You meet a couple and there is super hot steamy chemistry between the females. That chemistry that on the first meet and greet you can't help but flirt and take every advantage to touch her under the table. Feel her tremble as you touch, see her lick her lips as she stares you with this look of just take me....Let's go in the bathroom and do with me as you please but there is one thing screwing them to get together...
THE HUSBANDS...the attraction is solely a fem attraction, you don
THE HUSBANDS...the attraction is solely a fem attraction, you don
We tend to allow who wants to play to play, BUT those who do not want to play get to watch, photograph, etc...
Works for us...We realize that not everyone is for everyone, and we also realize that you won't have to sit out all the time...but it sure beats taking one for the team...
Works for us...We realize that not everyone is for everyone, and we also realize that you won't have to sit out all the time...but it sure beats taking one for the team...
I think everyone involved should be having fun, whether that be taking pictures/watching OR participating, As long as everyone is comfortable. Guess we've been blessed, this has only happened to us once (where all 4 weren't down)...and it really wasn't a 'looks' thing, more performance on the other guy's part (which happens sometimes)
Well thank you guys for your input...I guess am going to talk to them and tell them...if it hapens it hapens if not ...oh well
If the ladies happen not to be attracted to to other one's husband, tell them you can play but only female-female. Even though you guys like to play full swap, soft swap can be a good alternative if you aren't attracted to the male half. Just my two cents worth on the situation...lol
We have one rule and that is when we meet a couple no matter how hot one or the other is there is no playing until we are both comfortable with each of them. She has meet some ladies that she would love to have but her husband was a bit standoffish. We didnt go home home with them that night but we did set up another date and it all seemed to work out well and to this day we are friends still. It just has to work for us both or niether one of us gets the spoils. Just our rule
Dave and Jackie
Dave and Jackie
thanks
We follow the K.i.S.S. principle: Keep Swinging Simple.
Siren and I have had that situation several times, and have found that it works best if simply continue on elsewhere. We both have been in the situation where we're the odd ones out, and it is something we don't care or wish upon others. All four have to have chemistry or nothing happens.
We're here to have fun, eliminate drama and most certainly don't want things to get so out of hand that someone gets their feelings hurt, so we just nix it before it gets too far.
Does it limit the potential play factor? Hell yes, but we've always been into quality over quantity.
~J~
Siren and I have had that situation several times, and have found that it works best if simply continue on elsewhere. We both have been in the situation where we're the odd ones out, and it is something we don't care or wish upon others. All four have to have chemistry or nothing happens.
We're here to have fun, eliminate drama and most certainly don't want things to get so out of hand that someone gets their feelings hurt, so we just nix it before it gets too far.
Does it limit the potential play factor? Hell yes, but we've always been into quality over quantity.
~J~
We would agree with thoughtgarden. If it is not mutual no reason to continue sometimes. Personality just do not mix. We will never take one for the team. Been there done that.
If 4 are not attracted then no play.
we agree with thoughtgarden
for us it is one for all and all for one so if one person does not want to then if not going to happen. We tell people all must agree.
We also agree, we have done the "takeing one for the team" thing, and to put it bluntly, it sucks. We have also done the 2 men watching the 2 girls, fun for the girls, but what do the guys do? sit next to each other and whack-off? We say that all 4 came to play, if that can't happen, have a few drinks, a nice conversation, and part ways, leave the sex for another day
Our thoughts on this is deffinitely not to go any further than a friendship if there is not mutual attraction amoung all involved. This is a huge reason why we dont venture as a couple to house parties or large swing gatherings. We have visited a few parties only to find exactly what your all talking about. There seemed to be so many there that were "taking one for the home team"...This type thinking can be destructive and degrading to some were sure. SO, the best rule of thumb would be to follow the majority rule here and just back away and search again...
Damn Thought...you keep saying my words before I can open my mouth!
Mrs. K_T is in this 70% for the female interaction (the sex, I mean). With her being a true bisexual, we do run across this from time to time. I follow her lead. I am more than willing to have her play with a woman without me being physically involved. But it's an agreement we have. No taking one for the team and no silence on the matter.
We must agree. If we don't - no play. That simple.
