left out. Too bad Ironhorse doesn't live in Utah. 
Bothofusil
Yes, there are those idiots out there who wont take NO for an answer. The funny thing is, they come single, married, attached, and strangly enough male and female...
Ever been to a club that allows singles in with the couples? Pay attention, you'll see the single women being more aggressive than the single men. The men will get tossed out if they step out of line. What about that man or woman of the drunk couple over there, either or both may approach others, and get upset when turned down.
I agree, its too bad those couples who MIGHT play with a single man have to filter/wade/tipytoe through all the trash to find one good one. Do you shop online before you go to walmart or out shopping? Do you walk in knowing exactly what you want and where its at? IF you'll spend that kind of time surfing the single men, you may get lucky and find a good one.
I admit, while I would like to be, I may be having a bad day, I could be sick, distracted, or just got up on the wrong side of the bed. No matter, I'm not always on my A game. If you're human, you're not perfect either.
Yes, there are those idiots out there who wont take NO for an answer. The funny thing is, they come single, married, attached, and strangly enough male and female...
Ever been to a club that allows singles in with the couples? Pay attention, you'll see the single women being more aggressive than the single men. The men will get tossed out if they step out of line. What about that man or woman of the drunk couple over there, either or both may approach others, and get upset when turned down.
I agree, its too bad those couples who MIGHT play with a single man have to filter/wade/tipytoe through all the trash to find one good one. Do you shop online before you go to walmart or out shopping? Do you walk in knowing exactly what you want and where its at? IF you'll spend that kind of time surfing the single men, you may get lucky and find a good one.
I admit, while I would like to be, I may be having a bad day, I could be sick, distracted, or just got up on the wrong side of the bed. No matter, I'm not always on my A game. If you're human, you're not perfect either.
we prefer sinlge males because hubby likes to watch take pics and vids of it
Well here is our five cents worth... In our opinion single males should not be allowed on the site at all.. they are useless in every sense of the word, and a real pain in the ass at parties... why on gods green earth would I want to watch some dog fuck my wife? whats in it for me? If he does not have a girl on his arm then he is as useless as tits on a boar hog.. let me give you single turds some advice.... I got more action on the LDS singles sites than all others put together, do us all a favor and convert.
We have had more problems with single women and some other couples being more rude and aggressive than singles men. Sure, there are a few bad apples that can make it not as easy to want to talk to others, but for the most part the single guys we have chatted with on here have been very polite and unlike some couples, took us saying "no thank you" with class and courtesy, rather than getting all bitchy about it.
SexyPoker
What is funny to me is this.
While you feel single men should be ban from swingers sites and clubs, I'll bet you think its just fine for single women to be in the club, on this and any other swingers site, and sitting on your lap willing to fuck your brains out...
No I'm not mad, I'm not upset, and I dont take any of these post personally, I expect a percentage of couples to post against single men. I see this as educational for anyone who reads it.
The *whats in it for me* remark speaks VOLUMES!!!!
Lets explore that question... What is in it for you as the hubby?
IF approached correctly, a male friend to hit the topless clubs, a hunting/fishing buddy, if you ride, a biker to cruise with, maybe a friend who can and will fix your car, truck, bike, PC, or do the handy work around the house that you dont know how to do, or dont have time for.
You get a wife who loves you deeply, and can see that you are willing to let her explore somethings that maybe she wouldnt ask you to do? She just may respect you more, and allow you to do things you've not been able to talk her into. You may be surprised at how much pleasure you get watching your wife enjoy herself with the other man, and once that other man is gone she make turn up the heat and give it to you better than before, hell most single men dont care if you *the hubby* step up and help in giving her pleasure, (who else would know her sweet spots better than YOU)...
Your wife gets to find multi-orgasms as you and the other man DP her, and then one or both of you give her that pearl necklace she so loves...
What do you get out of it? A HAPPY WIFE!!! Remember if SHE is HAPPY, YOU are Happy!!!
There can be a lot of positive effects of the RIGHT single man playing in your sandbox.
What is funny to me is this.
While you feel single men should be ban from swingers sites and clubs, I'll bet you think its just fine for single women to be in the club, on this and any other swingers site, and sitting on your lap willing to fuck your brains out...
No I'm not mad, I'm not upset, and I dont take any of these post personally, I expect a percentage of couples to post against single men. I see this as educational for anyone who reads it.
The *whats in it for me* remark speaks VOLUMES!!!!
Lets explore that question... What is in it for you as the hubby?
IF approached correctly, a male friend to hit the topless clubs, a hunting/fishing buddy, if you ride, a biker to cruise with, maybe a friend who can and will fix your car, truck, bike, PC, or do the handy work around the house that you dont know how to do, or dont have time for.
You get a wife who loves you deeply, and can see that you are willing to let her explore somethings that maybe she wouldnt ask you to do? She just may respect you more, and allow you to do things you've not been able to talk her into. You may be surprised at how much pleasure you get watching your wife enjoy herself with the other man, and once that other man is gone she make turn up the heat and give it to you better than before, hell most single men dont care if you *the hubby* step up and help in giving her pleasure, (who else would know her sweet spots better than YOU)...
Your wife gets to find multi-orgasms as you and the other man DP her, and then one or both of you give her that pearl necklace she so loves...
What do you get out of it? A HAPPY WIFE!!! Remember if SHE is HAPPY, YOU are Happy!!!
There can be a lot of positive effects of the RIGHT single man playing in your sandbox.
IronHorse,
We've been to lots of clubs that allow single males and frankly all we ever see is the single male floating from couple to couple, striking out time after time. Honestly, we've never seen the aggressive drunk females or couples you mention. Not saying it doesn't happen, just saying we've never witnessed it. What we've seen is near eruptions from pissed of husbands who get tired of running off the unwanted single males. Do the single males get watched more by the club operators? Undoubtedly, but those few that ruin everything bring it on themselves and, by extension, others who don't deserve it. We've had to witness countless female members of couples politely try to brush off the unwanted advances until the husband is close to blowing up. If the club is ran right, the operators step in and, yes, the single male gets bounced. But, damn, he deserved it! He not only wouldn't take no for an answer from that woman, he never got a clue from the ten before her that politely blew him off.
Too many single guys think women in the lifestyle are just out looking to pick up a guy and act like they are in a singles pick-up bar. They forget those women have husbands - some of whom don't even like the fact that single guys are in the place. Others may have been actively seeking a single guy until that turd walked up, grabbed a boobie, and asked the wife to fuck him then and there. That wouldn't work in a singles bar and it ain't gonna work in a swingers club. As a friend of mine is fond of saying, that dude couldn't get laid in a whorehouse with a fistful of $100 bills!
But his actions then reflect on all single guys and not just in that club. How many people leave thinking that's the normal behavior of single guys - because it was all they witnessed all night long? It sure isn't fair to single guys who are good people and it creates barriers that they then have to overcome.
True story here. Last time we struck up a conversation with a single guy in a club that allowed them we found him to be friendly and fun to talk with. Nothing happened but we enjoyed talking with him. Next day I'm online and here's this guy's profile. That's funny, he told us he had just flown in from San Francisco, didn't know anyone in town, happened on the club by mistake, etc,. etc. All a lie because there's his picture, he lived in town and had for quite some time, and admitted he went to the club every Saturday There was no need for him to lie at all. So why did he feel the need to do so? Got him the same treatment we reserve for couples who spend all their time trying to impress us with the "things" they own - they get blocked and ignored.
We've been to lots of clubs that allow single males and frankly all we ever see is the single male floating from couple to couple, striking out time after time. Honestly, we've never seen the aggressive drunk females or couples you mention. Not saying it doesn't happen, just saying we've never witnessed it. What we've seen is near eruptions from pissed of husbands who get tired of running off the unwanted single males. Do the single males get watched more by the club operators? Undoubtedly, but those few that ruin everything bring it on themselves and, by extension, others who don't deserve it. We've had to witness countless female members of couples politely try to brush off the unwanted advances until the husband is close to blowing up. If the club is ran right, the operators step in and, yes, the single male gets bounced. But, damn, he deserved it! He not only wouldn't take no for an answer from that woman, he never got a clue from the ten before her that politely blew him off.
Too many single guys think women in the lifestyle are just out looking to pick up a guy and act like they are in a singles pick-up bar. They forget those women have husbands - some of whom don't even like the fact that single guys are in the place. Others may have been actively seeking a single guy until that turd walked up, grabbed a boobie, and asked the wife to fuck him then and there. That wouldn't work in a singles bar and it ain't gonna work in a swingers club. As a friend of mine is fond of saying, that dude couldn't get laid in a whorehouse with a fistful of $100 bills!
But his actions then reflect on all single guys and not just in that club. How many people leave thinking that's the normal behavior of single guys - because it was all they witnessed all night long? It sure isn't fair to single guys who are good people and it creates barriers that they then have to overcome.
True story here. Last time we struck up a conversation with a single guy in a club that allowed them we found him to be friendly and fun to talk with. Nothing happened but we enjoyed talking with him. Next day I'm online and here's this guy's profile. That's funny, he told us he had just flown in from San Francisco, didn't know anyone in town, happened on the club by mistake, etc,. etc. All a lie because there's his picture, he lived in town and had for quite some time, and admitted he went to the club every Saturday There was no need for him to lie at all. So why did he feel the need to do so? Got him the same treatment we reserve for couples who spend all their time trying to impress us with the "things" they own - they get blocked and ignored.
WHOA Sexypoker! That is way out of line! The kind of mentality that you just displayed is the same as right wing religious intolerance!
The life and lifestyle we live is free to everyone! That is what makes this country a wonderful place to live and make a living. Remember, we all have the right to "life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness".
Yes it is true single men are not sought after as much as women and couples. But for those who do appreciate a decent single man, we are here. The stigma of single men being "dogs out to f*** my wife", liars, cheaters, etc., is far from the truth. I agree that there are men that do fit this stigma, but I have met a lot of women who were just as bad if not WORSE!!!! So do we ban single women too?
As far as the lifestyle, I am a FIRM BELIEVER THAT WHAT IS GOOD FOR THE GOOSE IS GOOD FOR THE GANDER!!!! So many men love to be with their wife and another woman. OK. But if the wife wants the fantasy of being with their husband and another man, OOOOHHHH NOOOOO! He won't have it! What is with that double standard?
As for not wanting or wanting a single man, it is a choice. Sexypoker, it is your choice to not want single men, and I have the utmost respect for your wishes. But for you to claim that single men should be banned is absurd. I would go as far as calling it obscene!
The life and lifestyle we live is free to everyone! That is what makes this country a wonderful place to live and make a living. Remember, we all have the right to "life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness".
Yes it is true single men are not sought after as much as women and couples. But for those who do appreciate a decent single man, we are here. The stigma of single men being "dogs out to f*** my wife", liars, cheaters, etc., is far from the truth. I agree that there are men that do fit this stigma, but I have met a lot of women who were just as bad if not WORSE!!!! So do we ban single women too?
As far as the lifestyle, I am a FIRM BELIEVER THAT WHAT IS GOOD FOR THE GOOSE IS GOOD FOR THE GANDER!!!! So many men love to be with their wife and another woman. OK. But if the wife wants the fantasy of being with their husband and another man, OOOOHHHH NOOOOO! He won't have it! What is with that double standard?
As for not wanting or wanting a single man, it is a choice. Sexypoker, it is your choice to not want single men, and I have the utmost respect for your wishes. But for you to claim that single men should be banned is absurd. I would go as far as calling it obscene!
we have had more rudeness from other couples than we have single males but we think thats because we are seeking single males only but the point is we think anyone has the right to be in the lifestyle as same goes for everyones choice of what they are looking for .. so our 2 cents says if you dont like singles block them or whatever ... and ops are like asses everyone has one .. no one has to be rude
SexyPoker
I've never been to a swingers club outside of Dallas Ft Worth, Sans Souci, Iniquity, AfterMidnight, and the PlayPen. Iniquity may not allow single men in, but I know the others do. In those clubs single men are restricted to an area at the bar. They are not to approach any couples or single ladies! Doing so will get you a warning, and then tossed out!
I dont normally go to a swingers club alone, I'll take a lady friend with me, she may NOT be a swinger, but she does like to dance, socialize, dress sexy, and enjoys the attention, and the people.
When I have gone alone, I find a couple I know and sit with them.
The biggest mistake anyone can make, be it a single man or woman or couple is this.
They ASSUME that those in the club are looking to go home and get laid by strangers..
When you enter a swingers club planning on getting laid, plan on being disappointed!
As a single male myself, I have to be respectful to ALL I encounter!
It's like a business, one upset customer tells TEN of thier friends, and they tell more friends, the next thing you know your business is dead.
You build customers ONE at a time, you build SWINGER friends ONE at a time.
I cant fix the fact that you've had bad experiences, there is no REAL answer. Screening everyone who comes in the club, just means everyone avoids that club.
I'm not going to try to changes anyones mind, or how they play, my question is and has been,
WHAT or WHY do decide to or not to play with single men?
And THANK YOU for your response! Much appreciated.
T4Real
Now, Now.... Listen and Learn, dont come down on those who choose not to play with single man. This thread is meant for us SMART singles to gain knowlege, and better understand the lifestyle, and those who play in it...
I've never been to a swingers club outside of Dallas Ft Worth, Sans Souci, Iniquity, AfterMidnight, and the PlayPen. Iniquity may not allow single men in, but I know the others do. In those clubs single men are restricted to an area at the bar. They are not to approach any couples or single ladies! Doing so will get you a warning, and then tossed out!
I dont normally go to a swingers club alone, I'll take a lady friend with me, she may NOT be a swinger, but she does like to dance, socialize, dress sexy, and enjoys the attention, and the people.
When I have gone alone, I find a couple I know and sit with them.
The biggest mistake anyone can make, be it a single man or woman or couple is this.
They ASSUME that those in the club are looking to go home and get laid by strangers..
When you enter a swingers club planning on getting laid, plan on being disappointed!
As a single male myself, I have to be respectful to ALL I encounter!
It's like a business, one upset customer tells TEN of thier friends, and they tell more friends, the next thing you know your business is dead.
You build customers ONE at a time, you build SWINGER friends ONE at a time.
I cant fix the fact that you've had bad experiences, there is no REAL answer. Screening everyone who comes in the club, just means everyone avoids that club.
I'm not going to try to changes anyones mind, or how they play, my question is and has been,
WHAT or WHY do decide to or not to play with single men?
And THANK YOU for your response! Much appreciated.
T4Real
Now, Now.... Listen and Learn, dont come down on those who choose not to play with single man. This thread is meant for us SMART singles to gain knowlege, and better understand the lifestyle, and those who play in it...
T4Real
I dont see Sexypoker hating anyone.
He has said that from his experiences, be it at a club, private party, and I'm sure out in public, that men hit on his wife, and dont take NO for an answer.
I have no doubt you have had play partners who you've been out with, and even with you standing right there, the idiots are still hitting on her, and dont want to take No for an answer.
It happens in *straight, gay, lesbian, and swingers* clubs.
I know several swing couples who prefer to hunt for play partners in the *straight* clubs.
There is a huge gallery of men to choose from, most willing to play even if hubby wants to watch.
We are all here because we LOVE sex, and we want multi partners.
I dont see Sexypoker hating anyone.
He has said that from his experiences, be it at a club, private party, and I'm sure out in public, that men hit on his wife, and dont take NO for an answer.
I have no doubt you have had play partners who you've been out with, and even with you standing right there, the idiots are still hitting on her, and dont want to take No for an answer.
It happens in *straight, gay, lesbian, and swingers* clubs.
I know several swing couples who prefer to hunt for play partners in the *straight* clubs.
There is a huge gallery of men to choose from, most willing to play even if hubby wants to watch.
We are all here because we LOVE sex, and we want multi partners.
Single guys are not the only problem. We have had the male half of a few couples try to get with the wife behind my back but she would let me know and then they were history. At least the single male has no hidden agenda. Single males we get interested in are the ones that I get along with and could hang out with and she has an attraction to.
What seems to work better for us is to find couples that make it known to all that they will play seperate rather then sneeking behind someones back. We have been lucky to find a few couples that fit this bill and have a quality single male or two everyonce in a while. So to answer the question, we look for a guy that will be a friend to both of us and playmate to her. We do not seek them out as we get plenty of interest from mostly tools that are rude but once in a while we get a respectfull e-mail. Bottom line is be yourself and if a couple likes what they see of you on here they will let you know or if you contact them they will invite you in.
What seems to work better for us is to find couples that make it known to all that they will play seperate rather then sneeking behind someones back. We have been lucky to find a few couples that fit this bill and have a quality single male or two everyonce in a while. So to answer the question, we look for a guy that will be a friend to both of us and playmate to her. We do not seek them out as we get plenty of interest from mostly tools that are rude but once in a while we get a respectfull e-mail. Bottom line is be yourself and if a couple likes what they see of you on here they will let you know or if you contact them they will invite you in.
We haven't blocked single men, but I am not going to entertain bullshit by one either. There are a few who immediately jump on new profiles and those who are picture gathering. I am waiting for one that can hold a conversation, be sincere when I ask pointed questions and is open to discussion.
Mrs K_T aka Darlingevil.
Mrs K_T aka Darlingevil.
On this and other sites, we say "No Single Males" and they can't seem to understand and we get their letters. We are not interested in singles be they single males or females. Wife is not really bi so it doesn't do much for her. If she is not interested, it isn't much fun for me either. We have played with a male who is part of a couple because the girl doesn't like me. Not an issue. However, as a true single male, we have tried them and had enough of the crash and burn routine. So far, they are 3 for 3. Why would we be intersted in seeing if a 4th time would be the lucky time?
Well after reading everyone being down on single males I find that I would like to post my opinion. We have met some real great single men and have enjoyed playing with some and still have 2 good single males we refere to as friends. Now if you look at that amount of single males we have talked to via e mail or on the phone.... it is a lot and it is like finding a couple that both partners feel comfortable with. Yes I have ran into a ton of shitty males but that doesn't mean they are all going to be that way. It would be like saying because I am a female I love shopping (which btw I HATE). You can't base one group of people by other similiar to them have been awful. I like the single men that can perform while my hubby watches and I get so turned on by being watched. Kelly is very straight but he loves to watch and help me have that fun. TO be honest with ya right now I am looking for about 4 maybe 5 single males that can perform while the others are around. I have been looking for that for about a year now and finding the right men for the job is not easy but it is well worth the looking. I also find the the single men I have ran into lately have been more respectful than what we used to run into a few years back. So maybe more improvments will be made!