-K_T
Mrs. K_T is in this 70% for the female interaction (the sex, I mean). With her being a true bisexual, we do run across this from time to time. I follow her lead. I am more than willing to have her play with a woman without me being physically involved. But it's an agreement we have. No taking one for the team and no silence on the matter.
We must agree. If we don't - no play. That simple.
-K_T
Taking one for the team is a good idea. However, what happens is that the wife took one for me and is discontented or vice versa. Well, if she is not happy, I'm not happy either. So why bother?
The Odds Are Against Ye
We agree that a couple swap is only good if all 4 are interested. Leaving out the GG thing we need mutual attractions between opposite spouses (or bf gf). If the probability of the average person being at least somewhat interested in an average person of opposite gender is 50% then for 2 couples to get lucky we must have:
F1 -> M2 p = .5
F1 <- M2 p = .5
F2 -> M1 p = .5
F2 <- M1 p = .5
So the joint probability of all being compatible = .5 ^ 4 = 0.0625
Prospects look pretty dim and this helps explain why we stopped even trying to date/hookup with other couples.
After attending hundreds of swing parties we have found only a few couples that we like to swap with 2 on 2. The odds at a party are much better because we can both browse the buffet to find tasty treats and teats and ... If there are 11 couples and the same 50% estimate of random interest then both wife and I can enjoy 5 of the opposite sex.
Wife here also dates other men and there the odds are also quite favorable. Turns out, though, to be much lower than 50%. More than half the time there is no second date with the guy who looked good enough on the Internet. For her it's fuck then friends. We got into swinging because she wanted to watch hubby fucking other women but that hasn't happened much but subject to same probabilities.
Reviewing our fucking history it looks like 50% random probability of mutual attraction is way too high. Remember the difficulty of getting a date with someone you found attractive in the vertical dating scene. Sure wasn't anywhere near 50% for either of us. More like 5%. OK so we're picky. Standard question after a party or date: "You had fun but would you fuck him/her again?" "Hmmm. Probably not."
So we think our future is parties and MFM, FMF encounters with a few double dates with folks we've played with dozens of times at parties and keep going back to and often have developed as more than fuck buddies.
We agree that a couple swap is only good if all 4 are interested. Leaving out the GG thing we need mutual attractions between opposite spouses (or bf gf). If the probability of the average person being at least somewhat interested in an average person of opposite gender is 50% then for 2 couples to get lucky we must have:
F1 -> M2 p = .5
F1 <- M2 p = .5
F2 -> M1 p = .5
F2 <- M1 p = .5
So the joint probability of all being compatible = .5 ^ 4 = 0.0625
Prospects look pretty dim and this helps explain why we stopped even trying to date/hookup with other couples.
After attending hundreds of swing parties we have found only a few couples that we like to swap with 2 on 2. The odds at a party are much better because we can both browse the buffet to find tasty treats and teats and ... If there are 11 couples and the same 50% estimate of random interest then both wife and I can enjoy 5 of the opposite sex.
Wife here also dates other men and there the odds are also quite favorable. Turns out, though, to be much lower than 50%. More than half the time there is no second date with the guy who looked good enough on the Internet. For her it's fuck then friends. We got into swinging because she wanted to watch hubby fucking other women but that hasn't happened much but subject to same probabilities.
Reviewing our fucking history it looks like 50% random probability of mutual attraction is way too high. Remember the difficulty of getting a date with someone you found attractive in the vertical dating scene. Sure wasn't anywhere near 50% for either of us. More like 5%. OK so we're picky. Standard question after a party or date: "You had fun but would you fuck him/her again?" "Hmmm. Probably not."
So we think our future is parties and MFM, FMF encounters with a few double dates with folks we've played with dozens of times at parties and keep going back to and often have developed as more than fuck buddies.
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Wow, that was impressive. Never seen the Six Sigma approach to the odds of couples and swinging working out. That was pretty intense.
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Wow, that was impressive. Never seen the Six Sigma approach to the odds of couples and swinging working out. That was pretty intense.
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-Ken-
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OMG it was just a simple question about me lusting more over the wife and not the hubby....lol