Tasha
Tasha
Ironhorse! Thanks for stepping up and defending the single males.
Hey kelntash, perhaps we could get the couple of single men you like and mix them with a few of our single friends and we could put together a group of 4 or 5 good single men to enjoy.
Back to the original question, yes the wife would love a hot single man wrapped in a red bow as a christmans present, we have a few in mind...hehe. We choose to allow single men mainly because hubby was a single man in the lifestyle, this was long before the internet, but he did learn quickly what works and what doesn't work for single men, therefore he knows what to look for and what to look out for. Don't get us wrong, we love our couples, but we recognize a good single man when the right one approaches.
Back to the original question, yes the wife would love a hot single man wrapped in a red bow as a christmans present, we have a few in mind...hehe. We choose to allow single men mainly because hubby was a single man in the lifestyle, this was long before the internet, but he did learn quickly what works and what doesn't work for single men, therefore he knows what to look for and what to look out for. Don't get us wrong, we love our couples, but we recognize a good single man when the right one approaches.
For the record, we do play with single guys,(in the play of a group) and the ones we have played with, have been nothing but gentlemen..Granted we dont play with single guys as a general rule, but as another person in a 6, 8, 10some, we have met some awesome guys whom we play with when we can now. Keep doing what your doing! Call us when ya have a nice BI female and lets all play!
~D&T~
~D&T~
As the saying goes, "There are bad apples in every group."
I have always treated people (couples and single females) with the upmost respect.
Those couples who HAVE taken the time to get to know me have enjoyed my company in AND out of the bedroom.
I once met with a couple and firmly set my boundaries, being a straight male. I thought we were all on the same page, that was until we started to play. I respected their boundaries but they did not respect mine. The wife wanted to fulfill her fantasy of seeing her man being sucked by another male and vise versa. I was told play would only continued if her fantasy was fulfilled. I politely gathered my things and left.
WOW...a single male walking away from pussy!!!!
Now, I could sit here and bash couples based on that experience.
But that would be like judging a book by it's cover.
I simply moved on and have had plenty of great experiences with others.
Also, to say a particular group does not belong in a community is ridiculous. Especially in a group where some of the members do actually enjoy the single males in the lifestyle.
Sorry to all of those who have had bad experiences with single males. Please do not judge all of us by the actions of those few.
Thanks
"In the confrontation between the river and the rock, the river always wins. Not through strength, but rather through persistence."
I have always treated people (couples and single females) with the upmost respect.
Those couples who HAVE taken the time to get to know me have enjoyed my company in AND out of the bedroom.
I once met with a couple and firmly set my boundaries, being a straight male. I thought we were all on the same page, that was until we started to play. I respected their boundaries but they did not respect mine. The wife wanted to fulfill her fantasy of seeing her man being sucked by another male and vise versa. I was told play would only continued if her fantasy was fulfilled. I politely gathered my things and left.
WOW...a single male walking away from pussy!!!!
Now, I could sit here and bash couples based on that experience.
But that would be like judging a book by it's cover.
I simply moved on and have had plenty of great experiences with others.
Also, to say a particular group does not belong in a community is ridiculous. Especially in a group where some of the members do actually enjoy the single males in the lifestyle.
Sorry to all of those who have had bad experiences with single males. Please do not judge all of us by the actions of those few.
Thanks
"In the confrontation between the river and the rock, the river always wins. Not through strength, but rather through persistence."
DIABLITO
I'm NOT standing up for single men, I'm NOT defending them either!
I'm putting it out there, to hear what people have to say.
IF a single man reads this, it might do him good to post with his A game!
Remember couples are reading this too, and for those couples riding the fence,
it may give them the insight to stay on the fence or decide which side of the fence
they want to play on.
Instead of Thanking me, its your chance to shine or wash out...
T4Real
Are suggesting that your race and the discrimination you face everyday
is the same or different from what you see/hear/deal with as a single male?
I happen to know several couples who claim NOT to be interested in single men,
yet they will push me out of the way, to get to, and play with single black men.
We ALL live by the choices we make, be it appearing angry, submissive, kind, funny,
intelligent, stupid, a horny dog out for bed knotches, or a complete asshole.
We make our own bed, and only we can fix it, because we have to sleep in it!
There are plenty of people who lurk these threads and never post a word,
that is too bad, as it would be nice to get their input, pro or con, based on rumor
or experience.
I'm NOT standing up for single men, I'm NOT defending them either!
I'm putting it out there, to hear what people have to say.
IF a single man reads this, it might do him good to post with his A game!
Remember couples are reading this too, and for those couples riding the fence,
it may give them the insight to stay on the fence or decide which side of the fence
they want to play on.
Instead of Thanking me, its your chance to shine or wash out...
T4Real
Are suggesting that your race and the discrimination you face everyday
is the same or different from what you see/hear/deal with as a single male?
I happen to know several couples who claim NOT to be interested in single men,
yet they will push me out of the way, to get to, and play with single black men.
We ALL live by the choices we make, be it appearing angry, submissive, kind, funny,
intelligent, stupid, a horny dog out for bed knotches, or a complete asshole.
We make our own bed, and only we can fix it, because we have to sleep in it!
There are plenty of people who lurk these threads and never post a word,
that is too bad, as it would be nice to get their input, pro or con, based on rumor
or experience.
Great point Ironhorse, what you say in these threads can make you shine or wash out. We have seen that what gets posted in the threads can show a different side of the person as opposed to what they have written in their profile. Based on what we have read on here over time we have realized there are some, despite their profile and what it says that we would never consider meeting. Others who may have had a profile that didn`t catch our attention have stood out by their words posted here and we would love to meet them. Inactivity will only get you overlooked.
NPNUDISTCPLE,
or in Ironhorse's case, over-activity will make everyone sick of seeing your face. I'm not sure if he feels like he has become the spokesman for single guys, but am really tired of going to the home page and seeing 75% of the subject matters in the forums all answered by IronHorse. I mean, he has the right to post anything he wants, but this site really isn't "Singular", it's "Swingular". I mean can you really be single and be labeled a swinger? You aren't sharing or swapping, you
or in Ironhorse's case, over-activity will make everyone sick of seeing your face. I'm not sure if he feels like he has become the spokesman for single guys, but am really tired of going to the home page and seeing 75% of the subject matters in the forums all answered by IronHorse. I mean, he has the right to post anything he wants, but this site really isn't "Singular", it's "Swingular". I mean can you really be single and be labeled a swinger? You aren't sharing or swapping, you
Can't we all get along? JESUS H FUCKING CHRIST!!!!!!!
Iron...What do we look for in a single male? We look for respect, cleanlyness (sp?), attention, good conversational skills, etc...We seek the same in single men, single women, and couples...
As to all the bashing of single men, it is men in general whom we have a problem with..be they single, married, divorced, seperated, or other...What we do know is that a single man will be tossed as soon as anyone makes a complaint to management at the clubs, HOWEVER, if a man who showed up with a woman did the EXACT same thing, he is OK...We have heard MANY people yell at a man for doing ____________, then apologize for yelling at him when they found out he was part of a couple...
The stereotypes attached to single men are unjustified in our experience...They should be attached to men in general...
As to Poker's statement...IMHO, he is simply an insecure man who is afraid that some single stud will steal his girl...add to this a nice dose of selfishness...You have Poker...
Iron...What do we look for in a single male? We look for respect, cleanlyness (sp?), attention, good conversational skills, etc...We seek the same in single men, single women, and couples...
As to all the bashing of single men, it is men in general whom we have a problem with..be they single, married, divorced, seperated, or other...What we do know is that a single man will be tossed as soon as anyone makes a complaint to management at the clubs, HOWEVER, if a man who showed up with a woman did the EXACT same thing, he is OK...We have heard MANY people yell at a man for doing ____________, then apologize for yelling at him when they found out he was part of a couple...
The stereotypes attached to single men are unjustified in our experience...They should be attached to men in general...
As to Poker's statement...IMHO, he is simply an insecure man who is afraid that some single stud will steal his girl...add to this a nice dose of selfishness...You have Poker...
jstjim72 and Ironhorse
thank you.
I would just like tosay that I am a very easy going person and I have had women, and couples treat me like a dog, just because I am a single male. yet when I tsake a lady friend with me the same women and couples are very interested in becoming friends and maybe even playmates. here is the questions I present
1. did my looks change?
2. did my personality change?
3. did I suddenly change as a person?
4. did my sense of humor change?
the answer to all of those questions is NO I didn't do Any thing to change any thing, except bring a friend. Next question what if the friend I brought were a male? the answer, I wouldn't even make it in the door!
When I go to a club, whether it be straight or a swingers club I go to have a good time and enjoy myself. I am very easy going and if I'm on my days off I like to drink. Believe it or not I am less opinionistic when I am drunk because I don't want to get thrown out! I go to a club to have fun and enjoy myself,when there if it turns into a lay great if not noharm no foul! And as far as the websites go, I am still easy to talk to and easy going. The one thing I don't like is that I am denied(fine) and then the couple says they have had noone interested in meeting with them. That is a little hypocritical, there was interest in meeting, just they were not interested; don't lie about it be truthful, say(we are not interested) and also say(the inquiries we have had aren't to our likings or standards) in a lifestyle that is "taboo" or considered as deviant by regular standards, truthfulness is a must! we have to have boundaries,standards and goals to achieve anything, why would that change here?
I ama very succcesful business man and like to have fun, I thought that is what this lifestyle was about; fun,experience,friends and of course sex. one has to coinside with the others.
I guess I have expressed enough of my thoughts today, I will step aside for someone else to express their thoughts. I didn't write this out of anger or ignorance, I wrote it hoping it will make people think before they treat someone unfairly, and I hope that it gives someone a new insight, and just think as indefinate as things are in life, why should we live in fear. Just have a good time.
thanx
jeremy
thank you.
I would just like tosay that I am a very easy going person and I have had women, and couples treat me like a dog, just because I am a single male. yet when I tsake a lady friend with me the same women and couples are very interested in becoming friends and maybe even playmates. here is the questions I present
1. did my looks change?
2. did my personality change?
3. did I suddenly change as a person?
4. did my sense of humor change?
the answer to all of those questions is NO I didn't do Any thing to change any thing, except bring a friend. Next question what if the friend I brought were a male? the answer, I wouldn't even make it in the door!
When I go to a club, whether it be straight or a swingers club I go to have a good time and enjoy myself. I am very easy going and if I'm on my days off I like to drink. Believe it or not I am less opinionistic when I am drunk because I don't want to get thrown out! I go to a club to have fun and enjoy myself,when there if it turns into a lay great if not noharm no foul! And as far as the websites go, I am still easy to talk to and easy going. The one thing I don't like is that I am denied(fine) and then the couple says they have had noone interested in meeting with them. That is a little hypocritical, there was interest in meeting, just they were not interested; don't lie about it be truthful, say(we are not interested) and also say(the inquiries we have had aren't to our likings or standards) in a lifestyle that is "taboo" or considered as deviant by regular standards, truthfulness is a must! we have to have boundaries,standards and goals to achieve anything, why would that change here?
I ama very succcesful business man and like to have fun, I thought that is what this lifestyle was about; fun,experience,friends and of course sex. one has to coinside with the others.
I guess I have expressed enough of my thoughts today, I will step aside for someone else to express their thoughts. I didn't write this out of anger or ignorance, I wrote it hoping it will make people think before they treat someone unfairly, and I hope that it gives someone a new insight, and just think as indefinate as things are in life, why should we live in fear. Just have a good time.
thanx
jeremy
JEREMY,
I think your main pic is a little mis-leading. First and foremost I think people want honesty. Unless we were to look at your profile, we would assume you are a couple because of your main pic. You need to do like most single guys and just plaster a big (or small) cock shot on your main pic. Thay way, we'll immediately know.. Single Guy!!
I think your main pic is a little mis-leading. First and foremost I think people want honesty. Unless we were to look at your profile, we would assume you are a couple because of your main pic. You need to do like most single guys and just plaster a big (or small) cock shot on your main pic. Thay way, we'll immediately know.. Single Guy!!
The single guy team is sounding weak on this thread!
I can't speak for couples, but the best way to find out if a single guy is for real in the lifestyle and not just a loser who can't get laid is through certifications.
If other couples have had fun w/ him in the past and felt comfortable enough to play, then he's probably a nice guy. If he has no certs, a bunch of cock shots, a huge ego over how much money he makes, how he's some kind of self styled macho man, and how he can "make you cum all nite" then he's probably a fucking douche bag!
I turn down more couples than I meet (or at least I did prior to moving here last week!) b/c you can tell there are jealousy issues (see first page of this thread), they are obnoxious or crazy, or they are just plain white trash.
Again, I can't speak for the couples, but I've heard that the single guys are much more respectful when it comes to everything leading up to play and are less prone to play games, complain, start fights, etc.
I can't speak for couples, but the best way to find out if a single guy is for real in the lifestyle and not just a loser who can't get laid is through certifications.
If other couples have had fun w/ him in the past and felt comfortable enough to play, then he's probably a nice guy. If he has no certs, a bunch of cock shots, a huge ego over how much money he makes, how he's some kind of self styled macho man, and how he can "make you cum all nite" then he's probably a fucking douche bag!
I turn down more couples than I meet (or at least I did prior to moving here last week!) b/c you can tell there are jealousy issues (see first page of this thread), they are obnoxious or crazy, or they are just plain white trash.
Again, I can't speak for the couples, but I've heard that the single guys are much more respectful when it comes to everything leading up to play and are less prone to play games, complain, start fights, etc.
Posted By: KALASHNIKEV Reply posted on:
Dec 12, 2007 - 7:15 am
The single guy team is sounding weak on this thread!
I've heard that the single guys are much more respectful when it comes to everything leading up to play and are less prone to play games, complain, start fights, etc.
That seems directly opposite to our experiences. We have found that they often try hide the fact that they brought a ticket to the party, very full of sweet talk and not as respectful of our limits. Now, having said that, are there couples that are not respectful? Sure. As we have said before, we are 3 for 3 as far as single guys go. The wife isn't that keen on 2 on 1 action so that kinda leaves him out. Plus single guys department is way, way overstocked. Most of our friends and the clubs don't want them there except maybe on a Fri night. That coupled with the our personal experiences are why we don't want them or need them.
That being said, we don't care what they do as long as the facility has it's rules and they stick to it. Executive North used to allow single guys there as long as they were part of a couple and a current couple brings them and he goes with them.
Dec 12, 2007 - 7:15 am
The single guy team is sounding weak on this thread!
I've heard that the single guys are much more respectful when it comes to everything leading up to play and are less prone to play games, complain, start fights, etc.
That seems directly opposite to our experiences. We have found that they often try hide the fact that they brought a ticket to the party, very full of sweet talk and not as respectful of our limits. Now, having said that, are there couples that are not respectful? Sure. As we have said before, we are 3 for 3 as far as single guys go. The wife isn't that keen on 2 on 1 action so that kinda leaves him out. Plus single guys department is way, way overstocked. Most of our friends and the clubs don't want them there except maybe on a Fri night. That coupled with the our personal experiences are why we don't want them or need them.
That being said, we don't care what they do as long as the facility has it's rules and they stick to it. Executive North used to allow single guys there as long as they were part of a couple and a current couple brings them and he goes with them.
Well I do love to stir up shit when ever possible... so here goes round two!
I challenge all the couples out there who have no use for single men to give us there two cents worth on this issue, the single men seem to feel threatened by my remarks, as do some of the couples out there suffering from premature ejaculation issues.
Our experience with single men amounts to this:
1- single men show up at the party or event uninvited, a friend of a friend or some shit like that.
2- single men drink all our booze and never even offer a dime to help pay for it.
3- single men hover like fucking vultures over our women waiting for us to go the the bathroom so they can swoop in with some lame ass line like, Baby, I'm no Fred Flintstone, but I can make your Bedrock! or I know I don't look like much now, but I'm drinking milk.
4- If there is sex going on they are the ones in the corner with there camera phones out and a shit eating grin on there face... (and some new pics to put up on there myspace page in the morning)
5- When asked to join in there performance anxiety is so bad, you have to believe that the erection your pet dog has is of more use to you at the time (at least you have something to feed the cat) old joke....
6- If they do get some, they are impossible to get rid of... (restraining order time)
7- Most important of all.... its called SWINGING. Mr UtHot put it best: this site really isn't "Singular", it's "Swingular". I mean can you really be single and be labeled a swinger? You aren't sharing or swapping, you
I challenge all the couples out there who have no use for single men to give us there two cents worth on this issue, the single men seem to feel threatened by my remarks, as do some of the couples out there suffering from premature ejaculation issues.
Our experience with single men amounts to this:
1- single men show up at the party or event uninvited, a friend of a friend or some shit like that.
2- single men drink all our booze and never even offer a dime to help pay for it.
3- single men hover like fucking vultures over our women waiting for us to go the the bathroom so they can swoop in with some lame ass line like, Baby, I'm no Fred Flintstone, but I can make your Bedrock! or I know I don't look like much now, but I'm drinking milk.
4- If there is sex going on they are the ones in the corner with there camera phones out and a shit eating grin on there face... (and some new pics to put up on there myspace page in the morning)
5- When asked to join in there performance anxiety is so bad, you have to believe that the erection your pet dog has is of more use to you at the time (at least you have something to feed the cat) old joke....
6- If they do get some, they are impossible to get rid of... (restraining order time)
7- Most important of all.... its called SWINGING. Mr UtHot put it best: this site really isn't "Singular", it's "Swingular". I mean can you really be single and be labeled a swinger? You aren't sharing or swapping, you
Well we must be the exception because the
kind of behavior being described here we have
only experienced with regular guys at one of the
clubs or bars. In general the guys in the lifestyle
we have partied with have been very decent,
considerate & polite.
kind of behavior being described here we have
only experienced with regular guys at one of the
clubs or bars. In general the guys in the lifestyle
we have partied with have been very decent,
considerate & polite.
Sexypoker: "there is no want or need for single men in a swinging lifestyle"
I wasn't aware that you had been voted spokesperson for the entire swinging community. While you may speak for some, maybe even the majority, your hardly in a place to speak for everyone.
So lets take your silly list one at a time. I will only speak for myself as I have not confered with others so I cannot speak for them on this mater nor would I assume to.
1. I have never showed up at a party or other adult gathering without an invitation.
2. I drink very little if at all and don't ever get drunk, so that one's shot down.
3. I tend to mingle looking for good humored conversation not sex. So you won't see me "stalking" your woman waiting for you to leave the room. Funny you call them "our" women, kind of posessive don't you think? considering women AREN"T posessions.
4. I never bring a phone or camera. Mainly because I'm too busy to bother with pictures. I also rarely talk dirty... I was taught not to talk with my mouth full.
5. Never been a problem. if it fades any ,I have many other avenues to please whom I'm with.
6. If I do get some I may let it be known that I would like a repeat, but leave the ball in their court as to making contact in the future.
7.I don't call myself a "swinger" I'm in an adult lifestyle which encompasses many differnt stokes for all kinds of folks.
As for the single ladies?
1. I know several single women in the lifestyle and have had many at the parties at my house.
2. A bi male can please both equaly well if both in the couple are bi. So this one is out too, and for the woman that likes a good DP, so who isn't getting pleased weather it's FMF or MFM?
3. I happen to know many women in this lifestyle that are straight and have a difficult time with some more aggressive females.
4. last party I held it was about 1 to 1 single males to females.
So your speaking out of ignorance and hostility and your insecurities show in your profile and here in this thread. The whole older man with the cute young wife thing is obvious, so you get to deal with others wanting to play with her but not you (she's hot your old)and it pisses you off.... DEAL DUDE!
Would you let "your" woman go play alone with another woman? I highly dought it, because your in it for you and I bet you would have a hard time of it if she wanted to do something like that. I base that on your profile comment about all or none, do us both or move on.
Your entittled to your emotional prejudices, but I don't have to buy them. Sure there are some uncouth men ,but there are also uncouth women and couples.
This isn't about sex. Sex just happens to be a benifit when I connect with someone and part of experiencing them on different levels.
NEXT!
I wasn't aware that you had been voted spokesperson for the entire swinging community. While you may speak for some, maybe even the majority, your hardly in a place to speak for everyone.
So lets take your silly list one at a time. I will only speak for myself as I have not confered with others so I cannot speak for them on this mater nor would I assume to.
1. I have never showed up at a party or other adult gathering without an invitation.
2. I drink very little if at all and don't ever get drunk, so that one's shot down.
3. I tend to mingle looking for good humored conversation not sex. So you won't see me "stalking" your woman waiting for you to leave the room. Funny you call them "our" women, kind of posessive don't you think? considering women AREN"T posessions.
4. I never bring a phone or camera. Mainly because I'm too busy to bother with pictures. I also rarely talk dirty... I was taught not to talk with my mouth full.
5. Never been a problem. if it fades any ,I have many other avenues to please whom I'm with.
6. If I do get some I may let it be known that I would like a repeat, but leave the ball in their court as to making contact in the future.
7.I don't call myself a "swinger" I'm in an adult lifestyle which encompasses many differnt stokes for all kinds of folks.
As for the single ladies?
1. I know several single women in the lifestyle and have had many at the parties at my house.
2. A bi male can please both equaly well if both in the couple are bi. So this one is out too, and for the woman that likes a good DP, so who isn't getting pleased weather it's FMF or MFM?
3. I happen to know many women in this lifestyle that are straight and have a difficult time with some more aggressive females.
4. last party I held it was about 1 to 1 single males to females.
So your speaking out of ignorance and hostility and your insecurities show in your profile and here in this thread. The whole older man with the cute young wife thing is obvious, so you get to deal with others wanting to play with her but not you (she's hot your old)and it pisses you off.... DEAL DUDE!
Would you let "your" woman go play alone with another woman? I highly dought it, because your in it for you and I bet you would have a hard time of it if she wanted to do something like that. I base that on your profile comment about all or none, do us both or move on.
Your entittled to your emotional prejudices, but I don't have to buy them. Sure there are some uncouth men ,but there are also uncouth women and couples.
This isn't about sex. Sex just happens to be a benifit when I connect with someone and part of experiencing them on different levels.
NEXT!
ok short and simple! If you are not looking for single men don't give them the time of day. If you enjoy them on occasion as we do make the right choices for yourself. I will tell you this we have had bad exp with couples as well singles.
Michele
Michele
Wow, there is some emotion in this topic. Too bad sexypoker has had such bad experiences with guys like he is describing, they certainly shouldn't be in this lifestyle. Also, disappointing is his intolerance and generalization about single guys. But is he has really been burnt by single guys like he is stating then I can see why he is pissed off. I think that is a problem sometimes that guys in this lifestyle seem to take the sex for granted, act disrespectful, and approach this as a candy store. Forgetting that the best sexual organ is your brain, and appealing to women with that first. If a woman wants to fulfill a fantasy with multiple men, the husband enjoys just watching the woman be pleased by another man, etc. then let it be. If that isn't for you, let it go. A suggestion, this website has a validation system for members. How about something like a validation system for men. They complete this process then they are validated. The process could include reading about the lifestyle, how to act, what to expect, etc. and then filling out a questionaire that proves they understand this. If they spend the time to do that then that gives those who search them out or are willing to meet them some background on the fact they understand some aspects of this lifestyle. Single guys have done a lot to damage their credibility in the lifestyle, and one can ruin it for many.
Just be respectful and upfront and let the couple or other single decide. If no connection, then move on politely. Thanks.
Just be respectful and upfront and let the couple or other single decide. If no connection, then move on politely. Thanks.
Single guys or girls have their place, like everything else. Lets say that we only party with blond hair blue eyed couples and we pass on dark hair couples with other color eyes. Does that mean that couples with dark hair and eyes that are not blond have no use? No. We just don't like them. Single people? See above. I guess it depends on the type of action you are looking for. Take a "couple" that we met. The girl was in a cheating relationship and he was impotent. All he wanted was to watch the girls go at it and take pictures. If that was what we wanted, he too would have a purpose.
So, with singles, I would say it depends on the place and the people. If the place doesn't allow them, game over. If the place wants them and the couples don't, game over. The only way they can get anything is if the place AND the couple wants them.
While we personally don't have any need or want singles, we realize that some people do. So, for those that do, they serve a purpose. For those that don't, they are a nuisance. What can I do? Well, like everything else, if the club has singles and I don't want them, I'll grumble to management. If they still don't do anything, I'll take my act elsewhere. I think I am smart enough to do that and that applies for pretty much everything else. Worst case scenario, I stick to the boards and contact the couples and block the singles. So, there are alternatives.
Don't they say that "One man's meat is another man's poison."?
So, with singles, I would say it depends on the place and the people. If the place doesn't allow them, game over. If the place wants them and the couples don't, game over. The only way they can get anything is if the place AND the couple wants them.
While we personally don't have any need or want singles, we realize that some people do. So, for those that do, they serve a purpose. For those that don't, they are a nuisance. What can I do? Well, like everything else, if the club has singles and I don't want them, I'll grumble to management. If they still don't do anything, I'll take my act elsewhere. I think I am smart enough to do that and that applies for pretty much everything else. Worst case scenario, I stick to the boards and contact the couples and block the singles. So, there are alternatives.
Don't they say that "One man's meat is another man's poison."?
UTHOT, good points on my last post. Over exposure can kill your chances but your words can do more harm. We don`t mind seeing the same people post but a lot of it is joking back and forth and that is fine. When someone has an opinion about everything, you can tell more of what they are really like from their posts. This may scare us off or draw our attention to them. Many of these seems like pissing contests so we ignore them but are guilty of getting sucked in once in a while.
As far as single guys not swinging but just trying to get laid since they are more of dating then anything.....well you came close to saying what are they bringing for me and then your hate mail would have started. I don`t agree with the comments about they can fix your car or house and then fuck your wife. I mean what would the addition my wife wants cost us, three orals, two vaginal and an anal in a pear tree. If we have friends and one is a single male and he is a genuine friend then we would include him once in a while if the Mrs. likes him.
I don`t know how my posts are taken by others but we try to say it like it is. We are open minded and don`t mind being corrected every now and then. This is how we grow as a person. We are not perfect and will never proclaim ourselves to be.
As far as single guys not swinging but just trying to get laid since they are more of dating then anything.....well you came close to saying what are they bringing for me and then your hate mail would have started. I don`t agree with the comments about they can fix your car or house and then fuck your wife. I mean what would the addition my wife wants cost us, three orals, two vaginal and an anal in a pear tree. If we have friends and one is a single male and he is a genuine friend then we would include him once in a while if the Mrs. likes him.
I don`t know how my posts are taken by others but we try to say it like it is. We are open minded and don`t mind being corrected every now and then. This is how we grow as a person. We are not perfect and will never proclaim ourselves to be.
Hi, how is everyone today. LOL. Single Men are a touchy subject, obviously. I have been in the lifestyle for awhile now, but mostly as a couple. When I was part of a couple we did'nt block single guys and even "partied" with a few. We had one bad experience, he was the oft mentioned "stalker". Other then that we had some very good experiences. One piece of advise; we talked/chatted w/ and interviewed (kinda) the single guys much more extensively then couples, except for the "stalker". As a single male on this site Im looking for the more sexually enlightened people in the world. Mr Sexy Poker, I agree totally that I have had much better luck getting laid on non swinger sites and out at the bars. And maybe you view this lifestyle as just getting laid, but to me its an experience. Thanks Steve
IRONHORSE360, It's been awhile since this was rehashed, so I will oblige. For us, another man can be had in a couple. The same is true of another female. We do not look for singles of either sex. For what we are looking for in the lifestyle, singles fall short in that they do not bring with them someone for the other person to play with. Anything a single man/woman can do, a married one can do. So, we choose not to even bother with playing with singles. However, we can befriend and party with anyone.
BLINDLOVE, I disagree in that singles can be swingers. swinging is not a "couple" only thing. Swinger or Libertine means that you are not bound by moral restraint when you engage in sex. In other words, you don't need to honor the "holy matrimonial sanctity" of a married couple, whether you are in the married couple or wishing to engage in sex with them. So I still contend that a swinger can not be pigeon holed as a swapping couple only.
REALSEX4U, Kudos to Tony Robbins Eh? LOL!
-D-
BLINDLOVE, I disagree in that singles can be swingers. swinging is not a "couple" only thing. Swinger or Libertine means that you are not bound by moral restraint when you engage in sex. In other words, you don't need to honor the "holy matrimonial sanctity" of a married couple, whether you are in the married couple or wishing to engage in sex with them. So I still contend that a swinger can not be pigeon holed as a swapping couple only.
REALSEX4U, Kudos to Tony Robbins Eh? LOL!
-D-
Let me get the disclaimer in first,We have and still do play with singles.But if we are out some where and a single guy waits for me to go get drinks and then hits on my wife it is a definate NO at that point,no second chances.We have even had one that must have thought it was his wife as he wanted me to stay away.Never saw him again nor did he get a chance to finish.To say a married guy is selfish because he wants a swap is unfair and even more childish.It's like going to the pot luck and never taking a dish to share.How many single guys will share their wife if and when they find one?Why would any single guy think that a husband should just sit and watch while he does what he wants to the wife?Oh well enough for now
Peace,Love,Happiness to all
Peace,Love,Happiness to all
WOW!! I go to work and I get all kinds of replies! Thanks to ALL!!!
I'm not here to change anyones way of thinking!
I'm not here to tell anyone they need to change!
I'm not here for a pissing contest, and have done my best with this thread to avoid pissing on anyones toes!
Hwy I always enjoy your input, you are straight up and blunt I like that.
Sexy LMAO I'd enjoy seeing you in action at a swingers club...
UTHOT Sorry, I havent been sleeping well, and I get bored...
Lets all have fun in whatever it is you do...
I'm not here to change anyones way of thinking!
I'm not here to tell anyone they need to change!
I'm not here for a pissing contest, and have done my best with this thread to avoid pissing on anyones toes!
Hwy I always enjoy your input, you are straight up and blunt I like that.
Sexy LMAO I'd enjoy seeing you in action at a swingers club...
UTHOT Sorry, I havent been sleeping well, and I get bored...
Lets all have fun in whatever it is you do...
Wow! It's like reading War & Peace in here! Who knew the same thing could be said in so many of the same ways!
Utahcpl, Usually you have given us such pearls of wisdom. I must say I am a bit disappointed in the brief nature of your response, LOL.
I always seem to bring up the dead topics because I don't forum check every day, just when I can't sleep...
I get asked a lot where single men fit in swinging, since we openly invite them into our play time and I loved TequilaRose's response. Thank you for putting the perfect words down for me. And I quote so all can read them again, as I find them truly important to understand:
"...singles can be swingers. swinging is not a "couple" only thing. Swinger or Libertine means that you are not bound by moral restraint when you engage in sex. In other words, you don't need to honor the "holy matrimonial sanctity" of a married couple, whether you are in the married couple or wishing to engage in sex with them. So I still contend that a swinger can not be pigeon holed as a swapping couple only. "
Swapping is partner exchange, swinging is open minded people be they male, female, straight, gay, or bi, married or single.
The original poster wanted to know good advice for the single male to be picked out of the see of choices, and here are my criteria, which btw are things I say long before I arrange to sleep with them.
1. Never approach me (in person or email) and just say "wanna fuck" It's never funny, and always gets you a no thanks. If you like my profile, say something, don't just "someone likes you" It makes you look like a picture hunter and I'll delete it without even looking at you.
2. Listen to and adhear to my personal 'rules' which are:
you are not my new best friend. I don't want daily text messages or phone calls. If I was looking for phone sex, I'd call my hubby at work. I prefer the 'you free thursday at 11am?' messages. If we pick a time, stick to it. You only get one chance. You stand me up, you're history.
Hubby will always know where I am and with who and will hear all the kinky details. Nothing is secret or behind his back.
Hotels are on your dime, not mine. If you don't have a suitable bachelor pad for our afternoon delights, I'm gonna think you're married and lied to me
Afternoons I might be able to fit you in, nights and weekends I spend with hubby. When looking to play alone with a single guy, I will never pick time with you over time I could be with him. Don't even ask.
3. NO CHEATERS, ever. If I find out you're married and lied to me, I warn you up front, I will be the girl that calls her up and tells her. Might even have pics to prove it.... watch out, I bite.
4. Stick to the girls/couples rules, it's respectful, and everyones are going to be different.
The above mentioned almost sound mean, but it's just upfront. The men I've met are more than happy to adhere to my rules of conduct. I have had only good experiences from the single men I've met on this site. Not all ended up regulars, but no experience was 'negative'. The only really bad swing experience we had was when we first started swinging over 8 years ago, and it was with the male half of a couple. Didn't scare us away from other couples, we just learned from it and moved on.
The bashing is stupid and as soon as someone opens their mouth and lashes out at someone else opinions they drop massive IQ points in my book. Too sad.....
Do what makes you happy and ignore the rest. Enjoy "that you are not bound by moral restraint when you engage in sex"
Mrs Curious
I get asked a lot where single men fit in swinging, since we openly invite them into our play time and I loved TequilaRose's response. Thank you for putting the perfect words down for me. And I quote so all can read them again, as I find them truly important to understand:
"...singles can be swingers. swinging is not a "couple" only thing. Swinger or Libertine means that you are not bound by moral restraint when you engage in sex. In other words, you don't need to honor the "holy matrimonial sanctity" of a married couple, whether you are in the married couple or wishing to engage in sex with them. So I still contend that a swinger can not be pigeon holed as a swapping couple only. "
Swapping is partner exchange, swinging is open minded people be they male, female, straight, gay, or bi, married or single.
The original poster wanted to know good advice for the single male to be picked out of the see of choices, and here are my criteria, which btw are things I say long before I arrange to sleep with them.
1. Never approach me (in person or email) and just say "wanna fuck" It's never funny, and always gets you a no thanks. If you like my profile, say something, don't just "someone likes you" It makes you look like a picture hunter and I'll delete it without even looking at you.
2. Listen to and adhear to my personal 'rules' which are:
you are not my new best friend. I don't want daily text messages or phone calls. If I was looking for phone sex, I'd call my hubby at work. I prefer the 'you free thursday at 11am?' messages. If we pick a time, stick to it. You only get one chance. You stand me up, you're history.
Hubby will always know where I am and with who and will hear all the kinky details. Nothing is secret or behind his back.
Hotels are on your dime, not mine. If you don't have a suitable bachelor pad for our afternoon delights, I'm gonna think you're married and lied to me
Afternoons I might be able to fit you in, nights and weekends I spend with hubby. When looking to play alone with a single guy, I will never pick time with you over time I could be with him. Don't even ask.
3. NO CHEATERS, ever. If I find out you're married and lied to me, I warn you up front, I will be the girl that calls her up and tells her. Might even have pics to prove it.... watch out, I bite.
4. Stick to the girls/couples rules, it's respectful, and everyones are going to be different.
The above mentioned almost sound mean, but it's just upfront. The men I've met are more than happy to adhere to my rules of conduct. I have had only good experiences from the single men I've met on this site. Not all ended up regulars, but no experience was 'negative'. The only really bad swing experience we had was when we first started swinging over 8 years ago, and it was with the male half of a couple. Didn't scare us away from other couples, we just learned from it and moved on.
The bashing is stupid and as soon as someone opens their mouth and lashes out at someone else opinions they drop massive IQ points in my book. Too sad.....
Do what makes you happy and ignore the rest. Enjoy "that you are not bound by moral restraint when you engage in sex"
Mrs Curious
To get with it, we need to be honest with ourselves. We all do this to avoid that or to get that. IOW, there is no free lunch. Don't think it is about some single stud stealing my wife so I won't invite him to join us. I think it is about what we enjoy. If I happen to enjoy watching my wife get screwed by some guy and later joining in for seconds or just watching and taking pics, sure, the single guy is useful. However, most men also want to get some. While women CAN take multiple guys at a time, most men cannot do woman after woman after woman without a break of some sort. As such, maybe it is that single men are seen to be takers without bringing something to the table. Also, when they are taking, the guys who are ready are standing idle. Since most men are not bi, the single guy doesn't provide much.
Lets say I go hunting during the 9 day gun deer season. Can I leave the wife alone for that long? Sure. However, if me and the boys went to a camp for the long bow season, I think she'd have a different attitude about it. Is the wife against me enjoying myself? Of course not. However, after a while of doing work I should be doing while I am enjoying myself, it gets old. So, similarly with single guys, just standing around while he gets it on with the wife and brings nothing to the mix will get old. Also, how good will the wife feel if most of the time, she is getting all the action while the husband is left out? Maybe once or twice but after that, it will get old.
We are all human. We do things because we have some way of getting gratification. Sure, I want to let the wife have a good time. However, if all the time she is having a good time, I am idling around, can anyone admit it won't get old? After a while of that, I would be asking myself why I don't just drop her off at the club and go play poker with the guys.
Just wondering if that is why single guys are not really wanted at many clubs.
Lets say I go hunting during the 9 day gun deer season. Can I leave the wife alone for that long? Sure. However, if me and the boys went to a camp for the long bow season, I think she'd have a different attitude about it. Is the wife against me enjoying myself? Of course not. However, after a while of doing work I should be doing while I am enjoying myself, it gets old. So, similarly with single guys, just standing around while he gets it on with the wife and brings nothing to the mix will get old. Also, how good will the wife feel if most of the time, she is getting all the action while the husband is left out? Maybe once or twice but after that, it will get old.
We are all human. We do things because we have some way of getting gratification. Sure, I want to let the wife have a good time. However, if all the time she is having a good time, I am idling around, can anyone admit it won't get old? After a while of that, I would be asking myself why I don't just drop her off at the club and go play poker with the guys.
Just wondering if that is why single guys are not really wanted at many clubs.
Zepie, If you enjoy long responses maybe you should write one. Don't knock us because we don't have endless time on our hands to write novels on the boards.
Is it just in the WI-IL area or further out where pretty much every club we know of is Couples only and maybe some single females? Also, I heard that some club got sued for sexual discrimination when they allowed single females. Any truth to that?
Well for my two cents....lol. I am just a single male that is looking for some fun and honest people. I have meet a few on here and I think it is great. I do not go to swinger parties just for the fact of the few that have blown it for us in the past, present and future. If a couple says "NO" to me, I am gone no heart feelings but there are some couples out there that the "MAN" wants to doubly please his better half. It is only fair for the female half of the couple, if she wants it. So if single males are going to banished then it is only fair that single woman also get banished. "And thats all I have to say about that"....lol
Utcpl, I'm not knocking anything, or anyone. We have played with both single males and couples. We haven't had any bad experiences with single males, they have all been great for all three parties. I haven't come across the predator that has been mentioned. We hope that any future experieces won't shy us away from inviting one to join us!
Mr. Z
Mr. Z
Maybe someone needs to address the question of what a single male brings to the table that a couple cannot.
What can a single male bring to the table that a couple can't? How about if the wife is straight and not into women, she gets 100% of the attention from two men. Nobody is left on the sidelines. Most men fantasize about having two women, why can't a woman want 2 men?
Funcouple is right on the money. A single man brings himself to the party. Not only is it my fantasy that gets pleased when I get more than one man to pamper and play with me, my hubby gets off on watching and listening to me be pampered and pleased in a way he can't do alone... he only has one cock ya know, and I have two hands, one mouth, one... well, you get the picture
You ask what it is that a couple can't do... I get spoiled rotten.
I could go on and on and on about this, but truthfully I just wish everyone could pay equal respect to eachother. If it's not your cup of tea, then don't order it for your next saturday night but leave it on the menu for those of us who love it for dessert.(or appetizer!) Mrs.Curious,
trying to find the nice kids on the playground...
You ask what it is that a couple can't do... I get spoiled rotten.
I could go on and on and on about this, but truthfully I just wish everyone could pay equal respect to eachother. If it's not your cup of tea, then don't order it for your next saturday night but leave it on the menu for those of us who love it for dessert.(or appetizer!) Mrs.Curious,
trying to find the nice kids on the playground...
Posted By: UTFUNCOUPLE111 Reply posted on:
Dec 13, 2007 - 5:08 pm
What can a single male bring to the table that a couple can't? How about if the wife is straight and not into women, she gets 100% of the attention from two men. Nobody is left on the sidelines. Most men fantasize about having two women, why can't a woman want 2 men?
I don't follow. We have played with couples where 1 person takes a break for whatever reasons so if the girl takes a break, we can still do a 2 on 1. If the guy takes a break, ditto. With a single guy, can he do that? What about a single girl? Both cannot
Dec 13, 2007 - 5:08 pm
What can a single male bring to the table that a couple can't? How about if the wife is straight and not into women, she gets 100% of the attention from two men. Nobody is left on the sidelines. Most men fantasize about having two women, why can't a woman want 2 men?
I don't follow. We have played with couples where 1 person takes a break for whatever reasons so if the girl takes a break, we can still do a 2 on 1. If the guy takes a break, ditto. With a single guy, can he do that? What about a single girl? Both cannot
Resurrecting the dead! Had to do it!
You ask what a single can do to impress us...here ya go!
1. BUY ME A DRINK, if you are going to come up to me in a bar, at a party, where ever...you better buy or bring me a drink. If you are too cheap to buy me a drink fuck off, your wasting my time.
2. DONT TRY YOUR LATEST STUPID LINE ON ME, you will get a lot further being yourself.
3. THAT IS MY HUSBAND AND BEST FRIEND, you need to have a conversation with us, not just me, if you cant face him fuck off.
3 1/2. BUY HIM A DRINK, that will impress him.
4. I am not your squishy toy, KEEP YOUR GOD DAM HANDS TO YOURSELF, unless you have been giving a green light otherwise.
5. I don't want to hear about how shitty your ex is, your job is, landlord whatever, funny guys have a chance, complainers do not. AND "CAN I PUT IT IN YOUR ASS" is a total turn off.
6. IF, by some alignment of the stars, you make it past the meaningless stupid conversation and "judgment" process, THIS IS ABOUT PLEASING ME NOT YOU, if you are a 2 minute man please warn me ahead of time and keep that foreplay coming.
7. BRING YOUR OWN PROTECTION, come the fuck on what the hell do you mean you don't have condoms?, kindly fuck off now.
8. KNOW WHEN TO LEAVE, we don't want to have pillow talk with you.
9. DO NOT STALK ME, if I want to see you again I will let you know.
Side notes include:
Don't ever ask me to cheat with you.
Sex talk is for face to face conversations, please don't try to have chat sex with me, its not fun.
I would rather find out what your package looks like on my own, please don't email a picture of it. And bragging about the size of yours only works on desperate women, married women are NOT desperate for your dick.
~Mrs~
P.S.
To everyone who has said singles are bad.....couples are worse...period.
Couples bring DRAMA.
Its too hard to find couples where everyone likes everyone.
They get attached, and want to be your new best friends, or your boy/girlfriends.
You ask what a single can do to impress us...here ya go!
1. BUY ME A DRINK, if you are going to come up to me in a bar, at a party, where ever...you better buy or bring me a drink. If you are too cheap to buy me a drink fuck off, your wasting my time.
2. DONT TRY YOUR LATEST STUPID LINE ON ME, you will get a lot further being yourself.
3. THAT IS MY HUSBAND AND BEST FRIEND, you need to have a conversation with us, not just me, if you cant face him fuck off.
3 1/2. BUY HIM A DRINK, that will impress him.
4. I am not your squishy toy, KEEP YOUR GOD DAM HANDS TO YOURSELF, unless you have been giving a green light otherwise.
5. I don't want to hear about how shitty your ex is, your job is, landlord whatever, funny guys have a chance, complainers do not. AND "CAN I PUT IT IN YOUR ASS" is a total turn off.
6. IF, by some alignment of the stars, you make it past the meaningless stupid conversation and "judgment" process, THIS IS ABOUT PLEASING ME NOT YOU, if you are a 2 minute man please warn me ahead of time and keep that foreplay coming.
7. BRING YOUR OWN PROTECTION, come the fuck on what the hell do you mean you don't have condoms?, kindly fuck off now.
8. KNOW WHEN TO LEAVE, we don't want to have pillow talk with you.
9. DO NOT STALK ME, if I want to see you again I will let you know.
Side notes include:
Don't ever ask me to cheat with you.
Sex talk is for face to face conversations, please don't try to have chat sex with me, its not fun.
I would rather find out what your package looks like on my own, please don't email a picture of it. And bragging about the size of yours only works on desperate women, married women are NOT desperate for your dick.
~Mrs~
P.S.
To everyone who has said singles are bad.....couples are worse...period.
Couples bring DRAMA.
Its too hard to find couples where everyone likes everyone.
They get attached, and want to be your new best friends, or your boy/girlfriends.
CLASSY,
So I guess groping you, throwing you down, and sliding my condom free dick in your ass is out of the question? Or is that just for singles? LOL
Seriously though, if I were single and just read your post, it would have scared the shit out of me. You just said so many things that are so against the grain of a single guy. I think the over-all theme to your post was being respectful, and being a gentleman. I know those are hard qualities to find these days, but we have met a few.
Gotta tell you though, I love your candor, and your absolute uninhibited means of delivering your message. If a single guy doesn't get what you said, he definitely needs to fuck off! haha.
Good luck single dudes. She's a handful, hopefully when you drop your drawers, you'll be a handful too or she might just send your ass packin.. Oops, now I'm speaking for her. Better quit.
Hope to bump into you two again someday, never got a chance to really talk and ummm, well after we buy you BOTH drinks and charm the shit out of you, maybe we can play strip twister or something.
So I guess groping you, throwing you down, and sliding my condom free dick in your ass is out of the question? Or is that just for singles? LOL
Seriously though, if I were single and just read your post, it would have scared the shit out of me. You just said so many things that are so against the grain of a single guy. I think the over-all theme to your post was being respectful, and being a gentleman. I know those are hard qualities to find these days, but we have met a few.
Gotta tell you though, I love your candor, and your absolute uninhibited means of delivering your message. If a single guy doesn't get what you said, he definitely needs to fuck off! haha.
Good luck single dudes. She's a handful, hopefully when you drop your drawers, you'll be a handful too or she might just send your ass packin.. Oops, now I'm speaking for her. Better quit.
Hope to bump into you two again someday, never got a chance to really talk and ummm, well after we buy you BOTH drinks and charm the shit out of you, maybe we can play strip twister or something.
AKLIM...In response to your question: WHat can a single bring to the table that a couple cannot?
1.) TOTAL attention...When you have a couple, he or she will always be aware of their spouse or spousal equivalent...Thus NOT giving 100% of their attention.
2.) NO ONE has to sit out...Earlier you stated that you would not want to watch someone do your wife, as it would bore you. Do you watch porn? Ahhhh...Live porn...What could be better? If someone in a couple takes a break to get a drink, have a smoke, go to the restroom...whatever they do on their break, they come back and watch 2 people with someone, don't you think they would be just as bored as you are? Don't you think you or your wife are worthy of more attention from a triad situation than a few minutes while someone takes a break?
3.) (Directed at Mr. AKLIM) Are you telling me if a single woman wrote you, you would not want to meet? Come on...EVERY man in America would like 2 women at the same time...it is the most common fantasy!
4.) What's wrong with Mr or Mrs. having a little fun on the side while someone IS out of town? NOTHING...
Not to say you should adhere to our rules or anything...Just making a statement that answers your question...
NOW...On to another thing...IN OUR EXPERIENCE ONLY!!!!!!!!
Single males are indeed unreliable...so much so that on another site, we actually put on our profile the names of those who do not show or call to cancel a meeting! But then again...We have had more "meetings" with single males...BUT MANY couples do the same...We feel that there are FAR to many "fantasy swingers" in the lifestyle...In other words, those who THINK it would be cool, but when it came to "shit or get off the pot" they won't...thus they do not show...Another posibility is the old fashioned, "I can get my wife to go to this meeting, then I can convince her to swing!" action...NO single man will pull that one...And how many of us have NOT experienced that one? I am almost willing to bet that those who have the "The ladies talk on the phone" rule HAVE experienced it, and want to avoid it in the future...Now...I see a TON of people saying single men are "gropers" and hangers oners and other things...OUR experience is just the opposite...THE MARRIED men are doing that...SO many times we have seen single men yelled at for WALKING by a couple...NO, NOT talking, touching, rubbing, making tongue actions at the lady, no winking, NOTHING but walking by...YET, a man who has a lady by his side can come over and stick his hand in her skirt or down her blouse...and that is cool...Why? Because he is married or something? Makes no sense to us...ANYONE does something like that unapproved and they should be tossed, but because SO many people have HEARD of bad experiences with single men...NOT actually experienced them themselves, they assume it is the way it is. How many profiles have you seen where someone says we are newbies, then says NO SINGLE MEN like 15 times? Where did they get that? They have not met anyone, they have not been to a club, they are new...Probably from someone else's profile...THEN there are those who say< "Searching for: Single Men, Single Women, Couples" but later in the profile, the last sentence is "No single men" or something like that...You have MANY people in the forums saying they only play with couples, but their profile says differently...And then they want to come in her and bitch that a single man wrote them! WTF??? The single men are DOING what you say...and still get bitched at....
Let this post die....To the single men...Welcome to the whipping post...Enjoy...
1.) TOTAL attention...When you have a couple, he or she will always be aware of their spouse or spousal equivalent...Thus NOT giving 100% of their attention.
2.) NO ONE has to sit out...Earlier you stated that you would not want to watch someone do your wife, as it would bore you. Do you watch porn? Ahhhh...Live porn...What could be better? If someone in a couple takes a break to get a drink, have a smoke, go to the restroom...whatever they do on their break, they come back and watch 2 people with someone, don't you think they would be just as bored as you are? Don't you think you or your wife are worthy of more attention from a triad situation than a few minutes while someone takes a break?
3.) (Directed at Mr. AKLIM) Are you telling me if a single woman wrote you, you would not want to meet? Come on...EVERY man in America would like 2 women at the same time...it is the most common fantasy!
4.) What's wrong with Mr or Mrs. having a little fun on the side while someone IS out of town? NOTHING...
Not to say you should adhere to our rules or anything...Just making a statement that answers your question...
NOW...On to another thing...IN OUR EXPERIENCE ONLY!!!!!!!!
Single males are indeed unreliable...so much so that on another site, we actually put on our profile the names of those who do not show or call to cancel a meeting! But then again...We have had more "meetings" with single males...BUT MANY couples do the same...We feel that there are FAR to many "fantasy swingers" in the lifestyle...In other words, those who THINK it would be cool, but when it came to "shit or get off the pot" they won't...thus they do not show...Another posibility is the old fashioned, "I can get my wife to go to this meeting, then I can convince her to swing!" action...NO single man will pull that one...And how many of us have NOT experienced that one? I am almost willing to bet that those who have the "The ladies talk on the phone" rule HAVE experienced it, and want to avoid it in the future...Now...I see a TON of people saying single men are "gropers" and hangers oners and other things...OUR experience is just the opposite...THE MARRIED men are doing that...SO many times we have seen single men yelled at for WALKING by a couple...NO, NOT talking, touching, rubbing, making tongue actions at the lady, no winking, NOTHING but walking by...YET, a man who has a lady by his side can come over and stick his hand in her skirt or down her blouse...and that is cool...Why? Because he is married or something? Makes no sense to us...ANYONE does something like that unapproved and they should be tossed, but because SO many people have HEARD of bad experiences with single men...NOT actually experienced them themselves, they assume it is the way it is. How many profiles have you seen where someone says we are newbies, then says NO SINGLE MEN like 15 times? Where did they get that? They have not met anyone, they have not been to a club, they are new...Probably from someone else's profile...THEN there are those who say< "Searching for: Single Men, Single Women, Couples" but later in the profile, the last sentence is "No single men" or something like that...You have MANY people in the forums saying they only play with couples, but their profile says differently...And then they want to come in her and bitch that a single man wrote them! WTF??? The single men are DOING what you say...and still get bitched at....
Let this post die....To the single men...Welcome to the whipping post...Enjoy...
It does say on our profile "No Single Men". Yet they seem to find us. On AFF, for instance, we tend to get paged every so often by single men. Emails, etc, etc.
Figured this would be one of those poor me single guy looking to get attention threads.
Well, I seem destined to add my 2 cents on this subject. I have been a single male for the past 15 years. I was a swinger when i was married and I am one now. I have encountered a lot of negativity on other sights from couples. I do however believe everyone has preferences and they have the right to exercise them.
I personally treat everyone i meet or chat with as I would like to be treated. It does not bother me in the slightest if someone tells me no thank you I am not interested in you. I entered this lifestyle because I enjoy bringing pleasure.
Playing with an other mans wife is a privalige and an honor. What greater gift is there, than to share your most precious jewel, ie wife. with someone else.
I know there are so many single men out there that over step their bounds and make couple's cringe at the thought of playing with one. But there are some of us that really do enjoy the company of like minded people and respectfully wait to be invited for more than a drink.
I am looking forward to attending a meet n greet in Utah soon. Because i know that i will meet a few good friends from it and perhaps be invited for play.
But always remember to be kind and loving top those you encounter. It comes back to you!
Don AKA Hotluv44
I personally treat everyone i meet or chat with as I would like to be treated. It does not bother me in the slightest if someone tells me no thank you I am not interested in you. I entered this lifestyle because I enjoy bringing pleasure.
Playing with an other mans wife is a privalige and an honor. What greater gift is there, than to share your most precious jewel, ie wife. with someone else.
I know there are so many single men out there that over step their bounds and make couple's cringe at the thought of playing with one. But there are some of us that really do enjoy the company of like minded people and respectfully wait to be invited for more than a drink.
I am looking forward to attending a meet n greet in Utah soon. Because i know that i will meet a few good friends from it and perhaps be invited for play.
But always remember to be kind and loving top those you encounter. It comes back to you!
Don AKA Hotluv44
I don't mind if single guys hit up others as long as they respect the rules. If a couple is looking for a single female, we wouldn't go ask them "Would you be interested in a single female but her male companion is coming along?" I'm fine with singles asking couples who list in their profile that they are looking for singles.